Real joe Biden and fake joe Biden are climbing Mount Everest once real Biden is elected as a democratic prez.

I still didn't get maybe its too complex to understand and only u can get.
For me and I guess most will agree that higher tax means Gov is taking more money. No where it will be opposite. Not sure what kinda calculations would that be.

Did you see the chart in second link?

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-the-inverse-relationship-between-the-top-marginal-income-tax-rate-and-the-tax-burden-on-the-rich/

@keyser did you get the links I posted above? They are not exactly what I was looking for but close enough. Percentage of tax burden shared by rich vs tax rate as shown in the chart from link above gives reasonable evidence I think.
Of course there will not be proven fact on most arguments. I personally believe that there is sweet spot in the middle but if I have to chose one or other than I will chose very low tax rate that Trump is proposing instead of Democrats who are for very high rate. As you see, higher the rate goes lower their share of burden.
Also, very low tax with high spending is itself a form of tax (regressive tax) as government will try to outgrow the debt by creating inflation. Rich will invest in equities and other assets which protects them and its poor who will have less accessibility to housing and other basic needs. But again, this is one of the sad reality. I hope Democrats will stop pandering to ultra left in next cycle and be there as a viable alternative. Biden personally is not a bad choice but as I have been saying he is too weak (mentally, physically, and politically) and will leave white house to either Kamala or Susan. He will cave in to Squad team. I hope Democrats get more to center and become an alternative with more plans than to try cover all ethnicities with promise of handouts.

No comment on other things but Biden planning to climb Mt Everest (as OP mentioned) sounds hilarious :-)

I thought we were talking about calculations where you found with research that higher tax rate is not higher collection but opposite. But again u don't lose ur chance to drag Dems and Trump in between.

@goddamn @goddamn @goddamn........Don't try to play games with me, I'm not going to fall into your trap of LIES and SPIN...Bro I don't know why you are so much into...race...race..race...

Now, Let me dissect yo CLAIMS, in another word complete BS lies one at a time...

You quoted---------"poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.” isn't this racist? Dividing black agaist white. Doesn't he clearly thinks whites are bright.

Let me complete it...."poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids, wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids".......so this is dividing white against black?...is that how you understand that quote? If thats how you understand that quote..bro you need to take some cognitive test..like you stable genius did. Person, woman, man, camera tv...Lolzzzzz

Another one...your quote
Biden literally warned blacks that Romney will put them in chains. "Unchain Wall Street! They're gonna put y'all back in chains."

Biden literally warned blacks????? Only blacks??? In a crowd of majority white people ??? I didn't hear him say "Excuse me! I'm only talking to African Americans????? And whats wrong in saying putting back in chains of debts and high interest???

He never suggested we belong in gas station, please don't spin it..He with a little tint of humor tells thats our kind of work labor is predominantly occupying that section of economy. Which is absolutely TRUE!

I can go on and on...prove you wrong and wrong...but that will be just a waste of my time..and I don't want to waste my valuable time trying to fix a stupid because you know what?? STUPID can't be FIXED!!!!!
By the way those links you provide trying to prove liberals calling McCain and Romney " A Racist" is a total misleading of truth and therefore FALSE.
Good LUCK with your self bragging super genius!! Good Night!!

Can't you see that after white kids he paused and realized he screwed up and then said wealthy blah blah. Here is the clip so that you can watch slowly and repeat it as many times as you like.

https://youtu.be/O0UhvPuYS3A

Put ya'all back in chains....You think white were in chains before? You forgot slavery when it suits you.

You take that condescending racial remarks easily, they can make fun of immigrants as long as they are Democrats? Is that what it is? If so, most of the Trump claims about mexican bringing drugs, immigrants taking jobs are factually correct.

And DEMOCRATS ARE ALL ABOUT RACE BAITING, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THEIR AGENDA.

And here are some clips on who needs cognitive test.

https://youtu.be/2D4oIQ4gDhs

https://youtu.be/yAHoul4IYMY

https://youtu.be/tDFR8CLG42w

Likewise, I can prove you wrong on literally every claim you make for Biden but you can always go back and read again as there are multiple threads already.
I agree, stupidity can't be fixed. I don't have time to teach your smartass either.

This is why I would vote for Biden: 1) He is not too left, on the other hand, I don’t know where Trump stands but most of the time he is racist and far right. 2) He would be 1 time President and I think both side will grow up and going have decent candidates in 4 years 3) I hope he continues with Obama started by deporting illegal criminals aliens but retains talented young immigrants 3) He is not Trump. If Mr. Trump wins next term, I think Russia and China will take over the world. Mr. Trump talks shit about China but he asks China and Russia’s help to win the election. I believe we would be no more super power in 4 years if Trump wins. This really concerns me because I was olpart of armed forces and what’s the point if US is no more powerful anymore. About COVID 19, I think any one would know until you or some someone close to gets it. I have seen first hand how fked up sh*t is that. No need to shout out at each other, we can have a civil discussion here. Pardon my typo and grammar as I am typing from my small arse phone.

Best Healthcare plan:
https://vm.tiktok.com/Jjn3cKJ/

Joe Biden Lying his College Degree
https://twitter.com/racysicilian/status/1250122558151766017?s=21

WASHINGTON — Joseph R. Biden Jr. acknowledged on Wednesday that he would not appear in Milwaukee to accept the presidential nomination he has sought on and off since the 1980s, bowing to the realities of a pandemic that has altered every aspect of life in 2020, including the November contest.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/us/politics/joe-biden-milwaukee.amp.html

Hiding Biden!

Ain’t gonna argue about Biden, but if you compare him with against Trump, he is a saint. Mr. Biden can change with times unlike Mr. Trump who is stuck in his past.

Even if Sakti Kapoor runs for president against Trump, I would vote for him. At this time people will vote anyone but Trump.

True, that a lot of people might not vote for Trump but there are a lot of folks ( especially rural white folks) who say he is a god for them because whites could be minorities in few decades and he is their only chance.

@Goddamn...Look! I don't want to go into this race thing..But since you are jumping into Race..race...race...from day one, which I wonder why..
Look! I ain't denying if he's a racist or not, if you want to make hypothesis because he misspoke or paused or slipped somewhere, thats fine you can form your opinion in anyway you want , meanwhile what we also can't deny is the fact that you candidate Mr. dumbTrump is not an angel either.
Lets talk about your Guy too..shall we??? Or you don't want to talk about how Racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, nationalistic, misogynistic, Islamophobic , antisemitic he is??? There are archives and archives of videos, statements and policies. If I start posting here, this whole Sajha's page probably will be flooded. So????How do you defend your guy?? Oh! he's being himself!! huh??? thats not what he means!!! ??? thats out of the context!!! ??? Media twisted, fake news!!! ??? He's not being politically correct!!!! ???? He tells it as it is!!! ???? He's being honest!!....???? C'mmon!!
If you don't like Biden because you think he's a racist, You should hate your Stable Genius, because Trump's the Grand Wizard of that 'R' thing you are accusing Biden of being. Period!!
And both of us should be ASHAMED talking about Race and accusing decent white and black Americans of being racist here in this country when we know how prejudiced we have been to each other back where we've come from where prejudice, sexism and xenophobia is worshiped.
So!! lets not talk about RACE....lets talk about policies. The POLICIES that really affect people's lives. I want more Nepalese immigrate to USA, get better future here, earn a house and business here. Don't YOU???? You are not the kind of Nepali who envys other Nepalis progress? Are you?? I got my GC/citizen, now who cares, kind of??? Don't you feel like you have an obligation to these american people who shouldn't have been dead. Don't you feel Geez more that 200,000 death is a horrible number. If this number were just 30,000 we could have save so many people from dying???One of the most advanced country in health and science is suffering terribly. This should'nt have been the result if some real genius were elected??? Dont you want to see another Paris Deal, every country agree to reduce Carbon emission level? Dont you want our next generations in another hundred years run Green energy powered vehicles??? Or you just want this dumbfk conservatism, stick to what it is? Don't want progress! Slow or reverse the progress! Lets go to church and temple, pray to god and everything else will be all right. Science is hoax!! Is that what you want????

Funny thing is I gree with most of what you said.
We as Nepali are not in position to talk race as we have many issues in our own society with caste and race too. I even agree that Trump is more gravitated toward white voters and is much less inclusive than Biden. Trump often even used racial comments to energize his base. I give you this, as you said noone is a saint but Biden does cover a lot of different races.
I even agree with you on climate change. We need to save planet, but what I do not agree with is how to do it. I am fully for preserving environment while being competitive in world market. Here I see two alternatives one is green new deal which will be a huge burden and other is Trumps cowboy style. I supported trump because of two reasons 1) we have so many technical advancements and public awareness these days even companies will follow more green approaches for cost and publicity. This will make American industries much cleaner anyway. 2) Its disadvantageous to stay in an agreement which cannot enforced. For example China will commit for reduction which in the first place cannot be verified and second it can easily bypasss rules and stay ahead of competition in market. Just like it is doing with coal, it is shipping all to Pakistan and still reaping benefits financially and security in energy etc. I mostly agree with you on this but I think we can live with 4 years of Trump on this, and if we see any negative impacts it can be undone easily by next president.
Corona, its a whole different argument. Its not only Trump's fault, American by nature are arrogant (you know my body my choice, freedom not to wear mask etc) and people here were not prepared mentally for this kind of disease. Combine this with obesity rate, diabetes etc and we have a recipe for disaster. Everytime I go costco or drive somewhere I see a lot of families with kids asking for money. They have no money and nothing to eat. If we compare the numbers, my personal belief is that it will be much more. Also, same with mask. I don't think it was correct for him to issue a compulsory mask requirement all over the country. Just imagine I am outside walking alone keeping 6 ft distance around my house, police can give me ticket or arrest me for not wearing face coverings. Do I want that? No. Now imagine that on a place somewhere in west Texas where there has no Corona virus at all. And police will try to get you for every little thing. Its business for them. I don't mind for a weeks or even couple months but for how long? Other than that I think he did okay job. Trump didn't care about what anyone would say and just banned people coming from China, I think you need a leader at top who only look for their interest first without appeasing others. There have been many thigs that went wrong but I highly doubt Biden would make anything better.

About wanting to see more Nepali immigrate to US. Ofcourse i want that but in long term I think Biden's policy will not achieve that. Most of us flew here, and democratic policy favors people from south and illegals. There will be more illegal immigration if Biden takes over which will create more anti immigration American. This is even true with second generation latino Americans. So I do not support Biden for this reason.

I support Trump because of only one issue, that is economy and keeping America a superpower. There will be next time to argue about social issues but this is the chance when president is willing to defy norms to bring in the industries and help economy. We disagree on this and would love to see how I am wrong on this. My opinion are opinions not facts but based on personal experience, I worked for OEM company and had direct knowledge production planning for more than 10 out of fortune 500 companies. And as soon as Trump announced tarriffs they were all scrambling to find a way to create a supply chain and bring production to Mexico or US. We shifted some of our production from China factory to Mexico factory easily. I felt that it was doable, its just easier in china. Manufacturing went to china because of cost is a myth, man-hours is a small fraction of the cost, where china excel is regulations and material sourcing. I do not mind corporations having to spend more money and work hard in bringing jobs back. Also samething with trade, US has been subsidizing for long time. It was overdue, and Trump is willing to be the bad guy. I think why not, let him be. If it doesn't work out, we can always vote new guy next time
and renegotiate with Europe /allies.

And one thing I took most offense to is how people say who vote Trump are racist, stupid, does not have heart, wanna be Ameican etc. There is no reason to attack them, I personally will vote for Biden if I find argument that supports Biden will be better for stronger America.

And second thing I had problem with is the mentality of people (this may not be true to you). China is our next door neighbor, and if they prosper we Nepali will also benefit. It doesn't matter if China steals technology because my folks are getting better deals back home etc. People even brought belt and road initiative to argue for Biden. This is unethical argument, you want to support a candidate in US election because its better for Nepal. It might be but I find this highly immoral and cannot support it at any cost.

Third thing I took offense is that ( this also may not be true to you), we as Nepali should be tied to Democrats because they are the ones who made possible for us to come here. This is like forming a master and slave relationship, its like they own you. I feel this is taking away people's right to make opinions by shaming them into a fixed position. I want each Nepali be able to make opinion freely without threat of public shame. This is the reason I have been more vocal about supporting Trump. I have felt we are creating vedas and thinking for all individuals as a group.

I think I have made my point, I feel like i disagree with you on economy and immigration for Nepali communities but again this will evolve as I see more arguements. For now we can agree to disagree.
This is my last comment on this thread, it has taken too much of my time. Cheers and have a good weekend.

Ya but dudes got a catalog of criminals activities, CRUELTIES, COLLUSIONS, CORRUPTIONS, AND CRIMES

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-796#2017

Thats says about beyond master and slaves.

"Corona, its a whole different argument. Its not only Trump's fault"
Yeah, He has said "he is not responsible on this matter", is that you are referring too?

IT is Damn his fault on undermining CoronaVirus and not taking corrective action as Health Expert had and have been suggested. His denial on mask is his another fault on spreading it. When you are blinded , you may not see it.

Over 1000 people dying , this moron is saying " "is what it is".

He paid billions to stock Hydoxocloroquine and made rich to pharma. Now pushing pharmaceuticals to develop vaccine and I am afraid FDA may rush to approve. He wants it to be in market forebear November 3rd so it will help to re-Elect.
He does not see the co-relation between test and isolating those who has positive will help to lower spreading it. You can not teach old Dogs new Tricks once his head starts rejecting every one other than Fox news people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djf9H1k5pg8

You found Biden's response on cognitive was offensive but all Mexicans are rapist was acceptable?

Florida is okay for mail in Vote why against Arizona? What is the motive, two state with different rules, because if mail in vote he is going to loose.

It is gerrymandering in another form by US president and a voter suppressant tactic.