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Fri Jan 28,12:11 AM ET South Asia - AFP

KATHMANDU (AFP) - Nepal has closed two offices in Kathmandu associated with exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, Tibetan and foreign ministry sources said.

The government has closed the office of the Dalai Lama's representative and the Tibetan Refugee Welfare Office, a Tibetan source said.

"Following an official notification of the home ministry, we have shut down all the offices relating to the Tibetan refugees from this week," a senior welfare office staffer told AFP on Friday.

The welfare office looks after more than 20,000 Tibetan refugees who left their homeland after the Dalai Lama fled Tibet in 1959 amid a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

The Chinese embassy has frequently lodged strong protests with the Nepalese government for permitting the Tibetan office to operate in Nepal in the name of the Dalai Lama.

Nepal, which is careful not to antagonise its giant neighbour, recognises Beijing's rule over Tibet.

A senior foreign ministry official said the Tibetan offices had not registered as required under Nepalese law.

The Tibetan Refugee Welfare Office (TRWO) had been helping several hundred destitute Tibetans who fled from Tibet across Himalayan passes to head to the northern Indian hill resort of Dharamsala where the Dalai Lama lives in exile.

After crossing into Nepal, the Tibetans are provided with travel documents by the United Nations (news - web sites) refugee agency (UNHCR) to help them to travel to Dharamsala.

"The closing of the TRWO may be a big problem for the Tibetan refugees fleeing from the roof of the world for their political freedom," a diplomatic source said.

Aaabey eedhar dekho to ! Phir tum log kaheytey ho Hum(Indialog) tumharey politics or social mamala mey khatpat karteyhaii. Magar eeehdar deekho to saachiii baat najar aata hai ki tum loog milkey nahii beyth saktey ho !!

Nepal- Zone of peace ? Aaarey kahum saa zone key baaat kartey ho tuum log ? Boooohahaha !!

well kdee my boss is NOT Republican, word. i've capitalized the word NOT cuz is NOT. I haven't said that tibetans have contributed for Nepal, i know and understand their role in nepali economy. but saying that its just cuz of Tibetans Nepal have flourished as a Buddhist pilgrimage is balony. Yeah it did have help Nepal but its not the only reasong rite. Here the gentleman is trying to imply that so i just beg to differ from him. It seems u are some rehortic when you beg to differ pls state ur opinions not ur remarks about ppls plotical affiliation. BTW my granpa have taught me one being a minority and the same time being a Red it cannot co-exist and i heartly believe on him.
BTW u can call ur gal bhoteni, chimsi whatever u like its totally in between u and ur gal. I just said Bhote is dragotary cuz some of my friends from nepal have said that so i was just putting my thoughts. u made ur point thats fine nice to hear that. ok the word bhote is not dragotary its nice to know.
saying chinese is not dragotary but saying rail road , yellow or chinks is dragotory.
also being mangloid feature i have bear that through out my highschool.

i must have misjudged u and termed your posts ( dragotory ) too quick then.
i'll offer you an olive, since i'm fresh out of branches.
i just felt that you use the terms us and them too loosely. you , also state comments like
" the tibetans are better than mardwaris", when there never really was a popularity competition between them. and furthermore, why do you get to decide that?.

you are lucky to live in a country that was founded on the principles of people being
the same, irrespective of caste, colour and creed, a nation that (initially) welcomed immigrants and refugees.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

and then you sit on your high horse and say we should turn our back to the bhutanese
refugees. i dunno, it just smacked of hypocrisy to me.
ps.my bhotini girl says hi :)
she is also being mangloid feature
.

and then you sit on your high horse and say we should turn our back to the bhutanese
refugees. i dunno, it just smacked of hypocrisy to me

yeah it seems hypocracy to u. What i was trying to say was we have to deal it diplomatically. We should beat bhutanese and south block beaurocrates regarding restablishments of those displaced ppl. We are beaten handsomely on that field by those ppls. If we tend to get beaten up no wonder everywhere in a world nepali ppl lives they will be forced to leave those places cus they will know nepali goverment cannot do rats ass regarding diplomacy. Is inutiating diplomatic talks with prepared homework is turning back on nepali origing Bhutanese ppl than let me know. In between what we can do for those refugees in Jhapa is provide them good health care, education for their kids jobs what else can we do more thant that. Do u want to deforest and start alloting them lands yeah we can do that but only when all the hopes are gone. We haven't done our work properly and without even trying why to give up thats what i mean.
BTW mark my word ppl from nothern states like MIZORAM, NAGALAND, Arunanchal and Meghalaya will also come to nepal as displaced from those places. Sikkim and Darjeeling are already seeing that. Why this is happening cuz ppl in south block know we cannot compete iin beaurocracy. Do u know u can find Nepali ppl from Malaysian peninsula to the island of jamaica and guyana. What if those ppl are thrown from there seeing what an incompetent nation nepal is ? Indians were evicted from Ethiopia, Kenya and Yuganda see how the deal with those ppl. They were able to re-establsih those ppl in those countries back again if not get some kinda financial copnensations from those countries. Indians mostly living in Canada and UK are from mostly those African states. How do u think they were able to get stay in those countries cuz its south blocks clever and well timed diplomacy. Are we able to do that no we are not. Here thats what i am trying to say why not we strengthen our foreign service and give a try.
P.S. it seems u didn't read all of my article and just boiled up b4 reading all of it. Pls try to read all and in addition try to understand what a writer is saying. Do not jump on conlusion without giving a thought.

Sikkim and Darjeeling are already seeing that.

here i mean that these two places are seeing migration in high number of nepali origin from mentioned other states to theirs.

Swaati
I may not know as much about the capitol hill as you do but please rest assured that they will NOT be crowding Nepal. Actually, Nepal does have any policies to harbor refugees NOR is in a position to do so.

India CANNOT afford to displace 500,000 + Nepalese

Let me ask you this: why are you insisting this will happen??

India won't do as Bhutan has done. But it will do being behind the curtain player. Regarding Sikkima and Darjeeling, they are able to enjoy liberty as much as other Indians but have u seen recent turn out in other northern states. Ppl from this states are systematically displaced by any means with the help of locals. PPl from this nothern states are looing for shelter in Darjeeling and Sikkim. No wonder one day this places will also get crowded rite. they are doing this cuz they have learned a lesson from Darj and Sikkim that not to let nepali ppl to group and voice for their rights and treat as equal. Do u think this displace ppl wanna live in any other places than where they were displaced from? If they were really looking for jobs like most of young nepali peasents do than they would have gone to calcutta or work in some timber jobs isn't it? just like as u have said that earlier in another post that u can find a lots of nepali working as chaukidaar in dekhi. To get re-establish just like Bhutanese ppls demand they will look for nepals help even nepal itself is not able to look after its own ppl.
Finally ,
India CANNOT afford to displace 500,000 + Nepalese

its truth but u have to understand that they do not want nepali origin in this states to grp and ask for rights as u guys have done in darjeeling and sikkim. Its like agulhto le poleko kukur bijuli dekhi tarsincha.
BTW i am gonna find a report about whats happening with nepali origin ppl in nothern states of india other than ur darjeeling and sikkim. I did have that report but misplaced somewhere. i will paste it here as soon as i find that.

Swaati Bro:

Let me introduce you Tib Buddhism 101. Dharmsala is a seat for only Dalai Lama which belongs to Gyeluk or Yellow Sect and they rule govt. Then there are Nyingmapa, Kagyu and Sakya. Most of the teachers live either in Nepal or other parts of India. Now most of the Kagyu and Nyingma teachers are in Nepal as most of the mountain region people like Sherpa, Manages and others belong to these 2 group. So people like Gere and Siegel comes there.

There are Buddhist shrines and stupas in Nepal. But until Tibetans showed up in Nepal, not many people made any relevancy of those holy sites. It happened only after Tibetan monks and Rimpoches started opening monastries in 60s, 70s, 80s and started explaining followers the importance of these sites. Later they opened centers in the West as an extension and whatever they got as donation they brought it back to build more Gumba. I believe there are over 300 centers in US alone run by Tibetan monks. I am sure you have noticed monastries popping up in KTM everywhere. I am glad they are doing that since all the money they earned overseas are brought back to Nepal.

And talking about Buddhas birth place, when was the last time govt seriously tried to improve it other than the Lumbini Mega Project. Alll the govt has done is put a plan in big signboard outside the project area in Lumbini. Except for few outsiders, Tibetans are the one building monastries in Lumbini. If you go to any Tibetan monastries, you will find 60-80 percent of the monks as either Sherpa, Tamang, gurung, manage, etc. I believe it is a good learning opportunities for them. Those becoming monks are usually from poor family anyway. For them, this is one of a way to revive culture, learn dharma and bring positive change in a society.

Swaati Bro. Even rug industry in Nepal is doing very poorly because of our typical attitude. As a Nepali, we always tend to think of shrot term. Instead of making quality rugs, we tend to cut each others price and the result is what we have now.

All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title. 'Cause they worked hard for it and along the way many benefitted from that. What we need in our society are the good people who cares about each other and help each other. it does not matter whether you are from different colors, gender or sex. I think Tibetans are that kind of people. Wouldn't you rather have good and smart employees if you are running your own company.

I think they deserve to be treated respectfully. It is long overdue.

Swaati Bro:

Let me introduce you Tib Buddhism 101. Dharmsala is a seat for only Dalai Lama which belongs to Gyeluk or Yellow Sect and they rule govt. Then there are Nyingmapa, Kagyu and Sakya. Most of the teachers live either in Nepal or other parts of India. Now most of the Kagyu and Nyingma teachers are in Nepal as most of the mountain region people like Sherpa, Manages and others belong to these 2 group. So people like Gere and Siegel comes there.

There are Buddhist shrines and stupas in Nepal. But until Tibetans showed up in Nepal, not many people made any relevancy of those holy sites. It happened only after Tibetan monks and Rimpoches started opening monastries in 60s, 70s, 80s and started explaining followers the importance of these sites. Later they opened centers in the West as an extension and whatever they got as donation they brought it back to build more Gumba. I believe there are over 300 centers in US alone run by Tibetan monks. I am sure you have noticed monastries popping up in KTM everywhere. I am glad they are doing that since all the money they earned overseas are brought back to Nepal.

And talking about Buddhas birth place, when was the last time govt seriously tried to improve it other than the Lumbini Mega Project. Alll the govt has done is put a plan in big signboard outside the project area in Lumbini. Except for few outsiders, Tibetans are the one building monastries in Lumbini. If you go to any Tibetan monastries, you will find 60-80 percent of the monks as either Sherpa, Tamang, gurung, manage, etc. I believe it is a good learning opportunities for them. Those becoming monks are usually from poor family anyway. For them, this is one of a way to revive culture, learn dharma and bring positive change in a society.

Swaati Bro. Even rug industry in Nepal is doing very poorly because of our typical attitude. As a Nepali, we always tend to think of shrot term. Instead of making quality rugs, we tend to cut each others price and the result is what we have now.

All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title. 'Cause they worked hard for it and along the way many benefitted from that. What we need in our society are the good people who cares about each other and help each other. it does not matter whether you are from different colors, gender or sex. I think Tibetans are that kind of people. Wouldn't you rather have good and smart employees if you are running your own company.

I think they deserve to be treated respectfully. It is long overdue.

Koolketa......I agree with u...thanks for educating Swati and others who don't seem to know much about Tibetan background...U did a good job explaining and hope those who do not know much about Tibetans take the time to read your piece and stop stereotyping the tibetans......

KoolKeta, I agree that we need to respect every race despite their country of origin. BUT I can not consider all Gurungs, Tamangs, Sherpas and specially Shakyas as Tibetans. So in justice of law - your false reasoning causes you to loose the case.

"All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title. 'Cause they worked hard for it and along the way many benefitted from that. What we need in our society are the good people who cares about each other and help each other. it does not matter whether you are from different colors, gender or sex. I think Tibetans are that kind of people. Wouldn't you rather have good and smart employees if you are running your own company. "

Koolketa,

Thanks for your enlightening post on Tibetan Buddhism and Tibetan issues. But I somehow do not agree with this line:
"All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title."

BEACUSE they gave us the KHAMPA REBELLION in the 70s, in which the Nepali Army was mobilized for the first time after the treaty of Sugauli. The rebellion has a long and interesting history and is directly linked to the Dalai Lama and his governmnet in exile. It nearly damaged our relationship with China. So the governmnet had its reasons to keep an watchful eye on the Tibetans. I don't say the whole Tibetan community was involved, but the minority who sided with the leader of the rebellion, Baba Yeshi and his 8 streams or whatever cult, did damage the overall reputation of Tibetans in Nepal and Nepal's international reputation.

And if you all allow me, let me add something:

Nepal has pursued the policy of One China. From the Nepali foreign policy perspective, there is only one China and because of that position, it is our responsibility to make sure taht no organziation or actions in Nepal violate that position by engaging directly or indirectly in activities that undermine our position. Its also a standard diplomatic practice. When you do not recognize an organziation, you do not normally let it work in your country/territory ebcause failing to do so would result in a serious diplomatic set-back with the country against whose interests the organization in question work.
Once you let it work in your territory, you are challenging and undermining your own position. Therefore the governmnet of Nepal had to close down the offices because it was against our foreign policy. America will not let Hamas open its office in LA, Israel will not let an IRA office in its territory, India will not let a LTTE office in its soil.. I am not comparing the Tibetans with the Hamas, LTTE or IRA, I am just providing how countries impose restrictions on offices of the entities/organziations they oppose.

Decades after and Nepal finally realise her foreign policy !! Isolated bro, Where was this foreign policy all these years. With the slow trickling away of all consulates and diplomatic missions, I wonder if Nepal will have any allies left to pursue their new found foreign policy !!

well well it seems lot of posting after my last one huh.
thank u ISO for clearifying. Well Koolketa i have no grudge against tibetans. I agree with the idea one shouldn't be discriminate just cuz of race, sex,religion or for physical disability. I do also condone the ppl like NEO and i have stated earlier too. however ur statement that just solely tibetan ppl are responsible for our economic growth and just by them coming in nepal, nepal got a place in international scenario thats what i humbly differ to.
BTW u speaking about monastry building with donated money may be there are some but u claiming it has boosted nepali economy its just indigestable.
Regardin ur talks about Richard Gere and Stevan Seagal. Richard Gere have done really good job for Tibetan ppl but regarding Nepal and Nepali umm have to think about it. Go to State dept and Immigration office u will see the reason. Well his fund 100% goes to HH Dalai lama unlike u have stated in nepali monsatries.
well what to say about Stevan Seagal. I just read that he is declared as some lamas' reincarnation. What is that? isn;t it a commercialization of religion?

Lastly about Lumbini u have stated that all the developments are done by tibetan buddhist what an statement? Do u know every country is alloted a land in lumbini to build their own monastry. Its not all build by just tibetans. BTW i haven't heard from ur HH Dalai Lama about authunticity of birth place of buddha. If u go to kakrahawa(recently name siddhartha nagar) in indian side they have their own claim of the birth place of buddha.haven;t heard any kinda remarks made by HH dalai lama regarding that.
I am still saying i have not grunt against anybody just beg to differ wit ur remarks. I really appericiate their contribution to Nepal but just u implying other than tibetans no one else have any kinda contribution to nepal is just balony.

SUNA SAYS Let me ask you this: why are you insisting this will happen??

Here are the recent incidents which lead me to jump on that conclusion.


Casting ethnic slur on Nepalis


PURAN P BISTA

- Meghalaya, carved out of Assam in the early 1970s, is one of the Indian states where a large number of Nepalis continue to live there. The Nepalis have contributed a lot to the state?s economic development. They cleared rainforest jungles, built roads and even taught the local tribal communities how to irrigate land.
Shillong?s Gorkhapathshala set up in 1878 still stands as an academic monument. This was the first the Nepali-run community school in India.

The first Nepali settlement dates back to 1824 when the British-Gurkhas moved to Shillong from Cherapunji, Assam. And Gurkhas began to join the British army after the 1816 Sugauli Treaty. Until 1947, the Nepalis were in majority in Shillong, the capital of Meghalaya. Those who were recruited in the British army did not return to Nepal after their retirement. They preferred Shillong and other parts of Meghalaya to Nepal.

However, after India?s independence in 1947, the federal government introduced acts, which gradually uprooted the Nepali settlements in Northeast India. The 1963 Land Ceiling Act was the first tool used for evicting millions of Nepalis out of several Northeast Indian states.

Nepalis cannot buy land in any tribal state, nor are they eligible for state services without domicile certificates. Nagaland, Meghalaya, outer Manipur, Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh are tribal states in Northeast India. Until 1961, the Nepalis were in majority in Kohima, the capital of Nagaland. But India?s Land Ceiling Act reduced them to minority. Except Kohima?s Chanmari where over 100 Nepali families still live, the state government gradually evicted the Nepali settlements from other parts of Kohima, saying that the land occupied by them was illegal.

Similarly, in Meghalaya, the Nepalis cannot own land except in the British restricted zones in Shillong. The land they had once owned was disowned by the state government after the Land Ceiling Act.

Clearly, the Nepalis in Northeast India do not enjoy rights outlined in the 1950 Peace and Friendship Treaty between Nepal and India. The land act introduced by the federal government stands against the letter and spirit of the 1950 Treaty. This apart, the 1987 Assam Accord too was signed against the letter and spirit of the 1950 Treaty. A Nepali, who has been there after 1971, is treated as a foreigner in Assam. The state government deters Nepal nationals from visiting the Northeast Indian states.

When the federal government signs accords that flout the 1950 Treaty, can the state governments let the Nepali minority enjoy the rights outlined in the treaty? There are many Modis in Northeast India. Indians from West Bengal, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and other Indian states have often provoked them to unleash terror on the Nepali minority.

In 1987, the Bengali community of Shillong provoked the Khasi Students Union led by Bull Lyndoh, saying that the Nepalis of Meghalaya would soon begin to demand for a separate state. Later, the students union branded the Nepali minority as foreigners and evicted them out of the state. Many Nepalis living there for centuries were forced to leave the state. Children of Nepali parents still do not get admission in Christian and government-run colleges.

Until 1987, the Nepali population in Meghalaya stood little over 135,000. They included both floating and non-floating populations. They were floating because though they lived there for centuries, they did not have any documents to prove their settlement as they neither cast their vote nor did they remain in the same place. There were herders who moved from one village to another.

In Jawai a large number of Nepali laborers working in coal-mines were killed by the Jayantis. The sectarian violence rendered half of the Nepali people who lived there for centuries homeless. And thousands of floating population left the state after the 1987 sectarian violence. These Nepalis, who returned to Nepal, are still stateless.

It is surprising that, despite such atrocities meted on the Nepali community, Nepal has not taken up the issue with its Indian counterpart. Rather Nepal has succumbed to Indian pressure. The Indian state governments have openly targeted at Nepali settlements in Northeast India. For instance, two villages in Manipur state were torched at midnight by the state security force in 1980. The federal government did not even bother to probe the incident though a team of Nepali delegates met then Indian Prime Minister Mrs Indira Gandhi and briefed her on the state atrocity against the Nepalis. Such incidents regularly feature but they have not drawn New Delhi?s attention yet.

In practice, India has not honored the 1950 Treaty. Nor has Nepal raised the issue of Indian violation of the Treaty. But the Indian Nepalis have opposed the treaty on the ground of reciprocal treatment, which treats them as Nepalis which is taken as an ethnic slur by many Indians. Because this Indians? ethnic slur has uprooted the Nepalis settled in Northeast Indian states instead of ensuring them to enjoy the rights outlined in the 1950 Treaty.


Suna guess how lucky u are cuz u are from Darjeeling unlike those other nepali origin ppl from above mentioned states

Swaati:
Thanks for posting the article.

I don't just consider myself lucky to be from Darjeeling: I feel HONORED to have been born in such a wonderful place surrounded by Nepalese AND other ethnic groups. I feel HONORED because I learnt how to live among different groups and respect their differences which is more than I can say for a lot of people around the world. I feel HONORED because I had the opportunity to grow up in a place where there is equal opportunity for education for BOTH SEXES.

NOW...WHO IS PURAN BISTA? And..I'm not saying that those atrocities did not occur. What I say is..why did all those Nepalese keep quiet? Well...that was in the past. The future is different. One step at a time. The agitation of Gorkhaland has made the central government well aware of uprisings that Nepalese may bring to the table and they have been forewarned by those in Darjeeling.

Whatever ...........????

I think the goverment of nepal did a good thing by closing that center. It was against the goverments idealogy. We all have to support what the gov't did was rigth. I also believe in 1 china and tibet is a part of China.

ask any tibetan's if they believe one day Tibet will be free? and they will tell you no. You know why? show me one country in the world that has the power to make China give Tibet back to tibetan's. Since Indian's constantly thinking of eating and gobbling nepal and make it like Sikkim, I support the king and his move. I would rather be fren's with china than india. I know we have close cultural ties with India but India has never viewed Nepal as a friendly country.

koolKeta you seem to be uncool now. So far as my understanding you haven't lived in Nepal too much, calling our very own nepali ethnic community Tibetans mean's you are not a nepali. Dogg, I would hate to see you say that in front of tamangs , magars and gurungs, that they are tibetans and not nepali, you would get a good beating for insulting true nepali's. Tibetans are building this and that. who cares???????????

Nepal closed all tibetan centers in Nepal to let Indian's know that they can take their tibetan's if they want, It was to let The King of Bhutan know that his cousin's can kiss Nepali ass and say goodbye to freedom and send them back to TIbet. I have no grudge against Tibetan's but it is all Politics and I am sorry for what I am saying.

When did JigmeLadoiChus started getting concerned about nepali people when he sent all those nepali background people to nepal. India is only helping because it is scared if the mao's get powerful, they might spill over India and they would be in shit load of trouble. Indian's call the Bhutani King to be their chief guest and when OUR Beloved KING tries to take things and matters in his own hands from India Loving Politician's, the dhoti goverment wants to boycott the SAARC summit.

I hope all nepalis realize this time is time to get united not divided, LETS RALLY BEHIND OUR KING AND GIVE HIM SUPPORT AND HOPE THAT HE SUCCEDS IN QUAILING THE MAOIST PROBLEM. IT IS HIGH TIME WE REALIZE WHICH OF OUR NEIGHBOURS ARE OUR FRIENDS AND WHICH ARE NOT.

Right on bro, keep up the good words floating. We need to bitchslap those dhotis, thats what they want.


{its all good in the hood}

Gorkhali...u say u have nothing against the Tibetans then why r u using harsh language and cursing the Tibetans....U said it was against Govt idealogy...but remember the center was there for more than 50 something yrs...so why all of a sudden...Tibet was never a part of China before they invaded tibet so why r u talking when u ain't got no knowledgle about what u r sayin...might as well shut your dumb ass mouth....As for Tibet being free....It will be hard but remember India got its freedom after a very long time...so what makes u think that Tibet will never be free....Being born and raised in Nepal I call myself Nepali though I may not be a Bahun...newari etc etc....now I am ashamed that we do have ppl like ur ass (gorkhali) that stereotype other nepali of different race.....Gorkhali....U can kiss my ass for being such a low chararter..who the .....do u think u r????Its low profile ppl like u that ruin the minds of other nepali....Gorkhali U suck big time ......