Frenz,

I cannot understand why we love to hate India and Indians so much? India have been a little too oversmart in the past with sikkim and bhutan, but is that a reason enough to be judgmental about them?

If we look upon indians here in US, I find most of them very friendly and honest. In fact, one of my very best friends happen to be an Indian. There are certain things which I still don't like about them, but keeping those petty reasons apart, I don't see any major reason why we need to hate and diss them.

India are one of the fastest growing economies in the world at present with one of the oldest democracies as well, Nepal have a lot to learn from them in both respects.

I was once asked by an indian, "I have heard that you guyz hate us, is it true? Why so? " I did not have valid reasons to answer him.

Of course, there have been dubious acts by them in the past, like in the case of Tanakpur, but thanks to out own leaders. We know how are our own leaders, rite? Plus, if they try to act smart with us in the future (like they did with Sikkim and Bhutan) aren't we good enough by now to KICK their a$$?


So what's the point in hating them like hell????

Nepali
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Don't worry MadDogg bro Nepali people are becoming aware of what Indians are doing and what the Indian don't know is there is limit to everything, India would get its share soon. As for Budha being born in India they are now starting to change it in Western text that Budha was born in Nepal so these dirty Indian bastards can claim what they want.

ne23pe ,What can nepal do???hahaa attack India?
nonsense.
they are paying for the land they are taking right?how gave 15 billion rs just weeks ago?
When u are so dependent on somebody you can't do anything.

Also , who is going speal against India, Maoists?hahahahaha.
what a joke.

best thing is have friendly relationship with india.Nepalese will die if India closes all its border.ok so these kind of Patriotic thinking is ok but in book.No one has guts to do anything about India.SPA , dhoti laguane neta haru .hahahahah

Mad dog and Kiwi,
Stop being arrogant! U guys are not alone. U should be more civilized and don't set an example of being Nepalese.
About Inida, We don't need to hate them nor we should compete..Just devlop urself first.

thats the concern...................India will not let that happen..........Do you know how many International countries want to invest in our hydro power and other resourses ????? Our leaders cant allow them to come to Nepal because India wouldnt let them..............They have the final say...........................you can develope personally in Nepal....But the Country in general...........LOst case.........NO HOPE...................you will become toast if you try to change it......

so this thread is still on, wow! it took me a while to realise that i was the one who created it. hehe.

great going maddogg and kiwi!!


Loote

woof woof woof!!!

Heres my point. There is always a solution to a problem in this world. First of all when you talk about when we can't do anything against India, militarily we cant do anything, but use media. For example one can use hidden camera around borders and since Kantipur is now linked with satelite the world can see how India is. When you create a world opinion against India then this should help. Get UN to be involved or USA or even China and that will scare the dhotis of these Indians. Another life lesson sooner or later Nepali people would eventually have to defend themselves so why so late. If India attacked an unarmed citizen of Nepal how would it look like for India and what would UN think or US or as matter a fact the whole world.

As far as food and essentials are concerned Nepal is capable of producing enough food to feed its people, but again there lacks visionary people. Take for example aquaponics farming and hydrophonics farming which allows farmer to increase any food by over 1000 percent in an acre of this farming system. In these system any plant can be grown. If you don't believe me then do research.

As far as salt goes there is a salt lake in Gorkha but the problem arises due to the fact that we have no knowledge of making ionized salt so it is going to waste. If you think about it back in the old day how due you think people in Gorkha region survive without salt there is no way. They found salt there. Some of you might say tibet but Gorkha falls in central Nepal so going either to terai or tibet would take close to 2 to 3 months traveling in foot because back then they did not have cars or trucks.

Now some of you may say what about gas or oil that comes from India, as many of engineers in Sajha already know that there are many alternative fuels used today, and for us to take advantage of that we need educated people in the field of science. If you want to ask me how then I will show you that part also.

As far as treaties and trades are concerned with other countries along with India, then you play the China card in which you can ask China for air space or if India wants to keep China in check then it will sign an air deal that is favorable to Nepal (thats when we start our black male).

Imi you sound more like our leader who does not have any vision for Nepal. You think by just letting them do what they want they will stop at that. This time they are only stealing land, next time it will be raping, there after murder and the list continues. How long can you watch these people do this to our brothers and sisters. See the crap your are filling people with that Nepal cant survive without India. It can its just will take time and the right people. People like you only confuse others.

If you are still not stisfied by my comments then ask me what is it that Nepal need from India or why Nepal cant survive without India?

dude,
You are taking nepal , In one shot 400 years from where it stands now.So it takes time to do all those stuff as well as resources.So by that time we gather that we all will be dying.Our ecomony is not so stong.I know about alteranative fuels and all that. Even US has not been able to implement that you are talking about nepal.

You have vision but you have shortsight.
i am not BS ing come down to reality .Think can we gather all those in one month. IF there is no fuel, no salt,no food for one month.Then how many people will die.I can talk big like you.Don't think i don't know.

And moreover who is going to do that??You friends :Maoists?Who are against global investments and ecomony?And we have seen SPA.

So, instead of talking big it is always good to have realistic vision.
If china can eat up tibet and harass taiwan all the time .Do you think INDIA cares about US and UN??

you have been underestimating power of India.I am not saying that they will send troops but just economic sancation for a month would be enough.do u remember the time of Rajiv Gandhi ???that was just closing couple of borders.Think !!!don't lecture.

It will not take Nepal four hundred years to implement the things I mentioned.

For example learning the process of making salt you can be a chemist and do it or chemical engineer. I know we have a lot of chemist and chemical engineers. Or get into US military for two years and it will teach you how make salt out of salt water.

Secondly it will take about 3 to 5 months for someone to set up the whole aquaponics or hydroponics system and learn from it. So the food can be provided with in that time frame and its not seasonal so the food is year around.

As far as US giving a rats ass about Nepals border it will more than willing help Nepal protect its borders if you allow some American troops to station at some border points so it can keep an eye out on China and India and I know neither China nor India would object to giving US air space especially if they still want to do business with US. You have to think in a give and take way.

As far as fuel is concerned the reason why US can't implement it yet is because its not business friendly. Meaning if they use ethonal for source of energy then a lot of people in US can create that at home and sell it, so the government may not recieve any benefits (tax) when people are selling it. Also people in US are already using alternative fuels in the case of NASCAR where ethonal and nitrogent are used so I dont know what your are talking about. The problem with US is that there are more cars in this country then the people. Imagine if even half of US house hold has at least two cars in average thats about 270 million car so US has problem because its abundance in car not because of resources.
In Nepal you dont have to worry about this because at max Nepal has about 3 million cars. I know we can find enough juice for it.

Here's the thing IMI I am thinking, you are the one that isn't. Now before you say anything about my unrealistic views and BS ings tell me if I am wrong or right in my point? As A Matter A Fact Why Don't You Prove Me Wrong About My Unrealistic Views and BS ings Since You Are More Familiar of Reality And Don't BS?

Since you mentioned to point out your BSing and lack to see future. Here it comes:

”For example learning the process of making salt you can be a chemist and do it or chemical engineer.”

Everyone knows that you can make salt from salt water .Fine that is true. But you need to take account how long would it take to do that and is it sufficient enough to provide the needs of growing population?

“Secondly it will take about 3 to 5 months for someone to set up the whole aquaponics or hydroponics system and learn from it. So the food can be provided with in that time frame and it’s not seasonal so the food is year around”

Can we sustain 3-5 months without food? We could not survive for month during Rajiv Gandhi’s time. What makes us more superior now? We have growing population and less cultivation and farming than before. And what about the investment (money, education) required doing this???
Should we ask India for that?

“As far as US giving a rats ass about Nepal’s border it will more than willing help Nepal protect its borders if you allow some American troops to station at some border points so it can keep an eye out on China and India and I know neither China nor India would object to giving US air space especially if they still want to do business with US. You have to think in a give and take way”


So you think US will be happy to put military base in Nepal.Hahahha. Do you know they fear with China and India the most? One word from china is sufficient enough. Now you are alienating China was well. Is this part of your vision? And what benefit is there for Nepal with us base camp. Like Philippines – increase in prostitution –prey to America soldiers. How is the economical development there .hello? It won’t be give and take. Very expensive price to pay.

“As far as fuel is concerned the reason why US can't implement it yet is because it’s not business friendly. Meaning if they use ethanol for source of energy then a lot of people in US can create that at home and sell it, so the government may not receive any benefits (tax) when people are selling it. Also people in US are already using alternative fuels in the case of NASCAR where ethanol and nitrogen are used so I don’t know what your are talking about. The problem with US is that there are more cars in this country then the people. Imagine if even half of US house hold has at least two cars in average that’s about 270 million car so US has problem because its abundance in car not because of resources”

Do you know the technology of ethanol? Read it! Where are you going to get so much production of corn????We don’t have enough to eat .you want corns for gas? Then again suppose you made enough corn. Do you know that for ethanol to fully operate them need car engine especially designed to accept ethanol. It is not going to be expensive than regular car but who is going to provide new cars and transportation in Nepal???India manufacturer producing ethanol compatible car is 25 years from now. And as far as USA they will be starting that soon. As Americans are rich they can afford to throw there old car .Can we throw all our old cars, buses, trucks????

So, Man you have vision .Good keep it up but be realistic when you talk and talk about feasible stuff. What if is not solution? Come down to earth and talk.

Imi the questions you raised does not make sense.

First and formost how do you think the world produces salt, by just letting other country get it for them even thouh they have salt river. Second I know the process of making salt and how much time it takes, but you think salt that is produced for US population and China population are not formed the same way. They have population that is 10 time in US case and 40 to 45 times more in Chinas case compare to Nepal.

About the Hydroponics and Aquaponics system I said it will take 3 to 5 months to understand to operate the system not produce food. Take for example all the tomatoes, lettuce, chilli, green pepper, cucumbers, etc... in US are produced by Aquoponics or Hydroponics system, how do you think they supply these items every day in the market, they created the cycle for production. For example, if California made tomatoes that can last for 3 months then another state would produce it for another three months that the California would supply that other states for. So when California is growing their tomatoes than that other state would provide it to them. These cycle help balance things out.

You really think US is afraid of India? Now thats funny. Maybe China.
Ok maybe China may not like the idea of US troops being in borders but in comprimise China may want to help us with protecting the border if it wants limited US influence. If you think back, there was a time when China wanted an embassy in terai but India objected, but had our leaders have said yes then it would have been different today.

(http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/renewable/biomass.html)
Read this! corn, sorghum, and wheat, as well as potato skins, rice, sugar cane, surgar beets, and yard clippings.

As far as ethonal is concerned before you tell me to read it, read the fact about how you can crete ethonal and other fuels from many other things beside corns. Look up this fact before saying anything. Another thing you forgot is I mentioned other alternatives also. We have hydropower, then you have liquified oxygen and hydrogens that are abundent, then there is natural gas that one can manipulate for benefits. So there are many sources. As far as making an engine that works with this is concerned I know many people who understand the process and make electric motors that can do just that and have beening doing it. Most of them are enviornmental engineers. People already developed them in US they are not planning only. The govt is planning so it can find ways to make profit not because they can't.

dude, don't give me that links and stuff .I know what you are saying and i just saying you this :Yes we can in 5 -10 years period(being very optimistic) and having tons of money in our pockets and leaders with vision and people with dedication but in those 5 -10 years there will be no one surviving(not iterally).So,better not piss off India during those years. Which is highly unlikely ofcourse they are going to get jealous and close all the resources.

And making Dams for hydro-electic.. that is too far .. Do you know .how much india will get pissed of if nepalese dam floods the indian villages.So,Those stuff you said ,is good optimistic but practical in present context of Nepal.We don't have leaders, we don't have money.we don't have resources.

oh wll ... thakai lagyo... yek chhin pipal ko rukh muni basera taas khenlu na... Yeh kanchi sabai lai rakshi le ta ...

That's how we and our leaders are. Although you presented good ideas, no chance of hapenning! It's like Ganesh Maan or some one in the 50s apparently said ... "In 25 years Nepal will produce a needle dekhi liyera plane samma!" ddi not happen ... will not happen ... until we learn to sacrifice (and I don't mean the way maoists are doing it) our personal self for the societal benefits we will never achieve to anything!! And I don't see that hapenning!!

Imi my comments were not anything personal against you, I was just simply trying to point out the fact that it is possible and it would not take about 400 years as you were saying. Well in any case you are right we dont have leaders with these visions so I will end my bickering now.

What do you Guys n Gals think.....???? If all of us.... , I mean every Nepalese who live , work, study abroad........around the world...INCLUDING NEPALESE IN INDIA......... Doctors, scientists, Army, businessmen and women, students..........Gosh people of all walks of life......our own Nepali Daal bhaat tarkari achhar Nepali.............Should return to Nepal................... and start the process of rebuilding and restructuring Nepal...........starting with EDUCATION...Sanitation,.....and all the good stuff....etc etc...........WOULD IT WORK????????????????
I know its not realistic.....but just a thought...........

YES ! IT WOULD WORK!!
BUT DON'T TAKE IT AS COMPETITING WITH INDIA OR AGAINST INDIA.
DO IT FOR THE PROGRESS OF OUR NATION.DON'T GET JEALOUS OR HATE INDIA.IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP AT ALL.

SAD THING :
NEPAL NEEDS MIRACLE .I DON'T SEE IT COMING ANYTIME SOON NOR IN THE FUTURE.

THAT COUNTRY WILL EXIST AND WILL REMAIN IN EARTH BUT AS IS .INDIA IS NOT GOING TO TAKE IT NOT ANYBODY ELSE.THAT COUNTRY IS LIKE TURTLE ,IT IS GOING TO WALK BUT NEVER GET DESTINATION ON TIME.

SO, DON'T WORRY NEPAL WILL EXIST AND REMAIN AS IS .NO HOPE FOR DEVELOPMENT THOUGH!!

sad but true

Why should we love india, too?

Do you have any points that makes you feel better?

There is no reason to love of everything but you know we have no choice.

All,
i don't ask you guys to love india or hate india.There is no reason to love and there is no reason to hate.We are dependent on them and that is fact.
But
saying that ,even though our govt. is so much dependent in india .Each individual can help Nepal in its own way.There is nothing to hate india or indian.Change come from each individual.

Incourage yourself to buy nepal made product then India.I admit not everything is ther but still we do make some stuff.That will help nepalese economy.Instead of buying india clothes buy clothes that are made in nepal.we have cotton mills !instead of watching hindi channels watch nepalese channels .instead of watching hindi movie watch nepali movie.I am not saying stop it completely as hate .Let the situation be as is but if you change ,things will change.

Instead of going to India to study.Study in Nepal.We have good colleges.Our money would not flow there.

Then you have to do this not because you hate india because you love Nepal.