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Posted on 07-28-08 8:48 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Got this from a Financial Blogger I subscribe to.  Some pretty good analysis and recommendations for those wanting to play Banking stocks and the US Dollar.  Grim news in general...Could Washington Mutual be next??  Man, when will this mess end!

BTW, check out his recommendations as some of his insights are exactly what I've been feeling for the past few weeks.

 

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Unthinkable Truth; Undeniable Reality
by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

Dear Subscriber,

Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

The truth may be unthinkable, but the reality is undeniable:

Much of our nation's financial structure is collapsing, and our government's only response is phony money, bogus bailouts and a litany of false promises.

Ben Bernanke, Henry Paulson, the FDIC and the U.S. Congress say they can do it all.

They say they can save bankrupt brokers like Bear Stearns ... take over recently failed banks like IndyMac Bank and First National of Nevada ... prop up insolvent mortgage giants like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ... refinance millions of defaulting mortgages ... dish out hundreds of billions in tax rebates ... and still have enough cash in the kitty to cover the next round of financial collapses.

They say their unbridled money printing won't devalue the U.S. dollar.

They say their unlimited pledge to guarantee junk mortgage bonds won't sabotage the credit of the U.S. Treasury.

They say their blank checks to private companies won't rip off U.S. taxpayers.

They'd have you believe they can outlaw the cycle of boom and bust ... repeal the law of supply and demand ... even freeze the march of time.

In the real world, of course, no government in history has ever been able to do anything of the kind, and they know it.

In the real world, their "solution" is part of the problem, and they know that too.

They know that wealth is generated from work — not from the paper money they're printing. They understand the hazards of indulging the most daring debtors and rescuing the most reckless risk-takers.

They know darn well the fatal flaws of the course they've chosen. But they proceed to pursue it anyhow.

Why? Because, behind the façade of their feel-good happy talk and beneath the thin veneer of their Pollyanna optimism, nearly every single one of our leaders — including Bernanke and Paulson, Democrats and Republicans — is really a gloom-and-doom pessimist in disguise.

They are pessimists inasmuch as they have little faith in America's ability to confront hard times. They greatly underestimate our ability to cope and adapt. They think we can't handle the truth.

I disagree. In the Great Depression, our parents and grandparents faced the unthinkable truth and created a stronger country as a result. They confronted the truth again during World War II and helped create a better world in its aftermath.

I believe we can do that too. We have the resources. We have the knowledge. And we have the added benefit of hindsight. But before we move forward, we must admit five irrefutable facts:

Irrefutable fact #1: Ours is a debt-addicted society,and weeding out the bad debts is the first step toward true recovery.

Irrefutable fact #2: By far the biggest pile-up of debts is in mortgages — $14.7 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve's latest Flow of Funds report (see PDF page 64, Table L.4, line 9).

Irrefutable fact #3: Among those mortgages, a quarter to a third could go bad: Their terms are high risk for both borrower and lender. Their collateral is shaky. Most should never have been created in the first place.

Irrefutable fact #4: When bad debts go into default, there is no free lunch. Somebody has to pay the price. The only question is: Who?

Irrefutable fact #5: The overwhelming bulk of the bad mortgages were created to help Americans move into homes that were priced far above their means. But the only way to correct this problem is to let natural market forces drive home prices back down to much lower levels.

Do most of our leaders have the wisdom and moral fiber to confess to these truths? Not yet. But in the not-too-distant future, they will have no other choice.

Reason: America's housing marketplace is bigger than any government; its power, greater than any law. It is the single largest asset class in the world. It packs the most powerful forces of supply and demand ever assembled in history.

And right now, it's tearing down some of our nation's largest banks. Two examples ...

Washington Mutual
In a Death Spiral?

Washington Mutual, America's largest savings and loan, is unfortunately, also one of the nation's largest subprime lenders.

A direct consequence: It appears to be in a death spiral, losing $3.3 billion in the second quarter ... admitting to losses of as much as $19 billion this year ... and probably on its way to losses of an estimated $26 billion.

That estimated loss is over four times its total market value as of Friday's close ... twelve times its yearly earnings in the best of times.

Can it get a new capital infusion to stave off failure?

Perhaps. But on April 8, Washington Mutual already got an injection of $7 billion from private equity firm TPG Capital. And now, less than five months later, an amount equivalent to TPG's entire investment has been more than wiped out with the plunge in Washington Mutual's shares — to a meager $3.82 on Friday.

What's worse, the TPG deal restricts Washington Mutual's ability to raise new, desperately needed capital going forward. And further impairing its ability to raise capital, Moody's announced that it is reviewing the thrift for a downgrade to junk status.

Here's the big problem: As of the latest reckoning, Washington Mutual has $214.6 billion in residential mortgages on its books. And among those, more than three-quarters are in non-traditional categories — option ARMs, subprime loans, home equity loans and multi-family mortgages. Less than one-quarter is of the traditional, single-family prime variety.

Washington Mutual: Nonperforming loans surge!

Just in option ARMs alone, Washington Mutual has $52.9 billion, one of the biggest such portfolios in the industry. Moreover, 62.5% of its option ARMs are in two of the hardest hit states — Florida and California.

Nonperforming assets are growing by an average of 36% each quarter. If they continue to grow at that rate, they could reach a whopping 6.7% of total assets by year-end.

Investors are pulling out. Rumors are swirling that creditors may be doing the same. Bankruptcy looms.

Wachovia Also
Suffering Huge Losses

Wachovia, the nation's fourth largest bank with nearly $800 billion in assets, is also in danger. Its staggering $8.9 billion loss reported last week may be just the tip of the iceberg.

Its big blunder: The acquisition of subprime lender Golden West Financial for $24 billion at the very peak of the real estate market in 2006.

The net result for the bank: It's now stuck with option ARMs valued at $122 billion concentrated in California, the state with one of the worst mortgage default rates.

Net result for shareholders: Over $55 billion of their wealth has been wiped out since the acquisition — more than double the total purchase price of Golden West.

The big problem going forward: Wachovia has $231 billion in residential real estate loans on the books. But only 22% of these are classified as "traditional mortgages." Most of the rest are higher risk.

My Recommendations

Recommendation #1. If you haven't done so already, check the safety of your bank.

Yes, your deposits are insured by the FDIC up to $100,000. But there are still risks and inconveniences of getting stuck in a failed bank or thrift.

For example, if your principal is $100,000, your accrued interest could be at risk. And if your account is a business checking account with large uncashed checks outstanding, even though your book balance may be under the $100,000 limit, your actual bank balance may be over the limit. So those funds may also be at risk.

Even with your insured deposits, after a messy failure, there could be a significant delay in regaining access to your money. You will get your $100,000. But don't expect it to happen overnight. To get a free safety rating on your institution, follow these steps:

Step 1. Go to TheStreet.com's Banks & Thrifts Screener.

Step 2. Look for the green box to enter your information. Under "Bank Name," type in only the first word of your institution's name.

Step 3. To the right of your bank or thrift's name, make note of its rating: A is excellent, B is good, C is fair, D is weak and E is very weak.

Step 4. Use these general guidelines:

  • If your bank or thrift is rated B+ or better, we believe it's secure.

  • If its rating is between B- and C-, check it a few times per year to make sure it hasn't fallen below C-.

  • If it's D+ or lower, seriously consider switching to a safer institution, of which there are many to choose from.

Recommendation #2. Also consider moving most of your savings and checking to a Treasury-only money market fund. Treasury-only money funds are not insured by the FDIC. But I think that's a moot point because the investments they buy enjoy the direct guarantee of the United States Treasury, with no $100,000 limitation.

Examples:

Recommendation #3. If you haven't done so already, dump any bank shares that you may own, whether at a profit or a loss. The recent Fed- and SEC-inspired rally was a gift — a last chance to get out at somewhat better prices.

Recommendation #4. Your investments, your business or your income may still be vulnerable to collapsing mortgages and other debts. For protective hedges, check Our Comprehensive List of Inverse ETFs and consult with your advisor or money manager to select the ones that best match your needs.

Good luck and God bless!

Martin





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Posted on 08-05-08 3:15 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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samsara it feels strange talking to u without getting angry.

anyway i was very bearish on long term US economy. my outlook has changed recently. lets see how the elections goes and what new or any policy changes come into effect with new prez. already its almost guarenteed short term capital gain taxes will go up.

if the dollar doesnt rebound in 1 or 2 years.. i think US economy is doomed then..

maybe i have been reading too many gloom n doom books..  many such people have been predicting disasters even before the tech run up in 1990's began... in the end everything was fine..

as for OPEC they will keep pumping the oil to keep Customers happy. they still have some power to increase supply... no one knows what their real oil reserve capacity is.. but my guess is its probably enough for next 20 -40 years to keep prices relatively stable..

lets see what happens... i will be looking to nibble on some Gold, Oil, Nat Gas over next few months. i think this is just a correction for a long term commodity bull market.

 
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Friends,

 Do you think  today's market shows some hope for the U.S  economy? the price of crude fell as low as  $118 a barrel before settling at $119.17.  NASDAQ, DOW, S&P  rose today. so looks like we are gonna have some better lives here.

With oil falling, and the Fed citing economic growth in its statement  has given hope to the consumer. I think It will definately inspire consumer to spend more.

 so SAM SARA, do you think that U.S ECONOMY  IS NOW MOVING UPWARD SPIRAL?????.

I am really otimistic now.


 
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How' d, yo' all!

Here is an article, albeit a few days old, about an analyst from Oppenheimer and Co., Meredith Whitney who saw the abyss of the financial behemoth like Citigroup coming. On this one, she provides more insights into how deep the credit crunch (crisis) is going to run in the near future and the repercussions generated from it.

The woman who called Wall Street's meltdown

Star bank analyst Meredith Whitney says the economy is about to sink into a deep recession.









 
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for u samsara,


Order ID Trade Date/Time Settlement Type Instrument B/S Rate Amount Counter Amount
Average Acquisition FX Rate Settlement Amount Total Position Swap Amount Delivery Amount
145430780 Aug 12, 2008 11:21:40 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD B 1.4904 10,000.00 CR 14,904.00 DB
1.4904
10,000.00 CR

145430816 Aug 12, 2008 11:21:49 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD B 1.4904 100,000.00 CR 149,040.00 DB
1.4904
110,000.00 CR

145432038 Aug 12, 2008 11:29:33 PM Aug 14, 2008 7:00:00 PM new USD/CAD B 1.0658 10,000.00 CR 10,658.00 DB
1.0658
10,000.00 CR

145432598 Aug 12, 2008 11:33:21 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD B 1.4899 100,000.00 CR 148,990.00 DB
1.4901619
210,000.00 CR

145457274 Aug 13, 2008 2:06:29 AM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM settlement EUR/USD S 1.4923 210,000.00 DB 313,383.00 CR

210,000.00 DB

449.00 CR USD
145457312 Aug 13, 2008 2:06:39 AM Aug 14, 2008 7:00:00 PM settlement USD/CAD S 1.0657 10,000.00 DB 10,657.00 CR

10,000.00 DB

1.00 DB CAD
145467736 Aug 13, 2008 3:11:31 AM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM CNV JPY S 0.009268 5,000.00 DB 46.34 CR




46.34 CR USD
145467738 Aug 13, 2008 3:11:32 AM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM CNV JPY B 0.009268 112,000.00 CR 1,038.02 DB




1,038.02 DB USD
145467776 Aug 13, 2008 3:11:32 AM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM CNV JPY S 0.009268 6,000.00 DB 55.60 CR




55.60 CR USD
145514812 Aug 13, 2008 1:22:18 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD B 1.4899 10,000.00 CR 14,899.00 DB
1.4899
10,000.00 CR

145514864 Aug 13, 2008 1:23:04 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD B 1.4902 100,000.00 CR 149,020.00 DB
1.49017273
110,000.00 CR

145518826 Aug 13, 2008 2:04:32 PM Aug 14, 2008 7:00:00 PM new USD/CAD S 1.0704 100,000.00 DB 107,040.00 CR
1.0704
100,000.00 DB

145519356 Aug 13, 2008 2:09:00 PM Aug 14, 2008 7:00:00 PM settlement USD/CAD B 1.0699 100,000.00 CR 106,990.00 DB

100,000.00 CR

50.00 CR CAD
145530862 Aug 13, 2008 4:20:59 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM settlement EUR/USD S 1.4914 110,000.00 DB 164,054.00 CR

110,000.00 DB

135.00 CR USD
145539126 Aug 13, 2008 5:47:51 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD S 1.4930 20,000.00 DB 29,860.00 CR
1.493
20,000.00 DB

145539166 Aug 13, 2008 5:48:15 PM Aug 15, 2008 7:00:00 PM new EUR/USD S 1.4930 100,000.00 DB 149,300.00 CR
1.493
120,000.00 DB


PL Total* 632.07


 
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2 days of fx.. and now im a E-X-P-E-R-T

 
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HAHAHAH  lato idiot, how many times do I gotta tell you that your trading strategy makes me laugh as there just is no rationale attached to your impulse rather than just click the mouse and look at an outright chart.  Your risk to reward ratios are virtually non-existant...You did a total of 16 transactions and your net profit was only 600 and change??  Just shows me that you're en route to being obliterated by the market pretty soon.  BTW, how much is the spreads you're paying for the trades?  Looks like you'll make the clearing house real rich folks.  Finally, keep posting up demo accounts and yeah, while at it, see where your trading flaws lie.

I'd rather laugh than comment on your trading scenario and your statement above.  Pls hide it from REAL traders like me since the cats here on sajha prolly have never traded before and you could act like you know it all in front of them...HAHAHA  This is exactly the type of mentality that brings other suckers into the markets and we in IBs just make a killing outta these lil fries as the markets after all is a zero-sum game.  How many times have I told you, you gotta hedge your positions instead of plainly taking outright trades.  Hope you don't lose the shirt on your back.

As for all you believers in the US economy. more and more articles are surfacing asking the Fed and Congress to let the markets fall and let the public know the real extent of the problem within the economy.  Only then will the economy correct itself from the current scenario of recessions and mini recessions we've been facing since 2001.  As per these pundits, only we've identified the problem can there be a solution and right now, the band-aid being applied to a bullet wound is defn not the way to go.  It'll just prolong the pain and the recession.  Damn it, give us a Depression and get over with it, so we could rebuild bigger and better!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105551/'Good'-Depression-May-Avert-'Great'-One

Another one which may prove what I've been thinkng all along: Is the Fed and the Congress colluding with the various economic agencies here and cooking the books to produce better than expected economic data??  Looks like something similar to the Sarbanes-Oxley needs to be created for economic-data gatherers like the Fed and its subsidiaries too as the accoutants and economists there have gotten way too smart for their own good.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2008/Pollyanna-Creep-Economy1may08.htm

 

If these pundits have their way, stocks could be in for a beating until no tomorrow!!

 


 
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dyammm I had no idea FX was this easy...

for now i am not interested in hedging... its all or nothing baby.... hedging is just going to hold me back... i want freedom..

dang... i feel like i am printing $$$$ from my computer.

maybe we get a small bounce from 1.48... some fairly good support here...
I will Sell  any bounce on EUR/USD.

my next target for EUR/USD is 1.47

selling all the way... i knew this day was coming... US$ time to show your face and make some.



 
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samsara,   i hope u listened to me... my previous post i mentioned sell the bounce on eur/usd.

i would have made u a lot of money if u only listen.

all or nothing baby.. .no hedging...



 
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The best arbitrageur is one who's updated with what opportunity lies even in the remotest parts of the world and acts upon that scenario if it would even help make him/her a dollar richer.  Here goes today's article that was quite insightful into matters we've been fed and over fed with daily.  Hope it is interesting for those not in touch with world happenings.

 

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State of the World's Future
by Larry Edelson

Dear Subscriber,

I'll discuss the state of the markets shortly. First, I'd like to discuss the state of the world's future.

According to a long-term study just released by the U.S. Naval Services Department, a series of tipping points could dramatically alter the global prospects for economic growth and humanity — for the worse.

Right now, for instance, fully half the world is vulnerable to social instability resulting from rising food and energy prices, lack of water, failing state governments, and pollution.

102 countries are at risk of chaos. 46 countries, comprising 2.7 BILLION people, are at risk of armed conflict with lack of adequate natural resources as the root cause for many of them. Another 56 countries, with 1.2 billion people, are at risk of severe social instability.

There are now 14 ongoing wars around the world: Five in Africa, four in Asia, two in the Americas, two in the Middle East, plus the world-wide war on terrorism.  And 37 countries face a food crisis due to increased demand, falling supplies, high energy prices, and global cereal stocks at 25-year lows. Nearly three billion people subsist on less than $2 a day.

Due to increased demand and with global cereal stocks at 25-year lows, many countries are facing a food crisis.

Some Other Facts to Consider ...

— The world population today is 6.677 billion people, growing at a rate of 1.16% per annum.

— The global economy had one of its best years ever in 2007, growing at 4.9% to $66 trillion in purchasing power parity (PPP). Global per-capita income grew a tad under 4%.

— Yet, high levels of extreme poverty have given birth to 40 new diseases, 1,100 epidemics over the last five years, and 20 drug-resistant diseases today, a record.

Worse, old diseases have re-emerged, such as cholera and yellow fever. And more than one-third of all child deaths occur in the first 28 days of life, mostly due to lack of clean, potable water.

— In total, 700 million people face water scarcity today. Without drastic investment of hundreds of billions of dollar, an estimated three billion people will not have adequate water supplies by 2025.

A scarcity of clean potable water will affect an estimated 3 billion people by 2025.

— The world will need 50% more food within the next five years, and 100% more by 2030.

— Democracy and freedom has declined over the last two years in one-fifth of the world's countries, while total military expenditures have hit $1.3 trillion per year.

— There are an estimated 20,000 active nuclear weapons in the world, 1,700 tons of highly enriched uranium, and 500 tons of separated plutonium that could produce nuclear weapons.

— There were over 150 reports of unauthorized use of nuclear materials per year between 2004 and 2007.

— Illicit trade, corruption, and cybercrime are estimated to cost global GDP well over $2 trillion per year.

— Global energy demand could double in just 20 years. Without major technological changes, fossil fuels will provide 81% of primary energy demand by 2030.

No matter how you look at it, the world has its work cut out for it if we are going to improve the future for our children and grandchildren, and for billions of people around the world.

Fortunately, there are some bright spots. Namely, three important ones ...

#1: Governments around the world are now becoming acutely aware of the problems the world faces. And, they are sharing their knowledge more consistently in international workgroups to solve crises.

#2: Super computers are now reaching levels that will be able to help solve problems at exponentially quicker rates.

A computer can now perform 1.144 thousand trillion floating point operations per second with the capability to support highly complex social, environmental, medical, and economic modeling that will allow more reliable predictions of future behavior and cause and effect relationships in virtually every field of study.

#3: Thanks to the Internet, a global "collective intelligence" is now forming on many of the issues confronting the world today. This enhanced global communication will speed the development of solutions through sharing of ideas and models.

I have faith. I believe we can do it. But getting there won't be easy.

Only massive, unprecedented investment will avert an energy crisis — by investing hundreds of billions of dollars in wind energy, geothermal, ground solar and space solar, and saltwater-based bio-fuels, and an equally massive investment in nuclear power plants.

And that's why I say ...

Natural Resources Will Clearly
Remain In Long-Term Bull Markets

Given all the above, plus the fact that central bankers and politicians around the world will always opt for growth over recession — even if they have to print unlimited supplies of money — it should be awfully clear that the bull markets in natural resources are here to stay.

Indeed, according to my long-term studies and economic models, the prices of natural resources will continue higher for up to ten more years, reaching their peaks in the year 2018.

"What, has Larry lost his marbles?" you ask. "Gold, oil and many other commodities are getting crushed!"

Well, mark my words: The pullbacks you're now seeing in many natural resources are nothing more than normal, healthy bull market retracements. A chance for prices to consolidate, before heading higher.

Just take a look at any long-term chart of any commodity. You'll see what I mean. Every single one of them remains in a long-term bull market.

Also consider the following ...

So what if gold falls back to $800, or even $700? At $700, it's still nearly triple its price of 2000!

So what if oil falls back to $100, or even $70 a barrel? At $70 oil, it's still nearly 500% higher than it was in 1999!

Despite a current pullback in prices, the demand for oil and other commodities will explode higher.

Get the point? Even if commodity prices were to fall that much, which I do not believe they will, they would merely be making HIGHER LOWS, the classic definition of a long-term bull market.

Put another way, the world is getting used to higher oil prices, higher gold prices (a lower dollar), and higher prices for virtually every natural resource under the sun.

What's more, as commodity prices pull back, demand will explode higher again. Won't you run off to the gas pump if you can buy gas again at, say, $3.25 a gallon versus over $4 today?

You bet you will. And so will millions of others. That will lead to a whole new surge in demand, from much higher lows for the price of gas. The same can be said for gold, copper, heating oil, soybeans, wheat, and corn.

What we have witnessed over the last few years — what I call Phase 1 of the greatest bull market in natural resources, ever — is merely the breakout phase.

From here on out, the world will no longer assume we have plentiful supplies of natural resources. Demand will continually rise in its own right, partly due to the ongoing and rapid emergence of countries all over the world, especially China and India.

And all the while, central banks everywhere will err on the side of inflation, by creating more and more money to chase fewer and fewer goods.

Stay the course with your natural resource investments. They have paid off, and they will continue to pay off.

Best wishes,

Larry

 

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EUR/USD at 1.46...

reached my target of 1.47 yesterday...

im taking profits.. out of this position... havent looked at charts yet.. but gotta take nice profits while its still there....

mwa hahaha hahaha ahahha


 
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to all ppl that believe in Doom n Gloom for USA economy

a good article in nytimes

for full article goto
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/magazine/17pessimist-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Dr. Doom

Published: August 15, 2008

On Sept. 7, 2006, Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University, stood before an audience of economists at the International Monetary Fund and announced that a crisis was brewing. In the coming months and years, he warned, the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession. He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners defaulting on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities unraveling worldwide and the global financial system shuddering to a halt. These developments, he went on, could cripple or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The audience seemed skeptical, even dismissive. As Roubini stepped down from the lectern after his talk, the moderator of the event quipped, “I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that.” People laughed — and not without reason. At the time, unemployment and inflation remained low, and the economy, while weak, was still growing, despite rising oil prices and a softening housing market. And then there was the espouser of doom himself: Roubini was known to be a perpetual pessimist, what economists call a “permabear.” When the economist Anirvan Banerji delivered his response to Roubini’s talk, he noted that Roubini’s predictions did not make use of mathematical models and dismissed his hunches as those of a career naysayer.

But Roubini was soon vindicated. In the year that followed, subprime lenders began entering bankruptcy, hedge funds began going under and the stock market plunged. There was declining employment, a deteriorating dollar, ever-increasing evidence of a huge housing bust and a growing air of panic in financial markets as the credit crisis deepened. By late summer, the Federal Reserve was rushing to the rescue, making the first of many unorthodox interventions in the economy, including cutting the lending rate by 50 basis points and buying up tens of billions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities. When Roubini returned to the I.M.F. last September, he delivered a second talk, predicting a growing crisis of solvency that would infect every sector of the financial system. This time, no one laughed. “He sounded like a madman in 2006,” recalls the I.M.F. economist Prakash Loungani, who invited Roubini on both occasions. “He was a prophet when he returned in 2007.”...................................................................

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 I think US economy is fundamentally sound.  There is a healthy correction in housing prices and taming of credit markets. For investors these are good times if  you have cash in hand to invest.
In the long run stock market should rebound pretty well. I am not sure about the dollar but the decline  should be steady. The continuation of globalisation might expose the poverty in US but it is an indespensable part of any economy. The upcoming presidential nominrr will be seen as a key to future direction.


 
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 Despite facing a stagnant housing market, and rising unemployment  economic growth picked up to 1.9 percent in the spring quarter, aided by a boom in exports and a small boost to consumer spending from tax rebates.
 
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Felt like coming back into this thread and see if my gloom and doom outlook were in line with the whole mess...Damn, if only I had shorted the markets like crazy then (when my anaysis was dead on target).  LOLs  All those who believed that the economy was still on a path to recovery back in July/Aug, I hope you now see that we are in a Depression like scenario and the economic indicators and forecasts we get readings/results on every day proves we are going to be stuck within this distressful quagmire for a LONG azz period in time.  It helps in being an optimist at times but that was just a totally wrong time to be one.

In layman's terms (since everyone knows the Dow), Back in July/Aug when I started this thread, the Dow was around 11,900...It went down to 7,500 a few days ago.  A loss of 37% in just  span of 3+ months.  The spiral is still enroute to continue downwards and as per doomsday analysts, by 2012, putting food on the table would be a bigger issue than buying gifts for the holidays.  Not a good sign at all.  As far as I observe, it looks like consumerism has seen the last of its days...Too bad for Detroit and the Banks who delved into a million other products instead of specializing and surviving. 

Nevertheless, I still want to see a miracle happen and see the economy come skyrocketing from the nadirs it currently is in.  Geithner's da man...Atleast, I hope he will turn out to be!!

 

Below is more reading for the cats on SB whom I told to invest in Gold around the beginning of last week for the long run...Hope you were there then.  Looks like everyone's caught onto it now (and more will once they read the below article from today).  Its too late to jump into the band-wagon now but still, try and buy it on dips.  That would be the best way to still play yourslef into the game without losing out in the sidelines...As all traders prolly know that Being Right in your analysis and not being able to get into a trade that makes money is worse than being totally wrong about the trade and losing double.

 

 

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Financial Mayhem to Fuel Gold's Next Surge?
by Sean Brodrick

Dear Subscriber,

Sean Brodrick

Last week, I wrote about how our oil-rich friends in the Middle East are buying gold hand over fist. It turns out they're not the only ones. The latest figures from the World Gold Council show a frenzy of activity in the most recent quarter.

And gold ended last week with a bullish move to the upside that set off "buy" alarm bells for technical traders around the world.

But you know what? I think the best is yet to come for gold. Because it's likely that the WORST is yet to come for the U.S. economy.

And these economic forces could send investors charging even faster into gold just as fundamental forces also align for a move much higher.

I'll get to some of those fundamentals in just a bit. First, let's look at what Washington's insane clown posse is doing to make gold look good.

I Remember When a Trillion
Dollars Was Real Money

1) The Fed Pledges $7.2 Trillion of YOUR Money. Bloomberg News reports that the U.S. government is prepared to lend more than $7.4 trillion — approximately half the value of everything produced in the nation last year — to rescue the financial system, which has been in cardiac arrest since the credit markets seized up.

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How much is that? The pledged money is equal to $24,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. And $2.8 trillion of that has already been spent, according to Bloomberg.

Now brace yourself for the bad news ...

2) The Government Has Already Spent $4.3 Trillion Bailing Out Wall Street. According to CNBC, as of last week, the Federal government had already spent $4.3 trillion in bailouts, from $900 billion for the Term Auction Facility ... to $112 billion bailing out AIG ... to $540 billion backing up Money Market funds ... to $700 billion for the Treasury Asset Relief Program (TARP), and more.

$4.3 trillion — that's more than America spent on World War II, adjusted for inflation. And it's all going down a black hole created by Wall Street bankers.

The Federal government has already spent $4.3 TRILLION in bailouts and has hardly made a dent in the financial crisis.
The Federal government has already spent $4.3 TRILLION in bailouts and has hardly made a dent in the financial crisis.

All that money has to come from somewhere. Investors are stuffing their money into Treasuries with no yield, and the government still has to go out and borrow more. The U.S. Treasury is on course to borrow $1.5 trillion this year, and it's still not enough! Next year's budget deficit will easily top $1 trillion; more than double this year's deficit.

The overall impact of what the bailout will cost ultimately should be very negative for the U.S. dollar ... and that should be bullish for gold.

3) Wall Street Is Probably Going to Need $Trillions More! The financial crisis is really the death of a thousand cuts. Let's take the Citigroup fiasco as an example. You may have heard that Citigroup is getting a $20 billion equity injection on top of the $25 billion it got in October.

But Citi will also carve out $300 billion in troubled assets, which will remain on its balance sheet.

  • The first $37-$40 billion in losses on those assets will go to Citi.

  • The next $5 billion in losses will hit Treasury.

  • The next $10 billion in losses will go to the FDIC.

  • Any more losses will go to the Fed.

These assets are crap-tacularly bad, so basically Uncle Sam is on the hook for another $260 billion in assets, in addition to the $45 billion in liquidity poured onto the desert of Citi's balance sheet.

And do you notice that the clowns on Wall Street are balking at giving Detroit a $25 billion bridge loan to save America's auto industry (and prevent a chain of dominos as all of the Big Three's suppliers, finance units and vendors go belly up) but Citi — a zombie of a bank that is probably lurching towards failure — gets $45 billion without even a debate.

That brings me to point #4 ...

#4) Obama's Administration: More of the Same? Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson has set the bar pretty low as he limbos past barriers of logic and fairness to bail out his fat-cat friends. So you might think that the new administration, and Obama's nomination for Treasury Secretary, New York Fed President Tim Geithner, would be a welcome change from the crony capitalism at work now.

The widely respected Big Picture blog has a post by institutional risk analyst Chris Whalen titled: "What Barack Obama Needs to Know About Tim Geithner, the AIG Fiasco and Citigroup." I highly recommend you read Whalen's post. He makes the following point:

By embracing Geithner, President-elect Barack Obama is endorsing the ill-advised scheme to support AIG directed by Hank Paulson et al at Goldman Sachs and executed by Tim Geithner and Ben Bernanke. News reports have already documented the ties between GS and AIG, and the backroom machinations by Paulson to get the deal done. This scheme to stay AIG's resolution cannot possibly work and when it does collapse, Barak Obama and his administration will wear the blame due through their endorsement of Tim Geithner.

Read the whole thing. If Whalen is right, the crisis of confidence already shaking the financial markets is nothing compared to the tsunami of trouble that will follow.

Is Tim Geithner – President-Elect Obama's choice for Treasury Secretary – a welcome change or more of the same?
Is Tim Geithner – President-Elect Obama's choice for Treasury Secretary – a welcome change or more of the same?

And What If the Doom-Sayers Are Wrong?

I'd be happy — very happy — if financial calamity is averted. But then we'll still have to deal with a system thrown off balance by trillions of dollars in newly created money. The hundreds of billions of dollars in a new stimulus package for Main Street — Obama's job #1 when he gets into office — will be icing on the inflationary cake. Once you start flooding money into the system, it's very difficult to know when to stop. We are in deflation now, sure, but I think government-fueled inflation is sure to follow.

That Brings Us to Gold
And the Dollar

The U.S. dollar has its problems, but so far it has been winning a beauty contest in a leper colony. Emerging markets are falling into a ditch. Europe's economy is in the tank — Germany's business climate has dropped to the lowest level in over 15 years — and the European Central Bank will probably lower its benchmark interest rate by at least 75 basis points at its next meeting on December 4.

So far, the U.S. dollar has not been shaken by the massive amounts of bailout and stimulus money that Washington is throwing at America's problems. But again, $7.4 trillion is real money. And the financial world may be waking up to the fact that, no matter how many hundreds of billions of dollars you throw at companies like AIG and Citigroup, it's good money after bad.

Last week, the euro/U.S. dollar currency pair barely budged even as stocks sold off sharply. This is a change from recent months, when the euro had come under pressure as equities sold off.

I don't think the mighty U.S. dollar's bull run is over. But the U.S. dollar could move lower as it consolidates its recent gains.

And downward pressure on the U.S. dollar would only add to upward pressure on gold, powered by fundamentals.

Gold's Fundamentals Are
Shining Even Brighter

I covered some of those bullish fundamentals last week, including new and massive buying in the Middle East, rising demand for gold in China in the first six months of the year, and a downward trend in global gold mine production.

And just last week, we got the latest third-quarter figures on global gold demand from the World Gold Council. Here are some of the highlights ...

  • Global demand rose 18% to 1,133.4 metric tonnes from 963.3 tonnes a year earlier.

  • In dollar terms, the jump in demand was even bigger. Dollar demand for gold reached an all time quarterly record of $32 billion in the third quarter, a whopping 45% higher than the previous record ... set in the second quarter.

  • Identifiable investment, which includes purchases through exchange traded funds and of bars and coins, climbed 56% year over year to 382.1 tonnes.

  • Retail investment blasted off. It rose 121% to 232 tonnes in the third quarter, with strong bar and coin buying reported in Swiss, German and U.S. markets. Gold inflows into ETFs surged to a record 150 tonnes. Gold ETFs added to their treasure troves at a rate that was 7.5% higher than the second quarter and up 31% from a year earlier.

  • Jewelry demand gained 7.6% to $18 billion. Jewelry demand in India soared by 65% in dollar terms. The Middle East, China and Indonesia all saw jewelry demand in dollar terms rise by 40% (10% to 15% in tonnage terms).

  • Sales to India, the world's largest gold consumer and jewelry buyer, jumped 29% to 249.5 tonnes from 190.8 tonnes. Meanwhile, demand increased by 18% in China and 15% in the Middle East.

If there was a party pooper for gold, it was the United States. U.S. demand for gold jewelry dropped 9% in value and 29% in tonnage terms. Great Britain also saw its demand slacken by 5% in value and 26% in tonnage terms.

In all, global consumer demand for gold rose 31% from a year earlier to 250 metric tonnes.

So we have this combination of forces: Powerful fundamentals on the one hand, and the potential for more financial chaos on the other. Put them together and you can see that gold could go much higher.

Gold's fundamentals and the potential for more financial chaos make the yellow metal your best bet for profits going forward.

Gold's fundamentals and the potential for more financial chaos make the yellow metal your best bet for profits going forward.

I'd expect some overhead resistance around $900 an ounce. If gold can break through that level, it could be on a rocket ride for the New Year.

Add Some Leverage
To Your Gold Picks

Gold's path higher will not be a straight line. In fact, I expect some corrections that could knock the yellow metal right on its shiny butt. But that's short term. Longer term, gold should march higher.

The way things are going in Washington, I like physical gold, and silver, too. Certainly, with the holidays around the corner, gold is the gift you don't have to make excuses for ... and, as the old timers remind us, it can always pay your way to sneak past the border guards.

Last week, I talked about two funds that hold physical gold, the SPDR Gold Shares ETF (GLD) and the Barclays iShares Comex Gold Trust (IAU). They are fixed at 1/10th the price of gold, minus a small amount to account for fees.

That means if gold is trading at $800 an ounce, you can buy the GLD or the IAU for about $80. And they are backed up by gold bullion in a vault.

To them, I would add the PowerShares DB Gold Double Long ETN (DGP). It targets TWICE the return of the Deutsche Bank Gold Index, or basically twice the short-term percentage move in gold.

In these fast and furious markets, a leveraged fund is not for the faint of heart. But it can give you extra firepower for when gold takes off to the upside.

Yours for trading profits,

Sean


 
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USD still in speculation to get stronger due to the even worse state the the EU is in...One thing that still defies all fundamentals: Why is the JPY still so damn strong?  IMO, the massive interventions that the Japanese Reserve Bank did back in the days is coming to haunt them now...Its the US Feds' turn now to save Detroit and artificially inflate the JPY so that Toyota/Honda/etc would not appeal as much financially anymore to the global car buyers.  As in theories, anything's possible in this current depression scenario we're mired in, so I surely cannot rule even the whackiest theory that anyone may have being wrong.

 

Dear Subscriber,

Fortunately for us, U.S. banks loaned only $500 billion to emerging markets over the past few years.  Japanese banks loaned them less; only $200 billion.

But European banks loaned them a whopping $3.5 trillion — five times more than the U.S. and Japan combined. Amazingly, the loans to those countries were so large they're the equivalent of a whopping 21% of their Eurozone's total GDP, according to Bank for International Settlements. And when you look at individual countries, the numbers are even larger:

  • In Sweden, banks loaned an amount equal to 25% of that country's GDP ...

  • Swiss banks loaned the equivalent of 50% — fully HALF — of Switzerland's total GDP ...

  • And Austrian banks loaned an amount equal to 85% that nation's GDP — with 80% going to the countries in Eastern Europe that are now suffering the greatest economic pain of all!

Now, these emerging markets are being squeezed mercilessly. Investors are fleeing. Credit is as rare as hens' teeth. Exports are slumping and income is vanishing. In fact, not one but TWO major crises are now hammering these emerging nations:

First, sinking exports. Over the last few years, the historic economic growth in emerging markets like Ukraine, South Korea, the Czech Republic, Poland, and others was driven almost entirely by demand for their exports from the U.S. and Europe.

Now, with the U.S. and Eurozone economies sliding, that demand has started to evaporate. And because these countries have little domestic demand to drive their economies, they've suddenly been thrown into a struggle for their very survival.

Second, plunging oil. As the economic crisis has slashed oil prices by nearly two-thirds, oil-producing emerging nations — Russia, Venezuela, Ecudor and others — are suddenly starving for cash to pay their bills.

Combined, these two events are now conspiring to set off a chain reaction that will bring the biggest creditors to these emerging markets — such as Europe and the UK — to their knees.

Tiny Ecuador: The Canary in the Coal Mine

When the history books are written, two key dates will be cited as moments when critical warnings were clearly telegraphed, duly recorded and promptly ignored until it was too late:

Key Date #1: Thursday, November 13. Nineteen days ago, the government of Ecuador failed to pay interest on bonds it had sold to investors. Citing plunging oil revenues, the government postponed its interest payments for a full month.

Key Date #2: Monday, December 15. Thirteen days from today, Ecuador must make those interest payments plus interest for the month of November. If it fails — if Ecuador defaults on its government bonds — it could be the first domino in a chain reaction of government debt defaults that will sweep the globe.

Is Ecuador a big player? Of course not. But it's merely the first one.

As you read this, governments throughout Asia and Europe are facing similar circumstances: Foreign demand for the products they produce is virtually non-existent ... their own citizens are unable to buy the products their factories produce ... and even oil producing nations are starving for cash as energy prices crater.

Russia is now begging China for a $25 billion loan to save its cash-strapped energy companies. Its foreign currency reserves have plunged $122.7 billion — a full 21% — in just 3 ½ months. Foreign investors are stampeding for the exits.

A few days ago, leaders from 21 nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and three other international organizations attended an emergency, two-day summit to address the catastrophe among emerging nations. Japan pledged $100 billion for emergency loans to the governments of South Korea, India, Indonesia and other economies and urged other potential donor nations to do the same.

Now, as these once-emerging countries sink into depression, those loans are beginning to go sour. European banks are ALREADY getting hammered for huge loan losses — and investors who own their shares are ALREADY getting slammed. My forecast: You're going to see ...

  1. Huge loan defaults in emerging markets like Ecuador, Hungary, Ukraine, and Argentina ...

  2. Massive losses and even outright failures among Europe's largest banks ...

  3. Panic selling on stock exchanges throughout the Eurozone ...

  4. A massive flight to safety — OUT of euros ...

  5. Windfall profits for investors who know how to profit from the euro's plunge.

 


 
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Thank you Samsara bro for bringing out this topic.

Firstly, the bail out has hit staggering $8.5 Trillion according to the Bloomberg. Yea so please don't be stuck with the initial $800 billion dollars.

Finally some people are now waking upto the reality. I was called a kook and conspiracy theorist back when I was supporting Dr. Ron Paul who was running for president. I was on top of my lungs asking my American counterparts to vote for Dr. Paul and help him abolish the Federal Reserve, to bring back the Gold Standard and eliminate the debt based fiat currency like Dr. Paul wanted. The root cause of the current crisis is none but the Federal Reserve.

Long time ago I understood the Money Mechanics of the private central bank - the Federal Reserve, how they create money out of thin air, loan that money to the U.S government and collect the interest rate through our INCOME TAX but the Principal always remained as a debt and all these money goes back straight back to the International Bankers who owns the Fed. I learned that how Fed can inflate and deflate the economy by controlling the Interest rate and the price (ironically my brainwashing Kenyesian Economics degree taught me that it was all good and that Fed was a Government Institution.). Until Bretton woods, the U.S still had currency backed by Gold but scumbag Richard Nixon unilaterally closed the Bretton woods system in 1971.

Now, they are setting a Global Central Banking System and possibly a one world currency, just another step toward the one world government. Everything has been engineered. Nothing was coincidental or accidental. You just have to look back and study how the Great Depresion of 1929 was orcastreted. Please don't go and read wikipedia to find out what happen in 1929. I suggest you read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" for the real insight. International Bankers and their minions will fulfill their dream of New World Order.

Yes, Gold and Silver is the real money, not the fiat dollar. Buy gold. The U.S dollar will go down the drain within few years like in the Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe. The Iranians just bought some 75 billion worth of gold !! Saudis are into it.

Martial law and the Police State is the beginning of the end in USA. How many of you know that 3000 U.S soldier is currently deployed within USA under NorthCom and that additional 20000 U.S soldier will be deployed  for Homeland Security within 2011, violating the Posse Comitatus Act. Obama is promising 1 million civilian army ! They all know about the impeding riots that will hit the streets of US, once the people wake up what's going on in this country. USA is turning into third world country. Atleast we Nepalese are accustomed to living in such world.

I am not in a position to invest in gold. I will probably be standing on a food ration line in Manhattan in 2012, unfortunately.

Please watch this very important video that I posted.  Good luck and good night !

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Nassy Nas, my free market brother in arms (not of the pics u post though ).  Yeah, 700Billion in economics terms would defn be more than that.  Taking the money multiplier into effect, it could be 9 times as much and some economists say that the MM effect could be as high as 11.  That means we can expect the bail out to exponetially rise to the tune of around 6.3 to 7.7 Trillion!!  And now with the auto-industry bailout looming we can expect the Real figure to easily topple 10 Trillion!!!  BTW, Congress will surely pass the auto bailout...It's just a matter of WHEN.  Who on earth would let millions of jobs in the auto industry and the businesses that depend on this industry to flounder?  Detroit alone is expected to lose around 1.1 million jobs if the Big 3 files for bankruptcy protection. 

More woes for the EUR and good news for our Nepali brethren who send remittance back home...The USD though over-bought in the short term, I believe that it still has all the technicals to support its uptrend and continue gaining steam as per its current momentum (the trend has clearly changed now).  Just 4 months ago, 1 USD = 62 NPR, today, its 80 NPR.  At this rate, a 90 is not an impossible target anymore.  Read the below and manage your USD shorts or it could bite you in the azz hard!!

 

Euro set to weaken substantially
by Jack Crooks

Dear Subscriber,

jack Crooks

There's been a strong move against the U.S. dollar this week. But am I envious of the euro right now? Definitely not.

Technically the dollar is extremely overbought. So I expect a decent, near-term correction upward in the euro. However, according to my analysis, the euro is set to weaken substantially against the U.S. dollar over the next several months.

That view is based on three long-term global economic themes in place that should continue to hammer away at the Eurozone economy and expose the flaws in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism.

Threat to the Euro #1:
Certain emerging European economies, not already part of the European Monetary Union (EMU), are looking at the euro and kicking themselves.

Why?

Before a country can adopt the Euro, it must gain acceptance into the Eurozone.
Before a country can adopt the Euro, it must gain acceptance into the Eurozone.

They didn't make the effort to adopt the euro as their currency of choice.

You see, a country must first gain acceptance into the Eurozone before it can adopt the euro.

And back when everything across emerging markets was all hunky-dory, acceptance would have been relatively painless. Growth wasn't a concern. Yet emerging nations stuck with their existing currencies, which had no trouble maintaining or even gaining value.

But times are changing. Global demand is waning. And some economies in Central and Eastern Europe are wailing for help. Their lopsided growth model — over-reliant on global capital and under-reliant on domestic demand — is keeling over on them. And their currencies can't support the unexpected weight.

Here's a comment from someone who agrees with me: Andras Simor, president of the Hungarian Central Bank, said recently, "Hungary's scope for interest rate cuts is limited because of the risk of a very significant devaluation of the forint."

So it's no surprise to me why the average Hungarian citizen would rather be holding the euro instead of the forint.

The specter of the Central European countries being inducted into the system has many worried, including me.

Some analysts have looked at the recent clamoring by Central European economies to adopt the euro as a sign the Eurozone is becoming a safe haven.

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True. Relative to Central Europe, the larger countries in the Eurozone are safe. But, this excerpt from a recent story carried in Bloomberg sums up the dilemma the Eurozone is facing:

"The dilemma for the European Central Bank (ECB) is that, while the desire to join the euro region is greater, qualifying is becoming harder: Membership requires countries to meet targets for inflation, budgets, currencies and interest rates — a tall order in the middle of a recession.

"Allowances have been made before. Greece assumed membership in 2001 on data that proved to be fudged. Inflation rebounded in Slovenia after it joined last year.

"'The consequences of similar compromises would be greater now,' says Paul Donovan, an economist at UBS AG in London. 'Enlargement would expose the euro area to more bank failures and make it harder to manage a one-size-fits-all monetary policy.

"'While smaller countries outside the euro are more willing to join as a result of the crisis, the rest of the euro zone may be less willing to contemplate their admittance,' he says.

"'A widening gap between the region's weakest and strongest economies would add to concern about a breakup. Harvard's Feldstein says individual nations could still leave the euro bloc if they find monetary policy too tight or fiscal rules too onerous.

"'The global economic crisis provides a severe test of the euro's ability to survive in more troubled times,' he wrote in a column last month. He said the growing gap between interest rates on German bonds and on those of more heavily indebted Italy suggests investors 'regard a breakup as a real possibility.' The gap, or spread, has more than quadrupled in a year to 1.4 percentage points."

No doubt acceptance into the union is the best path for developing nations of Central Europe. But acceptance of these countries and the impact on the euro are quite another thing.

Threat to the Euro #2:
Eurozone's Banks Overexposed to Risk

Even without the additional baggage of adopting Central European developing countries, Europe is already tied tightly to them through its huge exposure throughout the zone's banks.

Among Eurozone member countries, Austrian banks happen to be the most overexposed to emerging market loans. In fact, their current level of exposure sits around a staggering 85% of their GDP.

I don't think the global economy will find a way to rebound quickly. That means this massive exposure has the potential to wreak havoc on Austrian banks ... as well as those in a similar but somewhat less severe position.

Austria recognizes the kind of trouble they could be in for, so they may look to the EMU for assistance. But not all members may want to come to Austria's aid.

So while it's a major concern, the EMU lacks credible cross-border policies to handle such problems. And should EMU officials flounder, they could end up reading requests from members asking to get out of the deal.

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The result: An unstable monetary union that absolutely cannot be good for the euro.

Threat to the Euro #3:
Rattled Consumers Will Need
Some Serious Time to Heal ...

The fallout from the credit crisis is making people think twice about handing over their hard-earned cash. Part and parcel to the downfall of Emerging Market growth models is the developing trend (in the developed world) towards saving. Gone are the days when consumers were willing to dish out cash for any old item.

Households are being hit on all types of investments they've made, including real estate, stock purchases, insurance, etc. This undermines consumer wealth and hugely influences confidence and behavior.

Martin explained very well what these deflationary forces might mean in his Money and Markets column on Monday.

There's little doubt consumers are pulling back on their spending rather quickly. The numbers are there to prove it. And there's a major divergence that proves a change in attitude. Even while disposable income has been rising at a healthy pace over the last couple quarters, consumption is falling. As an economist would say, the marginal propensity to consume is declining.

The reserve currency most often benefits in a deflationary environment.
The reserve currency most often benefits in a deflationary environment.

This is why I believe the fundamentals globally won't change quickly. The frivolous spending and insatiable appetite for stuff won't return after a few banks get plucked out of the water, or the Big Three get a handout, or people start slaving over superfluous bridges and aqueducts. Rattled consumers need time to lick their wounds. And deflation is currently the bigger near-term threat.

The reserve currency most often benefits in such a deflationary environment. This is why I expect we'll see the U.S. dollar benefit and the euro suffer.

Best wishes,

Jack


 
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A must read for anyone still trynna know whats going on with the economy.  The below article touches into every asset class/financial products out there and the interviewee even goes on to say we're headed towards more asset destruction to come about.  The only hedge: USD.  Look for it to continue heading upwards as compared to other currencies.

And for the folks whom I talked on SB 2 weeks ago, even the below article from TODAY mentions about how the market dynamics have completely changed and what seemed like the way to go until 2-3 months ago (and was the same for the past 10+ yrs) does not hold true anymore.  We're in a different dimension now.  And for all you wannbe homebuyers who think that the market is too cheap or those stock gurus who wanna preach that this is the best time to invest into equities, well, you're surely not taking into account that the mess could get worse and price destuction could continue even further (I'm glad I have something to show in writing and theory below to corroborate my sayings in SB then).  Things may look cheap today and with no one really knowing how further deep the CDS and mortgage woes really are, I see that everything stands to get cheaper tomorrow.  I'd put a hold on all my investment activities for atleast a year or until I see some clear change in the dynamics again.

The article from TODAY:

 

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Gala Issue: Biggest Sea Change of Our Lifetime!
by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

Dear Subscriber,

Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

The Fed, the Treasury and all major governments on the planet are throwing the kitchen sink at this debt crisis.

But their efforts are being overwhelmed by a monumental sea change — the shift from rising prices to falling prices, from booming asset values to crashing asset values, from wealth creation to wealth destruction, from inflation to deflation.

For my entire lifetime, and probably yours as well, we have been living with inflation — sometimes tame, sometimes rampant — but consistently eroding the purchasing power of our dollar.

Inflation pervaded every money decision we made or thought about making, every retirement plan or business model. Inflation was factored into our leases, our employment contracts, our budgets, our investment programs.

Now, all of that is changing; and it's doing so dramatically! Suddenly, the polar opposite of inflation is taking hold in America: Deflation!

Rapid Commodity Price Deflation.

Suddenly, prices are plummeting — not just for real estate, but also for automobiles, appliances, clothing and gasoline.

From peaks reached just a few months ago to the latest bottoms, the price of oil has plunged 73% ... copper has fallen 66% ... lead and nickel are down 73% ... platinum is down 66% ... and wheat is off 64%.

Even the government's slow-to-change, lagging index of inflation — the CPI — has caved in to deflation, falling by the most since the government first introduced the index in 1946.

These are not numbers that denote less inflation. They are hard evidence of outright deflation!

This is crucial for you: If you continue investing as you did in inflationary times, you risk losing almost everything. However, if you acknowledge this historic shift and make the right moves now, you'll have the opportunity to build substantial wealth.

This inflation-deflation switch is turning the entire world of investments upside down and inside out.

It means you must consider the grave new dangers deflation brings your portfolio and, at the same time, the unique new opportunities deflation gives you to grow your wealth.

This past week, during our Deflation Survival Briefing, I covered both topics with Jack Crooks, the only currency expert I'm aware of who, unlike his peers, not only warned unambiguously about deflation but also has a unique way to profit from the deflation.

I assume you attended the event online from start to finish. At times, however, the sound may have been unclear, and I apologize. So here's an edited transcript for your convenience. It's a double-length gala issue especially for you, my way of underscoring the vital importance of this sea change.

Deflation Survival Briefing
with Martin D. Weiss and Jack Crooks
(Edited Transcript)

Martin D. Weiss and Jack Crooks

Martin Weiss: Jack, the division of labor I've mapped out is this: I will focus on the dangers and protective strategies; you can focus on the opportunities and profit strategies.

Jack Crooks: That makes sense, but I think it's pretty obvious what the dangers are.

Martin: Specifically, you're referring to ...

Jack: Losing money. Losing a lot of money. Deflation means most asset prices go down. When asset prices go down, anyone who owns those assets loses money. It's that simple.

Martin: What most people don't seem to grasp is how much money — the sheer magnitude of the losses. But the Fed just released the numbers, and I want to show them to you. I want you to see for yourself the amazing drama that literally bursts from these pages.

On the Web, just go to Flow of Funds, pdf page 113. From this table, I've pulled out the main numbers to walk you through this step by step, because it's probably the most important set of facts you've seen — or will see — for a long time:

Currency traders sent the dollar into a nosedive a few days after the Fed's announcement.
The Fed tracks five key sectors that go into household wealth: real estate, corporate equities, mutual fund shares, life insurance and pension fund reserves, plus equity in noncorporate businesses. Now let me show you how the wealth destruction is spreading throughout the U.S. economy.

First quarter 2007: Every single wealth sector is still growing, except one — real estate. This $53 billion loss in real estate is a time and place that will go down in history as the great turning point of our era.

Second quarter 2007: Another $190 billion in real estate wealth destroyed.

Third quarter 2007: Households suffer a whopping $496 billion in losses — nearly 10 times as much as in the first quarter.

Fourth quarter 2007: The wealth destruction spreads to nearly all other sectors. Households lose $708 billion in real estate, the most in history. Plus, they lose $377 billion in stocks, $145 billion in mutual funds, $265 billion in their life insurance and pension reserves.

First quarter 2008: The carnage deepens. Households lose $911 billion in stocks, $297 billion in mutual funds and $832 billion in insurance and pension fund reserves. Plus, the losses spread to the last major sector, equity in noncorporate businesses.

Second quarter 2008: The Bush economic stimulus package kicks in, and it slows down the pace a bit. But the hemorrhaging continues. Not one single sector recovers.

Third quarter 2008: Earth-shattering losses across the board, with households losing ...

  1. ANOTHER $647 billion in real estate

  2. $922 billion in corporate equities

  3. $523 billion in mutual funds

  4. $653 billion in insurance and pension fund reserves

  5. $128 billion in noncorporate businesses

Grand total: Nearly $2.9 trillion in losses — the worst in recorded history.

Grand total lost over the past year: $7.2 trillion.

Jack: And this is not just a bunch of numbers. It's a hard-nosed reality that almost everyone is up against.

Martin: Absolutely! At the peak of the housing boom, one of our associates had his home appraised at $1.4 million. Three weeks ago, he had it appraised again and it was down around $700,000. That's a 50% decline. And it's not just the high end of the market. In May 2005, another home in our area sold for $175,000; now it's listed at Realtor.com for only $64,000.

Jack: People think that since home values have already fallen so far, they must be near a bottom.

Martin: I don't agree with that view. Most of the price declines we've seen so far merely represent a recognition that the peak prices of the mid-2000s were a fantasy built upon "Frankenstein Financing" — wildly speculative credit terms such as option ARMs and liar loans. The hard-core declines in housing, driven by basic things like recession and unemployment, are just now getting under way.

Jack: How much further do you see home prices falling?

Martin: My personal opinion is that that over half of the declines are still ahead. That applies not only to housing, but also to commercial properties; not only to real estate, but also to stocks and other assets. Consumer prices just began to fall in October. Outright contractions in the economy are just now getting under way. Deflation is still in its early stages. The wealth destruction has a long way to go.

Jack: You call this wealth destruction and I don't deny the validity of that term. But another way to describe it is rampant deflation. Deflation in the value of real estate and other investments, deflation in energy, deflation at the car dealer and deflation at every mall. In each and every sector that you've described, the U.S. dollar buys more.

Martin: That's the positive side of the story. But whatever you call it, these numbers don't lie. You can see with your own eyes that it's massive and that it's spreading throughout the entire economy.

Jack: Martin, all this raises some urgent questions in my mind and probably in the minds of our readers as well. First, can the government offset this massive destruction of wealth with more bailouts, more Fed actions and gigantic economic stimulus packages?

Martin: They can buy some time or they can slow down the process temporarily, as they did in the second quarter of 2008, for example. But still, my answer is a flat NO! Not even Washington can print enough money fast enough to halt this deflationary spiral; it's just too huge. And all the printing press money in the world won't do much if it's not lent or spent.

Bottom line: No matter which companies Washington bails out, this is a house of cards. It's coming down. And you must get out if its way.

Jack: Still, a lot of people have big expectations for President-elect Obama's stimulus package starting next year.

Martin: The highest estimates for the Obama stimulus package are $1 trillion. But even if it's that big, it's still small in contrast to the wealth destruction we're already seeing. And it's going to take a couple of years before all of that money reaches Americans. By that time, trillions more in wealth could be lost.

Jack: Every economist I read likes to leave some wiggle room for future butt-covering, just in case they turn out to be wrong. But you're not pulling any punches, are you? Why is that?

Martin: It's not needed in this situation — because of the sheer enormity and speed of the wealth destruction: $7.2 trillion just through over the past year. In contrast, the Trouble Asset Relief Program (TARP) is $700 billion. So these losses are already ten times more than the entire bailout program.

Let's compare how much is being lost vs. what the government is doing to offset it. Here's the progression we just saw:

Wealth Destruction Accelerates
  • $1.5 trillion lost in the fourth quarter of 2007

  • $2.7 trillion lost in the first quarter of 2008

  • $630 billion lost in the second quarter of 2008

  • $2.9 trillion in the third quarter

Now, let me demonstrate why the government's efforts are unable to offset this wealth destruction. Congress has authorized $700 billion for TARP. But the Treasury Department reports that in the fourth quarter, only $330 billion has been committed so far.

Jack: Committed or actually disbursed?

Martin: Committed.

Jack: The ol' check-in-the-mail routine, eh?

Martin: Yes. But let's assume the $330 billion is already at the banks. And let's say that in the first quarter of 2009, they are able to disburse all of the rest. That's still minuscule in comparison to the wealth destruction.

Jack: Meanwhile, the wealth destruction continues.

Martin: Right. We don't know how much. But let's assume the wealth destruction does not decelerate or accelerate. Let's just assume it continues at the same pace.

Government unable to offset wealth destruction

Here's what it would look like. Moreover, most of the money being funneled to the banks is not reaching consumers and businesses. Instead, it's sitting idle at the banks, to rebuild their capital, to try to offset all the losses they've sustained.

Jack: How much of the TARP money are the banks actually lending out?

Martin: We don't know.

Jack: Isn't this why Congress is so ticked off, trying to find a way to force the banks to lend out the TARP money?

Martin: Yes. But it's a tough sell. The banks are going broke. They're being asked to lend it to borrowers, who they fear will also go broke. So the resistance is great. But even if you assume that Congress can force the Treasury Department to, in turn, force the banks to loan out some fraction of the TARP money, it would still be only a fraction of the total TARP funds.

Jack: A drop in the bucket.

Power of Deflation

Martin: Absolutely! The huge red areas in this chart represent the tremendous power of deflation. The small black areas represent the impotence of government to offset the deflation.

The power of deflation is hundreds of times larger than the government's ability to counteract it. This is why the U.S. government was not able to prevent deflation in the 1930s. And it's also why the Japanese government was unable to prevent its deflation in the 1990s.

Jack: Still, most people think the government can just print more money at will. They're now talking about a total bill of $8.5 trillion. Your numbers don't seem to account for that.

Martin: Because those bigger numbers are almost entirely guarantees and swaps — not net new money added to the economy. Plus, please bear in mind one more thing: The wealth destruction we've been discussing today does not include the losses by financial institutions, corporations and governments.

Jack: Good point. But let me go to the second major question I get from readers: What's causing this and when will it end?

Martin: What's perpetuating the deflation is excess debts. Look. Debts were usually bearable. As long as people had the income to make their payments — or as long as they could borrow from Peter to pay Paul — they could keep piling up more debt, and life went on. Deflation alone is also not so bad. It makes homes more affordable, college education more accessible, and basic necessities of life cheaper.

Jack: But when you put debts and deflation together ...

Martin: That's when things fall apart! That's when you get not only wealth destruction but DEBT destruction.

Jack: And we have evidence of that as well, I presume.

Martin: Yes, undeniable, smoking-gun evidence. For decades, we've almost always seen more debt piled up quarter after quarter, year after year. But then, beginning in the third quarter of 2007, all that changed. For the first time, we saw massive debt liquidation — debt destruction.

It started in the commercial paper market, where corporations issue short-term corporate IOUs to borrow in massive amounts: In the third quarter of 2007, instead of growing as it almost always has, commercial paper was being liquidated at a rapid pace. That was the canary in the coal mine.

Jack: And now?

Martin: Now the debt liquidation has spread: In addition to the liquidation of commercial paper, we're seeing massive debt liquidation in mortgages and corporate bonds.

Jack: How big?

Debt Collapse in Mortgages

Martin: The biggest ever in recorded history. Look at mortgages! The Fed reports how much in new mortgages are created each quarter at an annual rate. Ever since you and I were born, all we've even seen is net new growth in mortgages. That's how it was when we were growing up, that's how it was in recent years, and that's what we saw in the third quarter of 2007. See?

Jack: $1,005 billion.

Martin: Yes. Net net, after all mortgage paydowns, new mortgages were added at the rate of $1,005 billion per year. Almost the same in the fourth quarter of 2007.

But then look: First quarter 2008 — $539 billion. Second quarter 2008 — new mortgages begin to vanish from the market. Yet, up until this point, we're just talking about a credit crunch.

Jack: In other words, less new credit.

Martin: Yes, and that's already a powerful deflationary force: Most people can't get mortgages. So they can't buy. Since there are few buyers, prices fall. That's when people think: "This is terrible. It couldn't possibly get any worse."

Jack: But it does, doesn't it?

Martin: Dramatically worse: In third quarter of 2008, the volume of mortgages going bad is so big and the volume of new mortgages being created is so small, we have a net decline in mortgages outstanding. For the first time in recorded history, we have a net destruction of debts in this sector. This is far worse than a credit crunch. It is a DEBT COLLAPSE, an unprecedented, unstoppable deflationary force.

Debt Collapse in Corporate Bonds

The same kind of debt collapse also hits corporate bonds. Third quarter of 2007 — no problem. New bonds are issued at the annual rate of nearly $1,481 billion per year.

Fourth quarter of 2007 — big decline, to $821 billion.

Jack: Credit crunch begins to hit.

Martin: Exactly. First and second quarters of 2008 — credit crunch hits even harder. Third quarter of 2008 — debt collapse strikes! It's the biggest net reduction of corporate bonds in recorded history, running at the annual rate of $755 billion (red bar in chart). Again, one of the most powerful deflationary forces of all time!

Jack: So what's the next stage?

Martin: A chain reaction of corporate bankruptcies.

Jack: But it looks like they're going to save companies like General Motors and Chrysler.

Martin: Even if they do, they cannot save hundreds of thousands of smaller and medium-sized companies that are going bankrupt all over the country ... tens of thousands of municipalities and states running out of money ... tens of millions of Americans who have gotten smacked with the trillions in losses I've just showed you in the household sector.

This wealth destruction and debt liquidation is classic; and despite all the government intervention, it is fundamentally very similar to the collapse we saw in 1929 and the early 1930s.

Jack: But many people believe the 1930s Depression was caused by the failure of the federal government to fight the decline. This time, they say, the government is doing precisely the opposite.

Martin: In reality, America's First Great Depression wasn't caused by what the government failed to do to stop it. Rather, it was largely caused by all the wild things the government did do to create the superboom in the Roaring '20s that preceded it. They dished out money to banks like candy. They let banks loan money to brokers without restraint. And they encouraged brokers to hand it off to stock market speculators with 10% margin.

But if you want to see what happens when a government intervenes aggressively after a bust, just look at Japan since 1990. Japan lowered interest rates to zero, just like the Fed is doing today. Japan bailed out banks, brokerage firms and insurance companies, much like the Fed is doing here. Japan embarked on massive public works projects, much like President-elect Obama is proposing now.

Nikkei Index: 18-year market

But it did not end the deflation. And it did not prevent their stock market from making brand-new lows this year.

All it did was prolong the agony — now 18 years and counting.

Jack: So precisely how much longer do you think the deflation will continue in the U.S.?

Martin: Nobody knows. But it's clear that this is not a short-term situation that will be resolved in the foreseeable future. It could take years to flush out the bad debts and restore confidence.

The key is the debt liquidation. That's the main engine behind the deflation and a major element in vicious cycles that are just beginning to gain momentum. Consider the housing market, for example. The more debts are liquidated, the more prices fall ... and the more prices fall, the more people abandon their homes and mortgages, leading to more debt liquidation.

This is what's happening all around the country right now — not only in housing, but also in every asset imaginable. These vicious cycles are like hurricanes striking every city and state in the country. Until they exhaust themselves, the deflation will continue.

Like you said at the outset, deflation is falling asset prices across the board. Not just falling home prices, but falling prices on land and commercial properties. Not just stocks and bonds, and commodities, but also collectibles — art, antiques, stamps and, soon, rare coins as well. There may be some exceptions. But overall, unless you have some very convincing evidence to the contrary, you must assume the value of your assets are going down and going down hard.

Jack: So what's a person to do?

Martin: If you don't need something, seriously consider selling it. Real estate. Stocks. Corporate bonds. Even collectibles if you consider them an investment.

Jack: Even if it has already gone down a lot?

Martin: Don't look back at what the price was. Just look ahead to what the price will be after a massive deflation. You don't have to sell everything all at once at any price. Every time the government inspires a rally in the stock market, use that as a selling opportunity. Every time the government stimulates some activity in real estate or in the economy, grab that chance as well.

Jack: Suppose market conditions are so severe, there are no buyers. Then what?

Martin: Then, you can afford to wait for a temporary stabilization or recovery. Markets never go straight down. And even in some of the worst markets, there are ways to sell most assets.

Jack: What about antiques and art?

Martin: For the first time in many years, you're seeing a contraction in major auctions sales. For example, annual sales of contemporary art at Sotheby's and Christie's auctions in New York and London are down 17% in 2008. In the two years before that, they doubled in sales. So that's not a huge decline yet. But it's a sign.

You won't get peak prices. However, if you act swiftly, you can still sell. If you wait, you'll get caught. Ditto for stamps and rare coins.

Jack: Gold is holding its value the best compared to the much larger percentages you cited earlier for other commodities. But I believe it's only a matter of time before gold succumbs to the deflation as well. What do you think?

Martin: This is hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's also hard to envision a situation in which gold defies gravity for much longer. It's still a good insurance policy against governments that could run amuck. But I suggest you reduce your holdings to a bare minimum.

No matter what, the key is to pile up as much cash as you possibly can. Then put that cash into the safest place you possibly can — short-term Treasury securities. You can buy them from the Treasury Department directly, through their Treasury Direct Program. Or for even better liquidity, I recommend a Treasury-only money market fund. Our favorites are Capital Preservation Fund and the Weiss Treasury Only Money Market Fund. There are many more to choose from and they all provide the same safety.

Jack: Last week, there were some Treasury bills auctioned off at zero yield. Doesn't that discourage you?

Martin: Not in the slightest. As long as your cash is in a safe place, the deeper the deflation, the more your money is worth. My last word: Just make sure you keep it safe!

Jack: Martin, I'm going to assume that's my cue to jump in and take us beyond just safety and protection, so we can talk about turning this deflation into a profit opportunity.

Martin: Yes, please do.

Jack: There is just one thing that always goes up with deflation: The U.S. dollar! By DEFINITION, when the price of investments or goods and services goes down, the value of each dollar goes UP. That's the essence of deflation. And here's the key: When the value of the dollar goes up in the United States, it inevitably goes up abroad as well.

Martin: Please explain that connection more specifically.

Jack: Virtually everything that matters in the global economy — trade, commodities, GDP, debts — is measured in U.S. dollars. The dollar is the world's reserve currency. So just as we see domestically, when your dollar buys more, its value also rises internationally.

Martin: There was a lot of talk about other currencies replacing the dollar as a reserve currency.

Jack: Talk, yes; action, no. It never happened. And now, it's going the other way: Your dollars now buy more than two gallons of gas for every one gallon they bought just a few months ago. The dollar now buys three times more oil and copper than just a few months ago. Not just 20% more or 50% more, but three times more!

We're seeing the same thing happen against currencies. The dollar is in a massive, long-term uptrend against the euro, the British pound and virtually every currency in the world. Yes, we've witnessed a temporary dollar setback in recent days, but it does nothing to change the big trend.

Martin: It certainly does not change the deflation. But please give us specific reasons why the dollar is rising against currencies in particular.

Jack: There are three big reasons. The main one is that, as I said, the dollar is the global measure of virtually everything. So when there's global deflation, the dollar is the prime beneficiary.

Look. We've had decade after decade of inflation and global expansion. During most of that period, the worldwide supply of dollars and dollar-based credit expanded dramatically. And those dollars became the key funding source of bubbles in nearly every major asset class — real estate, stocks, commodities, energy and metals. As the supply of dollars expanded, the dollar lost value.

Now we have deflation and global contraction. So now everything is turning the other way. Despite the Fed's efforts to lower interest rates, credit — dollar credit — is drying up all over the world. The overall supply of dollars is contracting. So U.S. dollars are suddenly scarce and their value is going up.

Jack Crooks

Martin: Still many people in the U.S. don't see that. They think: "If the U.S. economy is in so much trouble, isn't that bad for the dollar?"

Jack: No, that's simply not how it works. A country's currency is never valued based on how well or how poorly that particular economy is doing in isolation. It's always measured against another country's currency. So it is always valued based on how a particular economy is doing relative to another economy.

It's not the U.S. dollar vs. some other measure. It's the U.S. dollar versus the euro, the British pound, the Aussie dollar, etc. So the relevant question is never, "How well is the U.S. economy doing?"

The question is, "How is the U.S. economy doing compared to the European economy, the U.K. or Australia?" In this environment, it's not a beauty contest. It's a contest of which economy is the least ugly ... which leads me to the second reason the dollar is rising: The U.S. is winning the least ugly contest hands down.

Martin: Please elaborate.

Jack: Europe's banks have lent more than $2.7 trillion to the high-risk emerging markets, and those emerging markets are being crushed by deflation. Europe's banks have big exposure to Hungary, and Hungary is collapsing. They have big exposure to the Ukraine and to Russia, which are also collapsing.

Europe's economy is in much worse shape than ours. In Germany, export demand has vanished. So it's just now starting to accelerate downward.

Worst of all, the Eurozone's governing bodies are a mess. You've got each member nation making its own monetary policy and each going off on a different course with its economic stimulus plans. For example, the European Central Bank wants to retain some semblance of moderation in its monetary policy. But the leaders in countries like Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland are scared. So they're going to whatever it takes to try to prop up demand, no matter what the central banks says.

Martin: It's adding political chaos to financial chaos.

Jack: Precisely. These are the reasons the euro has been falling and, despite a sharp rally, will likely continue to fall — probably down to parity with the dollar, or lower.

Martin: That's a huge drop — over 30% from these levels. What about the U.K.?

Jack: Worse. Their housing bust is more extreme than ours. Their reliance on revenues from a sinking financial center — London — is far worse than ours. Their consumers have more debt than almost any other developed country.

Martin: And the Australian dollar?

Jack: Solid as long as commodities were going up ... but a disaster with commodities going down! In just the last five months, the Australian dollar has lost 31% of its peak value. Other currencies tied to commodities are also getting killed: The New Zealand dollar is down 39% from its peak; the Brazilian real, 35%; the Canadian dollar, 23%.

Martin: And going forward?

Jack: Deflation means more declines in commodities. And the more commodities fall, the more these commodity currencies plunge. It's that simple.

Martin: You said you had three reasons for the dollar's surge.

World currency

Jack: The third reason is the flight to the center. Think of the world currency market as a solar system. The dollar is the sun; the other currencies, the planets. As the system expands, investors migrate from the core currency, the U.S. dollar, to the inner planets — currencies like the euro, the Swiss franc or the pound.

And as the system expands even more, they migrate to the next tier of currencies, like the Australian dollar or the Canadian dollar ... and then, still further, to the system's periphery — outer planets like the Brazilian real, the Mexican peso or the South African rand. At each step of the way, they take more risk with less stable economies, use more leverage, go for bigger returns — all fueled by abundant dollar credit.

Martin: OK. What happens when the global economy contracts?

Jack: Precisely the reverse. As the global economy begins to come unglued, they rush back to the center, creating a massive flight back to the U.S. dollar. They have no love affair with the dollar. They just see the peripheral economies going down and they dump those currencies. These are the first risky investments they sell, almost invariably switching back to U.S. dollars.

The U.S. economy, despite all its troubles, is still the dominant world economy. Militarily, it's the only remaining superpower. Financially, it's still the world's capital. So it's natural that when investors are running from risk, they rush back to the dollar, bidding up its value.

Martin: Is this true across the board, regardless of the currency?

Jack: No. There's one notable exception: The Japanese yen. Japan is the world's second largest economy and also one of the world's largest sources of capital. So when the other currencies go down, a lot of that money goes back to Japan, boosting the yen.

But the main point is this: The single most consistent consequence of global deflation is a rising dollar.

Martin: So in the midst of all these bear markets, if you're looking for a big bull market ...

Jack: You've found it! It's the U.S. dollar. I think the U.S. dollar is in the early stages of a powerful bull market that could last for years. It's the single cleanest way to make windfall profits from the deflation.

Martin: A year or two ago, you were betting against the dollar, and you were right. Now you're betting on a rising dollar. That's a big change.

Jack: You're darn right it is! It goes hand-in-hand with the big sea change you've so clearly illustrated today.

Martin: Can you explain to our readers how to go about betting on a rising dollar?

Jack: There are several ways. You can place your bets in favor of the dollar, using instruments that are tied to the dollar index. So as the dollar index rises against other currencies, you profit directly.

Or you can bet against foreign currencies. Remember, the flip side of a rising dollar is falling currencies. The more those currencies fall against the dollar, the more you make. I prefer betting against the currencies because that lets me choose the weakest of them all.

Martin: What instruments do you use?

Jack: I use a revolutionary investment vehicle called currency ETFs. They're simply exchange-traded funds, just like any other ETFs. The same ease of trading and flexibility, the same low commissions, the same availability through any stock broker. If you buy stocks or any other ETF, you can buy currency ETFs.

Martin: Before we get into this any further, can you give us full disclosure on the risks?

Jack: All investments have risk. If the currency goes the wrong way, you lose money. But the advantage of the currency market is that it's divorced from the stock market. The stock market could be crashing, and it would not interfere with your ability to make large steady profits in the currency market. The U.S. economy could be sinking into a depression, and it would still not interfere with your ability to make nice large steady profits in the currency market. No matter what happens in the global economy or the world's financial markets, there is always at least some major currency that's going up in value.

Martin: Please explain that.

Jack: Currencies are measured against each other. When one is going up, the other is going down, like a seesaw. Therefore, there's always at least one currency going up. There's always a bull market in currencies and, therefore, always a bull market in currency ETFs. I don't recommend currency ETFs for all of your money. But at a time when nearly all other investments are going down, it's a great place to get away from the disasters and find a whole separate world of investment opportunity.

Martin: A world that's far removed from those disasters.

Jack: Exactly. I also think that it's the ideal vehicle for average investors to profit from deflation and a rising dollar.

Martin: Specifically, which ETF do you use to profit from a rising dollar?

Jack: There's an ETF that's tied directly to a rising dollar index. The more the dollar rises, the more money you can make. And there's virtually no limit to how far it can go.

Martin: Before we end today, please name it for us. But of course, it's a two-way street. If the dollar falls, then this ETF would fall in value as well.

Jack: Of course. But there are also ETFs tied to specific falling currencies. When the dollar is rising, it means other currencies are falling. And with these ETFs, the more those currencies fall, the more money you can make. Plus, you can do it with two-for-one leverage.

Take the euro, for example. If the euro falls 10%, you stand to make 20%. If the euro falls 20%, you can make 40%. And if you want to be more aggressive and buy them with 50% margin, you can double that leverage. In other words, every 10% decline in the currency gives you a 40% profit opportunity.

Martin: Do you recommend margin?

Jack: I don't think you need it. The currency market offers plenty of profit opportunity without margin.

Martin: Can you give us some specific examples without using margin?

Betting on the U.S. Dollar using ETFs

Jack: Sure. Let's say you bet against the British pound last August. In just three months' time, you could have grabbed the equivalent of a 52% annual return on your money.

The return on the euro would have been even better. If you could have bought the ETF that's designed to profit from a falling euro, you could have grabbed the equivalent of an 81% total annual return. On the Aussie, you could have made a 68% annual return.

Martin: With the way the stock market is performing and the way yields have fallen, I think most people would be happy with a lot less than that. Jack, if you can help folks make, say, 30% or even 20% per year, and you do so regularly, that would be a great service you provide.

Jack: Plus, we're not talking about speculating on some little-known stock or exoteric bond. When you buy currency ETFs, you're investing in the currency itself — CASH MONEY. You never own a single share of stock or any kind of bond.

You're also not affected by financial failures. Since you never buy stocks or bonds in a bank or corporation that could default, currency ETFs help insulate you from the debt crisis. In fact, the debt crisis overseas, which is far more frightening than the debt crisis here, is driving investors into the U.S. dollar, which can actually help investors make more money in their dollar ETFs.

Martin: Since the ETFs are not investing in stocks or bonds, please explain what they are investing in.

Jack: In most cases, interest-bearing money markets. So in those ETFs, on top of the appreciation in the currency we're aiming for, you also earn interest. And with many currency ETFs, the interest yield is higher than what you can make in any U.S. money market.

Martin: Let's say you're wrong about the dollar and the dollar turns down. Then what?

Jack: In 2007, when the dollar was falling, we did very nicely. I have a service dedicated exclusively to currency ETFs, called World Currency Alert. And in it, I can recommend currency ETFs that are available now on every major currency. There's an ETF for the euro, the Japanese yen, the British pound, the Swiss franc, the Australian dollar, the Canadian dollar and more.

Sometimes we'll focus on just a couple of special opportunities; sometimes, when we have a broad movement in the currencies, we'll recommend you diversify among many different ones.

Martin: Does that require a larger investment?

Jack: No. Remember, these are just ETFs, just shares traded on the exchange. So you could buy just one share of each if you wanted to. In other words, there's virtually no investment minimum. With just $1,000, you could buy a whole range of different ETFs across several different currencies.

Martin: What kind of fees are we talking about to buy and sell the currency ETFs?

Jack: You pay a broker commission. But if you use a discount or online broker, your commission costs can be slashed to the bone.

Martin: How does this compare to trading standard ETFs, like those that focus on particular stock sectors?

Jack: I think it's a lot easier and better.

Martin: Why is that?

Jack: Instead of thousands of stocks and stock sectors, you only have to track six major currencies — the euro, British pound, Swiss franc, Japanese yen, Australian dollar and Canadian dollar. Instead of choppy and crazy stock market surges and plunges, currencies tend to give you much bigger, sweeping trends.

Martin: Because ...

Jack: Because once you get these massive macro global trends — like the deflation we talked about — turning them around is like turning a big tanker at sea. They can last for many years. It's like sailing with the Gulf Stream. You just follow the currency current as far as it will take you.

Martin: How would you characterize this current you're riding right now — the deflation pushing the dollar higher?

Jack: I've seen big currency trends before, but nothing quite like this one, nothing as powerful and large. Your numbers bring that home very convincingly, I think.

Martin: Tell us why you think investors should buy your service, and don't be bashful. I think it's safe to say that our readers want to know how to make real money from this deflation, and if you have a unique way to do this, its information they're going to want to pay close attention to.

Jack: Actually, you don't need World Currency Alert to invest in currency ETFs. It's very easy to do, and like I said, they're readily available to anyone with a regular stock brokerage account. You buy and sell them just like a stock or any other ETF. You don't need any new accounts. They're extremely liquid. You just aim to buy them low and sell them high, like any other investment.

Martin: What would you buy when?

Jack: Whenever you see a setback in the dollar, I would buy the PowerShares Dollar Bull ETF.

Martin: OK. So why should someone buy your service?

Jack: You don't need my service to buy them. You need World Currency Alert to make money in them, to take your profits, and to do it with some degree of consistency.

If your goal is to take no risk whatsoever and keep all your money 100% safe, then buying currency ETFs would be a mistake, because there IS always risk of loss. But if you're concerned about this deflation — or a future return of inflation — then NOT taking this opportunity is the mistake you'd be making, in my view. There's nothing, absolutely nothing standing in your way.

Martin: Except the cost of the service.

Jack: No, I don't see that as an obstacle. The cost of World Currency Alert is just $295 per year. If you invested just a couple thousand in one of the trades I just mentioned, you could cover an entire year's cost very easily.

Martin: In terms of timing, when would be a good time for investors to start with your service?

Jack: There's no particular time that's better than any other. Right now, we've had a setback in the dollar. So I'm looking to jump in with a new batch of recos, perhaps around the first week of the new year. So you could wait until then.

The key timing issue is the price change we're going to put into place: Starting January 1, we're raising the price to $395. So don't wait until then. Because as long as you join before December 31, you save $100.

Plus, there are even bigger savings if you join for two years. In fact, I think the two-year membership makes the most sense.

Martin: Because ...

Jack: Because, like I said, it offers the biggest savings. And no matter what, if you're not happy, if it doesn't work for you or you just decide to change your mind, no problem — 100% money-back guarantee in the first 90 days; pro-rated refund at any time thereafter.

Martin: That's very fair. Please provide a web link for more info and to order your service.

Jack: It's http://images.moneyandmarkets.com/1195/88357.html
Or you can call 800-393-0189.

Martin: One way to look at this is like a home business to generate extra revenues.

Jack: I agree. All it takes is a couple of minutes each day, and for each minute of your time, you could be looking at a thousand or two in revenue per hour. Just remember, the price goes up January 1, 2009.

Martin: Thank you, Jack. And thank YOU, our readers, for joining us today. Let's talk again soon.

Good luck and God bless!

Martin


 


 
Posted on 12-22-08 2:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Samsara,

Thank you for originating this thread and keeping it alive. Certainly worth reading.

Without an economics (or a financial) academic (or professional) background it is quite confusing for people like us on which analysis/theory to believe on. The article that you last posted was almost leading me to believe that the dollar would get stronger until they started talking about selling their subscription service for currency alert. Towards the end it just looked like a conversation type promotional ads that we see on TV. However, the facts and numbers given in the article is real and the logic they have put forth on why dollar would rise is quite convincing. But at the same time if I read other articles out there in financial pages and blogs then I equally get convinced that the dollar would weaken and that commodities like Gold will rise.

It will be nice to read yours and other Sajha folk’s analysis on what would be the best thing to do so that we don’t loose value of our hard earned remaining money (I am sure most of us already have lost quite a bit in this turmoil)  

a) Hold the cash (dollars)

b) Convert your dollars into other currencies (if dollar is going to weaken)

c) Invest in Gold

 Thanks again for keeping this thread alive. Hope others would contribute too.

 


 
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ओई मुजी सम्सारा, त मुजी ले यस्तो कुरा गर्न सुहाउदैन। त चिक्ने को बानी बेहोरा यस्तो कुरा गर्न लायक को छैन। एदी तलाई विश्वाश लाग्दइन भने त मुजी को पहिले पहिले को धागो हरु आँफै ले चेक गर। त कस्तो रन्दी होस् भन्ने कुर त्यसइ ले प्रूफ गर्छ। तैले सय वोता धागो मा  नब्बे वोता पोस्ट  तेरो आमा लाई बिक्री गरेको लेखेको हुन्चस र तैले अरु को आमा दिदी बहिनी को इज्जत को धज्जी उदाको हुन्छस। त मुजी कुनै रन्दीखाना बाट जन्मेको गैर कानुनी बच्चो मात्र होस्। तेसैले तैले १,२ वोता राम्राा कुरा गरेर यहाँ मान्छे लाई भुलाउने प्रयास नगर।

पाठक ब्रिन्द हरु, एदी मेरो कुरा म तपाईं हरु लाई विश्वाश लाग्दैन भने, यो सम्सरा भन्ने को अरु पोस्ट हरु पनि हेर्नु होल अनी एस्को अस्लियत तपाईं हरु सामु आउने छ।


 



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