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 Is Mahabharat exactly true ? महाभारत मा भएका कुरा हरु के सत्य हुन् त ?

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Posted on 10-23-09 11:10 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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महाभारत मा भएका कुरा हरु के सत्य हुन् त ?  ...Does someone have good knowlege about mahabharat how the whole story came up ? Are those incident happend exactly what  were shown in " Mahabharat Program which is bordcasted in tv ? Did Ved Vyas wrote exactly what happened during mahabharat ???

Coz Mahabharat is really great !!!Just want more information from you guys !!!

Thank-X

 
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It is my understanding;
If Krishna wanted to cap the differences between Pandu and Kaurav, he would have done that but he dos not,  because Arjun is brother in law , he is the great orator full of logic and I will say a great philosopher and a great psephologist who can do any thing he can. Somewhere ( not trying to be bias ) trying to save gop bansi ( Brahmin ) and their greatness. How Krishna was manipulative can be seen in Geeta, where he proved it was him who created and evolve around him. 

A great epic to be read but we have not read the real Mahabharata , who ever writes it have his version .

 
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Syangjali,


Healthy skepticism is good, and I agree that the first "real" mahabharata was not like it is today, since it has been written and rewritten over time. Geeta itself was inserted later, around 2000 years ago, as some claim. I am a novice and I have no way to verify or refute these fundamental claims about dates and incidences. (I don't know why you think Gopa are Brahmin?)


But, boy, this great epic has been our direct connection to our ancestors. If we can somehow go to back to our ancestors of 2500 years ago, it is likely that in one fine evening our greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandma would be listening to this story of heroism in her small hut as our greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandpa narrates what he knows to her. That's why Mahabhrata is a sacred book.

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What I can believe is small important story bloated out of proportion.

What I can not believe is supernatural powers.

 
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Don't you know that Mahavarat story is hoax? Some incidents may be correct but Harry Potter style story is completely hoax.
 
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MAHABHARAT IS NOT A  HOAX. IT HAS HAPPENED. ITS THE HISTORY AND SCIETIFIC FACT. TH EONE WE SEE IN MOVIE WITH DIFFERENT KIND OF WEAPONS USED IN THE WAR MIGHT BE HOAX OR ARTISTIC IMAGINARY. BUT STORY IS REAL. READ THIS ARTICLE.

The topic of this issue is the Mahabharata war in relation to world
history and culture. We will begin the topic with a question we
received sometime back:

"In the Mahabharata, the war seemed to
have affected the whole world. We don’t find so many references to such
of a huge event in other cultures. Why are there no references to a
great world event?"

There is reference to a great war both in
the Mayan culture and in old Chinese traditions. They speak about a
huge war that happened long, long ago; but they give no details. They
only knew that such a war had occurred.

After any war two things
happen. In certain regions, nothing develops for a long time; and in
certain other regions everything expands very rapidly. The same thing
has happened after the Kurukshetra war. In some places everything just
stopped; there was no communication. These places became completely
isolated from the rest of the world.

You can imagine the
situation of those other kingdoms which were working under the
fifty-four kingdoms, the Aryan empire. When a huge war like this is
waged on the other side of the globe, and none of the kings ever
returned, and their armies also didn’t come back, what would be the
state of communication?

These kingdoms would have become
completely alien to everything. No one would have known what happened.
The king with his entire army went to fight in the great war, and
that's it. They just disappeared, never to be heard from again. The
agents from the ruling kingdoms no longer came to collect taxes, no
information was being sent from the world capital. Suddenly these
former colonies are isolated and free. They don't have to pay taxes
anymore, nor do they have to be subservient.

Naturally the new
king would try to make a lot of indigenous effort to put forth their
own culture. And if there were any texts left that said his grand
father was a slave of Kaikeya, he would just burn it. They wouldn't
want to keep such information.

The same thing happened in the
modern World War, which was actually just a war around the world. But
the Mahabharata war was one massacre at one single place, and nobody
went back. None of the kings or soldiers returned to tell what happened.

It
is described that the cremations were done there and the rituals were
also done there. Even the widows of the other kings were adopted there
by the capital, Hastinapura. Seven different types of cremations were
done, like mass cremations, individual cremations, etc. After the
cremations, the widows were all adopted by Hastinapura there itself.
There was practically no one going back to their own countries, hardly
a single channel of communication.

We can imagine if we were a
distant country ruling under one of these fifty-four kings, the Aryan
empire, and we see no one is returning from the battle, no
communication is coming from the battle; what would we do? Immediately
we would destroy the old information, that showed us as slaves to these
Aryan kings, and emerge as a great self-manifesting empire like Egypt.
This is exactly what they did.

The destruction caused by the war
was not only external. The destruction of the war was also in the minds
of the people. After those heavy astras were used, in the minds of the
people anything subtle, anything delicate, anything perfectional was
completely burnt out. It is just like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, till
today you find the children are disabled. How many years has it been?
It was only two primitive bombs. They were so gross and physical, but
the radioactivity of that is still being seen today.

Then we can
understand, according to the descriptions within the Mahabharata, what
was the destruction of the Brahmastras used in the war. What was the
Agni-astras they were using? What was the power of the wind in the
Vayu-astra? It was not only blowing in Kurukshetra, it was blowing all
over the planet. What would have happened to the people’s minds because
of the diffusion of all these energies?

Everything became lost.
Naturally people would not even be able to think that they were
serving, or they had been paying tax to the Aryan kings of such and
such countries. The whole thing had no meaning any more.

This is
known as the "dark period" after the Mahabharata war.
Kathacharit-sagara has stories about this dark time. In the Tamil
literature also it discusses this period. There was a dark period in
between where no one knew what happened. Only the thieves, either
through ship or through land, were ruling the world. In Tamil it is
known as "kalapirar kalam" which means the time of the unknown kings,
unknown rulers. The Tamil literature gives 3,000 years for it. And then
the Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas came to power. In between it was
completely dark. And these Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas were actually
descendants of the original Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas who took part
in the Mahabharata war.

The Chola king was the one who ran the
kitchen for the Pandavas. That is there in the Tamil literature. Those
people who ran the kitchen, they were not just cooks; they were all
soldiers. They went to help in the war and when the division of work
was given, they were given the kitchen. So they were cooking. There are
hundreds of Tamil verses glorifying that king who cooked for the
Pandavas during the Mahabharata war. It is there in the Tamil
literature.

If this war never happened, if Kurushetra was only
symbolic of the body, mind and senses; why would this Aryan king have
spent twenty years of his ruling time in the North cooking for someone
else. These are clear proofs. There was a dark time in between. The
dark time was nothing but the reactions of the war. After the dark
time, those who emerged powerful were not all the authentic rulers.
Some were descendants, but most were just those who utilized this
opportunity to gain power. This is why it is not mentioned in other
cultures, it is not recorded. A great war is mentioned, but no details
are given.

Even in the mythology of the Greeks it is there, only
the time is looking different. The time frame does not look like it is
the Mahabharata war, but the great Achilles fighting and other such
stories of Greek mythology have a very close similarity to stories from
the Kurushetra war. In Greek mythology some of these stories are
internally dated much before the time of the Kurushetra war. The reason
is because they wanted to have a separate identity, therefore they told
it as though it happened at a much more ancient time. It may sound like
mythology, but its just the histories which have been handed down from
the Kurushetra war by the bards and entertainers.

The bards and
entertainers were not killed. This is an important point in
understanding how this history has spread. At that time, war meant that
during every evening they had theater, they had dance, they had jokers,
etc. They had all varieties of entertainment, and none of these
entertainers were killed. That was the rule according to
dharma-shastra, they were not supposed to be killed. Everyone died on
the battlefield of Kurukshetra, but all of these bards, poets and
entertainers lived. This is how the stories were spread.

The
people who did street dances and folk dances, poetry and songs, they
all went back. But because the armies and kings were not there, they
did not reach as far as they had come from. These entertainers had
traveled along with the armies and kings, from distant lands. When the
battle was finished, they had no king or army to take them back to
their homeland, which in some cases was on the other side of the world.
They traveled on their own, alone, and managed to reach some distance,
somewhere. They did not make it home to their own countries, but they
traveled as far as they could go alone. And when they stopped, unable
to go any further, there they would have searched for some patron to
perform for.

They must have been highly impressed with this war.
Whatever had happened, whatever they saw, the battles between the
heroes on both sides; it had impressed them so much. Naturally they
would dramatize this and make stories of wars, of great battles, of
what they had just witnessed.

In this Great war, who would have
come back? Only the entertainers; the nandis, vandis and mahatis; those
people who woke up the king’s everyday. They are the one's who lived to
spread these stories. When their kings died they would leave. This was
the tradition. The king goes to the battle with a full entourage . If
the king is killed in the second day of the battle, the king who killed
him takes his army. This was the system in those days. This was not the
case for those who made a pact; like Dhristadyumna was in a pact with
the Pandavas. His army would not go to Duryodhana. But those individual
kings who came to the help the Pandavas, if the king is killed then
everything that he has, including his ornaments, dress and animals,
belongs to the king who killed him. Actually his country also belongs
to that king. That was how the war was fought. Everything including the
ornaments he was wearing, his armor, they belong to the winner. Only
his astras won't be taken, because astras won’t serve one unless you
have done the proper upasana. The astras will go back to the rishi or
the deva who has given them. This was the rule of war.

Once
their king was killed, what would the entertainers do? They would not
continue sitting there glorifying their dead king while the war was
still continuing. As soon as their king died, they would leave the
battle field. So for them, the outcome of the war was not even known. 
But when they left they had nothing, no escort, no entourage; they were
alone. So they would travel as far as they could and as quickly as they
could, until they reached whatever place they could find. They would be
looking for a new patron. And if they found one, the first thing they
will say is, "Have you heard? There was a war!" Once they have found a
patron they will start performing. But the war was still running, and
they would not want to be involved in politics, so to protect
themselves they will begin, "Long, long ago..." And that would begin
the dramatization of the Great War. This is how the information spread.
You can find in every ethnic culture in the world, without fail, there
is discussion of a Great War. How does that come about? It may not go
by the name Mahabharata, but the great war is there, everywhere.

There
is an entire culture whose literature is based around crying, the
Sumerian culture. All of their ancient writings are the cries of women
who have lost their husbands in the war. Those who can read ancient
Tamil will see that their script is almost identical, it is similar to
the Dravida alphabets; and even the meanings of the sentences can be
understood, it is so similar.

Their texts are saying the same
thing as the Mahabharata. A city was built, there was gambling, another
city was burnt, a lady was insulted, and because of that there was
fire. The order may not be the same, but the elements are identical.
After the war, there was crying by the widows. And this crying is the
substance of the Sumerian writings. Each song is a cry. It is the same
thing as found in the Mahabharata. There is a chapter in the
Mahabharata, "the crying of the queens in the war after the kings
died". It is identical. Everyone is talking about this same great war.

Even
in regards to geography, the ancient cultures are speaking the same
thing. There is always mention of a river that is running on four sides
of a mountain. They may make the map based on their own idea of how the
river is coming down from the mountain, but the substance is the same.
They may not understand that it is referring to the four branches of
the Ganga which go to the four different levels of the universe, but
they have the basic concept. In China it is there. In the Maya culture
it is there. This is the same concept as found in the Bhagavatam and
other Vedic texts.

There are many other parallels between the
world cultures, pointing to a common source. Symbolically the Swastika
is found all over the world - in Native American tribes, in Europe, in
ancient India. Hitler was trying to revive the old Germanic and Norse
tales of the Aryan kings, but he failed to understand the entire
tradition. The Swastika represents life, but he chose to reverse it,
thus signifying death. Even linguistically, the Indo-European
languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek and their many derivatives,
have countless similarities. This all points out that there was
originally one culture, one civilization. The Great War described
throughout the world is the Mahabharata war.

One may ask, "Why
don't the other countries present it in the exact same way?" It is
because they were countries working under the fifty-four kings. They
were subservient to the Aryan empire, and this war made them free. It
was their chance to rewrite the history, to make their civilization the
center of time.

The rulers in Hastinapura allowed it to happen
by their negligence. Parikshit Maharaja did not function as an emperor
of the world for a long time, and as a result there was no unification
of the countries done under him. And after him, Janamejaya spent his
whole life trying to kill the snakes, until finally he became sick of
everything and left the kingdom. Because of this the Aryan kings became
weak.

According to Kathacharit-sagara, after the dark period it
was Bhima’s grandsons who sprung to power from Ujjain and other places.
It was in their line that Vikramaditya later came. In Arjuna's line
there was no powerful descendant, although there were some in
Kundinapura. But their line quickly became diffused. The Indonesian
city, Yogyakarta, previously known as Yajna-karta, was ruled by Bhima’s
grandson. It was there that he performed one thousand yajnas, and that
is how the city was named. That was much after the war.

In some
places the remnants of Vedic culture are more powerful. Their presence
is felt more directly. But in other places the remnants are faint and
more difficult to perceive. Just like the Sun worshippers of Japan.
Previously it was part of a huge land mass in the pacific, but by the
movement of the land and the sea it has become a tiny island. In that
ancient land, they were worshippers of the Sun god. It was the same
with the Lemurian land mass that was between Africa and India. The
Tamil literatures describe a massive land going towards the west from
the present Indian coast.

After every Yuga there is a change of
land and sea. There is one chapter on this in the pratisarga parva of
the Bhavishya Purana. It speaks about how the land and sea change by
the influence of time. This is how the flood of Noah described in the
bible occurred. It was taken as a big dissolution, as a pralaya, but it
was just the change of yugas. When Noah built the Arc, He was under the
mountain Tuhinachala. Today the Tuhinachala is now a desert. It is no
longer a mountain.

There is another case from Bhima’s time, when
he went for collection for the Rajasuya sacrifice. He went from Puri to
Burma by chariot by crossing two mountains. There was no Bay of Bengal.
And now that there is a bay of Bengal, we see two tiny islands, Andaman
and Nicobar. They were the mountains that Bhima crossed, today they are
just small islands.

It is the same situation with New Zealand.
They were not islands, but the peaks of mountains. They belonged to a
giant land mass that connected to what was the Kimpurusha Varsha. But
today they are also islands because of the land changes that occurred
when the yugas changed.

So, with all this - the Great War
followed by massive changes in the earth's geography - the
civilizations were heavily affected. Vyasadeva describes this war by
saying, “There had not been a war as heavy as this at any time in all
the lands.” He describes it this way because all of the demons and all
of the devas took part in this war at one place - Kurukshetra. It was
the heaviest war in the history, fought between universal powers. Thus
its effects were felt in all places throughout the world.

Questions and Answers

Was Sanjaya fighting in the battle of Kurukshetra, or was he with Dhritarashtra in Hastinapura narrating the events?

Sanjaya
fought in the battle, and was one of the few to return from the
battlefield. He was the last person that Sahadeva was going to kill,
but Arjuna stopped him and said, "No. He is our friend. Let him go and
report to the old, blind man, Dhritarashtra." So Sanjaya left the field
of battle. On the way he met Duryodhana before reaching Hastinapura.

But
there is also another description in the Mahabharata, where Sanjaya is
sitting in Hastinapura and speaking to Dhritarashtra while the battle
is going on. How is it possible that Sanjaya is fighting on the
battlefield of Kurukshetra, and simultaneously speaking to
Dhritarashtra in Hastinapura. It was by the mercy of Vyasa that he was
able to expand himself into two forms and act in both places
simultaneously. In those times it was not such an impossible task,
especially for those who were direct disciples of Vyasadeva. The Gita
uses the words vyasa-prasadat. By the mercy of Vyasa it was possible.

What was the role of non-vedic kings in the Mahabharata war?

In
the Mahabharat there is mention of kings who were outside the levels of
"civilization" who took part in the Great War. They would belong to the
10th, 11th, and 12th varnas.
Vedic civilization is based on four varnas (divisions of society), but
there are people who do not fit within these four. They can not measure
up to this high standard. The scriptures list a total of twelve
designations, the four vedic varnas, and eight additional non-vedic
varnas. In the battle of Kurukshetra, Duryodhana took all of the lower
fighters onto his side. It is stated that none of them fought on the
side of the Pandavas.

Their warfare was throwing rocks and other
very primitive actions. Among all of the great maha-rathas, the astra
fighters, these others were completely primitive. For example, they
would go into the elephant division of an army and make the elephants
sick. They were humans, but in comparison to the maha-rathas they were
like insects. Duryodhana sent many such people to disturb Bhima’s
movements. Bhima was such a high-class physical fighter that when he
saw these groups of people walking with rocks, trying to hit him, he
would become very much agitated. It would make him do things which were
completely inordinate.  Because he was physically too powerful, he
would get upset and throw everything everywhere. Just to disorganize
him Dhuryodhana was using them.

They would go and bite the
elephant’s legs, and because their teeth were poisonous, the elephant
would faint. This was their fighting. They wouldn't go in front of the
elephants like Bhima and hold them by the trunk to throw them. They
would walk under the elephants, and do all kinds of annoying things
like putting needles in the elephant's tail. In contrast to the great
heros fighting in the war, like Drona and Kripa, who used their
powerful astras, these others were exactly like insects.

When Parashurama went around the world killing the kshatriyas, what does it mean and who did he kill?

Parashurama
was killing ruling kshatriyas, which means rulers of all the fifty-four
countries that made up Bharata-khanda and the Aryan empire. There is an
Upa-purana which deals only with Parashurama lila. There it is
mentioned the names of whom he killed, and they are all within these
fifty-four countries.

Parashurama would kill only the kings,
nobody lesser than the kings. But the kings had their armies with them,
so ultimately everyone was killed. Afterwards there was no kshatriya
left to whom the planet could be given, so Parashurama had to give it
to the brahmanas.

When you take these fifty-four countries, it
means you have the entire world. In the rest of the world there were
only subservient kings who ruled under any one of these fifty-four.

Especially
the distant kings, like after Kaikeya (Afghanistan) up-to the middle of
Europe; those kings ruled the rest of the continents. If there was a
king ruling in Kashyapa's tank, which is today the Caspian Sea, then he
was also ruling out to the Northern and Western side of Europe. And
those people who were ruling under the Sun flag in Japan, which at that
time used to be a part of the "other land", they were ruling the
previous America, which was in the Pacific ocean.

If you take
the fifty-four countries, those kings, then you have all the six
continents. The other lands were colonies and subservient kings of
these Aryan kings. In those other lands the varnashrama was either
two-thirds or one-thirds practiced. Accordingly, those rulers were like
chiefs. They were not like kings. They collected tax, they paid tax and
then they enjoyed their ruling. For example, the present Borneo, which
used to be Parana Dvipa, or the present Fiji which which used to be the
Ramanika Dvipa. They were kings who were not in the Sun or Moon
dynasties. They were kings who were working under the rule of the
fifty-four kings.

When we say world we must also understand that
we are not talking about the world map which is presently in existence.
In the ancient times the geographical regions were completely
different. We are not talking about the present world. England was not
an island; it was a part of Europe. We are speaking of an ancient time,
long ago. The geographical regions were very different. They did not
have to travel three months by ship to go to America from Europe. That
was not the way. The way was by land through the eastern side. 

Why is varnashrama or Vedic dharma manifested only in India and not in the rest of the world?

To
understand this answer we must study the philosophy of the history of
the world, especially in reference to political geography - the various
lands and countries. At the time of Yudhishthira Maharaja the whole
planet, all the six continents, were ruled under one flag. This rule
lasted until Yudhishthira Maharaja. Before that it was even more
perfect, and the Bharata-khanda or India was from the Caspian sea up to
Cambodia; and in the north, if you want to see in regards to the
present countries, you can say from Lithuania to seven thousand miles
south of Cape Comorin (in South India). That is what is meant by
Bharata-khanda; that is fifty-four countries, the "India"; and then
there are other countries apart from India.

India was made up of
these fifty-four countries, and there were also other countries
existing at that time. In those other countries the varnasrama was not
perfectly practiced. In India (Bharata-khanda) this varnasrama
(Vaidhika-dharma) was perfectly in practice.

After the
Mahabharata war, and after the "dark age" in between there was a lot of
mixing up - people leaving from here and coming back from there. So we
find that remnants are there only in India. You can practically say
that even in India now it is not there. So, if in India it is not
there, then you can understand why in other places it is not there.
India is the heart of varnashrama, but the heart itself is in a bypass
surgery stage. So, naturally the rest of the body must be mute.

It’s
only a question of the changes of time. For example, today, due to the
spreading of Krishna consciousness, varnasharama is being more
perfectly practiced in the western countries than in India itself. So
this is all due to the changes of time. If you look back in history,
you can see that it was the other way before.

It is not that the
varnashrama belongs to one country. Civilization starts with
varnashrama. Sometimes civilization in one part of the world may be
high, and sometimes in another part it may be high. In which ever it is
high or low, the closest remnants will be seen in the heart. This is
why it looks like varnashrama, or caste, or anything is Indian; but
that’s not so.

Anywhere in the world there is natural divisions
- intellectual class, administrative class, business class and working
class. That’s what varnashrama means in its essence. However you see
it, it is only when people are civilized that it is functional; but if
they are not civilized it is not functional.

Civilized means
with a spiritual goal for life. This is the indication of civilization.
But when that goal is not spiritual, when it becomes materialistic,
then naturally the divisions of varnashrama end up as castes, tribes,
clans and the like. It again changes wherever the spiritual goal is
pinpointed in a human civilization. There the varnashrama becomes the
first sign of civilization, the division of society. But this is only
if the spiritual goal is put as the target.

When discussing
varnasrama we must understand the two classifications, namely daiva
(spiritual) varnashrama and arthika (material) or asuri varnashrama.

Daiva
varnashrama is the perfect ideal which we are talking about. Even in
ancient India, it was not that it was always daiva varnashrama being
practiced. That is always fluctuating. And sometimes it is even found
that the demons follow daiva varnashram more perfectly. For example, at
the time of Mahabali, the asuras were following daiva varnashrama more
perfectly than the devas. This is why they were successful. So there
are many details we must take into account.

The idea that
varnashrama belongs to a particular geographic area is not correct. It
is something to do with the culture of a civilized society. They may
not be having the same name, but still, it is varnashrama. If the
society is distinctly divided into the intellectual class,
administrative class, business class and working class, even though
they may not be using the Sanskrit words, it is still varnashrama. It
may not be consisting of the rituals and other things, such as
purificatory processes (samskaras) etc., but still it is the same.


 
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That is why the story of Mahabharat is hoax. If you believe in Mahabharat you must also believe in Harry Potter, period.


 
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It makes me think million times when our religion is called a myth especially by western civilization and including our own Nepali friends!!!!!

If Resurrection appearances of Jesus is possible after his death, why are theories of Hinduism and Mahabharat considered myth??? Does western civilization has any prove that Jesus came back after his death burial???

Keep in mind my friends that when Christianity and western civilization was considering our world to be 5-6 thousand years old and earth is flat, our religion and philosophy told us that our earth and universe are billions of years old!! And when Christianity any other philosophy had no clue about space time, our hindu philisophy discussed in Mahabharat knew the difference between earth time and space time.

Now dont tell me that those information was edited after scientist discovered about our space and its time!!!

As I already told you, fancy war description, fancy technologies are artisitic imagination which were passed by hundreds of generation through word of mounth and altered millions of time as per the needs. But it does not mean that the whole Mahabharat and Hinduism is wrong. Mahabharat story and its philophy are right and they did occured around 3000 BC.

If everything is wrong  then how the hell did our ancient people knew that there is a land bridge from India to Srilanka which was recently discovered by NASA? This land bridge is under sea rigght now. Ya it is absolutly wrong that it was monkeys who created that landbridge. As I said before that story was altered millions of times and it was an artistic imagination. But does not mean that there is no such landbridge which has been already proved by NASA.

How about those talks about gravity, space travel, space time, planets position, medicines that were dicussed in Mahabharat?? Now dont tell me that those things were added in that story by Hollywood once they were discovered!!!

 
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Balbahadur ji ko gyan lai maile mane, babal gyan raicha ni ta ...... 'dark period' ko concept ta mero lagi nitanta naulo ho ... tesko lagi dhanyabada; tara maile euta kura chahi bujina harek great war pachi world ko geography change huncha bhanne kura; war pachi deshko political boundary po change huncha world ko geography kasari change huncha? geography ta earth cycle ko karan le garda huncha ni, feri yaslai lagera madhur ra katitab rakshyas ko katha sanga najodnu hola ni; dherai sathiko comments padiyo, jati jati pade uti uti historic facts ra fantasy lai sathihaurle gajyang gujung gajyang gujung parer misai raheko paye, kun yathartha ho kun hawadari kura ho chuttyaunai garo ....
 
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Incidently, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of challenge
and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have maintained
that the events described in the ancient Sanskrut texts are imaginary and
subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitiou tale of a war fought
between two rivalries. Starting from the so- called Aryan invasion into
Bharat, the current Bharatiya chronology starts from the compilation of
the Rigved in 1200 B.C., then come other Ved's, Mahaveer Jain is born,
then Gautam Buddha lives around 585 B.C. and the rest follows. In the meantime,
the Brahmanas, Samhi- tas, Puranas, etc. are written and the thought contained
therein is well-absorbed among the Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan
and Mahabharat fit in ? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and
some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of Indian histography, the date
of the Mahabharat (the mythical story!) ranges between 1000 B.C.to 300
B.C. Saunskrut epics were academically attacked occasion- ally - an attempt
to disprove the authencity of the annals noted therein. For example, the
European Indologiest Maxmuller, tried the interpret the astronomical evidences
to prove that the observations recorded in the Hindu scriptures are imaginary,
probably because it did not match the prevelant views of European historians!

All the scholars have relied on this inscription found in the Jain Temple
at Aihole prepared by one Chalukya King Pulakeshi. It says, according to
scholars, that the temple was constructed in 30+3000+700+5 = 3735 years,
after the Bharat War and 50+6+500 = 556 years of Shaka era in Kali era.
Today Shaka era is 1910. Hence 1910- 556 = 1354 years ago the temple was
constructed. Thus the year of inscribing this note is 634 AD. At this time
3735 years had passed from the Bharat War. So the date of the War comes
to 3101 BC. This is also the date of Kali Yuga Commencement. Naturally,
it is evident that relying on the beginning of Kaliyuga Era and holding
that the War took place just before the commencement of Kaliyuga, this
inscription is prepared. It is obvious from the Mahabharat that the War
did not happen near about the beginning of Kaliyuga. (I have considered
this problem fully at a later stage.) If we can see that the inscription
is prepared by relying on some false assumption, we have to neglect it
because it has no value as an evidence. Moreover the interpretation done
by the scholars is doubtful because they have not considered the clauses
separately and they held Bharat War and Kali Era as one and the same.

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_vartak.html

 
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1. "The Greek Ambassodor Magasthenis has recorded that 138 generations
have passed between Krishna and Chandragupta Maurya. Many scholars have
taken this evidence, but taking only 20 years per generation they fixed
the date of Krishna as 2760 years before Chandragupta. But this is wrong
because the record is not of ordinary people to take 20 years per generation.
In the matter of general public, one says that when a son is born a new
generation starts. But in the case of kings, the name is included in the
list of Royal Dynasty only after his corona- tion to the throne. Hence,
one cannot allot 20 years to one king. We have to find out the average
per king by calculating on various Indian Dynasties. I have considered
60 kings from various dynasties and calculated the average of each king
as 35 years. Here is a list of some of important kings with the no. of
years ruling.



      Chandragupta Mourya      330-298 B.C.     32 years.
Bindusar 298-273 B.C. 25 years.
Ashok 273-232 B.C. 41 years.
Pushyamitra Shunga 190-149 B.C. 41 years.
Chandragupta Gupta 308-330 A.D. 22 years.
Samudragupta 330-375 A.D. 45 years.
Vikramaditya 375-414 A.D. 39 years.
Kumargupta 414-455 A.D. 41 years.
Harsha 606-647 A.D. 41 years.
---------
327 years.

The average is 327/9 = 36.3 years.



Multiplying 138 generations by 35 years we get 4830 years before Chan-
dragupta Mourya. Adding Chandrgupta's date 320 B.C. to 4830 we get 5150
B.C. as the date of Lord Krishna.



2. Megasthenis, according to Arian, has written that between Sandro-
cotus to Dianisaum 153 generations and 6042 years passed. From this data,
we get the average of 39.5 years per king. From this we can cal- culate
5451 years for 138 generations. So Krishna must have been around 5771 B.C.



3. Pliny gives 154 generations and 6451 years between Bacchus and Alexander.
This Bacchus may be the famous Bakasura who was killed by Bhimasena. This
period comes to about 6771 years B.C.



Thus Mahabharat period ranges from 5000 B.C. to 6000 B.C.


 
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THE EXACT DATE OF MAHABHARAT WAR

16TH OCTOBER 5561 YEAR B.C.



Harivansh (Vishnu Purana A. 5) states that when Nanda carried Krishna
to Gokul on Shravan Vadya Navami day, there was dry cow-dung spread all
over the ground and trees were cut down. The presence of Dry Cowdung all
over in Gokul indicates the presence of Summer in the month of Shravan.
Trees are usually cut down in Summer to be used as fuel in the rainy season.
The seasons move one month backwards in two thousand years. Today the rainy
season starts in Jeshtha but two thousand years ago, at the time of KaIidas,
rainy season used to start in Ashadha. At the time of Krishna's birth the
Summer was in the month of Shravan while today it is in Vaishakha. Thus
the summer is shifted by four months, hence Krishna's period comes to 4x2000
= 8000 years ago approximately. This means about 6000 years B.C., the same
period we have seen above.



At the time of Mahabharat, the Vernal Equinox was at Punarvasu. Next
to Punarvasu is Pushya Nakshtra. Vyas used "Pushyadi Ganana"
for his Sayan method, and called Nirayan Pushya as Sayan Ashvini. He shifted
the names of further Sayan Nakshtras accordingly. At that time Winter Solstice
was on Revati, so Vyas gave the next Nakshatra Ashvini the first palee
in the Nirayan list of Nakshatras. Thus he used Ashvinyadi Ganana for the
Nirayan method. Using at times Sayan names and at times Nirayan names of
the Nakshatras, Vyas prepared the riddles. By the clue that Nirayan Pushya
means Sayan Ashvini, it is seen that Nirayan names of Nakshatras are eight
Nakshatras ahead of the Sayan names Thus the Saturn in Nirayan Purva, and
Sayan Rohini, Jupiter was in Nirayan Shravan, and Sayan Swati (near Vishakha),
while the Mars was in Nirayan Anuradha, and Sayan Magha, Rahu was between
Chitra and Swati, by Sayan way means it was in Nirayana. Uttara Ashadha
(8 Nakshtras ahead). From these positions of the major planets we can calculated
the exact date. My procedure is as follows:



I found out that on 5th May 1950, the Saturn was in Purva Phalguni.
From 1950 I deducted 29.45 years to get the year 1920 when the Saturn was
again in Purva. In this way I prepared a vertical column of the years when
the Saturn was in Purva. Similarly, I prepared vertical columns of the
years when the Jupiter was in Shravan and Rahu in Uttara Ashadha. Then
I searched in horizontally to find out the year common in all the three
columns. It was 5561-62 B.C. when all the three great planets were at the
required places. Then I proceded for the detailed calculations.



Bhisma expired at the onset of Uttarayan i.e. on 22nd December. This
is a fixed point according to the modern Scientific Calendar. He was on
the arrow-bed for 58 nights and he had fought for ten days. Hence 68 days
earlier than 22nd December the War had started. This shows that the War
started on 16th October. We have to calculate the plane- tary positions
of 16th October 5561 B.C.


 
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Hereunder is provided a short table dates of important Mahabharat events
in years. (Dates and Tithis in years in Rama Samvat assuming Shri Rama
Samvat 1st January. 1 equivalent to 1st Jan 7323 B.C. Rama's birth date
has been conclusively proved to be 4th Dec. 7323 B.C.( "Vastav
Ramayan
").



    EVENT                                      DATE       


    Going to forest 4th Sept. 5574 BC

    Kitmeet Killed 7th Sept. 5574 BC

    Going underground 19th May 5562 BC

    Keechak killed 1st April 5561 BC

    Anukeechak-Massacre 2nd April 5561 BC

    End of secret life 9th April 5561 BC

    Cows stolen 15th April 5561 BC

    Arjuna exposed 16th April 5561 BC

    All pandavas exposed 19th April 5561 BC

    Marriage of Uttara 4th May.
    & Abhimanyu.

    Krishna set out for a treaty. 27th Sept.

    Stay at Upaplavya 27th Sept.

    Stay at Vrukshthala 28th Sept.

    Dinner to Brahmins 29th Sept.

    Entry into Hastinapur 30th Sept.

    Krishna meets Kunti etc. 1st Oct.

    Invited for meeting 2nd Oct.

    First meeting 3rd Oct.

    Second meeting and an attempt 4th Oct.
    to arrest Krishna.

    Third meeting Vishvaroopa 7th Oct.

    Stay at Kunti 8th Oct.

    Krishna meets Karna. War 9th Oct.
    fixed.

    Krishna returns 9th Oct.

    Pandavas preparation 11th Oct.
    Balaram's visit.

    Mahabharat war started 16th Oct.

    Abhimanyu killed 28th Oct. 5561 BC.

    End of War 2nd November 5561 B.C.

    Yudhishthira crowned 16th Nov. 5551 BC.

    Bhishma expired 22nd Dec. 5561 BC

    Pandava campaign 15th Jan. 5560 BC
    for wealth

    Parikshita born 28th Jan. 5560 BC

    Pandavas return 25th Feb. 5560 BC

    Ashvamedh Deeksha. 1st March 5560 BC

    Return of Arjuna Horse 15th Jan. 5560 BC

    Ashvamedh yajna 22nd Feb. 5559 BC

    Dhrutarashtra went to forest 18th Aug. 5545 BC

    Pandavas visited Kunti 18th Aug. 5543 BC
    Vidura expired

    Death of Kunti, Dhrutarashtra, Sept./Oct. 5541 BC
    and Gandhari

    Yadava Massacre 5525 B.C.

    Parikshit Dead 5499 B.C.




 
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balbahadur,

Jesus rising from the dead is a myth so is Mahabharat's supernatural powers. Sai baba producing objects out of thin air is magic trick.

I also believe that it's very common for us to raise some of us with extraordinary skills to the level of God. No human that ever walked this earth is God.

 
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pire bro
thanks for all the infos. 
Balbahadur bro,
Thanks for the enlightenment !

 
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Mahabharat was not written as a modern-day novel by a single author for an intended specific audience. The stories were passed orally for several generations before the advent of appropriate writing systems and written over a period of time. While the stories appear to be for the comsumption of the general masses, there is enough space for interpretation in several layers. So, even though the war in the epic most likely refers to some great war in history, the purpose of the epic, as envisaged by the authors, appears to have very little to do with reporting history alone. Consequently, its significance lies in its vastness in terms of the presentation of plots and philosophical insights, and the enormity of its influence on popular imagination rather than its historicity (which has remained debatable). 


 

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Arjun in a theme park in Java:


 



 
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Management Skills that can be learnt from Mahabharat which is still relevant in 21st century.
 
• Turn your weaknesses into strengths.
• Turn enemies into allies.
• Share your responsibilities.
• Teamwork scores over Individual Effort.
• Right Team = Right set of Individuals. Assign the right person for the right job.
• Commitment scores over Competence.
• Team interests over Individual interests.
• Know your enemy/challenges. Exploit its weaknesses. Take calculated risks.
• The Right Managers: To inspire, invigorate, and counsel in crisis.
• Know Ground realities. Accept different ideologies. Foster sharing and co-operation.
• Empower Women. Gender Balance is required for stability and administration
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2vhCPBjqcA
 
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It was enlightening.  Years, decades, centuries pass and what remains is memory... 

 
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