नेपालभासया  महाकवि सिद्धिदास महाजुं "जिमिगु भाय नेवारी मखु नेपालभास  ख:" धका आन्दोलन न्ह्याकादीगु ८० दं ति दये धुन्कल | तर आ नं "नेवारी" धाइपिं यक्व हे दु | खस् भास छ्यलीपिन्सं ला "नेवारी" या सक्कली नां "नेपालभास" ख: धका ए मथू थें च्वन | न्ह्याथाय नं "नेवारी" "नेवारी" च्वया हैरान ए यायू | तर आ फेसबुक पाखें छगू बाँलागु ज्या जू वन | आ "नेवारी" मखु "नेपालभास" छ्यले मा: धैगु चेतना वइ कि?

Almost 80 years ago, the great poet Siddhidas Mahaju said "Our language is not 'Newari', it is Nepalbhas." But the word "Newari" is still used by many people. Most of them do not know what is wrong with "Newari", particularly among the "Khas" language users. Now the popular social network site has taken down the word "Newari" from its profile database. Thousand of pages using the word "newari" are replaced by "Nepalbhasha" according to an article posted on nepalmandal dot com.

I would appreciate if Sajha could also correct the wrongly used word.

Details here: http://www.nepalmandal.com/content/12548.html

फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकाल

न्ववाइगु भाय्‌या सूचीइ 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकयाः 'नेपालभाषा' तयेगु इनाप लिपा अन्ततः सोसल नेटवर्क साइट फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वःयात पूर्ण रुपं चिइकूगु दु । थ्वया लिपा आः फेसबुक छ्यलीपिं द्वलंद्वः नेवाःतय् प्रोफाइलय् न्ववाइगु भाषाया रुपय् नेपालभाषा धकाः खनेदये धुंकूगु दु ।

न्हूगु परिवर्तन लिपा फेसबुकय् थःम्ह न्ववाइगु भाय्‌ धकाः प्रोफाइलय् भाय्‌या नां 'nepal ..' निसें च्वयेगु शुरु याःसा 'Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अटो कम्पलिट अप्सन बिइ । अथे हे 'newa' प्यंगः आखः टाइप यायेवं 'Newar / Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अप्सन बिइ । यदि 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वत धाःसा उगु भाय्‌या नां स्वतः नेपालभाषा धकाः हिलाबिइ, 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वके बिइमखु । उलि जक मखु थ्व स्वयां न्ह्यः नेवारी धकाः थःगु भाय्‌या नां च्वयातःपिनि दक्वसिया प्रोफाइलय् 'Newar / Nepalbhasa' धकाः स्वतः हिउगु दु ।

लुमंके बह जू, विश्वया दक्वं भाषाया नां व कोड ISO या ज्या याइगु लाइब्रेरि अफ कंग्रेसलिसे नेवाःतय्‌सं न्ववाइगु भाय्‌यात नेपालभाषा धकाः च्वयेत इनाप लिपा न्हापा नेवारी धकाः जुयाच्वंगु नांयात छुं दँ न्ह्यः नेवारी, नेपालभाषा धकाः भिंकूगु खः । नेपालभाषाया ISO 639-2 कोड new खः ।

बीपी कोइरालाले चार दशकअघि 'राष्ट्रियता : नेपालको सन्दर्भमा' उठाएका प्रश्न:

'गोरखा राज्यको विस्तार राष्ट्रिय एकताको अभियान थिएन, न त्यस समयका शासकहरू नेपाली राष्ट्रिय भावनाले प्रेरित नै।... गोर्खाली राजाहरूले विजयÐअभियान प्रारम्भ गरेका थिए र तिनीहरूको चरित्र विजेताको थियो, राष्ट्रिय नेताको होइन, जसले गर्दा विजित देशहरूका राजा र प्रजाहरूसँग कोमल व्यवहार गरिएन। काठमाडौंका नेवारी प्रजाहरूलाई अद्यावधि त्यसको गुनासो छ।'

That is why BP was trying to annex nepal to india.

Ok let' say  we accpet whatever sula said is right. sukla cited all khas bahuns-koirala, bhattari, mishra, regmi to prove his point. Now how come all these khas/bahuns have become massiha for Newars? It shows how some newars are so conservative in thier mind set when it comes to villifying not only bhauns, but rest of all other caste. If i say you are right, then why do not you agree their contribution to your so called " jatiya unmukti andolan". Eitherway, they sounds smarter than you right?

Coming back to the arguments, B.P did want to annex nepal into india, he publicly said that.  King Mahendra that is why against BP, rastriya mel milap niti was a ploy to destroy nepal's political system-nothing else, BP was not sucessful thanks to Mahendra and King Birendra who were patrotic.

B R bhattari kya to kya kehena- he is the one who wanted to curtail budget for Indrajatra. On which graound you think he will protect your movement, who in a first place wants to destroy and uproot our culture.

About chitayna mishra's argument, dhungedharas are lichhavi's innovation not malla's. Someone above posted that already.

Again, these are not the big issue, big issue is  that it is wrong to argue Newars are surpressed, while they continue to enjoy better business oppurtunites all along the countries. Infact, it is after PN Shah united,  they been able to exapand their business through out the country.  Example, small newar towns out of KTM- like bandipur, palpa, waling/putlibajar-syangja, biratnagar, birgunj, pokhara and so on. Now do not tell me PN SHAH le newar lai KTM bhagayo and they went on to settle in these places.So it is wrong to argue newar are surpressed and it is even more wrong that they have been surpressed by the other community.

Daboo,

I will answer you what a Nepali Culture is.

It is a culture that represents the whole Nepal and its a basket that contains all the sub cultures ( not equally but every culture has its share)  Its a culture of chua chut, upper caste lower cast in Newars, Brahmin, chettries, Gurugn, Rai, Tharu, Rajbansi,  Muslims and others.  Nepali cultures includes the concept of large joint family, arrange marriages (mostly) and huge feasts and festivals from different castes and tribes. The culture that celebrates festivals like CHATH, Dashain, Tihar, Indra Jatra, Bisket, Kumari, Eed Mubarak, Loshar and many others.

Nepali culture is highly influenced by the exotic tales and scripts from Hinduism. It is also influenced by Buddism and christianity. We nepalase are open minded, we welcome the guests and we try to be cool with everyone( with a very little exception)

We Nepali enjoy eating our famous Daal Bhat Tarkari twice a day....we also like eating Momo, Choila, Chola, Chaat, samosa, Sel roti and many other food famous for different tribes.

Daboo....you have tried very hard to keep your posting as civil as you can by addressing it to KHAS but it is pretty obvious that your anger is towards Bahuns and Chettries. I can see how much pain you are in.

Sukla,


नेपालका अन्य भासहरु (नेवार, राई, लिम्बु, मगर, मैथिली, थारु, भोजपुरी आदि ) के छुट्टै भाषा होइन र? खसहरु त dialect पो भन्दै छन् | folk languages (लोक / झ्याउरे भासा) पो भन्दै छन् | किन कि उनीहरु "खस्" भाषा नै एकमात्र "नेपाली" भाषा हो भन्ने देखाउन मरिहत्ते गरि लागि परेका छन् |

Who in this forum has claimed that Nepali Bhasha is the only bhasha in Nepal. Nepali bhasha is the national bhasha of Nepal, not the ONLY bhasa in Nepal. Other Bhasas are equally important and should be equally respected as well.

For your knowlege, any language that does not have a code ( A Leepi) is considered a dialect. In that sense even our national language Nepali could be categorized as a Dialect.

I do not now how Mahendra came up with Newari Lipis to present it at UN as there are not even 10 Newars left who can actually write in Newari. Instead of learning and promoting the language Newars are busy spreading hatred and blaming others for their incompetencies.

According to Darwin...the nature selects what needs to survive. Lazy Newars who are in their own little box are helping prove Darwin's theory. I am not making a personal statement. Just reciting Darwin. Like Daboo was citing all the Bahuns who wrote Newar history he seemed to agree a lot with. Were not there any Newars who could write books about themselves??

enough is enough. i'm seeing this discussion from many days. hey anti newar people. what are you trying to prove man ???? padhera dherai sahera basen. aba sahana sakina. kahile dhal ma mula pakhali khane bhaneko chha, kahile pakhandi bhanechha, kahile conservative bhanechha. kahile ke kahile ke. ke ho yo ??? khas bahun haru udar re ??? yahi ho timi haru ko udarta ????
aafno bhasa, aafno community lai maya garda conservatibe bhanne timi haru conservative ki newar haru conservative ??? newar haru mathi yasari apasabda bolna banda gara.
nepali bhayeko ma garba chha malai, tara newar hunu ma pani tyattikai garba chha. newar hun bhandaima nepali haina bhaneko chhaina kasaile. nepal bhasa lai maya gardai ma khas bhasa lai ghrina gareko chhaina kasaile.
yahan nepal bhasa bhanna sakine ya newar bhasa bhanna sakine bhasa ko nam bigarera newari bhanindai chha. tyo euta correct garne kura ma yatro radako machaunu parchha. nam je bhaye pani hunchha bhaye ke khas bhasa ko nam kina bigarnu nahune. tara hamile bigareka chhainau.
please discuss the subject in gentle way. why you are using uncivilized language ????

Bakungwara,

The message was not directed to Newars like you  who have respect for the common language. You have garba of being a Nepali and also a garba of being Newari, that is all we can ask from each and every Nepali nationals.

This thread for hypocratic morons who think their language has been suppressed by other languages and who think that their language is higher than others. This thread is no longer about calling Newari Bhasha to Nepal Bhasha. I do not think anyone on the board has any problem with Calling Newari bhasha a Nepal Bhasha or even Nepali Bhasha.

My posts are directed to those narrow minded Newars who think KHAS people (Chetrries and bahuns per their definition) are responsible for their cultural demise.

One sentence says it all. This is the Muul mantra. The word “NEPALI” is the mainstay of the Khas dominance. As the word “NEPALI” goes, so goes the Khas dictate.

 LoL I am writing that, because things just don’t pope up in my brain like in yours. You know there is a constitutional assembly in Nepal?? You know it has Newar members elected by KTM people and you know what is written in draft constitution of tomorrow’s Nepal? The draft constitution defines citizens of Nepal as Nepali citizen; they have used Nepali word many times. They also have said “sarkari kamkaaj ko bhasa” is Nepali.LOL, they have used words like “Nepali Nagarik” and in the passport of Nepal is also written bearer of this passport is Nepali citizen.

So, what are you doing to avoid this?? Just coming here and complaining?? Are you going to start a jihad against the use of word”Nepali” in constitution of republic of Nepal?

Have you ever approached the members of constitutional assembly whom you voted, to avoid the use of word Nepali? Tell me? Or your aim is to divide society?

Are you saying that you don’t agree with them and don’t respect the constitution written by people voted by you? May be you want Panchayeti constitution back. You have no option left my friend either accept the constitution or go against it. Which is your way?? If you accept constitution then yes I am saying it loud and clear you can’t avoid using word Nepali even if there is a Newa Rajya. What are you going to do, burn the constitution? Even after doing that you can’t avoid the use of word Nepali. Run my friend run and hide in your own dream instead of facing the reality.

 In the name of democracy and with the help of the rest of subjugated people of Nepal turned the table around and kicked the ruling class hard on the face, fell them to the ground and snatched the reign of power. Now they want to propagate their dominance behind the mask of Democracy.

 This para says who you really are and what you want in reality, haha Thanks for unmasking yourself, a wolf in disguise.

 Still no one has answered me about the definition of what is NEPALI Culture is and what it entail while Dharke has gone deep into flipping the pages of history to copy me the same old story I heard so many time and read them

 At this stage of life if you don’t know what Nepali culture is then you are a lost case,  didn’t you learn anything in school?  didn’t they teach you in school? then go and ask   money back from school. And don’t try to play innocent.

Facts and proper evidences had to be had coming from some real impartiality and reputed institution and needs to be verified and re-verified before we can run with it like Dharke does.

 Lol….. Now you realize it ha?  We need to verify and seek for impartial opinion but don’t you think you need to do the same thing for your claims. If yes then, you have claimed here many things but where are impartial opinion and opinion from reputed institution for your proud claims. Before coming here and claiming something you should have tried, at least, to understand different opinion about your claims. If you had done that youwouldnot be  coming here and proudly derogate certain community and claim so many things, and I wouldn’t have  answerd you.

 Before getting impartial and expert opinion you should at least know the existence of different opinion, when I tried to show you that you started personal attack on me saying, “parrot memory” information recycle” “cut and paste”, monologue, boring etc. That means you knew existence of different opinion and you understand the importance of impartial opinion but with all these knowledge you came here to tell only your side of the story? Where were your values and thoughts at that time? Now you are trying to tell me what democracy is? Once again I say think before what you write. And don’t answer with personal ego. Why don’t you practice your thinking yourself first? Everyone is expected to do so,  no?

 I read them with a grain of salt and I do no believe in hear say and I would not rely too much on it but rather prefer to read between the lines so that ideas and thoughts pop-up in my head and rationale that is more conducive to human logic than reading blindly and memorizing as a parrot.

 Yeah, while reading between the lines you forgot to read the lines themselves and again attacking me. Read between the lines, no problem but don’t forget to read the lines and understand what is written in black and white and don’t extrapolate your understanding.hear say??? lol from where you got you magic number 2000?? were you there with your time machine?? and counted their tuppi? I think while answering me, you are invalidating your own posting, keep it like that I am enjoying it.

 Yeah, you don’t believe in hear say, LOL, but you failed to produce evidence of your claims. You are running after PNS saying him”khas” but someone else already said he is not “khas. Bravo

The level of your intelligence is already understood when  you wrote  “grammatically dis-advantaged” without even trying to find out whether those words (nepalis etc ) exits or not and when some one answered it you refer to “encyclopedia Britannica” Bing, Goggle . Lol …..Were you getting your popped up knowledge from encyclopedia Britannica, and by Bing and Google? If yes then you don’t want to accept any other sources of knowledge like ppl referred to?

 And you have accused me of being “parrot memory”. First, once again, speak for yourself, second, you don’t know me personally,   is your nature to accuse someone without evidence?? Is that the type of democracy you are talking about?  Don’t you even feel that you have responsibility to produce evidence before to use such words against someone? Is that the level of your intelligence, or someone in your dream came and told you that “dharke” has parrot memory, which one is true? you decide and let us know, or may be this is your understanding of reading between the lines? LOL

 I would not rely too much on it but rather prefer to read between the lines so that ideas and thoughts pop-up in my head and rationale that is more conducive to human logic than reading blindly and memorizing as a parrot.

You know first gulf war started because Saddam read just between the lines what American ambassador to Iraq said to him and failed to understand what was written in lines?

When Americans find Iraq was concentrating its forces in border area with Kuwait, US was concerned, US ambassador expressed their concerned to Saddam but also said

But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late '60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America…….

Instead of reading the lines which were written in black and white Saddam trying to be over smart, read between the lines and come to the conclusion by extrapolating his understanding of between the lines entered into war with Kuwait,  thinking that US will not take Kuwait's side in that war. And you know what happened next.

 So my friend, don’t try to be smart like Saddam, don’t jump into conclusion, don’t claim something without impartial opinion or without recognizing existence of different opinion  don’t  judge others based on your understanding, you think you and your culture is great but that doesn’t mean that your culture is perfect and have no weakness and therefore full proof . That does not mean other cultures are of lesser importance than yours

 You know what is different between citing, copy, paste and cheating?

I don’t claim myself as intelligent as you claimed yourself in your post and things just don’t pope up in my brain and I don’t get DEV bani in my dream,  so I have to seek what different people are saying  Use internet if I find something I use the source and  mention the sourceThat is called “Citing”

But use of others work without mentioning the source is cheating. You mentioned the magic number 2000, but never mentioned the source, you haven’t claimed that it just popped up in you brain and you have not claimed that some one in your dream told you that number. Still you haven’t answered me from where that number came.  So you are cheating aren’t you? If not tell me from where you got that number, save yourself from being a cheater. There are so many claims you made but never dare to give sources.

 And in this reply you said you need impartial opinion and opinion from reputed institution. Thanks god you accepted the existence of different opinion than yours. I don’t hesitate to thank you for accepting existence of different opinion. ------------Once again read below

खोजी पुरानो नेवार बस्तीको----------अमृत भादगाउँले,

शान्तकृष्ण श्रेष्ठ हिजोआज पुरातत्व विभाग धाइरहेका छन्, नेवारहरूको इतिहास खोतल्न।
नेवारहरूको सबभन्दा पुरानो बस्ती दोलखा भएको र उनीहरू त्यहीँबाट काठमाडौं प्रवेश गरेको दाबी गर्दै उनी विगतमा लेखिएको इतिहास सच्याउने अभियानमा जुटेका हुन्। इतिहासविद्हरूले भने नेवार समुदाय काठमाडौं उपत्यकाबाट बाहिरी जिल्लामा फिँजिएको बताउँदै आएका छन्।

श्रेष्ठ अध्यक्ष रहेको भिमेश्वर सामुदायिक विकास संस्थाले दोलखाको गहन अनुसन्धान माग गर्दै संस्कृति मन्त्रालय र पुरातत्व विभागमा छुट्टाछुट्टै निवेदन दिएको छ। यसै आधारमा मन्त्रालयले दोलखाको ऐतिहासिक, धार्मिक, सांस्कृतिक एवं पर्यटन क्षेत्र विकास गर्ने कार्ययोजना पारित गरिसकेको छ। विभागले पनि विकास कार्यक्रम स्वीकृतिका लागि राष्ट्रिय योजना आयोग पठाएको छ।

विभागका अनुसन्धान अधिकृत मोहनसिंह लामाका अनुसार आयोगबाट कार्यक्रम स्वीकृत हुनासाथ मध्यस्थकर्ता नियुक्त गरेर दोलखाको गहिरो प्रामाणिक अनुसन्धान सुरु गरिनेछ। 'त्यो अनुसन्धानबाट प्राप्त प्रतिवेदनका आधारमा थप अनुसन्धान गर्छौं,' उनले भने।
दोलखा बजार (भिमेश्वर नगरपालिकाको वडा नं २, ३ र ४) को अध्ययन अपुरो भएको बताउँदै श्रेष्ठले २०५७ सालदेखि गहन अनुसन्धानको माग गर्दै आएका हुन्।
इतिहासशिरोमणि बाबुराम आचार्यले दोलखाको इतिहास पूर्ण नभएसम्म नेपालको इतिहास पूरा हुँदैन भनेका छन्। विगतमा अध्ययन गर्ने इतिहासकारहरू मोहन खनाल, धनबज्र बज्राचार्य र टेकबहादुर श्रेष्ठले पनि दोलखाको थप अध्ययन आवश्यक भएको बताएका थिए।
काठमाडौंभन्दा दोलखा पुरानो नेवार बस्ती हो भन्ने केही आधार छन्, श्रेष्ठसँग। नेपालमा पहिलो सिक्का निष्कासन दोलखाका राजा जयइन्द्रसिंह देवले गरेका हुन्। विक्रम संवत १५९१ देखि १६०५ सम्म दोलखाको राजगद्दी सम्हालेका जयइन्द्रसिंहले कान्तिपुरका राजा महिन्द्र मल्लले भन्दा झण्डै १५ वर्षअघि चाँदीको मोहर चलाएको प्रमाणित भइसकेको छ। खनाल, बज्राचार्य र श्रेष्ठको अध्ययनले पनि यही देखाउँछ। तर, महिन्द्र मल्लले पहिलोपटक सिक्का निष्कासन गरेको भ्रम फिँजाइएको छ। सामान्य ज्ञानहरूमा पनि यही लेखिएको छ।
सन् १९८९ मा लन्डनबाट प्रकाशित 'क्वाइन्स अफ नेपाल' पुस्तकमा दोलखा राज्यको सिक्कालाई हिन्दुहरूको पहिलो सिक्का मानिएको छ। चाँदीको मोहरमा एकापट्टी जयइन्द्रसिंह देव र अर्कापट्टी उनकी महारानी विजयालक्ष्मीको नाम लेखिएको छ। काठमाडौंको राष्ट्रिय संग्रहालयमा एउटामात्रै मोहर सुरक्षित छ। श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्, 'काठमाडौं उपत्यकाका राज्यहरूभन्दा दोलखा विकसित र पुरानो भएकाले त्यहाँ पहिले सिक्का निष्कासन भयो।'
इतिहासअनुसार विसं १६०५ मा राजा जयइन्द्रसिंहको निधन भयो। त्यसपछि १६५५ मा कान्तिपुरका राजा शिविसिंहले दोलखाका राजा भीष्मदेवलाई परास्त गरे। त्यो बेलादेखि दोलखा कान्तिपुरको अधिनमा आयो।

राजा महिन्द्र मल्लले सिक्का निष्कासन गरेपछि दोलखाको इतिहास मेटाएको आरोप लगाउँछन्, श्रेष्ठ। हिमाली अधिराज्यका मुद्रा विशेषज्ञ मानिएका बेलायती नागरिक निकोलस रोड्सले एक ठाउँमा महिन्द्र मल्लले जयइन्द्रसिंहले निकालेका मोहर गालेको लेखेका छन्। दोलखा भाषाको लिपि पनि यसैगरी मेटाइएको श्रेष्ठको आशंका छ।

इष्ट देवता
भिमसेन नेवार समुदायका इष्टदेवता हुन्। दोलखा बजारमा भिमेश्वर मन्दिर छ। श्रेष्ठका अनुसार त्यतिखेर काठमाडौंबासीले दोलखाको नक्कल गरेर भिमसेन मूर्ति यहाँ स्थापना गरेका हुन्। उनको प्रश्न छ, 'काठमाडौंभन्दा पुरानो बस्ती नभएको भए कसरी दोलखाबाट भिमसेन यता ल्याइन्थ्यो ?'

इष्टदेवताका विषयमा संस्कृतिविद् सत्यमोहन जोशीको विचार पनि केही हदसम्म मेल खान्छ। काठमाडौंका मुख्यमुख्य मन्दिरमा रहेका भिमसेन दोलखाबाटै ल्याइएको उनी स्वीकार गर्छन्।
यसमा श्रेष्ठको तर्क भने यस्तो छ, 'भिमसेनको मूर्ति सारिएको होइन, उस्तै बनाइएको हो। सारिएको भए त अहिले दोलखामा भिमेश्वरमा मन्दिर अस्तित्वमा रहने नै थिएन।'

भाषा
भाषाको हिसाबले पनि दोलखा महत्त्वपूर्ण छ। दोलखा भाषा मौलिक नेवार भाषा भएको उनी दाबी गर्छन्।
संस्कृतिविद् जोशी पनि शुद्धताका हिसाबले काठमाडौंको भन्दा दोलखाको नेवार भाषा शुद्ध भएको स्वीकार गर्छन्। 'दोलखाको भाषा हाम्रै हो, यसको संरक्षण गर्नुपर्छ,' नेपाल भाषा एकेडेमीका कुलपतिसमेत रहेका जोशी भन्छन्, 'तर यसलाई सबैतिर चलाउँछु भन्नु व्यावहारिक हुँदैन। कुन पुरानो हो भन्ने विषयमा अनुसन्धान हुनुपर्छ।'
अध्येताहरूका अनुसार काठमाडौंमा प्रचलित नेवार भाषाका सात रूप छन् भने दोलखा भाषामा ३१ वटा। दोलखा भाषाको स्वरलहर पनि फरक छ। यसको लिपि छैन। परापूर्वकालमा दोलखाबाट नेवारसँगै दोलखा भाषा पनि काठमाडौं प्रवेश गरेको र फरक ठाउँमा भाषा सरलीकृत भएको श्रेष्ठ ठोकुवा गर्छन्।

संस्कृति
दोलखामा ३ सय ६५ दिन ४ सयभन्दा बढी सांस्कृतिक पर्व मनाइने गरेको श्रेष्ठ बताउँछन्। कहिलेकाहीँ त दिनमै दुई-तीनवटा पर्व पर्छ। तीमध्ये अहिले केही लोप भइसकेका छन्।

दोलखामा मच्छिन्द्रनाथको जात्रा निकालिन्छ। त्यहाँको तुलनामा काठमाडौंको भूमि समथर छ। रथ तान्न सजिलो हुन्छ। तर पहाडी बस्ती भएकाले रथ यात्रा गर्न गाह्रो हुँदाहुँदै पनि दोलखामा सदियौंदेखि यो जात्रा चलिरहेको छ। श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्, 'मच्छिद्रनाथको मात्रै होइन, अरू जात्रा पनि दोलखाबाट काठमाडौं लगिएका हुन्। काठमाडौंबाट ल्याएको भए त यस्तो अप्ठ्यारो भूबनोटमा किन जात्रा चलाउँथे होला र ?'

दोलखामा भैरवकुमारी नाच ५ रात देखाइन्छ। यो जात्रा काठमाडौंमा पाइन्न। भैरवकुमारी नाचका नायक नेवार समुदायको शिवभक्ति जातिका हुन्छन्। उनीहरूको बसोबास दोलखामा मात्रै छ। 'यसले पनि काठमाडौंभन्दा दोलखा पुरानो बस्ती भएको पुष्टि गर्छ,' श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्।

पश्चिम नेपालका नेवार आफूहरू काठमाडौं उपत्यकाबाट आएको बताउँछन्। ज्यापुहरू आफूलाई काठमाडौंको आदिवासी मान्छन्। उनीहरू भोटबाट नेपाल आएको स्वीकार गर्छन्। तर, सुरुमा उनीहरू कताबाट काठमाडौं प्रवेश गरे ? यो प्रश्नको उत्तर खोज्न दोलखाको गहिरो र प्रामाणिक अध्ययन गरिनुपर्ने देखेका छन्, श्रेष्ठले।

अन्य इतिहासविद्हरूको मत भने उनीसँग बाझिन्छ।

त्रिरत्न मानन्धर दोलखालाई नेवारहरूको पुरानो बस्ती मान्दैनन्। 'दोलखाको नेवार बस्

त्रिरत्न मानन्धर दोलखालाई नेवारहरूको पुरानो बस्ती मान्दैनन्। 'दोलखाको नेवार बस्ती सबभन्दा पुरानो हो भन्ने कुनै प्रमाण फेला परेको छैन,' उनले भने। उनका अनुसार काठमाडौंमा इस्वी संवत १० र ११ औं शताब्दीको नेपाल भाषाको लिपि र प्रमाण भेटिएको छ। 'त्यतिबेला दोलखा राज्य अस्तित्वमै आएको देखिँदैन,' उनी भन्छन्, 'तर, पुरानो बस्ती हो कि होइन भन्ने निक्र्योल गर्न दोलखाको समाजशास्त्रीय र भाषिक अनुसन्धान हुनु जरुरी छ।'

श्रेष्ठको आफ्नै तर्क छ। इतिहासअनुसार लिच्छिवीकालअघि किराँतकाल थियो। दोलखा राज्य किराँतकालमै अस्तित्वमा रहेको आधार पाइन्छन्। दोलखामा किराँती छाप भन्ने ठाउँसमेत छ। दोलखा बजारको ठूलो स्वयम्भु स्तुपको पेटीसागै किराँती राज्यको सिमास्तम्भ छ। यहाँ केही वर्ष अघिसम्म पूर्वका किराँतहरू पूजा गर्न आउँथे। त्यस्तै किराँतकालीन धारो 'राइती' पनि छ। श्रेष्ठ तर्क गर्छन्, 'नेवारमात्र होइन, अन्य सभ्यता पनि दोलखाबाट सुरु भएको हुन सक्छ।'

त्यही भएर स्थानीय समुदाय दोलखालाई नेवार धामका रूपमा स्थापित गरी धार्मिक पर्यटनको केन्द्र बनाउन कस्सिएको छ। 'यसका लागि दोलखाली र राज्यले पहल गर्नुपर्छ,' श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्, 'पहिले दोलखाको इतिहास लेखिनुपर्यो।'

दोलखा बजार
काठमाडौंदेखि दोलखा बजारसम्म सडक यातायातको दुरी १ सय ३४ किलोमिटर छ। बजारमा करिब ५ हजार मानिस बस्छन्। नेवार, थामी, तामाङ र दमाइ बढी छन्। बजार प्रवेश गर्ने ठाउँमा भर्खरै राजा जयइन्द्रसिंह देवमा समर्पित ढोका निर्माण गरिएको छ।
मन्दिर र बिहारमात्रै होइन, कलात्मक आँखीझ्याल भएका घर र दरबार पनि छन् यहाँ। कतिपय कलात्मक घर र दरबार जिर्ण भइसकेका छन्। बहाल टोलको रानी दरबारको पनि बिजोगै छ। पुरानो दरबार भत्किएको ठाउँमा राजकुलेश्वर निम्न माध्यमिक विद्यालय ठडिएको छ। टक्सार भवन जिर्णोद्धार गरी संग्रहालय बनाउने अभियानमा जुटेको छ, द्वाल्खा गुठी ।
यसबाहेक कुमारी घर, त्रिपुरा सुन्दरी, तलेजु भवानी, महादेव आदिका मन्दिर र ९ वटा चैत्य छन्। यति सानो बस्तीमा मठ, मन्दिर, पोखरीलगायत एक सय १४ वटा सांस्कृतिक सम्पदा छन्। 'यसले पनि दोलखाको ऐतिहासिकता पुष्टि गर्छ,' श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्।

भिमेश्वर मन्दिरमा धार्मिक पर्यटकको घुइँचो लाग्छ। संस्कृतिकर्मी शान्तकृष्ण श्रेष्ठका अनुसार भिमेश्वरको दर्शनबिना पशुपतिनाथको दर्शन अपुरो मानिन्छ। जनकपुरको रामजानकी मन्दिर र भिमेश्वरलाई एकिकृत गरी गुरुयोजना तर्जुमा गर्नुपर्ने मागका साथ संस्कृतिमन्त्रीलाई पनि भेटिसकेको उनले बताए। सरकारले 'भीमेश्वर जनकपुर बृहत्तर क्षेत्र विकास योजना' लागू गरे हिमाली, पहाडी र तराईबासीबीच सहिष्णुताको नाता अझ गाढा हुने उनको भनाइ छ।

दोलखा भाषा
दोलखा भाषाको लिपि छैन। काठमाडौं र दोलखाका नेवारले प्रयोग गर्ने भाषाको फरक बुझ्न केही शब्द हेरौं। पानीलाई दोलखाली 'लोखु' भन्छन् भने काठमाडौंकाले 'ल'। किताबलाई दोलखालीले 'साँफर' भन्छन् भने काठमाडौंमा 'सफु' भनिन्छ। दोलखाली अर्धांगिनीलाई 'कलात' भन्छन् भने काठमाडौंमा 'कला'। दोलखालीले राम्रोलाई 'बाँलकु' भन्छन् भने काठमाडौंमा 'बाँला' भनिन्छ। त्यस्तै मिठोलाई 'साकु' भनिन्छ भने काठमाडौंमा 'सा' मात्रै भन्छन्। डराउनेलाई दोलखालीले 'ग्याफर' भन्छन् भने काठमाडौंका नेवार 'ग्याफ' भन्छन्।

२०५२ मा तत्कालीन दोलखा गाविस अध्यक्ष रविभक्त श्रेष्ठ, वकिल प्रविण प्रधान, शिक्षक भरत श्रेष्ठ, तीर्थनारायण जोशी र शान्तकृष्ण श्रेष्ठलगायत मिलेर 'कुल्सी परिवार गठन' गरिएको थियो। यसले 'कुल्सी हवाई पत्रिका प्रकाशन गथ्र्यो, जसका सम्पादक तीर्थनारायण जोशी थिए। चार वर्ष प्रकाशन भएको पत्रिकाले दोलखा भाषाको संरक्षण र प्रचारमा सहयोग पुर्याएको थियो। आफ्नै लिपि नभएकाले देवनागरी लिपिमै त्यो पत्रिका छापिन्थ्यो।
केही समयपछि यही उद्देश्यले 'बाँपीझ्याला' पत्रिका पनि प्रकाशन हुन थाल्यो। कालान्तरमा दुवै पत्रिकाले विश्राम लिए। केही समयपछि 'अभयपुर' मासिक पत्रिका दोलखा भाषा र राष्ट्रिय भाषामा प्रकाशन भयो। यसअघि पनि कालिञ्चोक युथ क्लबको आँखा, द्वाल्खा गुठीको स्मारिका, तिलिञ्चो परिवारको 'चिमाल' प्रकाशन भएका थिए। आँखा पत्रिका अझै प्रकाशन भइरहेको छ।

नेवार जाति होइन, समुदाय हो। यो समुदायभित्र थरिथरिका जाति छन्। उनीहरू काठमाडौंमा कहिले आए भन्ने ऐतिहासिक प्रमाण भेटिएको छैन। वंशावलीलाई आधार मान्दा नेपालको पहिलो राजवंश गोपालवंश (३८ सय वर्ष पहिलेको) हो। अहिले पनि चित्लाङ, कीर्तिपुर, मत्स्य गाउँ, बज्रबाराही र मातातिर्थमा गोपाली जातिको बस्ती छ। नेवार समुदायभित्रका उनीहरू आफूलाई गोपालवंशको मान्छन्। नेपाल भाषामा उनीहरूलाई 'सापु' भनिन्छ। 'सा' को अर्थ गाई हो भने 'पु' को अर्थ पाल्ने। त्यसैले, गोपालवंशलाई पहिलो नेवार समुदाय मान्न सकिन्छ।

गोपालवंशको राज्यकाल करिब ५ सय वर्ष मानिएको छ। त्यसपछि डेढ सय वर्ष महिषपालको राज्य चल्यो। उनीहरूपछि किराँतहरूले अन्दाजी १२ सय वर्ष शासन गरे। इसाको पहिलो शताब्दीदेखि ९ औं शताब्दीसम्म लिच्छिवी शासन चल्यो। लिच्छवीपछि मध्यकाल सुरु भयो। त्यो समयमा देव नामधारी राजाले शासन गरेको भनिन्छ। तर, उनीहरूको वंश निश्चित गर्न सकिएको छैन। इसाको १३ औं शताब्दीमा आएर मल्लकाल सुरु भयो।

इतिहासशिरोमणि बाबुराम आचार्यले लिच्छिवीहरूलाई ज्यापु मानेका छन्। प्रामाणिक तथ्य भनेको इस्वी संवतको दसौं शताब्दीको नेवारी लिपि भेटिएको छ भने भाषाको अभिलेख ११ औं शताब्दीदेखिको पाइएको छ। त्यतिबेला नेवार प्रबुद्ध समुदायका रूपमा स्थापित भैसकेको देखिन्छ। त्यसअघिका नेवारसम्बन्धी अभिलेख पाइएको छैन।

मल्लकालमा नेवारी भाषालाई नेपाल भाषा भनिन्थ्यो। त्यसले सरकारी मान्यता पाएको थियो। यसलाई देश भाषा वा राष्ट्रभाषा पनि भनिन्थ्यो। चौधौं शताब्दीका राजा जयस्थिति मल्लले पेसाका आधारमा नेवार समुदायको वर्गीकरण गरे। त्यो बेलाको नेपालमण्डलमा अहिलेका १२ जिल्लाका भूभाग पर्छन्- काठमाडौं, भक्तपुर, ललितपुर, नुवाकोट, धादिङ, रसुवा, काभ्रे, सिन्धुपाल्चोक, मकवानपुर, दोलखा, सिन्धुली र रामेछाप।

नेवारहरू काठमाडौंबाट बाहिरी जिल्लामा गएका देखिन्छन्। मल्लकालमा नेपाल ५० भन्दा बढी राज्यमा विभक्त थियो। मल्लकालको बीच (१७ औं शताब्दी) तिरै काठमाडौंबाट नेवारहरू पश्चिम नेपालतिर बसाइ सरेको पाइन्छ। पहिले-पहिले व्यापारिक प्रयोजनका लागि उनीहरू काठमाडौंबाहिर पुगेका थिए भने पछि राजा रणबहादुर शाहले धेरैलाई काठमाडौं उपत्यकाबाट पूर्वतिर लखेटे।

रणबहादुरको शासनकालमा (इस्वी संवत १७९९ तिरको घटना) काठमाडौं उपत्यकामा बिफरको महामारी फैलियो। एकपटक बिफर आइसकेकालाई फेरि बिफर आउँदैन। नआएका बालबालिकालाई आउने सम्भावना रहन्छ। बिफर सरुवा रोग भएकाले आफ्नो मन परेको छोरो गिर्वाणयुद्ध बिक्रमलाई बिफरले सताउला भनेर राजा डराए। त्यही भएर उनले बिफर नआएका सबै बालबालिकालाई काठमाडौं उपत्यका छोडेर तामाकोसीपारि जान उर्दी जारी गरे। परिणामः आफ्ना छोराछोरीसहित रुँदै-कराउँदै धेरै नेवारहरूले उपत्यका छोड्नुपर्यो।

http://www.nagariknews.com/society/nation/4479-2009-08-29-04-02-48.html

 

Don’t try to jump to the conclusion by reading this and don’t think that I have given material to justify your claims.

Once again with the intelligence like yours Newari culture  doesn’t need any outsider for its demise.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1074955/kbrs_ambitions_and_nepali_laborers.html?cat=9

If you want to call Ram's father,Father of Ram...i have no problem with that.

Fine go ahead and call, Nepali Culture - The culture of Nepal.

I know what bothers you the most....it bothers you that those chettries and bahuns ( KHAS per your definition) call themselves Nepali instead of KHAS people. Guess what? We will go by the national identity...we are Nepali and we do not give a Crap on whatever the KHAS culture was....we are Nepali and we do not need any other identity.

Yes, if Hunan was ruled and if the winners had liked the name Hunan...we could have called ourself Hunali....( this was the most stupid metaphore you have said so far)

The common Language is called the NEPALI language, that is the name that is in use...Now if you want to Call NEWARI language a Nepali languae...that is fine with me too...As you want to be called NEWAR AMERICAN not Nepali AMERICAN.

Here is the info you are looking for from where 2000 came from .
read on and go figure
I hope the .gif loads here. If not i will convert to ms words if you  like
 

Daboo,

I do not need any information. Its you who needs more information. You have made it pretty clear on what exactly you are after on this thread.

Everyone need a chance at  life and I do not want to see only the Khas Bahun standing in the way with their nepotism and favoritism, natabadhi and kripabaadhi propagating only their own to the top echelon of the power structure and trying to enact laws and rules benefitting only their own clans to prop up their own power at the cost of so many talented and dedicated people of Nepal who can help build a better Nepal that what we have right now.

It seems like you are asking Bahun Chettries to do something for you? Should KHAS people force themselves to get low scores on Lok Seva tests, medical Entrance tests, and College entrance tests so that more Low Scored Newars can get it??? I do not know if that is what you are asking of or not? Why can't you and your friends do something on your own other than asking the hated KHAS group?

Nepotism and favoritism are real issues in Nepal...i am sure you raised real concerns when Ganesh Man Shrestha was handing positions to his son and wife rampantly back in his power days. I am also hopeful that you will raise voice for Newars to give up some of their anchesteriol trades to Bahun and Chettries because there are so many Newars in trades and less bahuns.

Daboo, I was waiting for the answer for the magic numbe 2000 too. You claimed to have posted the link in .gif which I don not see !! Am I missing something here ?
Daboo, what truthfulness and honesty are you talking about ? why don't you start from yourself ? why don't you first stop blaming others !! You are full of hatred.

चनाकोra Dabooko  लोक्-सेवाको रटान मैले बुझिन do they require you to be top-notch in Nepali (oops Khas language in your dictionary) just to answer those questions in that exam. I have never appeared to that test so I am not familiar !

बाँदर बढी बाठो भयो भने के भएर मर्छ भन्थे चनाको व्यबहार तेस्तै लाग्यो । चनालाई म के भन्न चाहन्छु भने,अलिकति पढे लेकेपछि 'मै डुम् मै राजा' भन्ने भाबले 'मेरो गोरुको बार्है टक्का' गर्दै हिंडेको मान्छेलाई म के भन्न चाहन्छु भने यस्ता वाइयात, बकम्फुसे कुरा गर्नु भन्दा प्रगतिशिल ठाउमा दिमाग खर्च गर। तिमी जातियताको कुरा निकाल्न चाहन्थेनौ भने यो धागो कुनाइ नेवारी साइटमा हुनु पर्थ्यो !! किन साझा (सबैको कमन)मा राख्यौ ?
 

lol, I am also waiting
He just loves to talk, without any responsibility, it seems

"You guys have confused the people of Nepal for nearly 240 years and gotten away with it. The day of judgment has come and those good old days of confusing people will be over soon. Tell the truth and accept the reality and try to die a happy man."

tounge of prachanda-absolute commie crap! and he is teling the truth to others and telling to accept it.. go daboo entertain us go  go I m with you..

newar, gurung, magar, madhesh yo sabai birsera singo nepal matra bhanera desh ko bikash sambhav chhaina, yeuta ghar ramro banna itta ko pani kura hunchha, cement ko pani kura hunchha, baluwa, gitti harek sabai milepachhi balla euta ramro ra baliyo ghar banchha. newar harule newar culture, language ko development ma lagnu parchha ra anya le aa aafno culture ra bhasa ko development ma . nepal ko pahichan bhaneko nai bibidhta ho. tyahi bibidhta herna ko lagi bideshi paryatak haru nepal aaune hun. aba yo bibidhta nai rahena bhane ke banki rahanchha yahan ? kura yatti ho ki aafu lai maya garda aru lai ghrina garnu hunna.
ra ahile nepali bhaniyeko bhasa lai khas bhasa bhanyo bhanera rishaunu parne karan pani chhaina yahan. kinaki yo bhasa ko purano nam yahi ho, khas bhasa or gorkha bhasa. aaja samma gorkhapatra sabaile dekhekai chha. sajha prakashan ko purano nam gorakha bhasa prakashan samiti thiyo bhanera kaslai thaha chhaina ra.
discrimination ko sawal ma eutai matra bhasa lai priority diyeko ta chha nai yahan, satyata swikarna saknu parchha. yahan anya jatjati le aafno iksha anusar aafno bhasa padhna paundainan, lekhna paundainan.  ma school ma chhanda teacher harule nepal bhasa boleko dekhda malai punish gariyeko thiyo. ahile office ma newar sathi haru nepal bhasa boleko dekhda office ma NEWARI nabolaun bhanera rokna aaunchha. sthaniya nikay ma sudda sthaniya bhasa ko nibedan reject hunchha. ahile nepali bhaniyeko khas bhasa khas bramhan haruko matri bhasa ho. aba jasko matri bhasa ho tiniharule jati ta aru kasaile ramro ra suddha bolna sakdai sakdainan. tyahi aadhar ma lok sewa ko exam bata matra khas bramhan ra kshetri matrai pass hunchhan, yahi ho discrimination. sabai lai saman abasar bhaye kasailai pani yahan asantusti hundaina thiyo ni. asaman paristhiti nai ho jasle asantusti janmayeko chha. malai khas bhasa prati kunai ghrina chhaina, malai ghrina yasto asaman prabritti prati chha.
ra sathi haru, my comments was not directed the people like you bhandai ma hundaina. community lai target garera comment rakhna banda garaun sabaile. sabaile means newar sathi harule pani. tee comments ma haru bhanne sabda le sabai community lai nai indicate garchha. malai lagchha sathi harule mero kura bujhnechhan.