Male Chauvinist Pig

Of all the people in the Sajha, you Behoove. I would have never expected you would resort to this. Now that you have done it and I have completely lost my will to participate in Sajha. I still love the dramatization that you have provided in the narration, I must be imagined as evil witch and you are on course on your witch hunt. I wish for similar dramatization here as in Julius Caesar with "Eh tu, Behoove." At the end of this story you will be knighted, and offered accolades in the forms of LIKES, while I will be one to be torched in my defiant act of standing out and speaking.

I still have fond memories of you while you may not remember me, I am actually subscribed to your post. Over the span of two years I have followed you in shadow. No doubt, you are a wordsmith as you are able to depict me as evil person hissing and my screams having  ability to shake your computer screen. I wish I had those abilities. I don't mind you attacking me, I just expected  you did that with more class.

My "F Yous" were directly at the site's administrator lack of moderation. I never wanted to attack any one personally. It could have been my frustration that lead to the outburst. I admit I might have gone little overboard. Yes, I was very angry. I might not have participated in Sajha as much as you did, nor have I offered in the magnitude you do, but somehow I used to feel there is bond among the people who travel and settle thousands of miles away from home. Sadly, those people still hold same mindset.  No matter how angry I was, I still felt bad for the outburst and decided that I should offer my apologies. I entered the room and I was demanded "An apology".  I just could not surrender myself to bruised egos.

You decided to use adjectives such as harlots, hooker to develop my character as such I will regard my anonymity as a boon. Did you see me Behoove calling names at Neo? I only directed two "F Yous" to him and reflect once that you might as well have daughter one day and these constant harassing will serve you reminder.

Why would I direct my fury at Neo? Because I felt he was responsible to keep things in order. I saw his lack of actions as silent endorsement  of things that keeps going on. I just had to make myself heard. Don't mistake my unwillingness to debate with something else, it was actually my respect for you that I did not want to get involved.  That is only reason I left the room in the first place.

Like you said, neo could care less about individual like me. I can agree to that.

I am glad we will never meet in person and I never proclaimed messiah in anonymity. In fact, you have proclaimed yourself as messiah of the "Male chauvinist pigs" by writing this diatribe. Only a male chauvinist can find relation between changing a tampon and banning a user.

 

Yours Truly

Ojaswi Rana

Dear Rana (not adding miss or mr because we all know what your gender now is), I do not care if you call me a chauvinist because you do not exist for me. You are someone who cried foul in the most demeaning fashion today and left us all aghast. That was very ‘un’woman like, considering you are one. In all honesty if all women were like you, I shall proudly call myself a chauvinist or a sexist. However your pea size brain perhaps failed to acknowledged that I vehemently defended Anne in the thread originated by masane. So I guess the fact that I am a chauvinist applies only to women with little morals, which, in this case is, none other than you. I am mortified that a person like you has subscribed to me; it is an utter shame on my part. If you are still struggling to understand what I mean, I stand behind my words because an inconsequential woman (or man) like you will best understand ‘that’ language. Were you polite to ne0, my tone would have been milder. I have a long history of being humble and polite, since you ‘subscribed’ to my posts, you should know that. But then again every individual has a tipping point, I am glad you saw mine, as ugly as it might have been I am proud of what I wrote, I just wanted to show you exactly where you belonged. I do not care if it were a personal attack to the admin or not, if you had enough guts you should have replied to masane and gorikopoi in your most combative self, but you did not, instead you choose ne0 only for the reason that he was not going to cuss you back. If you do not like sajha, quit coming, it’s not that you are paying ne0 for every visit. I am glad you are not coming back. Good riddance! Wait, did I just hear sabita bhabee whimper?

hehehe I guess only behooveji could write a story that begins with an F word and ends with a tampon. Anyways, behooveji you might be a good writer but I disagree that you are polite. For you to be polite, we will have to redefine the meaning of that word in the dictionary. Aren't you the guy who wrote condescendingly about hindu nepalese sisters worshipping shiva linga merely to get some thumbs up. A polite person will also not use such words like harlot to describe someone whom he happened to disagree with. Those are cheap words used by cheap people. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you are not, I challenge you to write a story that begins with the word scrotum and ends with the word testicles. I dare you Sir. I do not think Behooveji is an MCP, I think sometimes he just tends to behave like a pig.

I've seen classless disrespectful individuals cussing those 'F' words as their last resort of defense.
Freedom bro, I don't know how you take things but how would you feel if a guest slap you right under your ear just for petty reasons, say for not showing enough hospitality or say for not serving good food? Remember you are in your own house, you are the host and how would you feel that you are treated that way? Admin of the site to my knowledge was ill-treated in likely manner to which admin didn't really pay much of attention. It's his liberal attitude that he didn't retort back.

I'm simply taking Behoove's post as outpouring of sentiments to shield his friend from harms way, physical or emotional. You would do that, I would do that, we try our best to negate or shield it. Wouldn't you? There is no sexism here. It's just false accusation. You should not really jump to conclusion and side with wrong people without knowing the whole story. Words used were little harsh, but given the situation how it all started, this post I don't see even a tiny bit of being impolite or disrespectful. I am respectful and polite to others, but if someone takes it as my weakness, I don't take 'shit' either. Behoove did his best as what a good friend to another could have done.

Freedom, if you've frequented sajha chat as much as I do, you would have known what was going on, but brother, I've to admit, that whole incident, how it was instigated and what the culprit did and said, truth be told, ..I was astonished, the culprit looked total bipolar. 'really !'..

If they care about being emotionally hurt, they should care about how their words could have similar impacts on others. I am, in fact, amazed by their audacity to drop by and address someone defending his friend as 'pig'. To add more, how ridiculous it is to learn that they have demanding attitude as if they're paid members of the forum. I disagree to argue with people lacking even the simplest common sense as "Don't spit in the sky, that it comes in your face".

BT bro, I do not visit the chat site. However the lady has admitted in her post that she might have gone overboard. You cannot start a website like Sajha and expect everything to be hunky dory. I do not believe there could be any reasons to call her a harlot. There are better ways to get your points across. You cannot call someone a harlot at the same time claim moral high ground. This reminds me of those Nepalese guys who simply call girls "Randi" or "[Disallowed String for - use of word not allowed]" just because they would not give the guys any importance. Those are cheap behavior. Remember your mom, sister, wife are also women, you should be careful using words like harlot. Those are derogatory terms to the core. Come on it was just a chat. If she crossed her limits, Neo or San or whoever can ban her. I am sorry but only sick people would sanction usage of such words and that too over some chat. Behooveji is clever man, I am sure he could have used better words to describe his feelings. I did not call Behooveji a pig, I said he behaves like a pig. You know getting dirty and wallowing in shit. Look a chatroom is not a house. Anyways to answer your question, if a lady guest comes and chides me or slaps me for bad food, I had tell her to get out or I will call the cops. But rest assured brother, I will not address her as a harlot. Nor will I hit her. I have been raised as a gentleman. Behooveji's story is titled "A Vixen and a Gentleman". So who is this gentleman?. I guess he was referring to me. Who else could it be?. It cannot be him coz he used the word harlot on her. IT cannot be Neo coz he gave this story a thumbs up, thus sanctioning the usage of the word.

I was not refering you when I was making that comment. I should have written 'her' instead of 'their'. And, 
that 'pig' comment was not for you, Freedom.
Vixen was 'her' and gentleman was of course Neo, who took all bashing without a retort. I don't condone the
use of word like 'harlot' too but comparing some ill-mannered vixen to mom,sisters and her behavior
excusable on that ground, something doesn't seem right.
And, when I presented that analogy, I was not being sexist so I used unisex word 'Guest' instead I don't know why
you are getting my analogy as for 'lady'.
—I know chat is not a house, but analogy is the word to use when we compare two different things for explanation or clarification right?
Of hope, things got cleared here on.

Freedom2012 aka shivaji,
 
Hehe, here we go again! I am very well aware of your ire towards and the personal vendetta you have against me and I knew it only took you one person who would incriminate me in kurkani to have the floodgates of your dissent open.
 
Also ‘The enemy of an enemy is one’s best friend’ – how apt.
 
So the lady curses ne0 until her lungs dried amid a dozen people, comes back and says ‘I went overboard’, refuses to apologize for the damage she inflicted, and when I retorted back in similar fashion, all of a sudden I am a bad guy.
 
Freedom, I am sure you could find better reasons to belittle me.
 
But sire, your rant against me is mere circumstantial, based on what Ojaswi had written. Had you been in sajha board you would have known, but why would I even bother, for a guy who goes as far as calling ‘white people’ his masters for the sake of argument, any reason for my defense would instantly hit the sand.
 
The reason I said I was polite is because I have been involved in many healthy debates without name calling until now. Now If you think speaking condescendingly of shivaji (which again, was a humor at the first place) would make me rude, go ahead and start that whole drama again, you have all day and I am least interested.
 
I will use those words again and again to prove my point. I wasn’t disagreeing with Ojaswi, and I sure wasn’t trying to get my point across in a subtle fashion. I was cursing her back in the same way she came across as, and she hell didn’t come across as a classy lady.
 
As far as writing stories are concerned, I have written many more in the past, and they were classy until trolls like you started surfacing in sajha. Hehe.
 
I am not sure if you try hard to be a shivaji Freedom2012, but I sure am not a Buddha.
 
This would be my last reply to you. I didn’t feel the need, but your comment was uncalled for, like I said, you have all day to type your replies, and I have a job in few hours.:)

It looks like things got a little out of hand here, but the use of the word "harlot" is not justified in my opinion. Just because a female is mad, or screaming or using the F word does not mean that she's a 'harlot'. A harlot means a prostitute a whore and it is not fair to call a woman harlot simply because she's pissed off or because she used the 'f' word.

It reminds me of the time in high school days when a girl does not give any bhau to guys, she's called भालु

Rethink,

Things did get out of hand, and I agree it sounds bad, very bad for others when I used that particular term. Maybe I shouldn't have used it at all but I am neither apologizing nor taking my words back and here is why:


- An individual storms into SB and start dropping F Bombs on ne0, completely unwilling to debate while ne0 was at his most polite self urging her to be rational and asking for solution

- She/He went on and on for five minutes and logged off, leaving us all behind gaping at the screen. I know she did it at the spur of the moment, and so did I. Now If she isn't apologizing for her act, neither am I.

- if it were an argument or a debate using foul language is justified to an extent, the only reason I was mad is she didn't give anyone of us a single moment to explain or ask what was happening.

- Also it is extremely difficult to understand the gravity of the situation when you do not see it first hand. I was there and the reason I got all worked up was because what she did wasn't appropriate.

That is an act of lunatism of an ill-bred individual who doesn't know how to choose his/her words carefully. And when someone does that I definitely would use the foulest of language to put her in her place.

I am sorry that I'd lose few good friends like you over this but I believe what I wrote on my post was completely justified from my standpoint.

 ha ha what a joke...cry me a fking river. if Neo thinks it's bad enough, he should act upon it and ban people, i think he is capable enough to address that himself if necessary. Either way where and how has sajha hit rock bottom? that's a bold statement to make sir, maybe you should focus more on reality than virtual non essentials. people will come here with all sorts of personality, be it fake or real, that's the whole beauty of being anonymous. Unlike most dumb websites with strict regulations sajha has, in my opinion, let people be who they are as long as they don't go over board with stuff. accept or ignore the choice is up to you. i personally find Gori ko poi the most entertaining individual in sajha, as opposed to lot of people taking things personally towards this persopn that too on an online fking forum, that i is way beyond my comprehension and laughable. 

Chaurey,

Agreed. To each his own. You find Gorikopoi entertaining, I do not. Similarly you think sajha is in its best state I think it is at the brink of apocalypse. We all live off our own opinion.

But could you tell that to Ojaswi as well? I think the main intent of this post was to speak about what she did to ne0. 

 and of course ojashwi rana is the biggest drama queen in sajha to date! 

Seems like this issue needs to be addressed to put things into perspective.

As a rule of thumb, personally I would not bring things from the chat room into kurakani (what happens in SB stays in SB), but since it has, I have to give a little background on how things have worked in the chat world. I have been facilitating the sajha chat room for a very long time and have grown a very thick skin as far as dealing with user tantrums for whatever reasons they may be. I've had to deal with a fair share of users who use multiple username to sort of play around/have fun/get their point across/whatever whims they may have. It just comes with the territory.

So when Ojaswi Rana came into the Shout Box throwing her tantrums, I was aware of her other anonymous identities which have been used in the past for 'trolling', indulging in harmless bantering and playful interactions. From the interactions, the person could very well be a male person disguised as female for the reasons of trolling. And because of this, I did not take the person's 'F' words too seriously, however, I did take the matter 'she' brought up seriously and explained to her that there will be more moderation in the future since running sajha has always been about finding the right balance between 'democracy' and 'autocracy'.

One of the very important reason people post in sajha is because it provides anonymity, so someone can ask their question or share their info without any fear of finger pointing. This anonymity is also beneficial to writers who try their hands at writing literature without putting their own name out there for judgment. The same anonymity can be a blessing and a curse depending upon how it is used. Some users use the same anonymity and attack different posters at their whims. Technically it is difficult to differentiate someone expressing their opinion versus having malicious intentions. Thus sajha has to balance on the edge of the yin and the yang of anonymity.

Gorikopoi's postings were tethering on the edge of wrong for a while but trying to keep the 'democratic' norm up, it was ignored until he posted hinting someone was 'raped'. That is when the line had to be drawn. Sajha users spend a lot of time and effort in sajha and it would be very unfair to allow someone like gorikopoi to hide under his anonymity and slam the dignity of anyone be it an anomous user or not anonymous.

Getting back to Ojaswi, her tantrums did not affect me as much as it affected  some other users including behoove_me who has been a great virtual friends within sajha and shoutbox and who I even had the pleasure of bumping into once out in the real world.

Due to the excessive violence and insensibilities that exists in the real world, thesedays, people have been desensitized to speak out for anyone who is being wronged, or act against a wrongful action being committed.

Although, in this case, it was not necessary from my perspective, Behoove_me, from his perspective, took that extra step to speak out against a wrongful action, and for that I have a lot of respect for him. I may or may not agree with the words used, but as he has said, he has every right to express his own opinions. In fact I do understand what tipped him off. It was the reference to "your daughter" by Ojaswi. Being a father of a daughter, that did tick me off a little but I did not want to stoop down to her level, and I know that Behoove, also being a father of a daughter, could not accept this kind of insult to me from Ojaswi.

Everyone knows it's wrong to bring families into discussions, and it becomes especially wrong when an anonymous user is doing that to a known person, which is me in this case. So this explains behoove's action and I again laud his gesture to speak out against a wrongdoing.

As I have said, putting things into perspective as to what other anonymous usernames 'Ojaswi' has used in the past to indulge in what kind of trolling, personally, it didn't really matter much what she was saying, except for the matter that the balance between the yin and the yang has to be maintained somehow, perhaps by more action than inaction.

Hope this puts a lot of things into perspective for anyone concerned. Ojaswi Rana, there is no love lost here. Your actions only show who you are. It does not affect who I am and I sincerely hope you will find peace within you.

 TL; DR 

the lord has speaketh 

Behooveji, you are mistaken. I do not consider you my enemy and do not hold grudges. I do not even hold grudges against people from the real world who have wronged me, why would I with a person from the virtual world. You are a talented person and I do admire your writing skills. And what vendetta?. I think you tend to take criticisms too personally. It is sad that you do not regret using the word. I had expect someone who considers himself a polite gentleman to apologize to the lady. That would be the right thing to do. Banning users is the job of the person who owns this site. It is none of our business. All people who visits Sajha are equal. You should remember those friends who you know would visit Sajha for friendship sake, the real visitors are those whom you do not know outside chat. These visitors are the ones which make Sajha. There are no two groups like good visitors/bad visitors. So do not get personal on a site that is for public. @ BT, thanks but being a gentleman, I can never condone use of the word harlot on the opposite sex. Ojaswi could have been wrong in chat, that I am not sure but Behoovji has crossed the limits with his use of words and I would deplore it all over again. I came here to Sajha after a month or so and I happened to read his post, and it really disgust me, more so coming from a man who claims to be polite and is respected writer of Sajha.

And the tampon ending was pathetic to the core. It was derogatory and in bad taste. I cannot fathom how that line would satisfy the creative person in you and am left wondering how did you even get there?. That is a very rude comment towards the opposite sex and if I were you, I had apologize for that also.

Suit yourself bruv.

Chaurey. How would you reply to freedom now?

 ehhh put a tampon in the mouth and shuddaap?  juss keeding 

  I have seen lot of times guys cannot win arguments with female and they resort to calling Slut and whore. No exceptions here.

As if this will enpower them.

one good tip: never ever call a guy as a "looser" and a girl as a "whore" and that's too in the face .