Do  Vedas really support animal killing? My understanding from the Upanishads is that Vedic code of living is very strict and goes in coherence with total natural law. Vedas sees one supreme being in all species. During Vedic age, sacrifices were done with symbolic representation of animals but not by actually killing animals. The idea of Yagna was to please gods by sacrifices of your lower nature (tama guna, rajas gun, saatvic gun) by actually sacrificing the symbols of animals which represents our lower nature. In modern Hinduism, people have gone barbaric without understanding the ideas of Vedas. How can Vedas support animal killing when it clearly declares: All this verily is Brahman (Sarvam Khalvidam Bhramha).

Let's enjoy this Dashain with non-violence spreading compassion to all species including lower animals and goats. A goat has an equal right to live like an ordinary human being. Who gave you the right to kiil animals in the name of sacrifice? It is only your desire that is killing goats for your own material needs.

Sorry, I can't support this call. Yo pali khasi ta khainchha khainchha.

So is this how Vedas defend its position on sacrifice?

This is ridiculous...sorry I meant to say Stupidos Maximus!  (little Greek for you.)

If Vedas don't believe in sacrifice, then why even sacrifice the symbol of animal? WHY O WHY? This is the worstEST explanations I have heard in anything. Fcku, why represent some poor animals as 'lower'? If Vedas see good in each soul, then who gave human the right to call themselves supreme and other animal so fcked up that they deserve to be killed, symbolically or otherwise? 

Brother, your Vedas is highly egoistical literature very carefully crafted to control people with all kinds of bizarre justifications....just like subsequent literatures that promoted caste system..and another literature came out....'that's not what we meant' 

What a pure bllshit!!!!

idk 2013, do you support animal killings for sacrifices? If yes, why? If not, why? Kindly elaborate your explanations with appropriate examples.

 

Ujl, the veda's defense is more relevant than my personal opinion. (but I'll share my thoughts). Before that, please first address my question from the previous posting. Why symbolize some animals with poor animals? If they deemed symbols so necessary, then why not create the image of self during Yagna and do sacrificial rituals? Like, "here I burn my effigy that represent lust." Why goat? And yet, why even kill, just symbolize the cease of a lower attribute? To me, that doesn't teach peace. It is very barbaric. People who call themselves Brahma should know better to symbolize their actions. 

Please shed some lights.

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM7h4ESe7Mw

idk 2013, I should tell you that Vedas cannot be understood by mental reasoning. The "smritis" of Vedas are transcendental in nature and requires higher states of consciousness rather than just waking and dreaming consciousness. In other words, Vedas are beyond mind. Also, you need to understand that "WHEN ALL KNOWN THINGS COME TO AN END, WHAT REMAINS IS SILENCE." Human language is inadequate to describe Brahman. Brahman is not this, not that. Therefore, Vedic people used symbols to understand the deeper meaning of reality. For example, the symbol of "OM" is extremely elaborative when you look inside it. Vedas don't attribute animals by saying poor animals, but the symbol is to compare the mental state of a goat and a human being. Obviously, humans are superior than goats in mental states because we can think. However, in many humans there are goat's mentality. It is this mental state of a goat that Vedic ritual use as a symbol but not as the whole goat. Goat itself is Brahman, but in the state of ignorance, it's mental states has been deluded. So is the case with humans. Humans are deluded because of false knowledge and ignorance. In a nutshell, symbols merely represents the mental states (desire, lust, greed, sex impulse etc.) If they sacrifice the symbol of Baboons, that means they want to get rid of sexual impulse within them which is the impediment to spiritual practices. Attributes itself are unreal in absolute standpoint because these are merely ideas. So, the idea is not about poor or higher or lower. All the beings are supreme Atman. But the embodied jiva atma is different based on the type of body and desire. You get the appropriate body based on your desires! This is the law of re-incarnation according to Vedas. Non-violence is supreme Dharma - Bhagavatam.

बेदमा के थियो र छ एलाई पेवा बनाएर राख्ने लाइ नै सोद्ध्नु पर्छ : अनि बेदका ज्ञाता निक्लेलान यो साझामा ?

 @ujl,
Ok..let me sink that. So you started with the meaning/reasoning of sacrifice solely using the Vedas as your foundations of arguement. You stated that animals' symbols were used, not really animals. Now I asked you 'then why even the symbols, why not other ways of sacrificing one's own lower attributes'...Now...and Now you are telling me that Vedas cannot be used for the reasoning?

I would highly appreciate if you could let this ignorant being know when to and not to use Vedas for reasonings and  when to for smritis.

Even before this, Brother, let me ask you this: Do you, yourself, honestly believe in this kind of defence? You clearly see, "yes symbol of goat, but not really of goat rather it's mental state', that you are in a slippery slope, right?  

You say, "Goat itself is Brahman, but in the state of ignorance, it's mental states has been deluded.  So is the case with humans. Humans are deluded because of false knowledge and ignorance. In a nutshell, symbols merely represents the mental states (desire, lust, greed, sex impulse etc.)"

Then if someone gets so englightened to come up with the idea of 'symbolic' sacrifice, wouldn't it have been more direct, more effective to use his/her own symbol? Why go to goat? Let's say if you are trying to sacrifice your sexual desires (why would you, but that's an another topic), then why not make and burn your effigy with perhaps your penis sticking out..and go around the village with pride sharing the story. Wouldn't that be more effective to remind yourself when the desires start to swell?

idk 2013, Vedas can be used for reasoning, in fact, Vedas should always be used for reasoning. But to understand the vastness of Vedas, mental reasoning is not enough. In simple word, mental consciousness is not enough to understand the complexities of Vedas. The Rishis, Yogis who discovered Vedas were not ordinary human beings who seek sensual pleasures. These Rishis actually mastered their own mind and came to a state of mind where mind was absolutely silent and this silent state of mind reveals higher reality. And Vedas consist of these higher realities which cannot be understood by normal human who always seeks sex, money, power, meat, wife, children, car, etc. Sex is not in the Penis! Sex is in the mind. Mind is everything! Therefore, why should we focus on inert substances like penis? And to be honest, I am not a scholar of rituals of Atharva Veda. I am just trying to illumine that "real killings of animals" are prohibited in the Vedas. I am just trying to say that modern people ignorantly kill animals in the name of sacrifice when they don't even understand abc of their own religion. 90% of so called Hindu don't even know what Brahman is! All they know is Brahmaa (this is different from Brahman), Visnu, shiva and some other handful of deities. In the Nasadiya sukta of Rig Veda, it boldly tells: Even these gods came after the Big Bang, then who knows what lies beyond that? Such is the Vedas. if understood properly and wisely, you will be liberated, otherwise the suffering of samsara is endless.

@ Iamback aka gorikopoi,

U again trying to be racist here.....i aint bahun but derogatory remarks against any caste is not tolerable.....

@Sandai 

Mukh chodne mauka dinu huncha??? i know u've warned me before. tara sajha ma yesta rakshas haru chan jaslai thik parna rakshas nai bannu parne huncha,.....

@giordano, how do you fight with darkness? By bringing the light! Darkness is unreal. Ignorance cannot be fought with ignorance but with knowledge. Can there exist darkness on the surface of the sun? It's absurd to even think about it.

यो पालि दशैंमा मान्छेले खसी खान नपाउला जस्तो भै राछ, ह्याँ चाहिं खसीकै कुरा भै राछ! फोगट्याहरु!  

idk 2013, I do believe in absolute non-injury. And again, injury is not just physical. You can injure a person mentally, through your thoughts and words. This is a subtle field. About Elbert Einstein, I have deep respect for his contribution in science but Vedas are beyond Einstein's thought. In other words, where quantum physics ends Vedas starts. Also, don't try to mix two worlds: Material & Bhramic world. These two worlds are opposites. From the Bhramic standpoint, how can you injure something that is immortal? In material world, injury do make sense but not in the Bhramic world. To an enlightened sage, this world is a dream. The only reality is Bhraman where there is no pairs of opposite such as love & hate, likes & dislikes etc etc. Be at peace. Enjoy your Dashain with Tika, jamara and aashirvad.