+2 sakera america padna auda muskil ley usko umer 19 thiyo. bhivinna hunder ra thokar khayera balla balla master sakera kam khojne layek huda aile wo 30 barsa jati bhayo. sadharan tarika ley parda ni usko 10 barsa ko padai kharcha $100K. jasmadhye 40K america ma jen ten garera kamayecha baki 60K debt ma cha .

OPT paye pachi 2 maina 1000 thau ma kam khojyo 500 ota job application pathayo kehi payena, aba 1 main ma kam payena bhane usko usa ko dhoka banda, wa geri f1 mentain garnu parne. masters feri repeat garna kamtima 25 k chincha. paisa china..

aaba paryo farsad, dimag ley kamgarna chodyo, tetaikai ma auta sathi ley desi consultancy ma jana sallaha dincha, IT background bhayeko ra kunai option nabhaye pachi wo desi consultancy ma hircha.

class ko poilo din, 10 12 jana keta keti auta class ma. teacher ley introductun magcha... sabai QA garna aaka( which is basic a IT job ). introduction garne kram ma tha huncha koi pharmecy ma masters gareka 2 maina ma kam napayera status mentain garna aaka, koi mechanical engineering ma masters, koi nursing sakeka kam napaka , koi IT sakera aafai kam napaka, koi computer science sakera kam napayera aako.

yehi bhir ma aada jati yesta ni chan jasko khasai formal qualification china nepal ma +2 samma gareka chan, koi dv pareka sanga teti ni nahola, koi assylum ka dependent jasko padhai 10 class cha. koi community college parda pardai TPS payea aaka chan.
consultancy ley sabai lai autai class ma rakhera autai kura padai ra cha autai teacher ley

sabai ko IT ma 5 6 barsa kam gareko experence banako cha. feri testai ley kam ni paka chan.

aaba uslai yaha peer paryo, 10 barsa jawani khaechera $100K udara liyeko degree bhayera ni +2 ni ramro sanga nagareka sanga sangai basera autai kam ma bhidnu parcha bhane kina linu USA Ko degree?? jaba international students lai kunai kam nai diyinna bhane k garnu tyo degree ley..19 barsa ko thito kati sapana bokera USA chireko aajo 30 barsa ko huda kei garla bhannu ta kata ho kata aajai usko thaplo ma 60K loan cha. kam paune kunai chat gat china.

mero prasna usa ma junai field ma jati paisa kharcha garera degree liye ni aakhir antim yatra desi ko consultancy ma QA garnu nai ho??

yedi yehi nai ho bhane kina 10 barsa kharcha gaenu parna, IT ko lagi kunai padai nachine raicha 6 maina ko vocational training liyera opt banayera IT chire hunna ra.
aakhir 10 barsa pachi ni tyo degree bora ma halera desi ko consultancy ma dhaune nai raicha?? bekkar ma 1o barsa ra 1ooK kina pani ma halne ?? kuro gambhir ca..
( kasai ko bastabik jeevan ma milna gaye ma samyog matra hune cha )

Once a king in ancient Bharat Varsha asked a yogi,"What is life?" The yogi replied, "A man is born, he suffers, and then he dies!"

i laughed my ass off when i read your comment ujl. Mr. Karki you have a valid perception with your analysis.

किन पढ्नु भने नि:
पढे लेखे पछि मान्छे ले यति लामो लेख कि लेख्छ देवनागरीमा , or they will type like this in latin skript. but "yesari chahin lekhdaina."

I keep reading this kind of articles from many Nepalese living in US. From one point of view, their outcry is justified; they invested over 10 years of their precious time, got away from their family and took huge loan to come and study in US. But what do they have to show for themselves? A job in consultancy that didn’t require any of those things?
My few cents:

1. USA or any US institutions (unless it’s one of those fraudulent for-profit colleges) never requested you to come over here and guaranteed a return. Hope is one thing, expectation is different. Even if you finish your doctorate with honors you aren’t entitled to anything.
2. Be happy you are getting a consultancy gig. Think of what would have happened to thousands of Nepalis living in US had it not been those consultancies and their resume-padding ways.
3. With proper education, you can make consultancy just an entry foyer – then it is up to you to expand your potential.
4. No, consultancy is not the only thing Nepalis in US are employed in. Yes, a huge chunk are – but few are employed in other well rewarding ventures.
5. You said you took a huge loan. Unless you took a loan to send back home, I am not hearing it. I came here with minimum amount in my pocket. I went to State universities that had lowest cost and I worked day and night to fund my education. I didn’t spend time partying or thinking there’s loan to take care of my education. So stop crying about the loan – you chose it – it wasn’t your desperation.
6. Be happy with what you have and strive for more. Your education allows you to expand your horizon. Remember, gig in IT might be short lived, treat it as a temp stop until you find something you like. Unless of course you want to make IT your career, which can be equally rewarding as well.

Mailey Dekhe Bhoge ko Lekchhu hai:-

1. America ma ayera mehenat saath padera instructor haru sanga ramro relation banayera internshipp haru khojera garera ani undergrad pachi ekdum nai sanu entry level kaam kei samaya ko lagi bhaye pani garera. Masters garda internship haru garera ramro reference liyera. Side ma aafu le nai resume ma rakhna milne khalka aafnu feild related project garera job market ma chireka mailey dekheko chineko sabi Nepali F1 haru le aafnai chamata le gatilo kaam payera H1 bhayera majjale basya chhan.

2. America ma ayera latar patar aru sathi haru ko copy gardai padera, instructor haru sanga good relation banauna nakhojera, Unpaid wa underpaid internship bhanda baru ocean city gayera daam kamauchu bhanne sochera internship haru kei nagari Undergrad sakera sidhai Masters garne, Entry level kaam pani nagari masters sakaune. 0 experience but degree chai masters No reference or any other projects to show on resume bhayeka haru le lucky bhaye consultency bata kaam paye nabhaye tyo pani napaaye ko dekhya chu.

Sathi kun catagory ma parnu bho?

यो कुरो तिम्रो मात्र हैन सबै संग मेल खान्छ । हामि पनि जवानी मा केके उखडुला भनेर उफ्रेर आको माछा माछा भ्याकुता । जिन्दकी स्टेटस मेंटेन मै कैले सक्कियों थाहा छैन । तर कुनै ग्लानि छैन । पछुतायेर के गर्ने । जे हुनु थियो भयो । btw तिम्ले काम नै नगरी पढ़ेउ क्याहो । नत्र 60के त कसरी ऋण लाग्नु हो ।।।
अनि मेजर को कुरा मा चै राम्रो मेजर लिएका टॉप ले पास भाका साथी भाई ले किलास नै नसाक्की काम पाका पनि देख्या छम हाम्ले । अब जेन तेन गरी पास भएर काम नपाका हरु IT ठिकै छ नी । ढिलो चाडो कागज़ भै हालछ । यती सम्झेर चित्त बुझाऊँ त्यों DV परेर आउने तोर्पे भन्दा धेरै मेहनत र धेरै अमेरिका बुजेर तेहा पुगेको छौ तिमि त्यों ठुलो कुरा हो । ऊनि हरु चिट्ठा परेर आए हामि काबिलियत देखाएर सबै कुरो समालेर यहां सम्म पूगेऊ । सब को आफ्नो आफ्नो भाग्य ।
सब को यस्तै हो मित्र फरस्तु नहौ ।

Yes , be happy with what you have. if you landed in a consultancy and still not happy with it , either you are not good at what you do or you chose the field that you dont like. I think the important part is to find what you love. It took me 3 majors and 7 years to find what I like ..it came with its own form of struggle ...but after I realized what I wanted to become things started to align better and got lot easier. I got offers based on the enthusiasm I had for the job, rather than the skills I had for it.

I was one of those who was scared to go through consultancies because I didn't think I would survive the pressure and lying. I though it would be easier to get a fancy full time after college but 3 months down the road waiting , I got an only offer from the smallest of startups , there were 3 employees in that company. The office space was smaller than my 1 bedroom studio and we were working about 16 hours a day. Not because we were building another facebook in there but mostly because we were so amature on what we were doing that it would take us hours to figure out a simple issue. Everything I learnt in college felt worthless , every new technology was a beast of its own so it was like another form of school were we would go through the admin guides for days and try to implement it. I was frustrated , underpaid and mostly overwhelmed by the things I needed to learn, but after a year things got a lot better ...I was getting offers from bigger companies and finally accepted an offer from a company and have been working there since. I still have a lot of aspirations and feel somewhat unsatisfied with myself but when I look back, I feel like I came a long way up from getting expelled from 2 high schools back home and almost failing it.

Consultancy folks I know have similar struggles , I see them studying and working after hours to getup to speed at work. In the end the take-away is to stay happy with what you have and learn to love what you do.

PS. the startup that I worked for was sold for 8 Mils last year.

This is the story of almost all nepalis in US. I was frustrated like you few years ago hence i came to Sajha and created a userid with name "Frustu". You can imagine how frustrated i was !

Life is not easy in US. Just because one has Masters or PhD doesn't guarantee anything. I have seen many folks who has done 2-3 Masters Degree and working in Restaurants to maintain that F1 status. Many folks that went to PhD thinking it would be lot easier to land a high paying job after PhD are frustrated as hell as they now realize it's difficult to land a job even with PhD. Some folks did PhD in some random subject which they had no clue about and quit in the middle of PhD program. Some who completed PhD are taking online training with some Dhoti Consultancies. Sad but true.

Imagine the extent of frustration of these folks with PhD and doing training in IT to get a Job ? Most of folks who came to US at 19-20 yrs of age are 30-33 now and without a Job and yet to get Married ! and they compare with someone who finished Bachelors in Computer Science 7 years ago and is now working as a Senior Business Analyst or Lead Analyst at a Fortune 500 company and that brings more frustration right ?

Now Let's get back to your question: Why study ?
if you have a degree and even if you get a Job through any consultancy it's more likely that you'll do okay in the job compared to someone without any degree. Take it as an Entry and you have to use your abilities, skills and whatever you learnt in school to expand your career. Most DV holders who immediately went to consultancy and got a first project are more likely to get fired. This is where you've to be able to show your education.

Instead of getting frustrated, first of all find something you really like an go from there. work hard, study hard and achieve what you want to achieve. you won't gain anything complaining . That's life.

Kiddo : agreed.

Sorry if anyone get offended I wrote wat I felt

Yes not everyone in the same boat. Some are doing excellent. Some are doing ok. And some are hopeless. But for sure to come out as a winner in USA is quite a hard work .

This is an excellent thread, in that the problem posed is something shared by many students and the suggestions are precisely to the point. I am adding a lame point to all these excellent suggestions. Again my two cents. The business and economic model of free markets reward company's stock based on projected outlook and reflections from their current financial statements. Did they beat analyst's estimate? For past 20 years trends in economizing efficiency and speed led the Jeff Bezos and Jamie Dimons of the world to invest in Pentaho and SAS rather than in suction tubes. You already know the stale story --> Late 30's at the peak of Motor City success Ford employed more than 90000 workers; 2008 Volkswagen's Chattanooga Plant, that can churn more automobile in 3 months than what Ford did, only has 3200 people. It's not that companies are deliberately looking for vintage smelly hairy chubby women who can eloquently mis-speak English and make an accent while they secretly rote learn Regression Testing vs. Black Box Testing. Share Holder Value Maximization driven corporate world creates immense churn for projects that solve things now and in this quarter and this fiscal. While Googles of the world exist for the good ones, for the smart Liberal Arts Major who makes 6 figures at the 13th Floor office in Exchange Place, the BOAs, The UHGs, The Morgan Stanleys need us to MS Excellify their regression tests. There is demand for both X-art and Mallu Aunty. Sorry they forced a porn you didn't wanted to see.

Ajja boli sab Nepali Ko job Uber/lyft driver ra Ali kete smart hareu IT ma cha, aba degree Ko kurra garey bhani.. mero sathi Le status Ko lagi 3 MBA sama gari sakeyo, kunai sati Asylum pending ma fasiyo na auna jana Milne Nepal na ga Ko 10 barsa badi bahesaiyo. Dothi/Russian ani Chinese consultancy Le damadam paisa chapirakekko cha. Aba ke garni degree ley affnu temperature napni ke.. flow sanga glow garni. Rin ta Abba Nepal bata paisa bokera padnu auni sayed kaam nai hola. Rin bhaneko tension ho. Mero eutta sathi Pilot Traning garama akko tiyo ajja BI ma kaam garcha, arko vet doc tyo ni IT saab dothi sanga. Abba timi ni jau ani Dimag Ko bati jalau.

Good discussion. I have hard time to understand is Mr. Karki really did Master's from US university?

Yeha sathi haru ali dherai nai depressed bhako dekhiyo.

Nepali haru le Harvard, Columbia, Stanford bata MBA ni gareka chan. Investment banker bhayera millions ni kamayeka chan. Mckinsey, BCG ma kaam garera world ghumera baseka ni chan. Afnai start up kholera funding payeka ni chan. Sabai ko afnai afnai story cha.
Fusemachines bhanne company ko barema padham sathi ho. Nepali le kholeko company ho. Dherai Nepali kaam garchan. Aru pani thuprai chan.

College gayera padhera graduate hunu vaneko afno knowedge badhaunu ho. Tesari graduate bhayeka student le pakkai pani IT ma gayera ni pragati garchan. Teha ko kaam sikchan, coding sikchan, ani full time kaam pauchan. IT company haru nepali le kholeka thuprai chan. Consultancy ma kaam suru gareka sathi haru le pachi aafnai company kholera ahile Nepal ma brach pani kholisake. Ahile Nepal bata sidhai H1B ma lyauchan manche. Merai sathi haru Nepal bata Computer padheka ahile direct H1B ma aaye.

Ma aafu pani undergrad sakkera kaam garna thaleko ho. Espaali balla H1B paryo. Aasti ko paali naparera. Ahile ali Nepali lai gaaro bhayeko yo H1B ma limitation bahyera ho. 2 ta 3 ta masters garnu pareko. Natra ta yo consultancy ma chirera H1B garera, GC garera ramro sanga baseka dherai chan.
Tara full time kaam payera company lai impress parna sakkyo bhane H1B nai chahidaina. Maile aafaile H1B parena bhanera boss lai Green Card gardena bhaneko gardyo. Aile I-140 approve bhaisakyo. Espaali H1b ni paryo parna chai.

Tei bahyera sathi ho padham, sakesamma full time kaam khojam. Bhayena bhane consultancy bahenko ta euta stepping stone ho bhanne bujhera agadi badam.
Hares nakham.

He made it to the USA at 19 and now he is 30 something, after a decade and 60 k later, that guy still has some major growing up to do.
Formal degrees from colleges should have instilled in him a sense of inadequacy of 'formal education' and respect for people from all walks of life.
With I'm de facto smarter than DV winners and asylum seekers ( that insinuate his false sense of entitlement), hence I should be rewarded most attitude, he has failed to realize the quintessential ingredient of American Exceptionalism.
With this attitude, he won't survive in IT. He is probably better off going back to Nepal and enjoying his inheritance while it lasts, or grow up and realize that learning is a lifelong process, often without piece of paper formalizing it.

My 2 cents.

Kinda agree with Gandharba.

It's almost as if he is complaining that DV winners with only high-school education are getting the same job that he is getting. Dude, it's IT. You are getting this job because your resume is padded and it doesn't have strict education requirement like other jobs (say economist, engineer, doctor, lawyer etc). If you have higher education, that will always help you move up in IT. Don't look at what others have, look at what you got- and believe me, you will only realize what you got was great once you lose it.

यो Kiddo भन्नी मान्छे को होला, बडा राम्रो कुरा लेख्यो |