Looking for khagendra sangraula's columns in nepali- where do i find them?

written in nepali ki nepal mag ???

just a question ;)

I was taken aback by Khagendra Sangraula's self defeating endorsement to Girija Prasad Koirala for the commandership of Loktantrik kranti in Nepal in his latest piece ( - http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=28518 )

I don't know what made him make the endorsement which basically would ostracize all he had been telling about the leadership of political parties. He probably lost his hope.

In any case, this, to me, shows a sorry state of political leadership for the democratic movement in Nepal. Simple fact of life is that Nepal's democratic movement is confused and disoriented due to lack of a real political leadership to it. It does not know whether it should first find a leadership or just rely on the King going on becoming worse than Girija et al to make the later look comparatively not that bad.

And here is the older collection of Khagendra Sangraula's works:

- http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=20832

Thank you Nepe. Nepal ko ahile ko awasthama no single leader can take hold and bring back peace alone. Girija has been the stronghold of Nepali congress for ever- we can replace him, with who? narahari acharya? gagan thapa? are they responsible enough, yet? diplomatic enough to deal with gyane, US, India at a time and still pursue national goals? girija did- thrice. girija is a rotten potatoe, but a clever and diplomatic one at that- if we can restore peace (and take along his contribution as we do so), leadership roles can be shuffled to suit our interests later- we vote and elect them, but for now, we need every little effort we can gather to dismantle gyane's dictatorship. my two cents.

बुद्दी र बिबेक लाई होईन, so-called veteran democratic figure लाई प्रयोग गर्ने बेला हो के अहीले। Maoists हरुले पनि तेही भन्दै छन अहीले र बिदेशी हरुले पनी trust गर्ने।

DC_girl and Thaha Payen jyu,

I understand your points. However, I have slightly different take on the whope issue of the goal and the means of the andolan. I will elaborate it shortly. Meanwhile, I would like to post this cartoon.

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Nepe admits:

"In any case, this, to me, shows a sorry state of political leadership for the democratic movement in Nepal."

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In life, what we WISH to be true, and what IS verifiably true are TWO very
different things.

Failure to understand this difference leads to being beholden to ideologies and false beliefs and NOT to the maintenance of a scientific temperament (which allows one to modify one's beliefs in the face of counter-evidence).

I have a few simple rules.

RULE NUMBER 1: In anything I'd like to join, I spend a lot of time looking at people behind it. If the people behind the venture -- regardless of what it is -- are top-notch, respected, admired, trustworthy and show that they are able to learn from their share of mistakes, then, I throw in my hat to be a passionate follower. If not, then, I do
my namaskaar with a smile and tend to stay away.

I looked at the democratic movement in 2002, in 2003, and in 2004. Each time, even after having done my homework, I came to the same conclusion: The people leading it were/are just khattam. Those guys wanted NOT democracy for all, but power only for themselves. I spoke to friends who were active in the democratic movement, and urged changes. I wrote a few pieces here and there, arguing for a change in political leadership.

On Sajha, I repeatedly criticized the democrtaic movement - NOT because I am or was anti-democracy or pro-King (I am neither!), but because -- on the streets of Kathmandu -- I clearly saw the movement morphing into a convenient "khol' for the corrupt and the failed netas of yesteryears to wash themselves clean, with NO serious attention being paid to what they learnt from their mistakes and how they would do things differently.

[If only Girija at al had moved aside in 2002, and let young and even untested Congressis and UML-wallahs to take charge, that ALONE would have been a
breath of fresh air for the democratic movement!]

So, I was critical of the democratic movement, the way one is critical of one's best friend: You want him or her to do even better, and you provide unvarnished and
no-nonsense advice to serve the friendship well. [True, only the friends with the strongest self-confidence appreciate this sort of frank give-and-take; the rest take grievous offence, and that's the way life is. :-( ]

But such blunt talk about Nepal's democratic movment was NOT music to some people's ears. Nepe, for one, created a little cottage-industry here on Sajha to label me as "pro-king" and what not, much to the amusement of friends in Kathmandu who know my political inclinations. Goaded by Nepe, others too piled on with juicy adjectives.

And the result in 2006?

[Drumroll, please!]

The Ides of March have arrived to have this quiet concession from Nepe, using KS's article as an example: "In any case, this, to me, shows a sorry state of political leadership for the democratic movement in Nepal."

And the funny thing is, that was something some of us -- the non-ideological democrats -- had concluded about Nepal's democratic movement long, long time ago.

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As for Khagendra Sangraula, my sense is that he FOLLOWS public opinion; he does NOT shape it the way, say, Narhari Acharya does or even Kanak Dixit does.

Whatever's in fashion this week among Kathmandu's chest-thumping intellectuals who brook no peer criticism, you can bet that KS will provide a readably entertaining endorsement of that view in his columns in Kantipur. I love his writing, and enjoy it
for the fiction it contains than for the truth it unearths.

oohi
"always a democrat, that's "democrat" with a small d"
ashu

I find KS's article very entertaining. It has a different flavor. The way he forms sentences is very atypical than most of the mainstream media person that I have read.

The pleasure I get by reading his article is akin to the pleasure I used to get reading those lurid Filmfare and Stardust magazine in my school days. They did write some true gossips, some fabricated, some totally bs, and others - "what-the-F- are they talking about?"

With time though, you learn to filter.

But regardless, it is always entertaining. I do not know about others, but I read him to throw some chuckles and admire his skill to form sentences with a touch of "masalas."

I hope it is not sin to be entertained by a person's creativity while not agreeing or believing what he wrote half the time.

Else - hell awaits me. :)

IndisGuise.;)

Good posting Aashu. I have the same view. we can not expect much from older and corupt visionless leaders.

But at the same time, the power has to be transfered from palace to people soon to stop/protect people from further suffering and anarchy (e.g., recent "misfire" killed one in Nepalganj). and top corrupt leaders have the hold of party and cardes, and potential but young leaders tend to be boycotted in the party and in any movement। तेसैले, गीरीजाले केही गर्ला कि भनेर जनता र interantional community ले पनि आशा गरेका छन।

The cottage industry I was running in Sajha, as all know, was to sell republicanism for Nepal and, as for Ashu, he was a part of it only to the extent he was selling the antidote of republicanism from his Nanglo Pasal side by side with mine.

What kind of stuff Ashu used to sell is for anybody to check in Ashu's postings in various threads of the past. So, I am not going to dig any older postings.

However, I feel something good about Ashu these days. Ashu does not reject and curse the republicans like before and he is not advocating a "neutral" approach to deal with the King anymore. In fact, he very much appears to be to sympathetic to pro-republican andolan which is not moving as much as it could have for lack of a political leadership.

What more should I ask for ?

oh!

Nepe,

I am sure Sajha readers are intelligent enough to understand what was and is
going on.

I think the stuff CLOSEST to the truth version, then and now, is this:

Based on my own readings and analyses of situation in Kathmandu, I refused - again
and again -- to be a part of the knee-jerk 'wah-wah' brigade of some of you America-residing Democrats.

And the price I was made to pay for that refusal to toe the party line came in the form
of TEMPORARILY being labelled by you and a few others as a "rajabaadi" -- which was both FALSE and therefore AMUSING to those who know the truth.

I say temporarily because such a label might have fooled a few Sajha newcomers (who don't know me from Adam), but it never fooled many in Nepal who are quite familiar
with my extracurriculr work here and the contacts I have developed in the past few years.

After all, in politics, anyone can preach about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from far away. But it's what you do in the field, by getting your hands dirty even if that's in a quiet way, that's what counts.

I think you later found out that I really have ZERO connection with the palace, and
I'd like to keep that relationship completely agnostic.

That said, (as written above): "So, I was critical of the democratic movement, the way one is critical of one's best friend: You want him or her to do even better, and you provide unvarnished and no-nonsense advice to serve the friendship well. [True, only the friends with the strongest self-confidence appreciate this sort of frank give-and-take; the rest take grievous offence, and that's the way life is. :-( ]

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That said, my stance, then and now, is this: We Nepalis cannot do too many things at the same time. We should not even try, for we will fail on all counts. That is why, we have to pick and choose smaller goals that we can achieve, learn from our mistakes,
and THEN move on to achieving bigger goals.

A Jan Andolan is like mountain-climbing -- slow, steady and continuously upward progress is required. The present group of leaders is no good.

It does not take four years to come to this easy realisation that: "In any case, this, to me, shows a sorry state of political leadership for the democratic movement in Nepal."

IT ALWAYS was a in a sorry state.

We saw it then, and that was why some of us had had a good laugh over your hitching
the republican hopes onto the wagon of these netas. Nice partners!

oohi
ashu

.we shake hands with poisoned barbs concealed between our digits
who are we?

I have read Kunsang Kaka for such a long time that I can't help writing what I think about him.
He comments on everything and everyone he reads, hears or knows. And unfortunately no one takes his comment seriously because of the blatant hatred toward the subject in his articles. He uses all derogatory words he can think of. May be a frustration from his unsuccessful political career.And ofcourse, his demeaning rhetoric is one of a kind. He remind me of my foul mouthed neighbor who has possibly the worst form of superiority complex .
I don't think his writing has influence on anyone. Kunsang's articles will always be ignored while evaluating any of his preys. His writings are just entertaining for person like me because of my animal instinct to have fun in berating other. Same reason why I watch stand up comedies and why I have fun listening to that very neighbor. However, I admire his gut, wasted.

Ashu,

Just some quick notes,

1. I am sure your contribution to the andolan for democracy will be duly acknowledged when time comes.

2. I am unaware of any person, let myself alone, who was/is "hitching
the republican hopes onto the wagon of these [Girija et al] netas".

Some people whose aspiration would be satisfied just with the restoration of pre-2002 status quo do look up to these netas.

However, the aspirants of republic democracy have always moved ahead of these netas, making them left behind thereby forcing them to run as much as they could to catch the popular republican sentiments.

Fortunately or unfortunately, Girija et al have not been able to quite catch up with the leading popular republican sentiments as yet. This was also what I was trying to tell DC_Girl and Thaha_Payen above.


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DC_Girl and Thaha Payen-jyu,

Here are some of my views in points.

1. Although I believe there is every reason for Girija et al's leadership to go, my reasoning and emphasis at this point of time is for a PRAGMATIC reason than for anything else.

Simply put, my assessment is that, with Girija Prasad Koirala as the commander, the movement is never going to bring the mass of people necessary for the movement to succeed to join the movement. It did not. It has not. It never will.

2. Althought the decisive mass still apathetic to political parties' call for joining their agitation, it really is not apathetic to the cause of democracy. I think a decisive mass of people are already silently 'motivated' to fight the final fight against the King.

And this motivation, in every likelihood, is irreversible.

So, we don't have to worry that it might wear off if we wait for a leadership. In fact, it might wear off if it appears that there is nobody in Nepal except the likes of Girija Prasad Koirala to lead, guide and serve them.

3. It is possible that a spontaneous, possibly anarchic too, popular rebellion against the King might erupt as triggered by some sensational incident/development.

And this is exactly why we need a leadership that people can respect and trust.

Girija et al will not be able to control this kind of rebellion to lead it to a disciplined and smooth transition to democracy, not only for his image but also for his personal political views.

A leadership vaccum will make the rebellion vulnerable to manipulation by the Maoists and basically things will be at their mercy. Not a wise thing to let happen when the Maoists's recent commitment to democracy is fresh and yet to be tested.

What can prevent this kind of dangerous rebellion ?

Neither Girija, nor the advocacy to accept him. These, in fact, as I said, will increase the chance of it happening instead.

So from these practical consideration, rather than moral and other point of view, I consider rejecting Girija's commandership as a must and the first step for a sensible and workable jana-andolan for democracy.

Girija has to go. Things will follow. Because they really are ready.

Nepe

मैले देखेको त साच्चै भन्ने हो भने गीरीजा, माकुने, ओली, शुशील को. सबै पछी हत्नु पर्छ, र whole movement नै student leaders ले सम्हाल्नु पर्छ। आखिर् ०४६ को आन्दोनल पनि students ले नै सफल बनयेका हुन्नी त।

However, it's a difficult task to boycott these stupid leaders unless all of them are kept in custody by the king. See, while Deuba was under house arrest or in jail, movement was taking pace, but when he was released what happened...

It is good that at least Makune is under house arrests. All of these leaders should be put into the custody so that people get blood and after the storation of full fledged democracy (not the restoration of old type of democracy), these leaders should be swept away along with monarchy. Otherwise they would mess up our politics and country again.

This is what I think but मननै बीचलीत भैसको भन्य्या यो हाल देख्दा हाम्रो नेपालमा ।

Nepe wrote:

"1. I am sure your contribution to the andolan for democracy will be duly acknowledged when time comes."


What you NEVER understand is that I will be completely satisfied even if NO acknowledgment is ever made to my whatever "contribution to the andolan
for democracy."

I am neither so foolish nor so arrogant to believe that my whatever contribution
made a difference.

In fact, it did not.
Nothing at all.

But, looking back, I am glad to have tried a few things here and there, even if the results ended up becoming way less than satisfactory. Maybe I'll have better luck
next time. But who knows?

Still, you will never see me wearing funny hats and shouting slogans against this or that on the streets of wherever to make a visible display of my so-called political beliefs. If other people do that, I have no problem accepting that, knowing fully well that such
hat-&-slogans bit does NOT necessarily make them more of a democrat than others
who have different approaches.

The point is: Different democrats have different styles of pursuing reforms and changes. How hard was that for you to understand?

Didn't you once scold me here on Sajha for not joining the neta-led demonstrations on the street, as though you could legislate private behaviours in Nepal from overseas ?

Think back: Why else would you have scolded me here publicly if you had not pinned (let's say: some of) your (republican) hopes on those netas, and wanted mere
jagirays like me to follow those netas around?

Why didn't you write off these sets of netas then, in 2002, 2003 and in 2004 like I
had steadfastly done ? But you trusted them to the extent that you wanted even people like to me to make sacrifies to follow them around.

When I refused to do so (see my postings above) and refused to give in to the easy "wah, wah", you and others made fun of me.

Still, if you had said, "Look, Ashu, I really thought those netas would reform themselves, and push the movement forward. That they haven't has come as a big disappointment to me" . . . if you had said something like that, I would have respected you, because, hey, we all make errors of judgement all the time, and it's fine to admit that one's expectations have been dashed and that different appoaches are needed.

But when you NOW come back sounding certain, and say that: "I am unaware of any person, let myself alone, who was/is "hitching the republican hopes onto the wagon of these [Girija et al] netas" . . . well, Nepe, I am sorry, this sounds a bit too self-serving, opportunistic and trying to to be too clever for my taste.

Tetti ho mero kura

Please feel free to disagree.
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That said, fundamentally, the trouble with you guys, so far as I can see it,

1. you have already decided who's for you and who's against you . . .
2. you've already decided what constitutes pro-democracy behaviour and what doesn't . .
3. If you have already decided if people are not enthusiastically for republicanism (for whatever reason), then, that must mean that they silently support the king, and then you form a gang to try to discredit them by calling them "rajabadi" and what not.

It is this kind of narrow certainty about the validity of your beliefs and the corresponding refusal to subject them to counter-arguments and evidence from the field . . this is precisely what I find unpalatable about your political positions for they remind me of the similar foolish certainties displayed by the Maoists and the present royal government.

oohi
"democracy = multiple discussions . . . open, free and disagreeable"
ashu

Nepe र Aashu के Sajha का leaders थिए कि त past मा fighting each other just like गीरीजा र माकुने during so-called democracy era? के भन्दै छन यीनीहरु, म त केही बुझ्दीइन यार।

LOL. :)

Ashu ra Nepe ko Jagada - dulhadulhai ko jasto jagada.

Hi indisguise!