Untill few months back, there used to be a stalemate between the King and the Maoists.

The Maoists have taken over many places in Nepal, but their revolution is not successful until they take over the capital.

They could not possibly take over the capital because of the Army. The Army is under the kings control and it is impossible for the Maoists to fight the Kings Army in the capital.

SCENE IN THE CAPITAL:
The democratic parties have a lot of supporters and say in the capital BUT they are not strong enough to overthrow the King.

THE MAOIST STRATEGY:
Using the Democratic Parties as a pawn in thier greater scheme of things, the Maoist incite the Democratic Parties to call strikes and large processions, whereby they infiltrate the crowds and force the Kings govt. to attack the public.

THE GENERAL CONSENSUS:
The general public believes that the King is corrupt and not a good ruler. So they only need some inciting before they go out in the streets. Once the general consensus is now to get rid of the King who has unjustly killed off peaceful demonstrators and innocent people.

THE AFTERMATH:
The wrath of the crowd in Kathmandu Valley is enough to overthrow the king. The king gets thrown out/killed. The Democratic Parties celebrate for a short time before they start feeling the pressure of the Maoists from all sides of the capital.

Without the Army being controlled by one point of reference, noone can stop the Maoists from taking control of the capital.

THE STRATEGY IS WORKING:
What we need to decide right now is do we want the Maoist to rule us or the King? The democratic party are just wishful thinkers who wish for a utopia but will fail miserably as soon as their fight is over.

WE THE COMMONERS:
We need to see beyond the current situation in Nepal and decide for ourself if Maoists Rule is what we want. If that is the case, we need to go ahead and support the Democratic Party in the street to topple the King. As soon as the King is toppled, these Democratic Parties will be swatted off like flies by the Maoist guns.

Although democracy is something to die for, the consequent Maoist rule would be such an unfortunate irony for the deaths of thousands who are seeking democracy.

PLEASE SPREAD THIS MESSAGE TO AS MANY AS YOU CAN BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

red alert
we can agree in few points but not to all

i believe king is getting autocratic day by day and he is responsible for the death of those who died recently in different parts of place. King is the head of state now, say he is both king and President of Ministers, ministers impose rule in country, but what they have impose ? Red alert can u give one significant point why should we support king ? what he has done good for commoners after taking direct control ? what the FUC*K he has done ? yeah we know that maoist are trying to play chess here and one gotta loose the game.

king has justified his ruling by killing people ? what kind of king he is ? so why support him
tyo randi ko chhoro and i would say to party that be alert from both sides king and maoist.

Thopa, there is no doubt in my mind that the king does not give a rats ass for the Nepali people. He only cares about getting more richer as the common nepali people suffer more and more. There is no doubt that gyane is a chor daka. I agree with that 100%.

The only issue here is that once the Army is weakened and the king is ousted, Maoists will take over, and it is going to be irreversible. Right now, the King is essentially keeping the Maoists out because of his army. Once it's gone, all of Nepal will be Maoist's playground for the terror and killings that we all know them to be.

Red alert !
That's bull shit propaganda by royalist Mandale again to save the autocratic king.Tha Maoist has aleready shown their committement towards multi party system and rule of law.They will come in multiparty system.But the autocratic king has never shown any committement.Should he have any regards towards Nepali People ,he should not have massacared so many people.Time has come to throw him out of the Power and build peaceful dmocratic Republic Nepal.
Rajtnatra - Murdabad
Prajantra - jindabad
Ganatantar -Jindabad

red alert: well said. i had been thinking the same but you said it simply and precisely. i too am for democracy, and can't stand gyane's guts but the situation is not straightforward.

nepali man: instead of resorting to name calling and labeling, can you address red alert's main point? suppose that the monarchy is done away with, and we have a democratic free and fair election. what's to stop the maoists (viz. self titled SUPREMO "Mr ego personified" Prachanda) from threatening and/or killing off elected and appointed members of the government. btw, this is something that hte maoists have done in the past. remember how mayors and other elected officials were issued death threats by the maoists?

You said
"ha Maoist has aleready shown their committement towards multi party system and rule of law.They will come in multiparty system." Please provide evidence of this. Back your claim (instead of blowing hot air).

thopa: if we are to choose either the maoists or gyane based simply on the number of people killed, then gyane wins hands down. remember how many hundreds and thousands of innocent people the maoists have butchered (sometimes in front of their family members) in the name of their movement?

And btw, the maoists are for a republic all right. But it will be a communist republic, not a democratic republic.

So the million dollar question: how do we establish about a democratic form of government in nepal. Let's get some interesting ideas here. (No labelling and name calling please)

red alert i believe we can go forward without king
yeah ur concern about whats next after that, is geniune
i respect that
yeah i think army might not have good leader to keep them controlled and may be we have to face next war ? is there any possibility of that ? we should debate about that
but gyane murdabad

I agree with nepal_man. Maoist’s commitment is not false at this point because they have passed from their central meeting. They are now not in traditional communism. They have analyzed the reason for the failure of communism. They have realized the reason is lack freedom of speech, independent judiciary, and independent journalism. They are ready to give all these freedom to the people but beside that the democracy will be different that what we have observed so far. I don’t understand what they say completely but my guess is there will be lots of reservations for ethnic groups and communities. I think that should not be problem for democratic Nepal. That will be much better that democracy we experienced in the past because there will no king like Gyane. Lets push the movement forward.
Another fact is that, not necessarily Maoists rule the nation after. On going movement may born a potential leader to lead ganatantric movement, may be he will be a young blood like Gagan Thapa, or Yogesh or any potential youth from civil society or may be maoists. Why should we care? We need a leader who leads the ongoing movement and provides strong leadership to Nepal.

Thopa,
we need Nepal army not royal army. We may not need any army either. The future army should be used in developmental process so that they will know everything about society. The cruel nature of existing army is because it is always intended to work in favor king and not to the people.

I agree that the removal of monarchy will create a "political void" which needs to be filled up for a balanced and stable political system to establish. This is why a STABLE and RELIABLE political alliance between the political parties and maoists is of utmost importance not only for movement for republic Nepal, but also for following constitutional assembly and an unbiased and violence free parliamentary election thereafter. With maoists' recent and unprecedented conviction for multiparty democracy, there should not be any undue problem. If they don't abide by their conviction towards multipary democracy, they will get ousted too sooner or later.

"Maoist’s commitment is not false at this point because they have passed from their central meeting. They are now not in traditional communism. They have analyzed the reason for the failure of communism."

my question to you is: were you at the meeting? how do you know for sure? Of course the maoists will say that they are for a free and fair election. That's the game politicians play. If they say that they want a communist state, no-one (the ppl insidide and outside kathmandu, the US, india, UK, etc.) would side with them. By claiming to be pro-democracy, it's easier to win allies. I certainly HOPE what you say is true, but i feel otherwise.

zalimSingh !
u r still advocating for autocratic slavery system in the name of Maoist.They have already declared to lay down the arms under favouraval international institutional for peace and democracy.Why such a rumor to save the autocratic regime.

million dollar Answer: Democratic rebulic form of government- Army will be under Parliament.Prime minister will be responsible to Parliament.How much power we wana give to President,we can discuss.There will be rule of law.
Government will be run by elected people not by autocrates like Kamalthapa,Tulsi Giri,Sachit Smaser.

Keep rolling

Zalim, I agree with your worries. Ego personified Prachanda could be equally malignant as King G for the people and the nation. That does not mean, one should get the benefit of doubt to supress other. Monarchy is proving to be the barrier and burden in the way of multiparty democracy at the moment, so it should be eliminated. If tomorrow, Prachanda choses to be the barrier, he will get outed too sonner or later.

Zalim Singh,
They are demanding constitutional assembly. It’s an open secret that they have shown the commitment about democracy with SPA leaders. I am not sure how much you read political news and update yourself. I am neither Maoist supporter not the member. I read all political news. Ex leader madan bhandari proposed bahudaliye janabad. He was communist. UML is a communist is believes in Democracy. Girija, 83 yr old leader talked to Maoist directly and believes that Maoist has agreed on democracy. So do I. Lets believe them. Lets assume that maoist dont want multiparty democracy, what the heck this seven popular part will do?

i don't believe i was advocating one thing or another. i was just asking questions and exercising my freedom of thought, rather than refuse to consider other schools of thought. mr lonely, i hope you are right. it's just that history has taught us otherwise and makes me extra-cautious. e.g. the former ussr, cuba, china, n korea. give me one example of a communist movement that has not led to autocracy.

what do you guys think will be the main issues in combining the two armies?

Red Alert, you care criss crossing! and trying to touch your right ear by left hand but from rear side!
Why does the army have to be mobilized by King only? They are paid by the hard earned taxes of the people? Are the army slaves of the King?

Secondly, the parties will bring the maoists in the mainstream of politics. If tomorrow, they come in power by election, why do you have to have problem?

Zalim Singh!
It is not the communist movement.we would rather say,Nepali movement to who wants to throw the king.Look at the participants of the people-Doctors,Engineers ,Lawers,Government employee,students,civil society from all corner of the life..Still lot of people of Nepal are not communist but they don't want autocratic king.The fact is It's not only maoist who represent a fraction of People with violence,but also all the democratic People who beleive in rule of law,don't want autocratic king.
why don't we discuss about the outline of democratic republic of Nepal.

Hey guys, better Red than Dead. To escape certain killing by Gyene's goons, better take a chance with Prachanda's goons--they are relatively less armed.

Friends I love my Nepal as much as you do and wish for it to have a democratic rule. But as facts stand out, this current upheavel is not going to result in a democratic government as we all want it.

As you all know, the Maoists have their hold on over 50% of Nepal right now whereby they are ruling under communist rule of the gun. Thousands and thousands of men, women and children in the villages are forced to join their cause or else get killed.

It is truely optimistic of those of us who want to instill democracy in Nepal to believe that the Maoists are going to let democracy flourish in their occupied villages after the king is ousted.

It's the Maoist Strategy to make the Democratic Parties work for them in order to clear their way to the capital. They are never going to let a democratic government to govern the villages that they have captured and have a stronghold on.

Lot of times when we desire something so strongly we fail to see the bigger picture. The bigger picture is bleak when you consider Maoists ruling Nepal.

The people of Kathmandu valley can truely stop the Maoist taking over Nepal by stopping to think of the bigger picture right now before it's too late. Are they ready to be subject to the rule of the Maoist who rule by the law of the gun - killing family members in front of family ruthlessly - mass murdering people who dont want to join them, the attrocities are endless....

Dear Red Alert,
I respect your opinion as I feel your worries are understandable. You say that the bigger picture is bleak and the maoists has/will take over the rural Nepal and probably will take over the capital as well, if the monarchy is ousted. I agree with that argument too as I already mentioned that the end of monarchy will create a "political vaccum" which will take some time to get filled up. It is all very much possible.

But I don't understand how all those possibilities justify our support towards the autocratic rule of King G. If you think that it is King/monarchy that is helping to guard the maoists from taking over Nepal, I am sorry, but I won't be buying that argument because that is wrong. As I already mentioned, I am not ready to give the benefit of the doubt to the king anymore, even after all his deeds, to oppress the maoist insurgency because that is not the way it is. If you see, the maoists have become more active after king's take over on Feb 1st of 2005. Peace has deteriorated day by day in the nation. People have lost belief on the king and international community have also started to impose pressure on him for dialogue with the parties.

While maoists are some force to reckon with at present, with their latest conviction towards establishing and participating in multiparty democracy, we should not be too much circumspective about their intention. I feel they do deserve a chance, when they say that they are committed towards multiparty democracy. I do, however, reiiterate the necessity of a firm and reliable alliance between the parties and the maoists until multiparty democracy system is up and running. If, however, they decide to impose communist republism in Nepal in the future, it will only lead to their own downfall.