Part A

Who gave birth to Maoists?

7 parties

Who nourished Maoists?

7 parties

Who declared Maoists as terrorists?

7 parties

Who issued Red Corner notice to Maoists?

7 parties

Who placed prize money for killing Maoists?

7 parties

Who tried to fight Maoists while in power

7 parties

Because of whom did the King have to intervene?

7 parties





Part B


Who killed the members of 7 parties?

Maoists

Who kidnapped members of 7 parties?

Maoists

Who chased away villagers by asking for donation?

Maoists

Who refused 7 party entry to villages?

Maoists

The parties declared elections but who stopped it?

Maoists

Who will benefit from this turmoil?

Maoists

Who are 7 parties?

Majority of Nepalese

Who can be blamed for the current situation in Nepal??

- No doubt 7 parties

(Late King Birendra had given the democracy, and pretty much the 7 parties literally raped our country)

. given? given?? THAT is/was the problem.

Phatte Ji:
Well, its the perception only. People may not necessairly belong to one party or another....But, we try to label them as Congressi or Eh-Male or Mandale....I think Nepalis are NEPALI before anything else. Now, about majority of Nepali being the 7 parties, it was just a breathe of fresh air, or "so they thought" then after being under a aristocratic rule of the King and the Palace for so long.......

Here comes more "Rajabadis". Are you all crazy? We live in 21st century and we don't want king. We need democracy, no matter what. Democracy is a practice. Democracy is not a stick of magic, it takes some time. We could throw those parties who are running in wrong direction and make a new one just like that but we can't throw king. Whatta joke. Do you read history? There are only 2 countries in the world which are rulling by the direct power of Kings and they are Bhutan and Nepal. You know what, Bhutan and Nepal are the world's most poorest countries. We have already seen King's rule for 30 years. Now matter how good was King Birendra but Royal mascare proved everything. He couldn't even judge his own son. Maobadis were born from Poverty, undevelopment and corruption. We could take care of that. We need democracy.

Can anyone describe what DEMOCRACY is? I would really appreciate that.

SHRESTHAN has posted several titles on sajha against the people's movement and 7 party. It is defenite he is the paid puppet of king g on sajha. He must be making money pretty fast as the speis no hire from among the mandale groups of nepal are getting paid a day RS5000.00 per person to spy the movement.

SHRESTHAN should be in the black list of the movement. He should not be spared after the restoration of the complete Democracy in Nepal.

He is not concern with the people who are the majority of the movement but with the king g's propoganda to sustain his dictatorship. Shame on these king of puppets.

After the restoration of the Democracy we need countywide revolution (a psychological revolution) to educate people to see the traditional propaganda of royalists in the name of religion. king g has no relation with the Vedic school of thought which basically stands for the liberation of the mind - yoga, vedanta, samkhya, mimanshkya, uttermimanshkya and nyaya. Freedom of the mind is the ultimate goal of the Vedic descipline.

king g also has no credential for the Puranas - stories of gods by Vyasa in which king like Assuras - repressors of the liberation and Kansa are punished by the people's movement iwth the leaders or gods - veruna, indra, agni etc.

The association of Shah kings of Nepal to Hindu god visnu is completely absorb and propaganda to spread fear with the utter superstition. The is none to the world clearly. In this modern time neither the association has any literary relation with he scriptures of Vega nor with the sceintific rational with the modern time that wich represents Democracy.

SHRESTHAN is trying to impose fear on sajha members who have simpathy on people's movement.

THE TATCTIC OF FEUDAL LORDS AND THEIER CONTROL MECHANISM IS TO CREATE FEAR ON PEOPLE TO SUPPRESS THEIR THINKING FOR THE LIBERATION OF THE MIND.

Democracy?

Humans are basically or genetically animal of conscience and therefore bully to those weak arond them - might is right, the stronger suppress, rule the weak and if weak rebel kill them finally. This way humans lived on the earth a million of year.

Once women discovered the seeds for the agriculture the stable sciety grew around the different parts of world. For your information humans began to WRITE in symbols abound 6000 years ago. In agrigarian society the bully method of existence did not work. Humans need more logitics and rational existence. From there the beginning of Democracy came into being for the logistic and rational existence with legilatural menifestation for the a society to function.

From the beginning of Democracy as history tells us that the arrogant traditional kings were the obstacles therefore Republic of Athens got ride to the kings basically in Democracy all members of society live under the common logistics of the legistature that are approved and agreed upon the mojority.

Nepal is one of the county in face of earth where the process of Democracy was prevented and repressed especially during the peroid of Shah regime. In history Malla kings were more compassante being educated by the teachings of the Buddha and Buddha was the first individual royal person who discard the ruling authority, who opposed the Hindu caste system and who stand for the equality of all menkind on earth.

But Shah regime and Rana atocrats ruled Nepal against the inevital current to Democratic evolutionary values that first we recieved from the Lord Buddha in Nepal (in Sanskrit and Prakriti language lord means the Guide).

Shah and Rana prevented Nepali people to embrace the Democratic values and logistics of human evolution. We are still kept in the dark side of the earth that can as if never be evolved to inevital phenomenon of Democracy. They with persons like SHRESTHAN donot want us to come out of their Rule of Bully. Only the selected feudal lords like SHRESTHAN can rule us with fear and superstition.

Democracy is the process of human evolution on the face of the earth to establish logistics of rule as agreed upon with mojority of the memebers of the society. This process is only possible if THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE THE LAW... NOT THE GOD NOR THE DEVIL. ONLY THE DEVIL ACCOURDING TO THE STRORIES OF GODS OF VEDA (PURANA) ATTEPTS TO GO ABOVE THE LAW AND REPRESSES COMMON PEOPLE TO ACCEPT HIM TO REMAIN ABOVE THE LAW.

Thanks sweetheros. My question then is - we had so-called democracy for 12 years and how come it had such a short life? Here is what I think.

I think big part of democracy is the sense of responsibility. It is not only handing power from autocratic king to another "autocratic" ordinary citizen like Girija, who acted in pretty much the same was as any king did by using the party as his weapon. Like I mentioned above, with democracy comes sense of responsibility. Sense of responsibility for each one of us, whether we are citizen or a leader. That is what lacked in Nepal. After living in autocratic rule for hundreds of years, the ordinary citizen do not know what democracy is. They have heard about it, of course. Because it is everywhere, like in India or US or in the West. But when they got it they did not know what it was and how to use this new "tool". That is where the leaders would have come into pictures. Their job was to train citizen what democracy is. And they should have done that by role modelling, by taking responsibilities. That did not happen in those 12 years. Therefore it was so easy for the king to take the power back. If the people were educated about democracy in that time period, do you think Feb 1 would have happened? Do you think that Queen Elizabeth in the UK could ever take the power back? Therefore in some sense, ShresthaN is correct (and don't anyone dare saying that I am the king supporter. Because I am not. But I am not those leaders supporter either). The leaders failed in last 12 years .... big time! And there is no basis to think that they will act differently once they get the power back.

basantapur,
Couldn't agree more.

"Late King Birendra had given the democracy, and pretty much the 7 parties literally raped our country"! "given democracy"? Did it belong to his father, grand father, or who ever? All dictators of first order? Selling Nepalese men and women as guards and whores to live life king size in the poorest country of the world?
It's comment like these that proves that many Nepalese are still monkeys in pants. If democracy bring Pol Pot, then so be it. There is no excuse to live like slaves under an autocratic king. Kings and queens should remain in history books and fairy tells.

shaiva,
> If democracy bring Pol Pot, then so be it.
This is the type of statement that bothers me. You have no idea what you are saying.
Pol Pot(maobadis) will have to walk past my dead body before that happens.

.basantapur. your answers are in embedded in what you wrote.
>>after living in autocratic rule for hundreds of years, the ordinary citizen do not know what democracy is. They have heard about it, of course. Because it is everywhere, like in India or US or in the West. But when they got it they did not know what it was and how to use this new "tool". <<

perhaps the politicians couldn't be role models but that is not as important as the point you make above. we needed more time - and freedom from right-wing interventions. queen elizabeth cannot do what gyan did because of the difference in institutions. they have a long hisory of having controlled the kings in england. events from the magna carta to the british civil war slowly but surely established the power of the people over the power of the people. do you know how long it took though - well the magna carta is about 700 years old.

gyane could do what he did because the institution of the army was under his control and/or influence - plain and simple. he hardly scored a moral victory on Feb 1, although his propaganda made it sound like one. that is not true. and well post-Feb 1, whatever benefit of doubt and/or irrational/unexplained respect he may have commanded (not earned) from the people has pretty much dissipated.

you talk about the nepali people not being versed enough in democratic norms. i beg to differ. and the current protests are a testament to that.

Who created Maoists?

Prachanda, Baburam and few others.
They were in maistream politics....when public didnt vote them..they went into jungles...nothing else...

^ ...power of the people over the power of the people = power of the people over the power of the monarchy

Thanks for you note "what more", but I would still disagree with you. The world is changing extremely rapidly. We acheived more in the last fifty years than we did in the last five hundred years. Therefore if magna carte is 700 years old, that does not mean that it is how much time we need to "institutionalize" democracy in Nepal, especially when we have prior events to teach us.

What is extremely important in democracy is education. Without educating people what their role is in a democratic world, you can not expect them to just go ahead and act appropriately. That is why 700 yrs of magna carte history because there was no training and that is because there was no trainer. Same is not true in Nepal. There were trainers. The so-called leaders were supposed to be the trainers.

I don't think the current demostration is "being versed in democratic norms". I think it is just the frustration that people are experiencing for last 14 months. If people were being versed in democratic norms, this demonstration would have taken place on Feb 2 last year, not now. It is happening now because people found out that the leaders were doing nothing and therefore they were hopeful that the king would bring some drastic good changes to the country and they waited for a year. Since that did not happen and they found that the king did not fulfill their needs, they are frustrated and came down in the streets.

. of course, i was not suggesting that it would/should/could take us 700 years as well. i was just trying to extol the virtues of patience. and learning.

if you remember, there were protests in Feb 2 as and has continued since. it's just a function of where and how you choose to look at things. of course, the current protests are a result of the building frustration but that is exactly my point. we didn't wait 20 years like we did after satra saal to put up a significant fight against totalirianism. i would definitely look at it as being better versed in democratic norms. at the same time, i am not claiming that we are completely and utterly versed in democrative norms - it is question of degree not fixed absolutes.

perhaps, you tend to put a greater emphasis on knowing - knowing how to act, knowing the responsibility, etc. and knowledge is a function of education - to some degree. i don't necessarily disagree with that, but i think learning is more important. and learning is more a function of living and life itself than of education. afterall, hardly any of us bring any "endowment" of knowledge when we are born.

Basantapur: I agree with your reasoning and the evidence that bring forth. As I said Democracy is the process of evolution. Nepali people with the leadership of parties began underground revolution from the time of Rana regime and the king Tribhuban himself stood and joined the process to bring about the change in governing logistics. As a matter of fact, Tribhuan is first person who brought the idea of National Assembly Election to create the constitution. But it did not materialized due his sudden death.

Then congress party and king m did not agree but had national general election and congress won the election then king m disolved the parliament to bring despotic rule of law called Panchayat. You now the history. These all ups and down are the under current of Democractic evolution that has touch the conscience of man on the face of the earth. It is a brain growth process and thus enivitable.

With the argument of how 12 years of Democracy failed does not stop Democracy to evolve as of this time people's movement that has become the ground evidence of current in the brains of humans in Nepal.

Why did 12 years Democracy has failed in Nepal and thus king g grabbed the power. Not just like that, he has played more that 12 years undercurrent anti-democratic tactic such as helping Maoists, supporting royalists in the country and aboad, supporting RNA officers to make money for their family to build bangalows and keep peepas to wash the underwears of their wives, etc... so such upto the massacere of the entire family of king Birendra.. this is not just default but consequentials.

Why did 12 years of Democracy failed was the political leaders lack of experience in the developments of the legislature that is logistics and rational. Legislature logistics are the process of law to execute or way to work out in the real time.

For example, in district the Democracy had the elector body of District Chair or Governor. In this logistics the governor should have the executive body or administration cabinet to administrate the district. But political leaders could not eleminate the CDO from the legislature therefore the elected govenor was like the statue. That way the old oligargic legislature ruled the Democratically elected body of the constitution. I had talked with one of the priminister of Nepal at that time why you have this 2 contradictory body of administration in the district. He replied me in Nepali contect at this time the change is not suitable. He was otherday at Columbia university and I had remind his our conversation.

In Democractic logistics to work a police office must be the resident of the district for at list 6 month to be elected as sherriff of the district. In the electrol process as the district chair, members of assembly get elected police sharriff or officer, autorney, judges and other body of legistatures, executive and judicery chairs must be elected. Then the elected body of all constituitional body chairs request for the office workers from the public commission to hire the post.

A CDO, DDO, EDO all nominated officers from the central governments are not constitutional in the Democratic process. They should be reqested by the district chairs to fill the post as secretries who work under the constitution with district chair.

Thus the 12 years Democracy failed not becasue Democracy failed in Nepal therefore Nepali people are not qualified for the Democracy as per royalists argument but failed because the lack of experience of political parties, plus they also were arrogant when they were in power, also civil society and members like you did not help them or rather were anti-political leaders, and media also did not favor them intelligently.

We are all responsible for the failure and we are in the same basket. But you cannot go against current of the enivitable - that is the evolution of the Democracy in the conscience of hunan brain.

The scientific development, technological revolution, the media and all will not work without the Democratic logistices and its evolution in history of man.

In this evolution we must appreciate king Tribhuban and Birendra as human being who saw the light of Democratic evolution and its rational values for the man kind.