As Nepal is heading toward democratic transition, religious fundamentalists and royalists are trying to destabilize the country under the cover of defending Hinduism. These are the people who were kicked out of the power by April’s popular Peoples’ Movement. They were desperately looking for an opportunity to fight back. They found one in the parliament’s historic proclamation that declared Nepal, the world’s only Hindu kingdom, a secular state.

The anarchic mobs of Hindu fundamentalists are not only burning copies of newspaper that wrote in favor of secularism but also trying to exploit the public sentiment in cases like mistreating of a patient by a hospital. The other day, extremists burnt the copies of Kantipur daily with an editorial welcoming the secularism. It is widely believed that extremists were instigating the protest against Kathmandu’s Everest Nursing Home yesterday and the day before yesterday.
we have to stabalize this rise og huduism fundamentalism , or else GOD save us.

source: http://www.blog.com.np/united-we-blog/2006/05/26/neutralize-hindu-fundamentalism-in-nepal/

This is what i have to say to the fundamentalists.


If u eat the coochi then u can eat anything else. Even cow. Stop this nonsense. no one gives a rats arsh about what religion ppl follow. Follow what u wanna follow.

maha sumbhu ... u talk like kamal thapa ..hmmm... what is ur point.the fundamentalist hindus are responsible for everest nursing home incident and LZH case... ya go ahead tell everyon e fundamentalist hindu is responisible for killing 13000 live in Nepal... u ..i told everyone this was unnecessary topic to be bought at this point where there were no divisons but everyone is so democratic and like to change name tag..no change in the system nor the mentality.

Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?

Result
47% Yes
51.7% No
1.3% Don't know
Total votes : 1964
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nepal news poll.
no and i have not cheated like one of the fren in sajah who was proud to come in sajah and declare that he cheated not only one time but 15 times...whether u agree with validity of poll or not it is different thing.Should we have gone for poll is the question?

It's good that the government is addressing this fundamentalist issue.

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Govt. to take action against religious fundamentalists

Kantipur report

KATHMANDU, May 26 - Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula said on Thursday that the government would take strong action against those promoting religious fundamentalism and plotting against democracy.

Speaking at the House of Representatives, Sitaula said the government was committed to take strong action against those who are carrying out anti-secularist activities for anti-democratic ends.

"I assure you that all those plotting against democracy in the name of pushing their fundamentalist ideas will not be spared," Sitaula told MPs.

He also informed that all police and administrative mechanisms have been instructed to take such activities under control.

It's funny ... the government does not take action against the POLITICAL Fundamentalists but RELIGIOUS fundamentalist better watch!!

What a bunch of morons!!!

Nepal's congress party has dug its own grave. Good luck winning places like Birgung next time around. They've already started protesting. People in the terai region are a bit more hardcore when it comes to Hinduism. Good luck.

let me tell if somebody right now starts doing religious politics they are bound to win 30 -45seats ..now this is what i call vision in the part of SPA. who is going to take advantage.Revenge lina matara . ..new nepal with wrong starting

CAN NOT TRUST NEPALI POLL....

70 NEPALI LIVE IN VILLAGE....... GO TO TAKE POLL THERE....

OR DON'T TAKE POLL...

CORRECTION

NOT 70 NEPALI ....

CORRECT 70% NEPALI

We all know why Mahatma Gandhi (champion of "Secular India"), whose non-violent movement against the British Raj had been inspired by the teachings of Lord Buddha, was assassinated by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu fanatic?

Nathuram Godses are starting to rear their ugly heads in the border towns of Nepal. The disechanted royalists in cahoots with India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs and parties (such as VHP, BJP, Shiva Senea, Rastriya Swayam Shevak, etc.) are "engineering" protests in border towns to pressure the government to make Nepal a 'Hindu state". The royalists who were initially involved (but have since "disappeared" from these protests after being exposed by the local papers) have a hidden agenda: to 'rescue' their fallen false god king on the strength of the rising wave of Hindu fundamentalism.

It would be interesting to see if the Pahariya Hindus will follow suit. But certainly the royalists and Hindu fundamentalists will try to ‘influence’ the Pahariya Hindus.

We must not underestimate the might of the Pahariya Hindus, and their vital role in overthrowing the false god king of Nepal.

My impression is that in Nepal we have two diametrically opposed strains running through its Hindu groups & Hindus, broadly speaking:

1) the fundamentalist groups (eg. Bharat Keshari Simha's org) which are remote controlled by India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs and parties in cahoots with the royalists. They have deep roots in border towns, and also in the capital. They are a minority. They are still hurt by the fall of their god king. India-based groups are increadingly losing their "chalkhel garne" space in Nepal.

2) the moderate groups that are by and large made up of Pahariya Hindus. They make up the majority of Hindus of Nepal. They are by and large peaceful and tolerant. They have no use of the false god king. I would tend to put the deceased Mr. Narayan Pokhrel in this category owing to his moderate and reform-minded approach. Although Mr. Narayan’s death has been blamed on the Maoist rebels (which is very typical of King Gyanendra’s past sarkar) , there are reasons to believe that Mr. Pokhrel may have been taken out by Hindu fundamentalist orgs.

As long as the Pahariya Hindus do not give in to the influence/pressure of the royalists and Hindu fundamentalist groups in border towns, the latter's protests will taper off in no time.

Only the moderate and reform-minded Pahariya Hindus can save Hinduism (of a distinctively Nepali kind) from the corrupting hands of the India-based fundamentalist Hindu orgs & parties and their stooges (royalists) in Nepal.

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Re: Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2006, 09:35:41 pm »


In ancient times, Muslim armies attacked Hindus in India causing many to move east into Nepal. Slowly they came into contact with native tribes (most of Mongolian descent) of modern Nepal.
Extracted from an Indian book.

I suggest Mr jai Nepal you are one of the few disillusioned ones to believe that Hinduism originated in nepal itself??

Yes We should appreciate the peaceful and hormonial nature of the nepalese --that they have started to adapt themselves to hindu culture -though there are often anger expressed in communities like Newar or Gurung( for having their own culture supressed and having introduced caste heirarchy on thier own community -ever since they started inclining twds hinduism)

A good suggestion for you to read is a book by Dhor bahadur Bista.
You will get the reflection on how hinduism started in Nepal and how history has been biased to the original rulers of nepal-the natives(Janjatis)




Re: Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?
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I am not worried about how Hinduism started in nepal and where did it migrate from. From the moment I was born and till I die I am a Hindu. I am not a hardliner, nor religious either but I strongly beleive that Nepal should remain a Hindu nation. It has given us a reason to remain United and fight against other faiths who try to disintegrate us. I simply feel proud to be called Nepali and Hindu, and they go side by side for me ( I think not just me, everyone - even for muna). I simply can't understand, how politicians think nepal can be a better place by calling it a secular state. Do we want to be like western countries, where they no relegion and faith. Hinduism is not simply a relegion to me but it is my faith, a sense of wisdom and a proud history. Even jai nepal has mentioned Hinduism to have rooted deep down in the history. Why should we loose our deep root, simply because these politicians want a big piece of Pie. I agree with your problem of caste system. Yeah we can bring new laws for it or strengthen the existing one. The source of ur problem is not relegion it is racism, castism and sexism. I think we should stick to nepal as Hindu country but overcome the cast, race and sex discrimation side of thing.

The answer to the question is - NO I DON'T AGREE AND I WILL NEVER AGREE.

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Muna
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Re: Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?
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PEOPLE HAVE REALIZED THE NEED FOR SECULARISING A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY AGAINST ONE TAG IMPOSED ON IT.
IT IS HIGH TIME ..WE SHOULD BE LESS PROUD OF BEING CALLED A KINGDOM(DOESNT EXIST IN TODAY'S WORLD ,ONLY EXISTED DURING THE SLAVERY AGE) OR LESS PROUD OF BEING CALLED THE ONLY HINDU COUNTRY BUT MORE SHAMEFUL TO BE CALLED THE MOST POVERY STRUCK COUNTRY.

EVEB THE PURE HINDUS ( BRAHMINS-....E,G. SO CALLED DR. BABURAM) HAVE REALIZED THAT.THE BRAHMINS ARE OFTEN BLAMED .... IN FACT FACES THE WORST VOCAL DISCRIMINATION ....BEING CALLED SHREWD, CHEAT, TAPARA...BAHUN BAJE ( THOUGH THEY MAY NO LONGER PERFORM THEIR ANCESTRAL HINDU OCCUPATIONS...WHO INFACT ARE POWERFUL LEADERS TODAY). WHY ARE THEY OFTEN EXPRESSED HATRED EVEN THOUGH INFACT THERE ARE POOREST OF POOREST BRAHMIN-CHETTRIS IN NEPAL .

WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THESE HATRED ...

WHY IS THE COUNTRY SO POOR ??

WHY ARE THE PEOPLE SO IGNORANT??

WHY CANT NEPALESE STILL MAKE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ANIMALS AND MEN??

WHY ARE THE EXTREMIST SO WORRIED ABOUT A COW BEING BUTCHERED BUT LESS BOTHERED TO FIND THE ROOT CAUSE FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEING KILLED?

HOW CAN THEY BE FOOLED....BELIEVING A NORMAL PERSON TO BE BISHNU'S INCARNATION INFACT THE IGNORANT HINDUS STILL BELIEVE THAT IN THE VILLAGES??? WHY DONT THEY REALISE THAT WAS A SETUP ...A POTICAL PLOY ...ESP AT THE ERA WHEN PEOPLE WERE BLIND AND IGNORANT??


WHY CANT WE ACCEPT CIVILISATION OR GLOBALISATION IF IT 'S HEALTHY FOR ALL THE NATION??

NOW THAT THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN DECLARED SECULAR...I AM SURE THEIR WOULD BE LESS SUPPORT FOR MAOISTS...WHO ALSO GAINED POPULARITY AMONG COMMUNITIES WHO ALWAYS FELT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE TERM HINDU NATION BEING IMPOSED





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Re: Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?
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I agree with that Muna reads a lot and she really has great knowledge. But I can not agree with her thoughts with respect to this topic of discussion. You have to experience a real life among muslim people, especially from the middle east to feel how they relate to you as a Hindu. During my study in Ukraine, I had many muslim institute-mates and class-mates from the middle east (Siriya, Palestine, Oman, Yaman, Lebnon, Sudan, Somaliya, Iraq, Iran, Egypt). I was only one nepali in the city and at the university. But their number was more than 40. When one of them needed help in doing assignments, projects and even in exams they came to me with request, and I had always helped. But at other times they behaved with me like no better than dust on their feet.
So, based on my experience, I think within 10 years you will have to fear to tell that you are a Hindu, if this is not reverted.

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Re: Do you agree with parliament's decision to declare Nepal a secular state?
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Yes I do agree . This is what the need of present world. There should not be politics in religoin , race , colour and the topic of humanity.And the natoin is in the edge of change Our leaders should not trable to go with the need and wind of change around the world. This era wants the secular world not even a state. Every leader should think globally not in the contrary of Country. If any organizatoin or party does politics in religin they will get the big slap ppl as BJP got in India. Still there is a big racial problem in Nepal as Gvt and other too are announcing the quota for Dalit , mahila , janajati bla bla ... i dont feel this is the way of secular. If every ppl need right than just go democratically. Every ppl should achive with their skills and educatoin.

Announcement of secular state disappoints Hindus all over the world
Kathmandu, 26 May: India’s major Hindu nationalist political parties such as BJP, RSS, Bajrang party, Shivasena along with some major Hindu organizations seem quiet with the Nepal’s parliamentary announcement which declared Nepal as a secular state, writes Hindu weekly.

The declaration has disappointed the Hindus all over the world as the honor of calling Nepal as the only Hindu nation in the world has been snatched.

The following declaration is a conspiracy to establish Nepal as the Christian headquarters of Southeast Asia and it would turn out to be very dire for the Indians in the coming days.

People’s News/KDB

Kalp writes (posts):

((The declaration has disappointed the Hindus all over the world as the honor of calling Nepal as the only Hindu nation in the world has been snatched. ))

What's honor to one person is dishonor to the other person. Secularism is the 'middle path.' It doesn't disgrace Hinduism - but puts it on equal footing with other religions of the land.

If what Kalp posts is to be believed, it seems to me the only reason the Hindus want Nepal to be a "Hindu state" is so that they can brag to their foreign friends, " You know, Nepal is the only Hindu country in the world." It's all about the bragging right, isn't it?

What a shallow/stupid reasoning! And Kalp ascribes this to be the position of the Hindus all over the world.

Kalp certainly insults the intelligence of the Hindus all over the world. He probably thinks the Hindus all over the world are morons!

Karmapajee,

Kalpjee has quoted the news source above. So please read it carefully before critisizing someone. Do not insult your intelligence by writing things just for the sake of secularism. HINDUISM IS NOT SOMETHING WE HINDUS HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT !!!!!

I hope your understanding expands a bit when I say it. Otherwise please read about Hinduism before commenting on anything. When a state or govt. brings any drastic change - it has to be in a democratic way. Nepal is a country where more than 85% of the people are Hindus and majority certainly want it to remain a Hindu country. A govt. that does not have the mandate of the people DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE SPIRIT OF THE NATION !

still kalp deserves a whammy. he probably posted that news blurb because he believes in it himself. so no harm in taking him to task for it.

the paper, in effect, reports that the Hindus all over the world are pissed that their bragging right to say "Nepal is the only Hindu country in the world" has been snatched. read carefully! implication: if the HIndus of of the world want to see Nepal as a " Hindu state" just to maintain their bragging right, then I'm afraid this is the stupidest/shallowest reason I've ever read or heard. It is hilarous.

blame the news source for insulting the intelligence of the Hindus the world over. the new source probably thinks that the Hindus of the world are nothing but morons. so that's the level of reporting we get from the Hindu mouth piece, the Hindu weekly.

What can we expect done when all we have are corrupt and visionless leaders on one side and highly motivitated and ruthless killers on the other side and they both join hands.. we are doomed.. and are embarking a combined journey to finish the nation..

Ramlakhan,

You should learn history before lecturing about history. The Malla and Licchavis were also mainly Hindus. How do you account for all the Hindu temples in Kathmandu that predate the Gorkha period?

Bista's book is discredited in many academic circles because it has a tendency to ignore a lot of facts to suit his thesis,

R.

you guys tell me--will the holidays for Dashain or Tihar curtailed because now Nepal already turned into Secular may have its effects on Hindu culture, festivals like Dashain, tihar, Shiva Ratri, Ram Nawomi, Chitra desai, Krishna janmasthami.etc. If not curtailed then there can be voices supporting the holiday on other religions' festivals such as lohasar, Christian Happy New year, easter day, christmas days,etc,etc, too.

I doubt there are chances of confrontation between Hindus and nonhindus on above if not soon, later may be.

I am just curious to know about it, will anyone clear my mind on above?

bineet, nepalnews is crap and bias and you just want to read what you want to hear just like all the people crying like immature fools to have hindu state. if you are worried that violence may happen do this move, then would suggest you get together with your fellow people of nepal to stop this from happening or discouraging it. you have a brain then use for the betterment of people of nepal!!! just don't say he said or she said, fact can be fictionalize and there are alot of this happening!!!

shampoo... what do you mean were voices supporting the holiday on other religions' festivals such as losar, Christian Happy New year, easter day, christmas days, etc... before when nepal was a hindu kingdom???!!! just look at the holidays in nepal's calender and you are worried that the hindu festivals will be curtained, how selfish can you be???!!!!

secular nepal is not about weather the mojority are hindus or people of nepal did not get to vote for it!!! it is not weather in the future there "will be more convert to" christain, muslim, buddhist, etc.. from hindu!! it is about realizing and respecting the past, the present and the future of people of nepal whom are non hindus and just like hindus of nepal facing the sun daily... to survive as a dignified human being.