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CaMoFLaGeD
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Posted on 07-08-06 9:30
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Dear Friends: I see so many educated person in sajha. So many views in Politics. We have not talked about the economic revolution, which is a MUST in today's scenario. Dear friends please share your views. Political stability itself is not the final answer, we should have sound economic condition. It should be the final goal of any politics. when will we all be united for economic revolution? Have you guys ever heard about any economic program brought forward by Maoists? They all keep telling we should get rid of this 235 yrs (not sure abt this number hai!!:-)) old rulers etc. But never heard about how the Maoists will lead to the economic prosperity of the country. They have never come up with any plan that says when will our country be economically sovereign. Okay, we will take the king out of throne. We will manage all the arms and Maoists Militia. Now what?? Maoists are already been fed by Indian beaurocrates and politicians. They have already started relying upon the Indian Politics. That means we will not see any radical change in economic development. So, what did we nepalese gain?? 13,000 people died just to take these guys to the headlines. That's it. Prachanda keeps telling that every country has come through the civil war before it has developed. But I feel, its not the civil war that led to the development. It is the economic strategy, the country followed , that led the country to economic welfare. It's time to start homework regarding the economic revolution in Nepal. Ganesh Man Singh was right by that time when he said "You helped us in political revolution, Now we need your help in economic revolution" but nobody listened to him. We are already 13 years late. We don't want to be late no more. There should also be a "Team" formed by this government which will decide the economic pathway of the country. Selling the Electric power is not the solution. We should be able to consume all the power and sell the product we produce. We are not weak as far as our skill is concerned all we need is a good management and a good policy.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-08-06 10:05
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There was an interesting article by some nepalese prof of harvard on how to use grid network - transportation to strenthen Nepal's economy.You should read it .it is really interesting.It might be in Nepal news guest article. the reason we see america is so developed is because it has roads...access to each and every part . Nepal is still stuggling in issues like caste,religion and politics.There are no visionist leaders working towards changing the economic shape up the country. either its Royal regime or SPA Regime or Maoist . they will try to dominate other forces first.All their efforts and invoved in that so they do not have time to think about these issues. Even if maoist comes , which people are thinking is going to be great.i did not see any economic vision in them.They are still stuck in the land ..just land..we need to distibute land.. etc.. Ok personally i do not own that much land nor my family owns it .I have nothing to get scared of maoists land reforms But think about it.. why in west a farmer has so much land but if we divide that into 100 parts how much would they produce.Mass agriculure and farming is required not small scale which is not even sufficient to feed one family. Selling Electricity..India is not the only country we can sell electricity.we need to realise that this is one world.These renewal energy should have grid throughout the world.So , electricity of Nepal can be supplied to USA.It is dream ..but certianly not impossible dream.And Electrical engineer should now this.
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CaMoFLaGeD
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Posted on 07-08-06 10:32
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I agree with you ImI, Transportation and electric power supply are the basic needs to florish economic activities in any country. Apples in Helumbu could be transported to Kathmandu. Oranges from Lamjung could be transported to other parts of Nepal. These are just few examples. We find all Indian oranges consumed in Nepalese Juice Factories. They want to buy it from Nepal but it costs them much higher than that from India. It is all because the farm industry has not been institutionalized and the transportation system is not efficient, hence high price. I don't blame these farmers. They don't know what will happen next year. May be a month of strike and they will not be able to sell any of their products. They will obviously raise the price. Price for Uncertainty. We have 35 hrs of load shading in Nepal, how can we imagine any factory work in this condition?? Nepalese electricity is on of the most expensive electricity in the world. The market is all flooded with Indian Products. Where are those Everest Toothpaste, Brighter toothpaste, Star Beer, Ice Berg etc?? While all the foreign product can make business in Nepal why our own Nepalese product get lost somewhere in Middle. It's time now. All these things should be settled. Keeping King is not a big question, getting to a new economic height should be a big concern.
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ne23pe
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Posted on 07-08-06 10:54
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CaMoFLaGeD bro you are right in pointing out these things but if you are waiting on these maoists and these old politicians with old mentality then you have to wait a long time. If you really want to develop all these things in Nepal then what we need is people from abroad lending hands. I for one want to help with this but there are not many in Sajha who want to start something to transform the economy of our country. Remember one thing, India's economy was developed by all the NRI because they brought back skill. You seem like the person who have visions to accomplish what you say so if you want to start a group that would try to help the economy of Nepal then let me know and I will be your first member. But if your are waiting on maoists and the old politicians then you will never see that day.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-08-06 10:57
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SAD to tell you this: with things that are going now..people will be stuggling for issues like jaat paat,kill all..rich people etc.. I see no hope for that country and no future.That is why all the people who can are leaving. That country would be ruled by stupid netas.. NO economic vision by mao No economic vision by SPA. Sad sad but true.. no future for Nepal. Unless there comes a leader who realizes the importance of transportation grid and electric grid.
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ne23pe
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:06
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How about it camoflaged bro, r u up for starting something or you r still going to wait on the pathetics leaders and commies. I know there are lot of problems in Nepal but just talking about it is not going to do anything. I have heard many people say many things but when it comes to doing something then they just back of. How about anybody in Sajha, does anyone want to do anything or they just want to be a bystander and hope for the best for future of Nepal by the commies and pathetic leaders?
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sajhauser
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:07
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I think road is the building block of any country. A lot of people say it's education, but goods and services and business cannot arrive without road. And educated people(e.g. doctors) usually don't want to go to a place where there is no goods and services. I don't think electricity is the biggest source of income for Nepal. Becuase it's too expensive to produce. Who is going to invest on it? Then we again have to rely on foreign countries.... The only thing that nepal is rich, is on it's natural beauty, which requires minimal investment and maximum profit. So tourism is best souce of income for nepal.
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CaMoFLaGeD
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:22
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Ne23pe.. I agree with you about standing up by ourself in doing something good for our country. It should always be in our mind that we should alteast start investing some of our income. We can also take it as doing business back in Nepal. This is how we can get some more job opportunities for those unemployed people back in Nepal. Plus the revenue, taxes etc for our country. I don't recall it pretty clearly coz I was a little baby by that time, however it is said that there was a radical change in Indian economic policy, which led to these NRI interest in investing money in India. In ANA I saw these people, who have own a good business in USA. I think the policy makers should start attracting these people who can invest in Nepal. We will be able to be in that levell after few years and I am pretty much enthusiast in doing the investment back in Nepal.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:27
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How are u tourism fourish unless you have good transportation grid? basis of overall economic development is Transportation grid. Second one of Electricity..tourism goes hand in hand. when u have electric grid u have investor..don't have to wait for India only.That is why we need grid..industies,rails,nuclear powerplants.. for fertilizers.. so much u can generate from electricity.. tourism should always be extra income not the main income .we need to be independent of other people giving money.Though i agree we need to sell that as much as we can.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:30
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we don't need to be dependent on other people giving money
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memyselfandnepal
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:38
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Interesting points...but still not touching the heart of the problem: 1) A country or society cannot progress if it has no respect for it's history and culture and traditions...no respect of these 3 essential aspects leads to lack of nationalism which in turn leads to underdevelopment 2) If people start worshipping a bunch of hooligans and terrorists and corrupt terrorists...the country can never progress 3) if the basics are wrong...if a generation is brought up by the rule of gun, given gun at 5 years age, where every child grows up hearing anti-national statements...the society can never progress... Road grid, electrical grid...any grid...the first grid should be the Nationalism grid which should join us! Any takers?
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rudra prasad upadhya
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Posted on 07-08-06 11:58
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This guy must be no more than 12 years old. Either that, or he's been snorting coke out of his a$$.
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memyselfandnepal
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Posted on 07-08-06 12:02
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Shudra Prasad came to terrorise people in the thread where people were talking on development of a country...SPAMmer terrorists cannot even spell the D of development...Can't expect much from these terrorists...Shudra Prasad is Number 11 nick in the pack of terrorists.
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hukka_nepali
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Posted on 07-08-06 12:15
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Empowerment of our people should come through economic awareness and financial independence not any particular kind of political ideology. We would have had the opportunity for economic development had it not been for the terrorist acts carried on by the Maoists for the last 13 years. It's not a rocket science to figure out Nepal would have definitely benefited just on the virtue of being in between two of the world's fastest growing economies. Which really makes you wonder about the whole motive and the precise timing of this so called "Maoist Revolution" and the international conspires behind it. I mean think about it, if you truly believe Maoists were running their party solely through donation and money extortion then you are kidding yourself. Nepali brain isn't any lesser than of Indians when it comes to IT stuff. We could have definitely had our share of IT and outsourcing boom Nepal. For India it would mean $$$ out of their economy into Nepal's. And I am not talking a few millions $$ here, I am talking in billions. So, it was a very easy choice for India to finance Maoist to keep the instability in Nepal while it took some of the biggest foreign investment in the last decade. Just like this generation will never forgive the Ranas for depraving Nepalis of education for 100s of years, the future generation will never forgive the Maoists for sabotaging their economic foundation. Once again I hate to sound such an India hater but the fact is their policies on Nepal speaks volume. So just like if we want political stability and peace, we need to separate ourselves from India (and I don’t mean isolate). It is just as much important for Nepal to NOT be so directly dependent on India for our economic growth. Nepal being landlocked and most of our imports and exports traffic via Indian sea ports has been their biggest exploiting leverage. Just a few days ago China opened its 5 billion dollars railway line linking Tibet to mainland China and if there ever was a starting point for economic awareness and financial independence, this is it! Multi landed highways need to be constructed, even a railway line of our own connecting Tibet to different big cites of Nepal needs to be build. If we can accomplish this not only we won't have to depend on only India or China but we can have them depend on us for proving easy and efficient trade route for Indo-China trade. We can be the transit point for over 3 billion plus peopl........imagine the possibility! Sky is our limit.
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ne23pe
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Posted on 07-08-06 12:15
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rudra prasad upadhya ji, Why r u starting such a stupid conversation in a place where we are talking about development. You disagree with memyselfandnepal thats fine but do not put down anybody. And by the way memyselfandnepal did not say anything wrong because we nepalese really to lack respect for our previous history thats why we can't move forward. But education, economy, and etc... will change the way we think so if you can't talk anything reguarding development then don't spread your venom here.
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Posted on 07-08-06 12:25
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the govt should start the economic reform with a vivid political ideology, as far as i am concerned, be it a democratic, communism, socialist, that barely matters, what matters is how disciplined and focused is the govt. Govt-Ppl-maobadi better come to an understanding that this tug war between parties and maoist is not a win-win...it will never come to an end, develop a consensus. econimic reform-increast the cash flow first, how is the govt suppose to initiate steps towards economic reform, without any money. taxes....going back last 10 yrs, start collecting tax first, sales tax, property tax, fed tax.
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ne23pe
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Posted on 07-08-06 2:15
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Trust me camoflaged bro, I know there are many Nepalese who want to help but they are waiting for dual citizenship, favorable politics, etc... and they will have to wait a lot more then couple of years in order to get that. By that time there probably won't be anyone left in Nepal to help. All I am saying is that we in Sajha should do something right now, not in couple of years, because in that couple of years we should be much smarter on the things that we need and should build. I am just searching for few people who are really interested in helping me with this quest. So how about it camoflaged bro? Do you want to start something soon or matter of fact anyone in sajha? Trust me bro, couple of years would be too long to wait and nothing being done on the things that we just talked about?
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sajhauser
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Posted on 07-08-06 5:07
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Nothing can be done during political instability. Just talk about it....or make plans...like we are doing rt now...but when this instability ends, nepalis should focus on tourism as it is the main income(in practicality) for nepal. And also start building roads side-by-side. Generating electricity to sell to india is not a practical solution, because 1) Nepal cannot afford the investment 2) Even if nepal gets investment(somehow), there is no gurantee the project(s) will be successful 3) India can generate its own electricity (nuclear). There were several micro-hydro project in the villages, which stopped due to political instability. It should resume after the country gains stability.
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Tyra
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Posted on 07-08-06 6:15
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Nice thread , you guys have a vision ,education , (some of you might have reached at the extreme polar in your field ) and passion to do something for the country . And I bet you guys can lead any kind of socio-economic revolution .yet all of you are out of country and the flood of the brain drainage is getting bigger and bigger everyday . This is one of our misfortune and still there is another worst Misfortune has written down on our forehead AND that is “ To let those demagogues free to play their dirty gameâ€.
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karmarana
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Posted on 07-08-06 7:08
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This is what we should be discussing.... CRUSH Prachanda.. that bastard not gonna do anything.... I don'tlike SPA.. but hey SPA, I will salute you guys if you can eliminate theis Prachanda forever.... Baburam shoudl go to Ranchi forever.
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