Donataka kono koto kitei masu desuyoka?
Mosi anataka sitteiru hito dattara MostAccomplished Nepalis in Japan?
no naka no hito bito no namae o koko ni kaite onegai simasen ka?

Watakushi sitteiru hito wa kaki no yo na gozaimasu ga.

1. Prof. Madan Karkee, Ph. D.
2. Dr. Naresh Sthapit, Ph. D.
3. Dr. Surya Acharya, Ph. D.
4. Dr. N. B. Basnet, MBBS, MD, Ph.D.
5. Dr. S. B. Gurung
6. Dr. T. P. Sapkota, First Nepali Ph. D. in Environmental Law
7. Dr. Birbal Rana, First Nepal to get Ph.D. in Glaciology
8. Late Dr. Tej B. S. Pradhan
9. Dr. Manandhar, A Teacher at Hiroshima University.
10. Dr. Sujan Malla, Ph.D. in Civil Eng., now works in Swiss Firm in Zurich.
(Dr. Malla's design work related to one dome was featured in
a journal/magazine as one of the best design of the year..... forgot the
complete information .... ). Dr. Malla, in my understanding is one
of the most accomplished Nepali Engineer in the world.

I had listed only the peoples whom I knew and fortunately, all of them,
had PH.D. degree in their field.

hGxP

I would prefer to title this thread as
"Neplese who spent a lot of time in school!!!"
unless you can give me specific accomplishments. Going to school and getting a degree and a job afterwards is not really an accomplishment

I concur. Academic canon is all well and good but it only confirms the stereotype that Nepalis do well in "Ghokantey" bidhya. What we need are inventors, entrepreneurs, top notch negotiators, and extremely capable diplomats as well.

Not to say that there are none, but through what lenses do you measure said achievements? Western standard, Indian standard seems unfair given our historical disadvantage whereas using just Nepali standard makes you a big fish in a tiny pond but still a guppy in the ocean.

As long as you are not the employer but always the employed following protocols and regulations by someone higher than you, you are just working for the man. That view may be considered radical and controversial, but I think its a legitimate assessment.

Pallav, Param and Para of www.spinybabbler.org would be on the top of my list....
_diwas

oops.. wrong thread... sorry about that Guruji,,, I did not read your "Japan" part _diwas

NK Posted on 04-18-02 9:21 AM Reply | Notify Me

I have the same question as Vagabound has. It appears you only need to be a doctor (_BP and Hahooguru's list) to be an "accomplished Nepali." What a joke if not pathetic. Aren't we setting the bars too low becuase we are garib khana napaune Nepali so having a Ph.D. and a M.D. is a great event for us? Is it enough to have our name on the "Most Accomplished Nepali" List because we got a degree? What are these people's contibution to society? What have they done so far except going to school and getting a Ph.D. and working in the US, Japan, various parts of Europe? I don't see much difference between these people and a dishwasher who is working in a Punjabi Dhaba in Jackson height. All economic migrants and nothing to be ashamed of at the same time nothing to be proud of. It just is.

if that engineer has indeed done something importand in her field then definitely she should be on the list. And yes, I would put Samrat's name on the List. He has given a face, a Nepali face, in the vast sea of innumerable South East Asian writers. Now we are not known only so called Bir Gurkha who used to work for peanuts in the British Army and be grateful, a sherpa porter who is happy to carry our white masters burden, we can write too!


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garib nepali
ID: 48513115 Posted on 04-18-02 11:34 AM Reply | Notify Me
ow about managers and president of NGO.


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cyberpal
ID: 16484365 Posted on 04-18-02 12:16 PM Reply | Notify Me
men NK
I'm with you on this one. Getting a degree from a good school in whatever field does not really tentamount to being an accomplished Nepali.
Also we should take into account the "hmm... here's an applicant from Nepal how interesting " factor in getting into a good school in the first place.

As a side note, we still seem to harbor medical profession as some sort of devine profession. This is one of my pet peevs so let me rant on it a little more. This is the only profession I know where one peer addresses another with the Dr. title (well maybe also among Ph. D holders too in international organizations).
I was chatting with my cousin kid the other day about this summer vacation plans and guess what he is doing -- visiting this Dr. uncle.
As that guy in 20/20 would say -- give me a break.

Before people slam with banalities let it be known -- i'm not really one of those ER watching doctor wannabes who couldn't be one. All I'm saying is damn it its just another profession.

Accomplishment is relative term.

If I were from poor disadvantaged family, just taking SLC exam would be an accomplishment whereas if all my family members hold Ph. d or hold professional degree, then to me having Ph.d is not an accomplishment.

Having Ph.d and earning big buck may not be an accomplishment. But until someone comes with something noteworthy as Samrat coming w/ book or Suddha Shah racking up almost million dollar commission , they are the most accomplished!

You all who replied so far are pathetic peoples. You are frustrated
and are jealous to others. Before you post your pathetic comments,
you could have asked these individuals have done? You have missed
that very important question. I did not write their name just because
I know them personally, but, they have contributed directly or
indirectly in Nepal more than you pathetic people will ever dream in
your whole life time. It clearlys shows your living style in the country of
your presence. You just go and look back before you put your
negative postings, you would gong to ask the positive side of these
individuals. But, your life was in miserable condition, so you always
had only negative, pessimism, and sarcastic things revolving in
your mind. It shows the quality of brain of Nepalis living abroad.

Shame on you. Learn to think positively, before you vomit your
frustrations in public place.

hGxP

Villa ko desh-ma mani. -- Bhanya k ho.

-
-
Dishwasher with 12th Grade education (or above)
ko circle bhitra ka haru le ke ko padhe lekheka haru ko barema
positively sochna ta sikekai hunna ni lina sakcha ra, sikeko bhe
pani sab brain bata drain bhai sakyo --jata sukai bata fail hunda hunda---

They were failed in all corners of life, thats why they
are dishwashers (those with 12th grade or Bachelor education),
and how can you expect postive attitude from them.
They will be rather having fun on others looking themselves on mirror
and extrapolating all the peoples in the world are extactly look like themselves.
They were over-run by frustrations, and it is natural to find their
postings negative, sarcastic, and full of vomit.

God Bless them.
hGxP

Hahooguru:
And I take that you going ballistic over people raising legitimate objections or counter points to what you say, resorting to name calling is a mark of true sophistication, high intellect and "true" Nepali? Oh I get it. Crystal.

Look Doozie,

You don't have to start from -ve infinity to call it legitmate
objection. I want to ask you why should you Object first?
if you don't know the peoples in the list at all. Instead of
making a prejudice thinking that "Dr." is the sole criteria
to put their name in the list, you have started it from positive
side of discussions and then, finally, decided that "Well,
they are not acceptable to me to consider them most
accomplished Nepalis ... in Japan". Before knowing anything,
just looking at the "Dr." title, all these peoples were furious
and were vomiting here. It clearlys shows they have something
wrong with their stomach and will vomit for anything and for
everything. They have learnt nothing to take positive at the
start. I want to ask to start from positive thinking at the start,
well, let things get clarified and if you do not accept, don't accept
at the end. But, here all were jealous to _BP's list because he
brought all MD doctors and I brought all Ph.D. doctors. It clearly
shows as Nepal-jin wrote, that their parents told them not to
believe peoples. Its a national problem of Nepal, and Nepali
education needs to reform to ask their students and citizen to
think first positively and only after knowing all the things in detail
you take it or reject it. But, the life in Nepal is so miserable, that
every one tries to pull your leg down, and all jokes are negative,
so peoples do not have better life, all those failures made Nepali's
brain to think every thing from negative side, sarcastic comments...
You can read here comments all most all the time, you can find this
clause "Though I don't agree with ... him, but, .....I agree with
... in this issue". This is usual statement among south asian peoples,
not only Nepalis, I want to say here that NO ONE here in this world
agrees all the time with anyone, everyone has differences, but,
these peoples are so scared that by making +ve start like "I agree
with ...", they might be called CHAMCHA of the guy s/he is agreeing.
So, our culture has taught us to take all things first negatively,
even our heart says "kura ta thikai ho, tara ma kina +vely liyera
tyasko bhalo garne .... ". This mentality did not cease even after they
moved developed countries, because they never tried to change themselves.

You need guts to take things positively, to be optimistic, to be feel great
out small things .... This is the borderline between developed and
underdeveloped mentality of peoples. This makes big difference in
nation building issues. Go, rethink and try to take things positively,
you will find world colorful, and if you can not take things positively,
world is hell for you, you will not trust anyone, you will find yourself
lonely, frustrated, and feel like vomiting, and you are among those
guys who vomited here in this thread or in other thread. Its all
happened because of "NANI DEKHI LAGEKO BANI" and if you can not
take things positively, you look at your mirror, try to find where you
had wrong, why your mind is "barha barsha kukkur ko puchhur
dhungra ma hale pani banga ko bangai" = Barha barasha developed
country ma bashera pani positive feeling develop garna nasaknu.

If you have guts try to correct yourself, don't try to defend your
negative comments, and pessimism.

Iti sri.
hGxP

Don't say anything against Haho Guru, otherwise he will vanish again and we have to create another fan club to bring him back.

Ki kaso?

ok halla garne guru Ji
why don't you tell us why are those people that you have listed above are in your top ten list. by the way I do respect all those people who got highest degree possible but I do not humiliate those who didn't get any education simply because of the circumsatances. Take all the poor people in remote village of Nepal. Even if they want to they can't go to school. If I look at them from your point of view, they are simply "it". I'm finishing my masters on ASTRO PHYSICS and I will go for Ph. D by the way.

Hahoo:
Let me understand what you said. So you are berating me and trying to show how bad of a human being I am and even worse of a Nepali because you are positive and because I am not optimistic? Some people would call that contradiction, but apparently its okay.

BTW read my comments right. I was merely suggesting to expand the criteria of greatness. I don't see anything negative in that. Why should trying to include people other than doctors and academics be necessarily negative? And why should that detract anything from any of the people in your list?

Let me give you a simple analogy. Dal Bhat is good. But sometimes pasta, sushi, burgers are good as well. No matter how well dal bhat is cooked, its still dal bhat. Hope this helps.

Mr. RS wrote:

why don't you tell us why are those people that you have listed above are in your top ten list.

---
I expected this question, instead of nasty comments. As I wrote clearly
that these were the peoples who are great in Japan and are known to
me. There can be many more, and I requested others to add them.
But, peoples were so furious to see PH.D. at the end that they just
jumped on the list without asking why are they in the list. I will let you
know the hints (I am not their biographers to bring details) why
are they in the list. Let me see others list too, relevant to Nepalis in
Japan.

Thanks.
hGxP

Guru,

===> (..You all who replied so far are pathetic peoples...)

Santan thari tharika. Sabai ko sochai ekai hundaina. Sabai ko situation eutai hundaina. Therefore I better dismiss your first line from my POV. Of course, from your POV I am also pathetic... let it be, I accept it in advance.

===>(..Before you post your pathetic comments, you could have asked these individuals have done?..)

I agree with you on this point.

===> (..You have missed that very important question. I did not write their name just because I know them personally, but, they have contributed directly or
indirectly in Nepal more than you pathetic people will ever dream in
your whole life time...)

I don't know what they have contributed to Nepal's development. Though I am not going to write anything against them. Again, Santan Thari Tharika. Of course, every person is not going to ask you why you listed them? You better write at least one sentence after each individual's name how and in which area they have contributed. This would also show your honor to those individuals you listed above. When the information is not complete, it is obvious that messae will be distorted leading to confusion and frustration among others. Some people show it quickly and hotly and some people are cool and calm.

==> (... It clearlys shows your living style in the country of
your presence. You just go and look back before you put your
negative postings, you would gong to ask the positive side of these
individuals. But, your life was in miserable condition, so you always
had only negative, pessimism, and sarcastic things revolving in
your mind. It shows the quality of brain of Nepalis living abroad...)

Again, Santan Thari Tharika. Basically the trait is inherited among each Nepali.

===> (...Whole of the second posting from Guruji....)

===> (...Shame on you. Learn to think positively, before you vomit your
frustrations in public place...)

After reading the first and second posting in this thread, May I advice the same thing to you Guruji?

Karma ma Biswas Garne, Oohi Tapainkai subhachintak...

Parakhi

Negative shiko de shika kangaerarenai yoona kankyo de
sodatta neparujin wa aru imi dewa brain wash sareta
muno na kokumin desu ne.
(Sorry, I am comfortable in Japanese than English expressing my thoughts)

We Nepalese grown up in an environment which only taught us to think negatively are brain washed product of our education, our social system and our parents. This is my personal view. I agree with Hahooguru (I am not scared of people calling me CHAMCHA of hahooguru cause I think that's why I am) that we need guts to take things positively, to be optimistic, to be feeling great out of small things because I learned same thing here in Japan. I am not generalizing but I think we Nepalese are physically present (I mean our body) in different parts of world but we are still sticking with our old mentality.

Guru ji kina yasto bitter ho? Kubelai_ma saadhe_saat le chhoyo ki kya ho? Ki tapai le pani Kaalo padartha sewan gareko ho? _diwas


>-
>Dishwasher with 12th Grade education (or
>above)
> ko circle bhitra ka haru le ke ko padhe
>lekheka haru ko barema
>positively sochna ta sikekai hunna ni lina
>sakcha ra, sikeko bhe
>pani sab brain bata drain bhai sakyo --jata
>sukai bata fail hunda hunda---
>
>They were failed in all corners of life,
>thats why they
>are dishwashers (those with 12th grade or
>Bachelor education),
>and how can you expect postive attitude from
>them.
>They will be rather having fun on others
>looking themselves on mirror
>and extrapolating all the peoples in the
>world are extactly look like themselves.
>They were over-run by frustrations, and it
>is natural to find their
>postings negative, sarcastic, and full of
>vomit.
>
>God Bless them.
>hGxP

Guru Ji lecturing about being optimistic and taking things positively in such a pessimistic and negative tone is perfect example of contradiction and shows how pessimistic and negative is he.

This is like saying "Sale Gadha Jatha Chikne haru malai gali garcha, - lowclass uneducated vastards"

Ki kaso

Hahooguru,

My image of you being mature voice(I was really impressed with your suggestion of what gift (s) to take home Nepal ) in this room was purged by your recent diatribe.

You chastised us for not reading the whole comments before making 'negative' comments. You failed to practice what you preached sir. Even though I was fundamentally supporting you, you made no haste in calling everybody who has reponsded to your thread ‘pathetic’.

If you list the name of the persons, the burden of proof lies in your shoulder to provide in what ways they are accomplished. You failed to do so. Right after your posting, cyberpal wrote:
<< "Neplese who spent a lot of time in school!!!"
unless you can give me specific accomplishments. Going to school and getting a degree and a job afterwards is not really an accomplishment>>>

Did you read the line “…unless you can give me specific accomplishments” in his postings. Instead of letting us know their contribution, you went on saying you are not their biographer. You went on saying dishwasher, 12 grade qualificaion and all…

I wonder, how come a man of your stature who has PH.D and who is writing a book( didn’t you say in one of your posting that you submitted your book to publisher?) , who looks older than my father can go so low in attacking people who just disagreed with you. If not the education, atleast the age should have made you wiser! Borrowing your parlance..akhir tapai Nepali ta parnu vayo ni….tetro padera, desh bides ghumera…kukur ko puchar bango vane jastai…..

Your vitriol itself undermines your main argument. We may be dishwasher, we may not even have 12 grade education, and yes yes unlike you, in life we may never have seen any success! Then naturally question arises, why do you care for what we say? Why do you seem to need our validation? My master saeb in seventh grade used to recite one poem by Lekh Nath Poudel:

"Choto bade pachi vari furti dekhaucha!
Hera tyo khahare kholo kati ko gad-gadaucha!"

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