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Posted on 09-09-07 3:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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aba k bhannne yesta buda lai
bhir bata khasna khojni gorulai ram-ram bhan na sakincha kad thapna sakinnna
ki kaso hau

ational reconciliation policy still relevant: KP Bhattarai



Kantipur Report


KATHMANDU, Sept 9 - Nepali Congress (NC) founding leader and former Prime Minister Krishna Prasad Bhattarai Sunday claimed that the National Reconciliation Policy of BP Koirala is still relevant.
In a press statement today, Bhattarai opined that the increasing distance between the king and political parties would only weaken nationality, independence and democratic practices.

Stating that the national recondition policy would be still relevant in coming days, the octogenarian leader has also asked the NC not to erase its own history.

Bhattarai’s comments have come after the party’s central working committee adopted a proposal for a federal democratic republic last week.

Stating that the institution of monarchy has unifying role for religious, cultural, ethnic and political groups, Bhattarai also made a point that the prevailing transitional period in the country would come to an end only through unity and reconciliation.

He added that a feeling of vengeance would only further divide the nation.

Nepal’s first elected prime minister and NC founding member, BP Koirala had propounded the policy of national reconciliation in 1976 when he returned from self-imposed exile in India.

Bhattarai, who is placed second in the party hierarchy, has been living a politically secluded life in his Bhainsepati residence. He has not attended the interim parliament since April uprising last year insisting that the two factions of NC must unite before that.
 
Posted on 09-09-07 3:14 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Kisunji is 100 times better than makune, girije and 100000 better than prachande. I will buy the words of kisunji rather than other thugs.
 
Posted on 09-09-07 3:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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well queiro but i m sorry to u to state very very few ppl in nepal buy ur theory
poor u
 
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Buying theory has nothing to do with it.
Yes granted he is not so commanding leader but that guy is wise old man!

You may say what the hell.We can do it with these few new leaders and make new Nepal.
I bet Nepal is not going to exist and not because of India cause we are so divided and everyone wants power not unity.How can federalism based on race increase unity?
There is not unifying factor.It is better to divide into small countries like before 22-24 rajayas.
I see very less hope for Nepal and Maoist bastards are scared from CA.
 
Posted on 09-09-07 6:05 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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before I start my rantings let me just mention that I AM NOT A ROYALIST neither AM I FAN OF GYANENDRA or HIS SON PARAS.

personally i always thought KP Bhattarai to be a drunkard who lost his first election to MK Bhandari because of his own stupidness ... anyway leaving all these aside.

when i read his comment in NEPALNEWS. i was not only shocked in disbelief but I HAVE CHANGED MY OPINION ABOUT HIM.

finally, i know/realize that no one will listen to him and his comments.
but he did have a courage. I TRULY ADMIRE HIM NOWWWWW!!!!!!

not because of his support of monarchy et. al. but simple fact...
" WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR HISTORY AND WE CANNOT FORGET ALL THE CONTRIBUTION "

nepal ma ni rahechhan people who actually think about the PAST and WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHAT CONTRIBUTION SHAH DYNASTY HAS/HAVE in our existence. KP Bhattarai was the LAST PERSON i would have thought who would come out and EXPRESS his TRUE SENTIMENT.

personal note: i think whatever MONARCHY might remind of us .. but they have/had contributed something notable. ITS PART OF OUR HISTORY and WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO ACTUALLY TRY TO DESTROY ALL THE ARTIFACTS.

simple assertion in the end: if we were not involved in POLITICS. which regime was better
1. PANCHYAT
2. after 1990
3. period between 2000 to 2002
4. period between 2002 to 2006
5. 2007 onwards ... (O:


i certainly think that PANCHYAT was better. NO OFFENSE. once again. this is my personal view.
i was in school and till 1990 i never had a day off .. and always wished that school would close so that I do not have to do my assignment (O: hehe he

but anyway... 1990 to 1994 ... lot of closures ... and i liked it.. no assignments.. holidays.

but when i look back.. now a days.. its NEPAL BANDH almost every month.. he he he (O: what will those poor kids be doing @ school or for that matter colleges or universities.....
students are PHDs (pile high deep shit ) in politics.. and no respect for education. Professors are getting killed...

anyway...

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what do i know (O:
and what can i say )O:
 
Posted on 09-09-07 7:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thapap Bro ...The kids in school will make new nepal ..hahaha

with the blessings from all the student leaders .Nepal will produce millions of leaders .Granted they will have no book knowledge but they will know how to destroy statues ,burn tyres,stone buses etc etc...OUR current leaders are teaching them a lot ..THIS WILL CERTAINLY HELP TO CREATE NEW NEPAL.



I agree with you man, PANCHAYAT, i don't know how it was inside but from outside was much more peaceful.
well, example of lack of respect for history,culture and tradition even Poets.
Bhanu Bhakta.Why they hell they have to break his statue???I guess will are really going to start from scratch after destroying every building,bridges and roads..NEW NEPAL.



 
Posted on 09-09-07 9:27 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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just for the simple fact that he is a senior member of the citizen of nepal, i still have respect for the octogenarian. i can only give plaudits to him for successfully leading the first ever cabinet right after 1990 revolution whose prime objectives were to give constitution and a fair election thereafter to nepal and nepalese, in which, barring the fact that the constitution was not written in the most democratic way, his cabinet did come out with flying colors in the assigned task.

beyond that, i don't have much choice than to blame these stalwarts with the likes of himself, girija and other senior leaders of nepali congress, who never gave any chance whatsoever to allow the oldest democratic party of nepal to stand on their own without the wheelchair support from monarchy. bhattarai's irresponsible, immature and incompetent comments in the past have not surprised me and probably will never. this is just one of those instances.


thapap,
i respect your opinion and i understand your frustration, but don't just analyze stuffs from the surface...c'mon now, you can do it better. just because you were SHOWN 'peaceful nepal' through the veil we know by the name of panchayat, you cannot say it's the best system we ever had.
what we went through for the last 250 years and what came up post 1996, have a 'cause-effect' relationship...try to see that. i don't say maoists revolution came up in the right way, but i have every reason to believe that it was inevitable.


 
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It appears that most Nepali Dailies and unpopular Indian newspapers are trying their best efforts to defame the institution of Monarchy, Hinduism, and Nationalism of Nepal. Finally, Krishna Prasad speaks for the Monarchy; at least I salute this old lion for being firm in his belief. I wonder how few Nepalese dream Prachandu to be the president of Nepal. I hope none of their relatives have been killed by this demon, instead, I suspect, they might have been associated in with this mass killer in some form. I am sympathetic to those who still support this killer who presents himself to the future potential leader. Everyone knows that Maoists and Democratic Allies are afraid to lose the election against the monarchy, and hence, they do not even let the influential people contest. Now, common Nepali Hindu are blamed to be “fundamentalist and extremist” by these newly emerging newspapers. India vests more interest in Nepal, than it does in its own failed nation. Kantipur is campaigning for Maoists. Great! This is what the newspaper of a democratic nation does. Kantipur states “Both Subedi and Prasain claimed that the eight-party alliance has no right to abolish the monarchy and declare Nepal a secular state.” Absolutely, eight dictators have no right to represent Nepal. I notice that after that April movement, people are blindly following Maoists, regardless of the parties they represent. Summing up, the coalition formed itself represents spreading disease of communism. I can just say, to achieve absolute democracy, right people should follow right step at the right time, and I am sure, nothing is right at this time. There won’t be democracy, if there is no monarchy. Imagine you being the cadre of Prachnadu. There won’t be Madheshi if there is no monarchy. From the time of my birth, I have seen suppression against Madhesis, and even today, Madhesis COULD NOT force this government to resign Krishna Situala. What can be more compelling shame for Madhesis to accept that there is no place for them in this coalition government? Once the power is transferred to these dictators, Madheis will be exterminated in Nepal. Madhesis still have time to rethink and follow a solid strategy to make their base strong rather than blindly following to what others say. Visionary will the one who will survive in the ling run. With unclear strategy, attempting to rule overnight, failing to unite, following others – the demise of solidifying madhesi power is certain in the time to come. No communist country has been stable, financially or politically. Nepal is already on its making to a dictatorship and communist country. Good Luck to this part of Third World. Baba Pashupanitah Le Sabai ko Rakha Garun!
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Posted on 09-09-07 9:59 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i respect discussions and i have taken the views expressed here in that line

imiji
federal setup doesnt mean 22-24 rajyae
u can look at the setup of amrica or india where such practice has been there for long
and the national integrity hasnt beeen disturbed
if ppl want that structure then we shdnt take that vision as a ploy to divide country
saying this,every effort shud be made to make sure it has no collateral damage
if we try to block such aspiration of ppl,then country can turn into "'srilanka"

thapap,imiji
i have reservations regarding ur views.noway i can be satisfied with ur regards for panchayati system
if u say there was "shanti" during that period then i would say that was "adhiberi aunu aghi ko san-nata"
change ta hunu nai thyo,tehi change ko lagi yugantakari kranti pani bhayo
what is going on right now is nothing but aspiration for agragaman so if we try to visualise everthing with that spectacles,then we can understand everybody wants their
role in new nepal and all these chaos is their aspiration for change
but but dhamilo pani ma machha marne haru ko bhid bata hami sajak hunu parcha ,no doudt on that

mr lootu
i think we think on the same line
i wanna express solidarity with u

naya nepal jindabaad
 
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Kishunji used to love saying "bhagwan Bishnu le pani rokna sakdainan" referring to one thing or the other when he was active in politics. Maybe a republic is one of those unstoppable things too.

Just my thoughts.
 
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shrivastavji
madesh lai adhikar dinu parchha bhanne tapai ko bhawana sanga ma sorai ana samat chhu tara tapai ko bisbaman sanga bhane bimati rakhchhhu
hami sabai nepali hau ,hami milnu parchha ra hamlai kasto setup chahinchha bhanera decide garne hamilenai ho
tara desh lai divide garne kam nagarau
jai pahad,jai himal,jai madesh,jai naya nepal
 
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People who think republic is inevitable then i say civil war - within community, with idealogy is inevitable in Nepal as well.Let us watch the show .It is just getting entertaining.I am so loving this..CA CA now People lover, who does everything for people is running away.

May be internally Panchayat wasn't peaceful.But as a normal day to day person and ifyou were not involved in politics .It was peaceful.we didn't had bandh 200 out of 265 days.Did we???
 
Posted on 09-09-07 10:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IMI, then why dont we go back to the Panchayat? Why couldn't Gyanendra take us back to it? It's one thing to glorify the Panchayat on Sajha but if it was that good, why don't people run for election promising to return the country to the Panchayat? Even the RPP doesn't want the Panchayat. They've moved on but perhaps many of us here on Sajha haven't.
 
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Captain,
I am not debating that Panchayat was the best system.Of course it lacked democratic values.but for normal person if you remember ,did you had personally problem with panchayat?except beauracracy and all that never changed even after 1990.
Look now , you can't run a business.You cannot get job if you are not afflicated with some political party.What change do you see except getting worst.and i bet even ready to bet with you if this kind of things continue in Nepal ..Forget new Nepal.We will not have Nepal.

The way Maoist are pulling these tricks before CA to get to power not by votes but again muscle power.I see civil war coming.You don't ..Good for you!!but even when there is you will still not see.
 
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Just confirms my doubt. Kishun ji has gone senile and lost his mind. He just wants the country to backtrack. He is afraid of change, of the future. Probably thinks the panchayati system - with Congress Party playing second fiddle to monarchy - was the golden age of Nepal. But the young Turks within Congress Party have no time to listen to Kishun ji's crap. His comments on keeping monarchy during JanAndolan-2 and now are permanent stains on his otherwise impeccable legacy - they may even undo his legacy. The young Turks within the Congress Party have no time to listen to BP's "melmilap" ko siddhanta, which just got the CA election deferred indefinitely back then, helped lengthen the rule of Monarcy by another 50 or so years and got Congress Party and the country in the mess they are in now, and helped maintain the Koirala family's monopoly over the party mantle. 'Melmiap' ko siddhanta - so narrowly defined and interpreted by the Koirala clan - has Koirala family's political preservation at its core. Given that it will be quite tough to cut short the long shadow that BP continues to cast on Congress Party long after his passing away, the young Turks have started chipping away. Once the sound of 'republic' gains currency among the Congressis and 'melmilap' ko siddhanta gets trashed, the hold of the Koirala family over the mantle of the Congress Party too will likely slip away. Methinks it is a two-fold attack the young Turks are embarking on: at the 200-plus year Monarchy and the Koirala family's 50 plus year monopoly over the Congress Party apparatus. On both the counts, methinks the young Turks within the Congress Party are responding to historical imperatives.
 
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Every One must have a freedom to express their feeling.... I respect his feelings....
 
Posted on 09-10-07 1:15 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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What can I say HOME IS SWEET HOME. Histry will repeat again. KP will be top of the list. Nepal narahe kohi pani rahadaina. Mukarji ko baat khaanu bhanda KP ko laat khaanu besh!
 
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"i certainly think that PANCHYAT was better. NO OFFENSE. once again. this is my personal view." thapap


Ditto.

I also think that the best days of Nepal are well and truly behind us. Call me a doomsayer but the only thing that I see ahead is a disaster of proportions beyond what anyone of us had ever imagined.

The Pied Piper (Prachanda) has charmed the people of Nepal who are blissfully unaware of his diabolic plans and are diligently plodding behind him only to be thrown into the proverbial river to be swept away by the current and by that time it will have been too late for them to be rescued.

Bravo. Well done. You all deserve a pat on your back.
 
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DATE OF PRODUCTION B4 240 YEARS RETESTED 2007 BS AGAIN RETESTED 2046 BS DATE EXPIRES 2063 SO IT IS NOW POISONOUS TO TAKE KISUNJI......RETHINK WISH FOR UR GOOD HEALTH N LONG LIFE
 
Posted on 09-10-07 8:32 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepal is well on its way to becoming next Afghanistan or Iran in the aftermath of revolution. When an angry mob controls the state-power, it is dangerous. Political decisions are made in the parliament, not on the streets burning tyres. Nepal is a failed state now. Two armies, two courts, rampant violence..all indicators of a failed state. During the Panchayati days, of course we were not a democracy but we were not a failed state at par with those in Africa. Whatever might have happened covertly, overtly Nepal had its national pride. Now the Indian ambassador acts like a viceroy. What happned to our national pride, and national identity? Look at where we landed after 2046.

Therefore, if we are to take off our democratic mask and compare today's Nepal with that of the Panchayat, then, no matter how difficult it is to admit, we have to admit that as a state Nepal functioned properly then. Now its in a total mess.

What kind of democracy is it when you can only favor republicanism? Doesn't democracy mean acceptring the fact that there are many others who don't think the same way as you do? In Nepal it is a crime to speak anything but Ganatantra! Beats me! Is the whole of Nepal against monarchy? I don't think so. Maybe the majority does not like the King but that does not in any way prove that the majority is against the institution. Or does it?

Talk about Sambidhan Sava, as things stand now, I don't see it happening, and even if it does happen, will the Maoist respect the verdict/outcome? If I remember correctly (and my memory isn't quite good) from my history classes, Russia also had a Sambidhan Sava .. but Lenin killed all when the outcome was not exactly what the Bolsheviks had wished for. Our SPA leaders are acting more and more like Lenin's "useful idiots" and will be getting the same Bolshevik treatment as those Russian "useful idots" recieved.

Really, our's is the only democracy where we all are expected to harp the same tune without even knowing/fully understanding what we are harping.
 



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