नेवारलाइ काथर जाती भनेर होच्याउने चलन छ । सेनामा जान नेवारलाइ जातले नै दिदैन भन्ने भ्रम ब्याप्त छ । त्योभन्दा अगाडि बढेर नेवारलाइ होच्याउन अनेक कुथुङ्ग्रीहरु जोडिन्छ । जस्तो कि लड्नेभिड्ने कुरा सुन्यो कि घ्याम्पो खोज्न जान्छ भन्ने जस्ता कुराहरु साथिभाइमाथ अनौपचारीक तीर हानाहानमा भन्ने गरिन्छ ।

तर हालै प्रकाशित सेनामा जातीगत उपस्थीतिको तथ्यांकले यी कुराहरु मिथ्या हुन भन्ने देखाउँछ । नेवारहरुको ठूलो संख्या सेनामा छन । जातीय समानुपातिक उपस्थीतिलाइ मापो मान्ने हो भन्ने नेवारहरु चाहिने भन्दा बढी नै उपस्थीत छन । सेनामा जान इच्छुक जातीलाइ शुरो जाती मान्ने हो र जनसंख्याको अनुपातमा त्यसलाइ दाँज्ने हो भने नेपालका शुरो जातीहरु क्रमश: क्षत्री(३.४४:१), ठकुरी(२.७८:१), गुरुंङ(१.४६:१), मगर (१.४३:१), ब्राम्हण (१.२३:१), र नेवार (१.१३:१) रहेछन (हेर्नुस रातो गोलाहरु)। यस्तै जनसंख्याको अनुपातमा कम उपस्थीति भएकाहरु क्रमश: राइ (०.९३:१), तामाङ (०.८०:१), लिम्बु (०.७६:१), थारु (०.७३:१), र दलित (०.४७:१) हुन आउँछ (हेर्नुस नीलो गोलाहरु)।

अचम्म यो छ कि नीलो गोलाका लिम्बु, राइ, थारु वा अन्य जातिहरुलाइ काथर भनिन्न, तर नेवारलाइ मात्रै काथर भनेर होच्याउने दुष्प्रयास गरीन्छ । हालै मैले पढेको "नेलेखिएको इतिहास" भन्ने अष्ट्रीयन खोजकर्ताले लेखेको आख्यानमा यस्तो कुप्रचार नेवारहरुलाइ दमन गर्ने योजनाबद्ध षडयन्त्रको नतीजा हो भन्ने तर्क गरीएको थियो, (फेला पर्यो भने त्यो आख्यान साझामा राख्ने छु, कसैसित छ भने राख्न अनुरोध पनि गर्दछु) । अहिले यो तथ्याङक देख्दा ती इतिहासकारको तर्क जायज हो भन्ने लाग्यो ।

So what is your point?

Kaynish1, Do you understand nepalese? if yes, you should have no problem to understand the point. It is clear in my posting.

I understand exactly what it says.I don't see the purpose of it. Newars have been known to be that for generations. Don't get me wrong, I have some Newari in me too.Anyways have good one.

  I do not think Newars are cowards. 
  But i know that Newari culture does not value  service and sacrifice as much as other culutures  do. And since business is at heart of their rich tradition, a career in defense or police force can be considered very risky with less reward. Historically Newari culture has failed to come together,instead they have split and fought amongst each other.
 But these are all general remarks, individuals are different. Hence these should be something to reflect back as history.
 The future for Nepali living together and prosperously is in our hand.  Let's make it a better place to live by joining hands.

CT bro.. ur research is good ... but I did not understand in what connection you are posting this... I have never heard anyone saying Newars as cowards.

If Newers were cowards, the Lichhavi and Malla dynasty would have never existed. History is written for winners.

I smell your bitter remorse on other caste in this post...

Enjoy Dashain... happy weekend!!!

CT bro.. ur research is good ... but I did not understand in what connection you are posting this... I have never heard anyone saying Newars as cowards.

If Newers were cowards, the Lichhavi and Malla dynasty would have never existed. History is written for winners.

I smell your bitter remorse on other caste in this post...

Enjoy Dashain... happy weekend!!!

Timiharu pheri aayeu jatiya kura liyera gu khane haru.

come n' i'll show you how brave newars are.  mf neta ho ki kya ho ta?? sucker, khali waiyaat topic nikalera jhagada garauna khohchas?? pakkai teri ama lai bihari le thokya hunu parcha

I should bring MY NEWAR ARMY friends to kick your ass and you will see who is coward and who is not.

Be careful before you say anything......Sale gadha sara desh lai dubayera ajha pugena talai newar yesto usto bhanna.

Ghar thulo banayera , pajero bhatta bunga road ma chadhayera, nepali ko ragat chusne sale......paisa ko lagi swasni pani dau ma lagauna berr laudainau taharu.

Better go and shot urself.

 

I should bring MY NEWAR ARMY friends to kick your ass and you will see who is coward and who is not.

Be careful before you say anything......Sale gadha sara desh lai dubayera ajha pugena talai newar yesto usto bhanna.

Ghar thulo banayera , pajero bhatta bunga road ma chadhayera, nepali ko ragat chusne sale......paisa ko lagi swasni pani dau ma lagauna berr laudainau taharu.

Better go and shot urself.

 

I agree with you Mr. CT regarding the gist of your posting that its not worthwhile to look at a person's caste or any other irrelevant parameters to determine whether he/she is brave or coward and it vividly reflects a person's sick mentality if he/she wants to relate occupation with a person's caste/race. Joining Nepal army or being in other occupation, to a large extent, is a matter of available opportunity and A PERSON's need.

Generalizing = Racism

STOP RACISM

Don't talk about "Mlechya ko Santan".

Thankot Pari Nepal nadhekne haru ko ke kura.

I tried to touch on the topic how a particular ethnic group is victimized in our history falsifying the facts. Newars have worked in every occupation like any other groups did in Nepal. But, the racist and ill-intended people have created several false rumours and funny phrases to undermine their contribution. There are records of intentional hiding of facts that our country benefited from the Newars. For example, it was Newari Lipi used to present in the UN as the script of Nepal; it was Nepal Sambat, kept alive by Newars, used to present in the UN as the calendar of Nepal; it was the music of Rajmati Kumati Song, the famous Newari Folk Song, used as the national anthem of Nepal for the first time in foreign land when Jung Bahadur had official visit in the Great Britain. These important information were attempted to hide in the history.

The statistics presented in OP reflects the large participation of Newars in Nepal Army, the icon of bravery in our society. But in general, the army profession is considered as a less promoted profession for a newar, and our society does not consider Newars fit for security jobs.

It is easy to make  a good talk with ideal wordings, but it is hard to erase arrogant feeling. Even if you don't care it now, you can not be fair if you need to decide who will be your bodyguard among the two boys - a newar and a gurung. It is likely that you may favor a gurung because you have once heard something against a newar in your childhood chitchat. Perhaps the above data could be eye-opener for those people who do not know about how much newar people are involved in security jobs. You can clearly sense arrogant and racist feeling among a few people who enjoy bashing a particular ethnic group despite saying that all human are equal.

I used to hate newar , but when I came here in us I realize racism is not a good thing, and here I have lot’s of newar friends and they are really good , but still somewhere inside me I don’t like them coz they said Kathmandu is their’s , but Kathmandu was filled with water before Manjushree cut the outlet in chobar,  they also came there from somewhere, and they starts doing khala makhula when two newar met ….god it really annoy me , sorry guys no hard feelings but newar harule afno jaat dekhauchan.

to make the greater nepal there is the division.. one who battles in the war and one who feeds so use this concept and close these thread noone is better off.. so shut off... without feeding there won't be warriors and without the warriors there won't be security.. there is equal responsibility among all of us whether it chettri, bahun, newar or some other caste system... all these are human mentality.... j dimag le sochyo ra sikayo tehi nai huncha..

to make the greater nepal there is the division.. one who battles in the war and one who feeds so use this concept and close these thread noone is better off.. so shut off... without feeding there won't be warriors and without the warriors there won't be security.. there is equal responsibility among all of us whether it chettri, bahun, newar or some other caste system... all these are human mentality.... j dimag le sochyo ra sikayo tehi nai huncha..

The overall perspective in which CT wants to project the findings of this research seems to be prejudiced in the sense that an explanation against some popular belief is being forcefully deduced from the aspect of quantitative participation in the national army. Well, there could be several historical reasons for Newars being considered as relatively less courageous, however, the figures that show participation of Newars in the national army need not necessarily contradict the popular belief. Participation of Newars in most of the state organs is above their population proportion because they have been the primary residents of the capital of the country. So it's natural to find a substantial participation of Newars in the national army. Moreover, the Newar community is a largely heterogeneous community and it's natural to find persons who would not refrain from entering the army for a career. The fact that remains,  however, is to find how smart their performances have been. I can't agree with the Austrian researcher on the particular conclusion drawn. The conclusion would be sound had there been too low Newar recruitments in the army citing their so called relative cowardice. 

Again, courageousness does  not necessarily imply smartness in fighting only or vice versa. Personally, I feel that there is some amount of truth in this particular popular belief, though the degree of the difference with other urban communities seems to be going down rapidly. This kind of lack of enthusiasm in getting involved in making risky moves is common among well-to-do urban people and Newars have been a major constituent of that. Coming from an old rich culture, with relatively better average stills and subsequent economic opportunities,  and a general tendency to remain 'in the middle' or reserved and safe, it must be natural for a major portion of the Newar population to be seen as less enthusiastic for am-bitious and risky competitions in which a major loss in terms of  personal fame or safety or economic prospects may not be ruled out.

That said, things are changing very fast. There have been major changes in the power centers and the way state authorities used to view various ethnic groups. The need is to rise above community lines and look for larger responsibilities of the state, manage well, and subsequently prove things to the contrary.

Lets take things lightly............

KO ho  mampakha? newarlai kathar bhancha?timro gula cheddiu?