Now
before jumping on to the bandwagon I would like to let you know this
thread has nothing to do with king. I am only sheding Janandolan 2 (J2)
in Negative light .


Often
Janandolan II has been presented as a momentous episode of Nepal.  Now
it is increasingly becoming evident that janandolan 2 was not a
glorious episode of Nepal rather a  black episode which has put Nepal
into long term chaos. 


Janandolan 2 started with a
protest. Soon all of Kathmandu grip into a kind of frenzy.  Myriad of
people came to street protesting.  What followed is history. But what
Is supposed to be a momentous occasion of Nepal infact now is turning
out to be a black spot in Nepalese  history . It is now time to analyze
whether Janandolan 2 was a success or a failure.



Put your hand in your chest and ask yourself if it is a peaceful protest


1. Culture of Protest-
For start Janandolan 2 was not peaceful protest as often has been
portrayed. People are seen hurling stones, burning cars, vehicles,
destroying public properties etc.  But it started a very dangerous
precedence.  It also started culture of protest, culture of destroying
public properties. Infact Nepal has never come out of this culture of
protest after janandolan 2.  Literally everybody was seen protesting.
Doctors, Teachers, students, lawyers, you name it and they were in
street.  2-3 years after Janandolan 2,   these Doctors, Teachers,
Students, Lawyers are still protesting all with a different agenda.



Doctors,
Lawyers, Engineers, students, teachers, journalist.all were protesting
then. 2-3 years on they are still protesting in some way or the other



2. Formation of new protesting group-
Several new protesting group have come out. People know a violent
protest may yield even strongest of Nepalse governement .  Protest in
the matter as grave as division of Nepal , separate state and even
separate country is a common place. Commoners are often troubled by
regular strikes and bandas for a demand which can never be fulfilled. 

3. Culture of Impuntiy –

To
a certain degree culture of impunity has also been set by Janandolan 2.
People who break public properties , burn vehicles often go unpunished
in Nepal. During J2 these people were often potrayed as heros . One who
burn tyres, burn vehicles defying police were considered brave and
freedom fighters.  These acts  have really swollen after Janandolan 2. 
 Directly or indirectly J2 has been cause of liberty these protestor
has got.


4.   Culture of fulfilling demand by coercion :

 
 With so much protest going on in Nepal government have no time to look
at the demand of peaceful protestor. If you use Coercion, force,
destroy public property your voice will be heard.




A madhise protestor on top of Bhanubhakta acharya with RAmayan. People
care less about country. People dont even know which is statue of king
and which is bhanubhakta.



5. Lack of respect towards public property

If
something happens in your college, burn public property.  If you want
to fulfil some demand break the window of the car carrying small
children. Pathetic it may sound but the ghost of J2 is haunting us deep
down.



Lack of emotion and lack of respect towards public property


Now
it is time to seriously think whether J2 was a success or an utter
failure. For me if you ask I would say it was a momentary Success but
it has lead Nepal to ultimate and long term doom.

This is the day i have cried for the first time in my life for my country. 

It is not Jana-andolan who made country worse, it just flourish all the impurities from more than 200 years. Ya, for democracy to flourish, it will take time, don't try to go back and don't disrespect the people who came outside for better Nepal. It is not only no-quiro or Raju who are worried about Nepal, thousands of people are trying from their side to make New Nepal. Ya, because of our culture, lack of resources, lack of education, lack of vision, no one is able to guide Nepal. Don't blame others, every one is equally responsible but more the people like us who are educated, who are working for government, who are leaders because, we are always blaming the uneducated YCLs or other group, but we never look ourselves. The doctor never go to villages, engineers never build in villages, burocrats are always currupted, we the people who are educated are flourishing the bad culture, we never respect the law and order, at the same time these Napunsak politicians are either currupted or lay over with these beurocrats and international politics. Regarding king, that is the worst time where no educatin, no information systems, no rights for people and very small group is ruling the country and there was no hope. But we have hope now but the challenges are long ahead.

Timer how long can we go on blaming 200 years. We can't say people didn't had right to study before. They had right to study after Rana left.    If democracy to flourish takes time then why is it getting worse rather than better.  In My view Janandolan 2 has done nepal more harm than good.  


Yeah it has been shown in much more brighter side by the politicians. But reality the darker side far overweighs the brighter side . You are follwoing what have been shown by politicians. I for one waited for 2-3 years , and its reprecussions are very evident now . Its not going to be better . And you yourself is saying educated people are not following rule of law .   But this all started from J2.

Ya, my simple and innocent question here is, who can rule Nepal, King or what? Every one had seen 200 years of dark rule and we are not rich at that time, we are not educated at that time, you can argue me that there was a peace. Definitely, there was peace without food, without education, without human right, and with poverty. We don't have anything but now we have 109 armed groups, we have all the darkness but at the same time, we have a lot chance. What you want now? What is your vision for development of New Nepal, what you want to do? Please elaborate, it is easy to stay in USA and blame everyone or support King who himself is criminal, but thousands of Nepali are worried every second for better Nepal today but because of the people like us (specially who are educated, we are not doing anything, my parents probably doing corruption in government, or probably working as a educated people to earn money for me and my coming generation. So, please respect people, there sacrifice and they dignity. Don't think you are worried about Nepal and rest are laughing.

"Regarding king, that is the worst time where no educatin, no information systems, no rights for people and very small group is ruling the country and there was no hope. But we have hope now but the challenges are long ahead."

Ya, I Raju, I don't want to say myself, I am wise and also I know all the truths what you know, probably, I might be older than you (just my assumption). Ya, you give me some ideas like a child give an idea to his father that what he saw in the movie. Definitely, I know that truth and I have worked in Binauna, (Rapti Pari in Nepal with a bycycle) where No Nepal is there, no government was there, as a social worker and engineer, I worked in Kathmandu, I worked a lot part of Nepal and I know what you are saying, I am not perfect and my little knowlege my be dangerous. Ya, I am saw a dangerous poverty, darkside in education and I ran away from my country even if I am from Kathmandu (where I got education, where I live). Ya, you and me are responsible for this type of culture, I am thinking about University of Kalikot and Kalikot State University like USA. Probably, you might have that kind of feeling, definitely, in the time of Panchayat, there are polices and fudal in Country side where they can do whatever they want, kill, rape people but now it is difficult, because villages are more powerful, (criminal groups are diffirent), ya you can't talk about king or system, now you can talk about either pracanda or girija or king, you won't be dissapered (definitely because of the crime it is difficult, but it is diffirent issue). I never mean leaders are good, they are worst, they are hijadas, they are currpted but they are like you and me, Raju, you can be the leader and every one is writing about you, it is more about our culture, there are 1000s of leaders, king is one of them, but our culture is same, our education level is just improving little bit, nothing in Tarai still, it is more like bihar, so it is you and me, our parents, my son and every one in this time, situation and group.

Implementation of strict rules and laws is very necessary in Nepal at this moment. Politics in the name of student unions and youth force should be completely banned.
         These student unions have made the education sector so bad in Nepal that every educated young person's first priority is to study abroad.
         Democracy has been proved the best system in present day around the world. But people of Nepal behave so wild and uncivilized that sometimes I feel dictatorship will suit for our country.
       

Timer the ony difference between you and me is, you want to live for tomorrow following the pigtail of sap heads and i want to live for today following the righteous one. There is a saying, "we worry what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today." Tell me what is he today? A hooligan, a rioter, a crimina, a thug, a troublemaker? 

Ya, Raju, I want to live today, that is why I left my country for better education for me at this point ( I don't know about tomorrow), I visited Europe, I am still waiting to enjoy a lot but if I can't do anything, I can just try to make people atleast positive, at least have hope for future, at least any lightening you can see, I am not like you saying every thing is dead and we are dead, no we are always alive (ya I have a lot problems in my life and sometimes difficult to sleep) but life goes on, it will never return, lot of rajus, no quiros want Gyanendra back, but it won't happen, but I want another good person coming for better Nepal, I never regreat about Gyanendra, he is dark and always be dark.

raju ko euta kura ma chahi dam cha.



Ahile ko sarkar le k banayo ta.  Tyahi bhako  university ni bigarya
cha..  Tyahi purano bato ni banda garera hairaan cha.  As far as
communication is concerned hasn't the world developed drastically  in
the last 20 years in communication sector. Tyasaile bahudal aaera nepal
ma communication ko development bhako bhannu chahi galat ho .



Mobiles, Cheap tv stations, cable television all have come in last 20
years or so. Even in India it has come about 1990 same as in Nepal.
Normally india ma aako kura nepal ma aai halcha.



Ani jaha samma security ko kura cha. Timer lai euta kura thaha cha ki
chaina. In 1986 one jounalist was killed in Nepal. I recently read in
myrepublica.   It made a lot of  hue and cry during that time. People
can't believe somebody was killed by bullet. It was the first time
somebody was so openly killed with a gun.  People were in disbelief
because bullet were not accessible in Nepal then.  It was very rare. 
Compare that situation to current situation in nepal. And you would
know the security situation.



Maile yo sap bhanera gyane lai lyaunu parcha bhanya hoina. But all I
wanted to say is that Janandolan 2 is a black episode of Nepal.  It has
ruined nepal for a long time to come.

First of all i am not saying everything is dead. And me too, i am trying to make peope ateast positive to differenciate what is right and what is wrong? Now i am happy that you have gradually deveoped hate for the current sap heads. Meanwhile i am taking about "Law and Order." Stay at the boat. I know you are all emotions. Don't jump out of the topic. 

Ya, No quiro, in the time of early civilization people die from falling from "Bhir" in modern civilization probably from motor or from gun, it is defined by civilization. Today every one can get good education and people like you and me can come USA easily but in Panchayat Era very few people get chance see the outer world. Even in developed country people are killed by gun but because of the proper justice, it seems not bad. If there was no Janandolam 2, probably another 15000 people will be killed in the Name of Maoist, King, Army but atleast now there is a small peace. Don't think you haven't done anything within this crisis, within this war, one of your relatives are killed by Maoist or Army or someone here and there, and every one is affacted by the situation of country.

timer jaha samma yo USA ra bidesh jane kura cha.  Tyo bahudal aaera bhako hoina . Its because  world have developed into information age. People have access to all the universities, jobs and oppertunities abroad.  Yo kunai  prachande, girije wa gyane le garda bhako hoina.

Timer, now  i need to know, How old are you exactly?( there is a small peace) 

Afule payeko kura sabai samaya diyeko ani naramro kura chhahi Neta le gareka, Ho Neta daka hun chor hun, tara hamrai samaj ka manchhe hun, tesaile hamro culture sudhrinu parchha, sabaiko incuding Neta and every one. That is my point, at least you mentioned Gyane here, because whole conversiation starts from there, mentioning every one is bad except Gyane, regarding Neta.beurocrats, currupted officials, lawyers, doctores, engineer like me, all the educated people, I don't have to say any bad words insulting myself but the fact is they are either my parents, relatives, my neighbours and sometimes my self, my gridiness, my curelilty and my foolishness.

Raju I came before Jana-Andolan and I was doing my master's at that time but after that I worked one year and now doing PhD but regarding Jana-andolan, I had all my computers open every second and I was waiting news all day night, I feel I was in Nepal and I am also involving for better Nepal, new good system, new life. Any way, every Nepali is frustrated Now at this point and situation.

"Any way, every Nepali is frustrated Now at this point and situation."

Ya, Raju, anyway you are " Jabbar Child", who think only in his way.

Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!!

a tiny peice of history - Nepal opened it door to the outside world during 1950's and we were still living in the Himalayan cradle - content and happy with little to worry about the rest of the world.

and frankly, emmigration gathered momentum during 1990's.