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Fri Jan 28,12:11 AM ET South Asia - AFP

KATHMANDU (AFP) - Nepal has closed two offices in Kathmandu associated with exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, Tibetan and foreign ministry sources said.

The government has closed the office of the Dalai Lama's representative and the Tibetan Refugee Welfare Office, a Tibetan source said.

"Following an official notification of the home ministry, we have shut down all the offices relating to the Tibetan refugees from this week," a senior welfare office staffer told AFP on Friday.

The welfare office looks after more than 20,000 Tibetan refugees who left their homeland after the Dalai Lama fled Tibet in 1959 amid a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

The Chinese embassy has frequently lodged strong protests with the Nepalese government for permitting the Tibetan office to operate in Nepal in the name of the Dalai Lama.

Nepal, which is careful not to antagonise its giant neighbour, recognises Beijing's rule over Tibet.

A senior foreign ministry official said the Tibetan offices had not registered as required under Nepalese law.

The Tibetan Refugee Welfare Office (TRWO) had been helping several hundred destitute Tibetans who fled from Tibet across Himalayan passes to head to the northern Indian hill resort of Dharamsala where the Dalai Lama lives in exile.

After crossing into Nepal, the Tibetans are provided with travel documents by the United Nations (news - web sites) refugee agency (UNHCR) to help them to travel to Dharamsala.

"The closing of the TRWO may be a big problem for the Tibetan refugees fleeing from the roof of the world for their political freedom," a diplomatic source said.

Nepalii:

So. Neo is saying that Tibetans like Hooker as if he does not like. I would be interested to know who does not like hooker. Here goes our typical mentality of opening foul mouth without thinking.

Neo Matrix:

If you can call us Bhote , then who the fuk you are. Bahun or what? Talk about what Tibetans have done to Nepal. First of all tell me what the fuk have you or your caste have done to Nepal.

Tibetans have brought Carpet Industry which employs Hundreds of Thousands of people. It earns over $100 million in foreign exchange. It may not be the best job, but it pays more than ordinary living. It is better to work in rug industry than for those to work in brothels in India.

Tibetan made Nepal a center of Buddhism in the world because of all the famous teachers. Just of pilgrim tours and export of Handicraft items alone are bringing another 100s of millions of dollar. Dont forget our govt uses Buddhism as a begging bowl to ask for more donation. Do you think Hollywood Actors like Richard Gere and Steven Siegal come to Nepal for just touring? No they come because their root Buddhist teachers are all Tibetan and they live in monastries in Nepal. Just for your info, Teachers also ask them to help with local schools and alike.

Yes, Tibetans started rug industry and they made millions. Along the way, many other nepalis also made millions. But they always invested back in the country. They did not act like Madwari who looted the country and went to India.

Look at how Tibetans along with Manange and others have revitalized Swayambhunath. They have spent 10s of crore to preserve and renovate Swayambhunath so that future generations and visitors cna enjoy holy place like Swayambhunath.

Tibetans are opening monastries and enrolling poor people from remote villages giving them opportunities to study the language , culture and dharma since it is very similar. And there are 100s of monastries that have opened up in Kathmandu alone.

Tell me what have you done for the country and you are calling yourself patriotic.

I agree with koolketa,
i am not tibetan myself, im a boring bahun. But i know alot of tibetan people. Many of them happen to be my best friends.
People, Tibetans have really helped nepal alot. They are kind, and have a big heart, and most importantly, they are really intelligent. believe me on that. TIbetans are some of the most intelligent people ive ever seen. They are cool, wild (party alot), and still, they know their responsibilities and have the time to excel in school work. I really respect them.
yes, they have made alota money, but just look at the other side, they emply sooo many people! they help our tourist industry because they have preserved monastries and gumbas and other religious sites.
you guys tell me, if it wasnt for tibetans, then i dont think basketball would be so famous in nepal. thats my view, and i know im right. thanks to their enthusiasm, height and determination, they have made the sport more famous, and you can see them playing bball almost everywhere.
to be honest, id rather be a tibetan than a bahun.
peace out brodas.
and dont u dare insult tibetans, cuz they're my brothers.
take care dudes,
toiletpaper dude.
ps: kool keta, post and tell me wat u think bout my message.

Dear Kool keta, as u have claimed,
1) Tibetan made Nepal a center of Buddhism in the world because of all the famous teachers.

No, all the renowned tibetan teacher live in dharamshala not in nepal, by the way its not tibetan made nepal ctr, of buddhism its lumbini, birth place of Buddha. So u think there was no presence of buddhism in nepal untill tibetans take refuge in nepal? thats bogus.

2)Just of pilgrim tours and export of Handicraft items alone are bringing another 100s of millions of dollar.
Tours yeah well all the shrine and trekking places are in nepal. buddhas' birth place in nepal than where they gonna go or its tibetan ppl who change buddhas' birthplace from tibet to nepal and so international community start to flock in nepal. if u think so than buddy u are hallucinating.BTW handicraft do not we in himalayan belt countries share alomst all same culture, arts and crafts.
3)Dont forget our govt uses Buddhism as a begging bowl to ask for more donation.
hey i have never known that to my knowlede till now nepal have been able to sustain by the levy paid but UK and India by means fo using our mercinary soldiers. that is fact no doubt about it.
4)Do you think Hollywood Actors like Richard Gere and Steven Siegal come to Nepal for just touring? No they come because their root Buddhist teachers are all Tibetan and they live in monastries in Nepal. Just for your info, Teachers also ask them to help with local schools and alike.
Well i dunno about Steven Siegal but i do know about Richard Gere, i dunno what he have done for nepal but indeed he had harm a nepal a lot. he is one of those ppl who always lobbies against nepal here in capitol hill. He always asks US gov to punish nepal due to his tibetan interest.last and final what nepal can do for ya ? when nepal itself is not able to look after its own ppl than what she can do for refugees. we can only accept u guys with open arms and smile on our face. When India a country, which have given place for his holiness Dalai Lama.have already accepted Tibet as a part of china what is nepal?
yeah i do agree with u regarding they are better than Madwari of nepal. now lets talk about Neo in every society there will be some one neonazis hoina ta? maybe in tibetan communities too. there are also some tibetan who use nepal as launching pad suitable for them hoina ta? lets forget tibet nepal issue cuz u guys are also living in nepal as we. We love u guys as our bro and sis.
BTW i am also Magolian as u

if you insult tibetans one more time, im gonna piss all over you.
im not a tibetan, but i wish i was one.
so, u fukkers, STOP INSULTING TIBETANS!!!

Interesting turn this thread has taken (gosh, I sound like Yoda)...well, what the heck, let me ramble...

I don't think anybody can deny that Tibetans (refugees, immigrants and Nepali citizens), along with Tamangs, Gurungs, Thakalis, Sherpas, Newars, etc. have contributed to Nepal's economy in a major way with carpet industry.

Also, I think to some extent, because of Tibetan Buddhism, Nepal has become a place to go to. I know for certain that lot of high lamas, the rimponches, do spend considerable time in various places in Nepal (Boudha, Mustang, Manang, Pharping, Rhisingo, etc.) as well as other places in India like Sikkim, Darjeeling, Bhutan (hehehehe), and Dharmasala. So, Nepal has become one of the major centers of Tibetan Buddhist philosophy, which in turn, pulls in lot of tourists like Richard Gere, et al.

BTW, from what little I know of Richard Gere, I don't think he has ever spoken against Nepal. China, yes, but not Nepal. He did raise the issue to the congress when Tibetan refugees were being arrested and handed over to Chinese authorities. So did Diane Feinstein and many other senators. But I don't think they were overtly or covertly against Nepal.

As far as the Mongolians go, Nepalis (particularly those in Kathmandu) do have tendency to lump them as Bhotes, with subtle tone of disdain, sometimes obvious even here in Sajha. A rana-magar friend of mine used to hate it when his friend, a rana-chetry, used to call him bhote. Not that bhote, in a word itself, is derogatory, but the implication that comes with it - that by sayng bhote yo are Tibetan, thus not Nepali, thus someone who is less civilised, boka bhanda ganaune - is what my Mongolian friends seem to dislike the most.

riten bro, u dunno what goes in Capitol hill, he have tried a lot but haven't succeded till date. I know all this cuz my boss, she is drink partner of one of the prominent Dem. Senator in US senate. BTW senator is also a female no that scandlious thing.

Swaati thapa
both of us seem to be near the Capitol Hill yet, I know so little although I scour the papers for any hint or mention of Nepal, Nepalese and yes Richard Gere. Obviously your boss is only human as she drinks and subject to a little exaggeration?? perhaps??

Also, I am curious...which democratic senator are you referring to? I am curious as there is only one lady with some clout - lol.

Riten, good points and yes I am TOTALLY disgusted by the way some Nepalese refer to us as BHOTEs. Bhotes are from Bhot just as Nepalese are from Nepal and the word Nepalese should NOT be synonymous to any derogatory comment NOR SHOULD THE WORD BHOTE.

both of us seem to be near the Capitol Hill yet, I know so little although I scour the papers for any hint or mention of Nepal, Nepalese and yes Richard Gere. Obviously your boss is only human as she drinks and subject to a little exaggeration?? perhaps

Darling its not perhaps or there is no uts and buts here. One shouldn't have to go in hill and thump his leg to put his points. He lobbies through various senators from us. BTW if u dunno he is bigtime spender for GOP. The only good thing u can say about him is he doesn't cares whom he gives his $$$ but for senators who roots for tibetan causes. His remarks is and have been always about treatment of Tibetan ppl and cause. He is very unhappy about the situation of Tibetan ppl in nepal too, which is genuine. As myself being a daughter of immigrant i understand what it is and how it is? but one have to think when nepal herself is not able to look after its own ppl how she can better accomodate her guests.
As for ur remark about my bosses drinking habit and exaggeration plz do not go there. I know her more than u. She is not one of those who climb the success by sychophancy or buttering whatever u say. She deserves it and she have come through lot of advesity. She is known for her either my way or highway. Do u think how long those ppl can survive ? nada not even a minute but still she is there why cuz she must be something rite thats why she is still working rite. PPl above her do not like her but still prefer her when works needs to be done .

Also, I am curious...which democratic senator are you referring to? I am curious as there is only one lady with some clout - lol

well what to say i know whom u are talking about? but do u think she is the only one who is female senator in US senate.
regarding Bhote i do know its considered as a dragotary word but still wonder why all the writers still use word Bhote whenever they have to write a book about ppls of Nepal.

swaati: you know so much - you really do!!! that just went wayyyy over my head!

"bhote" is NOT a (dragotary ) word. i've capitalized the word NOT,
to signify how strongly i feel about it, bcoz i rule.
actually gyane rules..
but that's besides the point.:)
it's like saying chinese is (dgareteriey)
wtf
i call my girl bhotini, should she be offended ?
well, she isn't, because i say it with a background of respect and understanding of
her culture and mindset.
what is ( drefagstggty) is saying that they are not nepalese, and have contributed nothing to the makeup of u and me, and what we are as people today.
and suna, sunana,
i think her boss is republican...because her posts are dangerously of the
" let them eat cake type"
it's very (drtashjgjty)

Aaabey eedhar dekho to ! Phir tum log kaheytey ho Hum(Indialog) tumharey politics or social mamala mey khatpat karteyhaii. Magar eeehdar deekho to saachiii baat najar aata hai ki tum loog milkey nahii beyth saktey ho !!

Nepal- Zone of peace ? Aaarey kahum saa zone key baaat kartey ho tuum log ? Boooohahaha !!

well kdee my boss is NOT Republican, word. i've capitalized the word NOT cuz is NOT. I haven't said that tibetans have contributed for Nepal, i know and understand their role in nepali economy. but saying that its just cuz of Tibetans Nepal have flourished as a Buddhist pilgrimage is balony. Yeah it did have help Nepal but its not the only reasong rite. Here the gentleman is trying to imply that so i just beg to differ from him. It seems u are some rehortic when you beg to differ pls state ur opinions not ur remarks about ppls plotical affiliation. BTW my granpa have taught me one being a minority and the same time being a Red it cannot co-exist and i heartly believe on him.
BTW u can call ur gal bhoteni, chimsi whatever u like its totally in between u and ur gal. I just said Bhote is dragotary cuz some of my friends from nepal have said that so i was just putting my thoughts. u made ur point thats fine nice to hear that. ok the word bhote is not dragotary its nice to know.
saying chinese is not dragotary but saying rail road , yellow or chinks is dragotory.
also being mangloid feature i have bear that through out my highschool.

i must have misjudged u and termed your posts ( dragotory ) too quick then.
i'll offer you an olive, since i'm fresh out of branches.
i just felt that you use the terms us and them too loosely. you , also state comments like
" the tibetans are better than mardwaris", when there never really was a popularity competition between them. and furthermore, why do you get to decide that?.

you are lucky to live in a country that was founded on the principles of people being
the same, irrespective of caste, colour and creed, a nation that (initially) welcomed immigrants and refugees.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

and then you sit on your high horse and say we should turn our back to the bhutanese
refugees. i dunno, it just smacked of hypocrisy to me.
ps.my bhotini girl says hi :)
she is also being mangloid feature
.

and then you sit on your high horse and say we should turn our back to the bhutanese
refugees. i dunno, it just smacked of hypocrisy to me

yeah it seems hypocracy to u. What i was trying to say was we have to deal it diplomatically. We should beat bhutanese and south block beaurocrates regarding restablishments of those displaced ppl. We are beaten handsomely on that field by those ppls. If we tend to get beaten up no wonder everywhere in a world nepali ppl lives they will be forced to leave those places cus they will know nepali goverment cannot do rats ass regarding diplomacy. Is inutiating diplomatic talks with prepared homework is turning back on nepali origing Bhutanese ppl than let me know. In between what we can do for those refugees in Jhapa is provide them good health care, education for their kids jobs what else can we do more thant that. Do u want to deforest and start alloting them lands yeah we can do that but only when all the hopes are gone. We haven't done our work properly and without even trying why to give up thats what i mean.
BTW mark my word ppl from nothern states like MIZORAM, NAGALAND, Arunanchal and Meghalaya will also come to nepal as displaced from those places. Sikkim and Darjeeling are already seeing that. Why this is happening cuz ppl in south block know we cannot compete iin beaurocracy. Do u know u can find Nepali ppl from Malaysian peninsula to the island of jamaica and guyana. What if those ppl are thrown from there seeing what an incompetent nation nepal is ? Indians were evicted from Ethiopia, Kenya and Yuganda see how the deal with those ppl. They were able to re-establsih those ppl in those countries back again if not get some kinda financial copnensations from those countries. Indians mostly living in Canada and UK are from mostly those African states. How do u think they were able to get stay in those countries cuz its south blocks clever and well timed diplomacy. Are we able to do that no we are not. Here thats what i am trying to say why not we strengthen our foreign service and give a try.
P.S. it seems u didn't read all of my article and just boiled up b4 reading all of it. Pls try to read all and in addition try to understand what a writer is saying. Do not jump on conlusion without giving a thought.

Sikkim and Darjeeling are already seeing that.

here i mean that these two places are seeing migration in high number of nepali origin from mentioned other states to theirs.

Swaati
I may not know as much about the capitol hill as you do but please rest assured that they will NOT be crowding Nepal. Actually, Nepal does have any policies to harbor refugees NOR is in a position to do so.

India CANNOT afford to displace 500,000 + Nepalese

Let me ask you this: why are you insisting this will happen??

India won't do as Bhutan has done. But it will do being behind the curtain player. Regarding Sikkima and Darjeeling, they are able to enjoy liberty as much as other Indians but have u seen recent turn out in other northern states. Ppl from this states are systematically displaced by any means with the help of locals. PPl from this nothern states are looing for shelter in Darjeeling and Sikkim. No wonder one day this places will also get crowded rite. they are doing this cuz they have learned a lesson from Darj and Sikkim that not to let nepali ppl to group and voice for their rights and treat as equal. Do u think this displace ppl wanna live in any other places than where they were displaced from? If they were really looking for jobs like most of young nepali peasents do than they would have gone to calcutta or work in some timber jobs isn't it? just like as u have said that earlier in another post that u can find a lots of nepali working as chaukidaar in dekhi. To get re-establish just like Bhutanese ppls demand they will look for nepals help even nepal itself is not able to look after its own ppl.
Finally ,
India CANNOT afford to displace 500,000 + Nepalese

its truth but u have to understand that they do not want nepali origin in this states to grp and ask for rights as u guys have done in darjeeling and sikkim. Its like agulhto le poleko kukur bijuli dekhi tarsincha.
BTW i am gonna find a report about whats happening with nepali origin ppl in nothern states of india other than ur darjeeling and sikkim. I did have that report but misplaced somewhere. i will paste it here as soon as i find that.

Swaati Bro:

Let me introduce you Tib Buddhism 101. Dharmsala is a seat for only Dalai Lama which belongs to Gyeluk or Yellow Sect and they rule govt. Then there are Nyingmapa, Kagyu and Sakya. Most of the teachers live either in Nepal or other parts of India. Now most of the Kagyu and Nyingma teachers are in Nepal as most of the mountain region people like Sherpa, Manages and others belong to these 2 group. So people like Gere and Siegel comes there.

There are Buddhist shrines and stupas in Nepal. But until Tibetans showed up in Nepal, not many people made any relevancy of those holy sites. It happened only after Tibetan monks and Rimpoches started opening monastries in 60s, 70s, 80s and started explaining followers the importance of these sites. Later they opened centers in the West as an extension and whatever they got as donation they brought it back to build more Gumba. I believe there are over 300 centers in US alone run by Tibetan monks. I am sure you have noticed monastries popping up in KTM everywhere. I am glad they are doing that since all the money they earned overseas are brought back to Nepal.

And talking about Buddhas birth place, when was the last time govt seriously tried to improve it other than the Lumbini Mega Project. Alll the govt has done is put a plan in big signboard outside the project area in Lumbini. Except for few outsiders, Tibetans are the one building monastries in Lumbini. If you go to any Tibetan monastries, you will find 60-80 percent of the monks as either Sherpa, Tamang, gurung, manage, etc. I believe it is a good learning opportunities for them. Those becoming monks are usually from poor family anyway. For them, this is one of a way to revive culture, learn dharma and bring positive change in a society.

Swaati Bro. Even rug industry in Nepal is doing very poorly because of our typical attitude. As a Nepali, we always tend to think of shrot term. Instead of making quality rugs, we tend to cut each others price and the result is what we have now.

All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title. 'Cause they worked hard for it and along the way many benefitted from that. What we need in our society are the good people who cares about each other and help each other. it does not matter whether you are from different colors, gender or sex. I think Tibetans are that kind of people. Wouldn't you rather have good and smart employees if you are running your own company.

I think they deserve to be treated respectfully. It is long overdue.

Swaati Bro:

Let me introduce you Tib Buddhism 101. Dharmsala is a seat for only Dalai Lama which belongs to Gyeluk or Yellow Sect and they rule govt. Then there are Nyingmapa, Kagyu and Sakya. Most of the teachers live either in Nepal or other parts of India. Now most of the Kagyu and Nyingma teachers are in Nepal as most of the mountain region people like Sherpa, Manages and others belong to these 2 group. So people like Gere and Siegel comes there.

There are Buddhist shrines and stupas in Nepal. But until Tibetans showed up in Nepal, not many people made any relevancy of those holy sites. It happened only after Tibetan monks and Rimpoches started opening monastries in 60s, 70s, 80s and started explaining followers the importance of these sites. Later they opened centers in the West as an extension and whatever they got as donation they brought it back to build more Gumba. I believe there are over 300 centers in US alone run by Tibetan monks. I am sure you have noticed monastries popping up in KTM everywhere. I am glad they are doing that since all the money they earned overseas are brought back to Nepal.

And talking about Buddhas birth place, when was the last time govt seriously tried to improve it other than the Lumbini Mega Project. Alll the govt has done is put a plan in big signboard outside the project area in Lumbini. Except for few outsiders, Tibetans are the one building monastries in Lumbini. If you go to any Tibetan monastries, you will find 60-80 percent of the monks as either Sherpa, Tamang, gurung, manage, etc. I believe it is a good learning opportunities for them. Those becoming monks are usually from poor family anyway. For them, this is one of a way to revive culture, learn dharma and bring positive change in a society.

Swaati Bro. Even rug industry in Nepal is doing very poorly because of our typical attitude. As a Nepali, we always tend to think of shrot term. Instead of making quality rugs, we tend to cut each others price and the result is what we have now.

All I am saying is Tibetans have not caused us any problems. All they have done is good thing and something they have made us proud. If they became the richest refugee group in the world, then they deserve the title. 'Cause they worked hard for it and along the way many benefitted from that. What we need in our society are the good people who cares about each other and help each other. it does not matter whether you are from different colors, gender or sex. I think Tibetans are that kind of people. Wouldn't you rather have good and smart employees if you are running your own company.

I think they deserve to be treated respectfully. It is long overdue.