Now Its King JIgme Wangchuk of Bhutan to speak about the affairs of Nepal.

Is this a shrewd diplomatic comment or a wicked attempt to bully us???
Bhutan king worries over Maoist threat in Nepal

Posted online: Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 0000 hours IST




NEW DELHI, JAN 28: Warning there was ?real threat? of the Maoist problem in Nepal becoming more serious, Bhutan king Jigme Singye Wangchuk on Friday said this could have ?negative implications? for both India and his country and hoped some initiatives would be taken soon to resolve it.



?We sincerely hope that something positive will come out soon and some initiatives will be taken by the political parties in Nepal to resolve the Maoist problem,? the king, who returns home on Saturday at the end of the six-day state visit, told a select group of reporters here.

Wangchuk, who was the chief guest at the Republic day celebrations, was non-committal when asked whether he favoured Nepal taking a cue from the successful Bhutan-type military action to flush out Indian insurgents from his country.

?Each country has a different kind of problem, a different situation. The political parties and people of Nepal have to together solve their own problems in the best possible way,? he said.

Observing that the situation in Nepal was deteriorating, he said ?today the Maoists have total control more or less of the whole country?.

The visiting king frankly responded to a range of questions on Bhutan?s relations with India, China and the upcoming saarc summit in Dhaka.

Asked about reports that China would like to be a special invitee to the Saarc summit,he said ?this is a new issue that has come up...No decision has been taken by any of the Saarc countries? and added ?I don?t think this will be discussed in this summit?. ?There is real threat of Maoist situation becoming much more serious than it is today. If this happens, it will have negative implications for both India and Bhutan becuse we share common borders,? Wanghcuk said.

About the Army action to flush out Ulfa, National Democratic Front of Bodoland and KLO insurgents groups which were operating in Bhutan, he said ?there are no militant camps in any part of Bhutan now?.

New user

new user,

I am planning on joining Sheetal Niwas in a year or two.

"Same In case of Maoist insurgency as well. Obviously it may not want to see the insurgency surge up to uncontrollabe height. but wickedly, India doesn't want to see the crisis resolved either way. It wants to keep it in balance so that it can use the crisis to the best of it's interest in the future. So that it can bargain every time..

....

India is waiting for a big oppurtunity to interfere on Nepal in a much larger scale. The maosit problem doesn't bother South Block at all. This is something that has helped them to keep Nepal in check and balance..."

Isn't there a big oppurtunity for India already to interfare in Nepal? :-)

Same In case of Maoist insurgency as well. Obviously it may not want to see the insurgency surge up to uncontrollabe height. but wickedly, India doesn't want to see the crisis resolved either way. It wants to keep it in balance so that it can use the crisis to the best of it's interest in the future. So that it can bargain every time...

If Jigme's remarks are to be seen as South Block's position on Nepal, then India has already started thinking that the Maoist problem has surged up to uncontrollable height. "Warning there was ?real threat? of the Maoist problem in Nepal becoming more serious" and " today the Maoists have total control more or less of the whole country?. " Atleast that's what I could infer from these two sentences.

hahah newuser jyu,

K garne, I have my own "unique views" on stuff. And my rasshifaal for this week says:

Don?t hesitate to express your
unique point of view.You hear a
different drummer. Share more
of your unique point of view.
Right now you have a receptive audience. Make
Sunday calls to loved ones.
Tonight:Be willing to try a new restaurant.
This Week:Others look to you for answers from
Tuesday on.

:-)

I hope I did not offend you with my answer on Sheetal Niwas. If I did, I truly regret that. It was not intended.

Yes,
it has already interfared. It's India which has stopped the King from sacking Deuba. See once King visits to India and they put their priorities before him and get a positive nod, a new government will come up. For sometime, India's role from behind will lead to some changes in government. But after the bloody war really takes the full swing, the interferance will be largely visible.

No no I am not offended at all. why should I? Its nice to hear something from studious guys like you. And yeh, best of luck for your aspirations to join Shital Niwas. It needs educated people like you.

Do you believe in Rashifal? But I don't.

But after the bloody war really takes the full swing, the interferance will be largely visible.

I don't think India will want the war to take it's full swing. India as far as I can sense, is planning on a joint military operation. If it's a full blown war,then the casualties will be higher, and I don't think India wants that. From the Indian point of view, this is the right time..

Thanks for you wishes.. I only believe in rasshifaal when it says good things about me.:-)

and thanks for wishing me luck on Sheetal Niwas. Its my life's aim. :-)
(and also to clear things up, I am anything but studious.)

thank you ISO Bro. for ur answers.

as for newuser bro i am not trying to degrade ur opinion as u have said
I don't think this is the truest of assesement on the officers of Shital Niwas. Lok Sewa's question papers may not be appropriate but the selection procedure in the MOFA is still regarded as the most fair of all in Nepal's bureaucracy. From whatever is available, they select the best of people possible by means of written examination. And only talented people make way to the most attractive place available in the government. (Attractive, in a sense that they can get posting in foreign countries at least in some time of their career and a earn a good living).They are genuinely talented people and have the ability to perform nicely if provided with a conducive working environment.The problem lies in the politicization of bueaucracy. from the very day of their posting, they are forced to act according to the interest of mananiya mantri. And hence they cannot hone their skills and talent to be good diplomat.
Ok lets just think ppl in MOFA are best of available ppl. As u have said only talented ppl makes way and get posting in foreign places. Everybody knows what goes in Nepal embassy in anypart of world. What a lousy work they do? Nepal embassy in US one of the lousy place to be. Forget about Embassy in Brussels and Consulate in Hongkong they have made those places like mini nepal, just like some offices of nepal. Need ching ching $$$$ to have to work done there.
As for u saying perform nicely if provided with conductive environment. Who have to creategood working environment? goverment, well u are the part part of goverment hoina ra? What u have to do is best of u can do in minimal fascilities . Only those ppl success who can work out with efficiency. Here efficeincy means to work against all the odds making best from mininmal things, being creative. And since when a gov. officials have to succumb to Mantri. AS my uncle( he is my sis in laws phupa, he is high beaurocratic official in Indian embassy in DC) say when do he( IFS=indian foreign service) have to succumb over some Mantris yap yap. They come and go but we are here for straigh 40 yrs. Let them make yapping but its us who observe and discuss matter for years. Its us who take part in talks not that blxxxy mantri. He is just posted kid and thats what he should be if he cannot feel the pulse of int. beaurocracy. why can't our officials from MOFA think that way and work.

I believe that the Bhutanese refugees problem is going to be a long one. The reasons being mainly because the Bhutani King knows as long as he keeps his masters "india" happy by not contradicting and saying "Yes" all the time, he can get by anything even it has cost thousands of people very dearly - both emotionally and every-thing-lly.

We have seen all the efforts so far have failed - nationally or internationally and there is still no hope that these unfortunate people will ever gonna get what they are truly entitled to - a nation they could call home, and a life of freedom.

It is also pity that Nepal cannot provide them with any sort of permanancy. They have been there for years now and should have the options to settle down in Nepal as permanent residents and so. After all they are Nepalese with same religion and traditions.

Swati, well yes. you are right the government and the mantri change, but the bureaucracy do not change for years. I did not meant that MOFA officials are very decent and capable but we cannot imply them as being incompetent just because they were recruited by Lok Sewa procedure.
They can work to their capaboility if they really intend to do so.However the problem is, if the MOFA officials do not dance to the tune of corrupted Mantri, they are subdued . promotion is restricted, and their career falls in Jeopardy.As for the people posted in foreign missions(consulates and embassies), assume they are handpicked by politicians or ambassadors and they are not necessarily the people who joined MOFA through Lok Sewa procedure.
Indian government, Indian bureaucrats and Indian citizens are all well ahead of us in every aspects. We cannot be complacent for ourselves , I mean you and me , by complaining the bureaucracy and government only? where is our contribution??

kaloketa says , It is also pity that Nepal cannot provide them with any sort of permanancy. They have been there for years now and should have the options to settle down in Nepal as permanent residents and so. After all they are Nepalese with same religion and traditions.
No, we shouldn't do that. Yeah they are also Nepali origin but we shouldn't settle them in nepal. Yes what we have to do is raise the living standard of refugee camps like providing education, good sanitation etc. I may seem harsh by saying this but am saying being real and practical. the reason.

It will bring another flow of nepali refugees. AS we all know how nepali are treated in state of India. There are millions of ppl live in nothern states of India. Check the reality how they are discriminated by state goverment by approval of fed. gov of india. like nepali ppl in eastern states were living there b4 this Biharis, Beangali settle there still they lack political or any civic rights in that state. Just go to Darjeeling and Sikkim, see whats happening there. They already have unemployemtn rate high now a new flock of nepali ppl from eastern states like Meghalaya, Mizoram and nagaland and Assam are flocking there. PPl from thise states do not have citizenship and are considerd outsiders but bengali and bihari are not. What a joke? this states where not even part of Bharat desh of ancient times. Once we do this its natural we will see another flock of refugees. So we should straighten our countrys' chaotic situation and kammas kasera diplomatic resulotion ma laagnu parcha or else we will keep on bullied by country like Bhutan. What if tomorrow Bangladesh does that cuz there is also Nepali ppl if not in thousands but they have nepali pol. of atleast 1500-2500 families.
What we gonna do at that time?

First of all we gotta be strong. No body cares about anybody. Its all about power and money. Thats simply whats happening. The problem is internal. There is no strong framework.

As a matter of fact the Bhutanese refugees are of Nepalese origin. They were involved in revoultion so they got kicked out. Just imagine Indians trying to revolvt in Nepal. Yo all got my ponit rt.

We can play presuure tactic cause no power no money. Need a social reform first to deal with external problems.

JUst look at the discussion in this forum. Nepalese are so divided. The tone of language in this forum shows our divison. SDo need get over this shit.

king of bhutan is nothing but an india puppet.he doing what his masters in delhi taught him. india ordered him to start the ethic claensing in bhutan..so we have the refugee problem and now he is talking about the maoists problem. bhutan is just waiting to be another sikkim..

What if tomorrow Bangladesh does that cuz there is also Nepali ppl if not in thousands but they have nepali pol. of atleast 1500-2500 families.
What we gonna do at that time?



turn our backs i guess, like u recommend, we do with the current problem.
and i reckon, we take back the money we gave to the tshuu..tchoo... big wave victims. they don't even look like us, let alone speaketh our language.
"shakes head"

kdee if u r post id directed to me then u did not get my point. All we do is talk there is no actions. Here I just wanted to point out the ethinic divison among us Nepalese. We need to get over it first.

Highfly:

I did not realize those Bhutanese refugees were involved in revolution in Bhutan. If what you are saying is correct, then I dont know what to say. Our focking revolution brought us nothing positive to look forward to. May be King Jig (Hustler)v is focking smart and knows not to repeat the same thing happen.

King jigme and king gyane must shake hands or save their ass if India and China continue meddling over the only hindu and Buddhist kingdoms in the region. Nepal and Bhutan is 2 tiny kingdoms between the two giant republics and democrats . The survival of both the kingdoms depends upon the harmony among different ethnic minorities living in here. Otherwise, the only other likely scenario is a collapse of both the nations. If Nepal and Bhutan do not solve this refugee and maoist problem soon, the kingdoms will collapse
It is apparent that the existence of these 2 underdeveloped kingdoms depends upon the harmony among people living here irrespective of their political ideologies and religious belief. However, the people in the 2 nations are so selfish and narrowminded they will keep fighting for their identity and eventually it will lead to the collapse of the nations. Bhutan has more chances of survival as a kingdom due to the ethnic harmony there. Nepal is more at risk because of its ethnic and cultural diversity. Nepal is also prone to attack by Muslim nations due to its only hindu Kingdom status and potential intervention by the US or India on the basis of maoists insurgence. The future is dangerous.

Kalebhut,

U r on the same line. Lets do something. Have any idea. R u all ready to work together or u all gonna chicken out. There are so many Nepalese associations. Why do not raise their voices for these?? Start up something.

Or is it we all are chicken shits??

rather than criticize bhutan, its peoples and king most of the
time, we may do well to take off our refugee blinkers once in a
while and strive to see bhutan for what it is and learn from them
as well.

no matter the legendary diplomatic skills of bhek b thapa,
narendra vikram shah and the like, they were painted in a tight
corner, 'castrated' and 'rendered impotent' by their bhutanese
counterparts in the joint talks. King Jigme has spoken out.
internationalising the issue has not stopped donors from pouring
money into bhutan, still the last Himalayan shangrila, ranking 45
(against nepal's 85th position) among 145 countries in the
environmental sustainability index report. a land of the thunder
dragon!

i feel that most nepalis, nepali leaders and nepali media have not
been able to understand the bhutanese mind and resolve, and this
is where the former have repeatedly blundered. if they asked
themselves: what makes them tick, why they are intensely
nationalistic, why they pursue GNH, why its environment strategy
is called 'middle path', why they pursue restrictive tourism, why
they have banned tobacco sale, why they pursue 'cautious
development' while everyone else is liberalizing blindly, why they
are suspicious of outsiders, why they make strategic investments
in education, why they enjoy such close relations with India, why
they do not allow christian missionaries to practice in Bhutan,
why their civil servants are among the brightest and the most
efficient in all of South Asia, why there are not many embassies,
consulates, UN agencies and I/NGOs in Bhutan, why Bhutan is the
way it is, why the Bhutanese king and prince actually went to
'flush out' the Indian insurgents from the Bhutanese soil (when was the
last time our king and prince actually went to the battlefied to fight the
Maoists and raise the morale of RNA personnel as some one put it in
Nation Weekly?), then some pattern begins to emerge. I concede there is
logic and rationale to the pattern.

my point is: unless the nepali leaders learn to read this
intricate and mysterious pattern on the Bhutanese fabric (so to put
it), it is unlikely they will succeed much in their diplomacy with India
and Bhutan (or other countries) on the refugee front. and, moreover,
it is unlikely they will noticepattern, let alone make sense of it, as long
as they have the refugee blinkers on.