"Talking to media persons in Dhangadhi today, Prachanda said that the beating up of a businessman by Maoist cadres had been blown out of proportions." He also slammed one who runs hotel business by saying hoteliers are. "feudalistic and disgraceful. He also alleged business enterprenuers as royalist who are responsible for current shutdown of business.

Did he mean beating of a businessman, extortion is very normal and it should not be taken seriously.

हुँदा हुँदा अस्ती सदनमा के पो हो गनाएको हो कुन्नी? प्रचन्डले "यो ग्यानेन्द्र को पाद् हो" भनेर दाबि गरेकाछन्

Saroj,

sorry, couldn't agree w u. there is no way to validate maoist extortion. Also, the maoist are not the only to blame for this malpractice. This is not the first time maoist attacked a common citizen, neither their first forceful extortion. This is just the first time it reached to boiling point (if I refer to aashu) seen in the streets of Kathmandu.

Further, all elites like Hari can claim themselve to be a common citizen but the priority and facilities they consume is never guranteed for a common citizen unless there is robust and functioning system set up in the country. And note that, for good or bad reason, to bring the voice against violent extortion into the boiling point, such elite common citizen must be a victim - a hard fact of nepal. Doesn't this make us shameful while talking about the concerns of a common citizen?

What is seen now is just the effect of recent past that is where the root cause lies. If you want to forget that root cause that I am referring by recalling how these greedy business community supported maoist in one way or another, under the name of threat/security or under the name of smooth business, then you are not truly standing against the unlawful extortion, be it maoist or any other forces.

What has prevented these businessmen to ban unlawful bribe and donation or bring them into a transparent system? But they never want to do so. why? Who boosted the morale of begging maoists in the past? We must not forget that unless we don't set up a system to watch all kind of cash-flows through legal and illegal channels, we won't be able to control such forceful extortion. No need to mention here, the business community is the largest resistance in the country to set up such system. For the time being maoist are riding over it, and business community is in the mission of winning public sympathy.

Yes, public support against maoist extortion is great now (for which I feel happy) because they have hope to get rid of extortion if they speak loud together with business community, Otherwise common citizen were crying against such extortion since long time ago, which was never heard in the past by concerned authorities as seriously as it is being heard now.

chanaa_tarkaari ,Good analytical thought.

Industrialist did right thing by showing they can also challenge Politicians and Chor Mao. Prachande is not serious about needs of business. He is there just to milk as much as they can before they go to jungle again.

I doubt if they are serious about joining civil society. If so, they would learn to behave otherwise. From parliament to Campsite to street, they think they can rule with the guns. But they are wrong. Industrial strike should continue indefinitely unless politicians and Mao change their behaviours.

You said
"And note that, for good or bad reason, to bring the voice against violent extortion into the boiling point, such elite common citizen must be a victim - a hard fact of nepal. Doesn't this make us shameful while talking about the concerns of a common citizen? "

Common citizens are supposed to be protected by the government but we haven't seen that in the past and currently we are actually seeing the maoist who are part of the government extorting them. That is why a bigger and influencial group needs to take some initiative and it is good that the businessmen group are taking that initiative now - in opposition to wreckless endangerment of any budding democratic process by maoist brutality. Instead of shame, you have to be proud that at least finally someone is defying and pointing fingers at the maoist atrocities.

In the past businessmen may have bribed officials to get things done, but it's more because of the failure of the government to create a good system.

People should start reject these terrorist SPAmers. These SPAmers are more terrorist than maoist because they are protecting these maoist looters.

Why His Terrorist’s Government of Nepal is silent?

Why His Terrorist’s Government of Nepal makes laws with gun carriers?

Is there other country where laws are written by gun in 21th century?

Why it puts this maoist terrorist group above the law?

Thukka Terrorist’s Government and terrorists.!!!!

OK, in the same topic :::

<<<"That is why a bigger and influencial group needs to take some initiative ">>>
The so called business leaders are not bigger group but a bunch of influential opportunists. They are influencial in their vested interest but not in doing any good for broader public benefit (visit- http://www.mysansar.com/?p=491).

<<<"the businessmen group are taking that initiative now - in opposition to wreckless endangerment of any budding democratic process by maoist brutality.">>>
Untrue. The business group are aggressive in street protest to wash their names out from some black lists and other financial liabilities. They do have long record of favoring non-democratic process but they want to evaporate their wrong doings, which is disgraceful. Recall that the maoist are not the only non-democratic and brutal force in the country.

<<<"Instead of shame, you have to be proud that at least finally someone is defying and pointing fingers at the maoist atrocities.">>>
The shame is in talking about a common citizen only after an elite gets beaten up. The shame is in thinking that defying and pointing fingers at maoist atrocities has just begun despite witnessing so many episodes of public resistance against maoist atrocities. The women of Dailekh, the farmers of rautahat, the youths of Lahan, are few to name here who dared to fight barehand with gunned maoist goons. Those self-motivated people were truly for the basic right of a common citizen and used to have morale of much higher degree than these business leaders but still they failed to earn attention from all anti-maoists. That is the point I am referring where you can NOT be proud.

I agree, the government is prime responsible to protect a common citizen, which they didn't, and there you can NOT be proud either.

Being aware of malicious intention of business leaders, and being aware that these leaders could end up their protests at any point once their vested interests would be fulfilled (no matter there would or wouldn't be less atrocities against common people in the coming days); I keep supporting these business leaders at this period of time and will keep supporting them until they keep speaking for peace and progress along with the broader public centiment. Their future move will decide how much honest are these business leaders for the cause of a common citizen in the coming days. My gut-feeling says, these business tycoons will soon forget all maoist atrocities once they get a good chat and dinner with leaders, which is to confirm that these tycoons will not be touched by low-class cadres but be dealt directly at higher ranks. On the other hand, all these public who are now in street following them will continue to face maoist atrocities in one way or another. I wish time will prove me wrong.

To mind you people are not against Maoist but against their character that they r showing.
Business person are not to think for fellow public, it is the work of leaders and Government.
Business person should think of country's economy and the trade opportunities, set innovative trends and create market.
The country's economy lies on the shoulder of these business person and industrialists.
Every where there r good and bad people, but we have to analyse what is right and what is wrong.
Before Maoist, business person used to feed Congress, UML and other parties. This was their compulsion and it brought them some good too as they r the one who will be handling the government. If system is perfect no one will bribe.
Maintaining Law and order is the duty of government, and if u observe closely government in every country have good relation with business group and they always consider their problem with prime importance. So business group are not the s**t as u think of, they are the pillar of economic upliftment and @ present they are not able to operate at their will and government don't even try to meet them when they come up with delegation. What is the case?? they can talk with and put Maoist in the government but they have no time for business group??

<<<"Business person are not to think for fellow public, it is the work of leaders and Government.">>>

I don't have seen such a false statement anywhere else. Why business tycoons don't need to think for fellow public? They must be as responsible as any other organ of a society and government. As simply as we expect a teacher to teach his student a very correct theory, a business person is expected to be very honest and transparent, co-operating with the rules and regulation and play constructive role in economic developement. They are not their just to earn and mobilize currency.


<<<"If system is perfect no one will bribe.">>>

The open secret of nepal is that the rich business group is always one step ahead in attempting preaching the system for their vested interests and finding out loopholes to extort common citizen.


<<<"if u observe closely government in every country have good relation with business group and they always consider their problem with prime importance.">>>

To enjoy this previlage, the business group binds themselve into the main streme of country's economic plan, pay tax duely in all of their transactions, maintain and promote transparent system, do not practice wrong strategies such as defaulting the bank loans, help promote in maintaining social balance and welfare of subordinate staffs, institutionalize the established financial control and timely report their loss-gain and future plans. In nepal, business tycoons do nothing as they should but just enjoy all facilities without complying their responsibilities. That is their problem.


<<<"business group are not the s**t as u think of, they are the pillar of economic upliftment ">>>

To prove this statement, the business group in nepal has to do a lot, they need undergoing into a total revolution in their approach and methodology to operate in the country. Otherwise, they would end up being sucking parasites and an another element to rotten our poor society. They should honestly report the status of financial health of their possessing and clear out debt they owe from any public financial institution. Without that how can they earn trust and faith from a common citizen?

Smells like Maoist style speech. The point at hand is that one individual was attacked by maoist activists. Let's denounce such lawlessness and not give a roundabout explanation as to why the business is to blame. Let's stick to the problem at hand which is the increasing incidents of lawlessness shown by the maoists.

If a normal Nepali is murdered, it doesnt become an issue at all.
If a journalist is killed, their associations hold protests.
If a businessman is killed, their associations hold protests.
If a teacher is killed, their assiciations hold protests.
If a political-party member is killed, the party holds protests.
But if a normal Nepali is killed, nobody cares. Among the 15 thousands that were killed in Maoist war, 90% were normal Nepali. Thats why the war prolonged 12 years. If the people whjo were killed were propessional people, journalists and politicial leaders, the Maoist problem would have been solved long ago.
It is such a disaster in Nepal. I dont mean, these protests against terrorism are bad, but even then, nobody cries for a poor.

<<<"smells like Maoist style speech.">>>

You might need correcting your smelling organ before reaching to conclusion. For me, there is no doubt in condemning the wrong-doing of maoists. I do not support any of the maoist activities that disrespect basic human rights.

But my argument is that there is no need to portray the situation as if business tycoon are the messiah to confront against the lawlessness neither is Hari an ordinary individual. To some degree, these are the people who are responsible to boost up maoist attrocities.

Being aware of malicious intention of business leaders, and being aware that these leaders could end up their protests at any point for their vested interests (no matter whether or not the maoists stop atrocities against common people in the coming days); I support these business leaders until they keep speaking for peace, progress and reiforcing of basic law and order. We will get to see how much honest are these business leaders in the coming days. My gut-feeling says, these business tycoons will soon stop talking against maoist atrocities once they get a good chat and dinner with leaders, to confirm that these tycoons won't be touched by low-class cadres but be dealt directly by higher ranked caders. On the other hand, common citizen who are now in street following them will continue to face maoist atrocities in one way or another.

people are worn-out....nation on the verge of failure....ruined....tarnished....
no more political commentary....
just condemn it plain language....might sound stupid rude indecent whatever but dont refrain yourself...more one speaks against them larger the effect and being diasporas, unseemly tag though, this will be best possible contribution for the nation at this hour....its not skepticism ...nor personnel....
terrorists are on the rampage and we can not let them this way this long.....

Prachanda blamed the King ? Really? I wonder...what a surprise !!

Chana tarkari,

Right now it is the 21st century and you probably will not agree but capitalism drives everything. Even maoist are driven by capitalism that is why they extort money at every chance they get. If businessmen have to pay donations to the maoists for fear of their lives it's the MAOISTS who are to blame.

You don't take the maoist rhetorics to blame the businessmen for donating to the Maoists!

I'm not saying businessmen are the messiah or for that matter I am not claiming anyone to be the messiah. All i'm claiming is that the Maoists are the scum bags of this earth who use weapons to scare common ordinary citizens to loot them of their earnings, beat them like animals.

Businessmen may have agenda of making money as you have said but business in itself means you provide something with the intent of making money. Such businesses run the economy. Sometimes because of inept governments, straight working businessmen have to bribe officials to get some work done, and also there will be few businessmen who are involved in deception, just like there are few criminals in any society.

BUT, for an organized political party with access to weaponry, to stoop so low as to indiscriminately beat up public unarmed citizen, that is the most shameful thing that such a party is in the government and even thinking of winning the majority in the polls. If these maoists are able to let the elections happen, they will win the majority votes by using extortion and their rule of the gun, beating up/killing anyone who dissents. Once they win, you can only imagine what they will do.

It is a shame that the government sits quietly while the Maoists are getting involved in extreme public harrassment. The Maoists who have misled the majority villagers with dreams of riches are finally setting them loose in the city to collect the riches they had been promised. If these leaders were able to deliver their promises of riches in a moral and legal manner it would have been all fine and good. But their way of acquiring money by victimizing other common citizens under the gun just shows what kind of hypocrites they are.

At this point anyone trying to take the focus away from the maoist atrocities cannot be trusted. We don't need or deserve these maoists treating other nepalis like animals.

Channa_Tarkari,
I agree with you on the fact that when poor people from villages get beheaded or chopped into pieces, no one raises their voice, yet when an elite businessman gets beaten up, everyone goes for protest. A life is a life, whether of poor or rich. May be it is this kind of a fact that drives poor towards joining the Maoists, ironically.
But at the same time, it is a hard fact of life that when people from the higher social order get involved, things start to change, everywhere. Take Jane Fonda for example for Vietnam War. So accept this hard fact and move on.

I dont agree with chana tarkari. Do you think maoist beat the businessman because they make black money ? Absolutely not. Maoist beat him because he didn't give money when they intimidated.

Secondly, do you think moaist have only extorted the rich businessman. They haven't even left the small businessman, middle and lower class from extortion.

And at least the people are getting together against maoist. And we should support the businessman.

I definitely see that chana tarkari has valid point about if villagers are getting mass murdered not much demostration, yet a beating of businessman created such hue and cry. But instead of just saying that that high profile beating gets such big news, shouldn't we be saying whats wrong with our system. There are so many defects with our system in Nepal yet so few and willing to do. All anyone does these days is give speeches and annouce a bandh these days. The situation is so bad that you can witness people breaking the law in front of the policeman and he won't do anything about it.

About bribery, yes the businessmen did give in but think of it this way. You are the head of a company, one of your staff is taking bribes to do the work you already paid him. The customer might gather courage to tell you once, to tell you twice but if you turn a deaf ear to him, what will he do? Add to that threats to kill you and your family, what do you do?

You should try doing business in Nepal sometimes, run a factory and see how easy it is. You go to bank to get your loan, the bank makes you sign a piece that states you are criminal even before you get the loan. Thanks to the non-existant company act in Nepal, the law does not differentiate between you or the company. Therefore, the company's liability becomes your personal liability. Black listing anyone? Then you go on to build your factory, but hey you need to get a license or government approval to operate your company. Key word government here, low paid officials sees money walking through the door. Do you pay bribe to the officials or do you complain to top people. You complain once, a month goes bye, you complain a second time, three months pass bye, nothing happening, small article in the newspaper may appear depending whether newspaper people like you. You get call, its the bank, it wants its interest. So what do you do? Pay the official Rs. 5000 and get your factory running or wait another 3 months and pay Rs. 15000 to the banks for interest. No brainer right.
So your factory is running, you have 200 odd employees, three months pass and they have unionzed. Don't think about your American or western unions, these are your political labour unions. Congress is in government, UML declares bandhs, one half of your labour force doesn't come to work. Then UML is in the government, you get the picture. So with half your production, you managed to sell but oh no not enough money (the bank will get its interest and taxes are paid no matter what) to pay employees. You tell your workers, oh no another strike. A month passes by, giving in you pay the bank, you pay your taxes and your workers. Stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. Can't close the factory because workers won't let you and neither will the political parties. Can't layoff workers because Labour Courts always side with the workers and laying them off avoiding the law has a high price which you do not have money to pay with. Banks calling you up, jail, blacklisting. The last option seems to be just running the factory.

Two years down the road, factory doing ok but hey who are these red folks, Maobadis?
They want donation, you report to the government. They ask you again, you again report to the government but no reaction. One day, boom...a bomb has gone off in your factory, the Maobadi say your family will be next and also next time it just won't be a part of your factory. I guess donations will follow openly from that moment onwards because Maobadi aren't just people with words but people with action. Lets see now your family has been threatened, your bleeding money, can't close the factory because now the workers are dependent on the factory in this bleak economy. So donations to Maobadi, tax to government who doesn't provide you with protection, bank interests (yes, they just declared they had bumper profit year), paying your workers and what is this, even though your factory is not operational due to the bomb blast, you have to pay minimum charge to the electric and water companies. Just bleeding money. You ask for help, maobadi increase their donations because they think you are helping the government, government increases tax because it doesn't have money, banks and utilities companies don't really care because they don't have to. Loss for you, profit for everyone else.
So in this really wonderful business environment, when surviving is your main objective, hard to think of democracy and all those other wonderful rights. Threatened, bombed, ignored, doesn't mean you give up living. You, your family and those 200 workers, what do you do?
Money certainly doesn' grow on trees. I bet even the interet you are using requires you to pay money. If you earn money, its probably from a business somewhere. Whats so bad with greed, it is a human nature. You take away a child's favorite toys and he/she starts crying. So what's so bad about making money? The failure of communism is thinking that they can make everyone the same. But inequality is a fact of nature, one place has flood, other has drought. Siberia is icy cold while Sahara is burning hot. What if you are an inch taller then me, do I cut a few inches from you? The beauty about America, is the law and order. It attempts to treat everyone equal and there are people enforcing it. Enforcing it gives people courage to report it too.
We can go on pointing fingers but we need to do something about it. Action speaks louder then words.

This is a politics of Nepal. aafno aang ko jumra nadekhane , aarka ko aang ko matri dekhane.

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bhusan,
I agree with you while speaking up against maoist attrocities. But when I hear one saying "anyone trying to take the focus away from the maoist atrocities cannot be trusted." that simply distracts me, cauze' there are many elements who are (and were) promoting maoist without really being part of them (e.g. current government). How can I trust them too?

bidhan40,
Answers to your question are already there in previous posts. I did not ask stopping support current move led by business circle but just revealed some facts that simply tell you that "Dukha paais Mangale Aafnai Dhangale" because the business community are the one that was and is financing maoist on regular basis from the past.

helpless.
your story (I tell this a list of ground truth) makes one clear how crap system is installed in nepal that suffocates an ordinary and honest business man to the death (both financially and mentally). Those are genuine issues to discuss with governing bodies (including parties, central and local governments, service providers like bank and utilities etc.) and establish a good system finding solutions of the problems which ultimately benefits the entire economy. But, I have never heard of any business tycoons or their clubs discussing about such genuine issues and placing them before public for broader discussion. Business community always chose a short-term solutionin the past, usually handshaking with some donations under the table and trying to please everybody (including royalists, parties, maoists and local gundas) but never thought of correcting the voids in the system. We witnessed that a successful businessman is not the one who speaks or works for a transparent system but the one who is smart to play foul games of bribes, false business practice and collapse big industrial network. Maoist benefited from that void and went too far on extorting everybody. Now this is the wakeup call for the business community as well, if they do not take initiation to correct the system they will suffer more than else. Maoist may be a prime culprit in unlawful extortion but they are not the only one, that is the point to note.

And here, people attempt portraying that these business tycoons are in street for protecting the right of common citizen and to end lawlessness in the country, which is largely false. Had they been not ignored by PM and other ministers, had they been allowed to contact top class leaders anytime they want to speak, had they been assured to entertain previlages like in the past regimes, they would never come to speak for any of the problems that a common citizen faces in the country. This is why I don't trust them.