Will  Prachanda prove to be another opportunistic politician and tone down his stance by refering to Gyane as "hazur". This is one of the times I am happy we have such fu'd up language with multiple forms of 'you'. I am reallyyy looking forward to this. I hope Prachanda addresses the king as tapai or timi. Haha poor Gyane is used to saying 'timi' to everyone. Will he bow down to the supreme leader and address him as 'tapai' or 'hazur'.



2. Nullification of old treaties with India
The maoists have demanded the previous governments to nullify old treaties with india. Will they even bring it up now that they are the majority? If not, only show their opportunistic mentality.

feel free to add more I am sure there are more things to look forward to

reddy,
i tend to agree with you partly. our society is divided based on race, cast, creed, occupation and so on and there are people who use these various pronouns accordingly...however, i don't think  'hajur' 'baksyos' are only used by people who are directly/indirectly related to feudalistic society. just like 'ta' is popular among close friends of any society..and as i said, it's the tone with which you speak that matters. and again, it has lot to do with our culture as well: being respectful to elders being one of them. it's not feudalism.

i have seen people who call their mom/dad 'timi'...again how you speak with them (tone that is) matters.

"baba eta aau ta ekaichin"
"oie mu*i baaabe, eta aau chhitto"

LOL!

By 'New Nepal' i am referring to Nepal without KING. It is sad that the Maoist won the majority which will definitely have some impacts to the country but if they are able to level with the commoner, i am happy.

i think ratobhaley is referring to the hajur baksyos that are exchanged between different sects(divided by the feudalistic few) of our society. and i agree with that. however, within a family circle, if they use such pronouns or any other forms for that matter, i don't think there's any harm or problem. it's strictly their choice. and as i said, our culture teaches us to be respectful to elders. nothing wrong with that either long as you can/allowed to differ in opinions/ideas/views with them if you want/need to.

now in light to the topic of this thread, i will be shocked if Prachanda calls G--sarkar, hajur, garibaksyos and so on in the forthcoming meeting. that will be a pathetic display of utter hypocrisy in his part and that's where i agree with reddy cock :D

I don't see anything wrong with the language as long as it serves the purpose of communication. Apparently, the pronoun/verb distinction came from the aristocratic families. The upper echelons see the usage as an etiquette more than the combination of words for the communication. Again nothing wrong! 

It's wrong when the conversation requires the non-speaker to force him/her to speak that way. It's then a humiliation. Seemingly, it’s a condescending inference of the situation but not the disposition of the people participating in the conversation.

The showdown of the egos is inevitable. The victor has been pre-announced. Even the faintest blow will K/O the KING.

I agree bhakunde bhut with everything you wrote other than last paragraph. I think to knock out someone you need not only weapon but a brave heart too. Aru ko ragat bagayera afno duno sojyaune katai bahadur hudaina.

Highly doubtful.  Gyanendra probably won't say much and will content himself to let King Pushpin prattle on about his "mandate" and great vision for New Nepal.  Can't wait to see KP strutting like a bantam rooster before Western dignitaries!

EAT/ate:

Jyunar bhayo

Khaibaksio

Khanubhayo

Khayo

Khayo

and my favorite

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..

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Ghichyo

 

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DeshBhaktaNepali,

                     Contrarily, I agree most with my last paragraph than the other two. By saying so, I mean the King is in his nadir. My knockout reference is figurative and could be delivered even if the King and Prachanda don't meet at all. Prachada's character is no doubt chequred and is as controversial as it can be.  Isn't it almost certain that the king will go whoever relays the message? 

Just think again, Prachanda's blood-smeared hands is made over but at the same time it's overtly obvious to all Nepalese people. Nevertheless, I am quite sure he will throw the king and does the (in ?) justice.

 

well, i agree with BB in a way. what's the big fuss about language, when indirectly P (with the people's mandate) has already dared to flip his bird at G? HAHAHA.....even if P chooses to adorn the so-called tiger with medals, the fact of the matter is, there is little semblance of the recognition as G is on the verge of getting knocked out anyways. On a similar note, there's no point in patting on his back, if he chooses to treat the same tiger (who's stripped and beaten to death already)  normally like he does to commoners. as i see this, it's a win-win situation for maoists (provided if anything dramatic doesn't happen and the tiger is resurrected from coma).

in any case, it would be interesting to see how he treats the institution-in-coma that he and his people fought the bloody war against for ten freakin' years.

Clear differences between Hajur and ---syos.

As long as I know "Hajur" has two meanings: arukaranatmak  bhanchha nepali ma. Correct me if i'm wrong.
First, it gives respect to the elder ones. Devi deuta lai pani "hajur" le pukarinchha. Referring tapai, Dinubhayo, Garnubhayo, etc. Not the baksiyos kind of thing. Tyo aisyo gaisyo bhanne sabda nepali byakaran ma kahi pani chhaina.
Second, people use "Hajur" to beg sympathy or for chamchagiri. When speaking, one can easily understand (no contradiction between two meanings at all). It is crystal clear.

Aisyo, gaisyo, herisyo, dekhisyo etc are totally out of nothing, but from the Royal Palace. Many people used this language to show off their loyalty or closeness with Royal Palace and, of course, to give a hint, though it is misleading, that they belong to a so-called higher class family. Aba yo language Raja sangai sati janechha. Rajsastha marisake pachhi tesko language use garna pani laaj lagnu parne ho. But it is difficult to change. Our society is firm.

there are many ppl they use khaisyo gaisyo type of language what is so big deal about it. ... eventhough i dont talk like that... i always liked it!!!

and there is nothing wrong with aisyo khaisyo...   agreed with MadDog's comment about gracefulness and beauty of language to portray the mannerism...      (hehehe.. not terrorism)

Thanks coffee333............that is exactly what I mean.......SO in new Nepal I have to go back and start this whole new talk with my family and elders??........tapai and Timi.?? there is nothing wrong with that form of nepali language  but I dont think I can. ............and  for many people that might me natural way of family communication but For us that is apart of out life, our culture, the way I was taught and so will my kids learn to speak. ITS JUST A LANGUAGE LIKE ANY OTHER IN NEPAL only difference it is more artistic and full of high respect versed terminology. And we use it within family only too. if I had to speak to some one like a non family on the street I simply use.....tapailai kasto chha dai??/ versus If I meet an uncle after a long time Ill use ......Uncle Hajur lai Aaraamai chha??...see the difference.....To feel degrated for not using this language is just personal insecurity of who you are.........IT IS JUST A FORM OF LANGUAGE certain groups of nepal speak just a LANGUAGE.....never meant to harm anyones feelings..otherwise why would my parents teach me this if it were to create degration. They taught me because thats how all our relatives speak. They call URDU the worlds most beautiful language............Because they use AAP...instead of tum..............is that also wrong.....like someone demanding respect.???? well first sign of a commie rule is to snatch peoples right of freedom of speech. ........THINK.

Maddogg

Exactly, I use the words "hajur", "khaisyo" everyday when I speak to someone who is elder to me. I also know a lot of people in my friend circle who has started using this style of language as a sign of respect. More importantly, I have seen that people who we address these words to, feel happy and cared for. Another point I wanna to make is that... if Nepali language can have "tah", "timi", "tapai" as different forms of addressing people, what's so wrong with "Hajur"

MadDogg why are you making excuses for using the superiority ladden language brought into existence by the powerseeking devinity seeking rulers aka Mr 5 Grand King and family?

Your example of beauty as shown by the Urdu depiction of AAP instead of TUM is a feeble attempt at its best. In Nepali, AAP is replaced by tapai and TUM is replaced by timi.

It is understandable that we can't change things overnight. Those who were brought up and taught to use such feudalistic sycophantic language will not know any better and will attempt to bloat such practice with grandiose. And there is nothing wrong with that.

For those who speak that language have you gone outside the valley or the cities? As soon as you outstep the boundaries of feudalistic cities where the influence of royal highness 'bow to me' is at it's peak because of either direct or indirect influence, you never hear such grandiose language. Go to the village where most Nepalese live and you never hear your grandiose language requiring servitude right from the speech to bow to the royal's powers beheld by years of suppression.

It is especially unnerving when speakers of such feudalistic language have an air of superiority looking down upon others who speak the regular, majority accepted form of Nepali. These speaking thinks those who claim to eat "bhaat" are of less social stature than themselves who claim to jyunaar bhuja my ass.

If those who use the superlative forms do not have any sense of superiority complex because they use that language, then I have no issues with them. But they have to be aware that not everyone grows up using such feudalistic language and if they appear condescending to those that use the regular tapai and bhaat, then those suckers can suck my you know what.

Hajur is perfectly fine. In Nepali Byakaran (Grammar), the words used in addressing someone are classified in this way:

तँ, तिमी - निम्न आदारार्थी  (Ta, Timi - Less Respectable)
तपाई - आदारार्थी  (Tapai - Respectable)
हजुर - उच्च आदारार्थी (Hajur - highly Respectable)

Hajur is frequently used in Bhanubhakta's Ramayana and other old generation books. Baksyos is also used, but less frequently to address Monarchs and Royalties. However, Baksyos etc are derived and modified Persian words, that were imported by the Shah clan who had Iranian roots. There is a lot of similarity in the interior designing of the Persian, Moghuls and Shah palaces, arts, life style and some similarity in language. Shahs are Persian Muslims by roots after all. They came to Nepal with lots of money and might, took power and accustomed themselves with the local Hindu tradition. And even made the locals believe that they were the reincarnation of Bishnu Bhagwan. hahahaha

The courtiers had to address the royalties with Baksyos. They copied the words and used them at their home. Once upon a time a Monarch heard his courtier's family member address the courtier with a Baksyos. The king was not pleased. So since then, the courtier would address the king as gariBaksyos, sawari bhai Baksyos etc and the courtiers would address each other as garisiyo, gaisiyo etc. The courtier's neighbors  overheard it, found it posh and funny and some of them used it. Thus the words spread. I have seen some normal people use tapai/hajur before, and after accumulating some wealth and having a nice building, upgrade themselves to gaisiyo etc. This is called typical copying tactics of desperate Nepalis TCTDN. Although I smell sycophancy  in gaisiyo/khaisiyo words, I don't really hate those who use them. After all they are fellow  citizens.

Now lets send Gyanendra and co. back to Tehran to meet up with their jiju khanatis.

thx
Rohit

PS the above story has some twist and turns  but more or less true IMHO.

Prachanda will use        MAUSUF          because he have said he will remove king respectfully.

Rohitgrg thanks for analysis below

तँ, तिमी - निम्न आदारार्थी  (Ta, Timi - Less Respectable)
तपाई - आदारार्थी  (Tapai - Respectable)
हजुर - उच्च आदारार्थी (Hajur - highly Respectable)

We need to root out any systems that encourage segregation. We have deep rooted cast segregation to deal with and on top of that we have this language segregation by the use of which some family claim to be aristocratic.

no_quiero Posted on 04-22-08 4:45 AM     Reply | Notify Admin
	rachanda will use        MAUSUF          because he have said he will remove king respectfully.

Good One!

hahahaha.. when ycl's cadres beat the hell out of the doctors of new medical college located in biratnagar (i forgot the name) . Superman Prachand went to see those doctors at hospital and and sympathizes by saying that... Nimna sthar ko ycl ko karyakarta baat galti bhayo..
 Equality looks good in algebric or geometric equation... otherwise you are day dreaming.
Also i did not understand the trend that whoever use the term Feudalism.. they seem to think themselves more patriotic and revolutionary...  God help them!

mixing politics in language.. huh?? Communist cadres think they know A to Z of economy, culture, religion, .. and add whatever you want to add...    if being a communist makes everybody genius and if that is the only formula.. then looks like in new nepal.. everybody will be genius.. hence everybody will be equal too..

peace!

Ratobhaley...your self degartion and feeling of inferriority makes me feel sad and wonder why the jealousy of how families communicate made it so dam important to you. To impose how people shall speak is non of your business if one choose too. This language is older than your mind can comply and has been used and passed on for generations.  That is so racial to bring this type of hatred towards certail style of speech pattern which is simply very polite towards elders and respected ones in family and community. You seem very negetive towards certain class mannerism of how they gracefully endorse our nepali language with fine artistic politenesss and respect. On the other hand you call it feudalistic sycophantic language . When this kind of language mainly addressed within the family and friends circle. I think you are the kind who would feel like KING KONG if you just called Queen Elizabeth.........hey Liz whats up???....no need to call her your Highness.........I dont bow down to any or I dont respect anyone because I differ top use polite words that shines out ones character of politeness and respect. ITS WORDS AND HOW YOU EXPRESS THEM THAT MATTERS.......may be you have a good heart bro..........but you need that artistic touch to adderss it to your elders.....that doesnt make you small or inferrior..BUT AN ARTIST OF LANGUAGE.......because you know how to beautify your speech when you need to use it .....DIDTNT say you have to use it ...AGAIN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CHOICE.....like i said in my earlier post......I speak timi tapai  & (ta ....with the closest of my friends and my pals) all the time ...........but when speaking with an elder in my family.....Its natural.............SO stop being such a bad sport and think of it as any other language spoken within families for respecting age ..................NO ONE has forced this language on you .....and will ever do. AND how you want to speak is fine with me ......dont judge the way I speak or categorize me if you believe we are all equal.