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Michael Phelps isnt the greatest olympian
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Posted on 08-17-08 9:36
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First of all sorry to any Phelps fan but the article is my own and based entirely on my opinion.First of all congratulations to phelps for world record of 8 gold medals. But I have been sick and tired of media calling Phelps as the greatest olympian. I beg to differ. He may be the most successful olympian in terms of Gold medal won, but does that necessary mean that he is the greatest olympian?.  Phelps may be most successful but to call him the greatest olympian is a no noIf somebody asks me what is your olympic moment so far? then my answer would be simple. It would be Usain Bolt completely destroying the opponent on the way to become fastest man in the planet. People say there will be a close contest betweeen bolt, powell and Gay. As it turned out it wasnt a match rather it was a mismatch as bolt broke the world record with so much ease that you could ever want to see. True Phelps won 8 gold and winning 1 gold is no mean feat, let alone 8. But it is really farcical to judge the greatest olympian purely based on number of golds. A total of 96 medals are in offering for swimming this summer olympics. Thats staggering. Say somebody is a very dominating and best player in other sports like Judo. How long will that (judoku) player take to break Phelps record? He will need a mind boggling 56 years to break phelps record. In order to become the greatest
Olympian you only really have two options to consider....swimming or
gymnastics.The run made by bolt will remain in the mind of viewers for yearsHow is Usain bolt performance in anyway mean then phelps. He bettered the record in mens 100m by 0.03 second. Which is a significant acheivement.It just irks me that swimming in particular stands out amongst all the
sports as one that makes it easier to win multiple medals. (I'm not
saying that winning a single medal is easy, but what I am saying is
that if you have won a medal in swimming the chances of you winning
another are higher than in any other sport). Sir steve Redgrave from great Britain won 5 consecutive gold medal from 1984 olympics to 2000 one in each olympic Unfortunately he isn't a swimmer like Phelps rather he is a rower. How could anybody every expect a rower to break Phelps record?. hypotetically it will have taken him about 56 years to break phelps record Will Phelps remain best for 16 years like Sir Steve Redgrave did , it remains to be seen . But at this moment of time i wont call him the greatest olympian in the history. 
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Posted on 08-18-08 5:52
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. multiple posting deleted..
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Posted on 08-18-08 10:05
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Then i can also say that running is much more easier than swimming as it is a natural human activity so anyone who gets gold medal by running or jumping is not that great!!!
You are just underminning the greatest history in Olympics itself and trying to throw mud at the person who is i would say an example of discipline, hardwork and determination. to swim everyday more than 5 hours is no joke and he was determined at his every game.
I started watching olympics just to kill time this year but Michael Phelps taught me the greatest lesson in life - that one need to be determined in life to win and can make the impossible a possibility. Whether you agree or not does not matter to him as his name will be written in history now forever as one of the greatest man.
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Posted on 08-18-08 10:37
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There is a lot of subjectivity when you put superlatives on any athletes, but we all can agree that what Phelps accomplished in Beijing puts him in a leage of his own.
But, if your argument for him not being the greatest Olympian is because he won that many golds only because he was a swimmer, then that does not make much sense. We are talking about the greatest Olympian NOT the greatest athlete. The rules and the categories of the Olympics are already there. So, if he has more gold than anybody I don't see why he can't be claimed to be the greatest (or one of the greatest ever) Olympian.
I agree with you that Guo could have won more medals had there been more events in her area of expertise. But the FACT is there weren't, and this is Olympics. So, she isn't the greatest Olympian. I don't think I will disagree with you if you claim her to be the greatst diver yet. And, since Phelps won the most golds in a single OLYMPICS, not just among swimmers, I don't see why he can't be called the greatest Olympian until someone breaks that record. You can argue that Olympic is biased towards Gymnastics and Swimming when it comes to rewarding, but that's how Olympics have been for the last however many years.
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Posted on 08-18-08 12:42
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no_quiero wrote: And to loote, if he thinks in 36 years only carl lewis came close to
breaking the record of Spitz is ludicrous. what about Kristin otto from
East Germany who won 6 golds in six events in 1988 in swimming or
Vitali Scherbo of Unified Team who won 6 golds in1992 Barcelona
olympics in gymnastics. I am not just saying Carl Lewis came close to breaking the record but he was one of the most consistent athletes (in terms of performance in more than just one Olympic) among very, very few others. He shined in three Olympics mind you: 1984, '88 and '92. Look at Phelps now: 2004, 2008 and he is not finished yet. And you compare them with Otto and Vitali who performed well in just one Olympic and couldn't even come close to winning in others? hahaha....Okay Otto couldn't participate in '84 because of the political situation in Germany back then but still that's like comparing Holland with Brazil in soccer and India/Sri-Lanka with Australia in cricket hahahaha And like some of the other people said, it's not just the number of golds that has made Phelps stand in the competition for the greatest Olympian of all time. His consistency, determination, discipline...fan following (reason that made more people watch the Olympic games) and all also made the difference.
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Posted on 08-18-08 1:37
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Micheal Phelps is the best swimmer of all time, there's no doubt. Even Mark Spitz thinks that MP would have edged him out. And for the title of the best Olympian ever... he will prove that too in four years in London. As of now, if he is not the 'Best Olympian,' there is no one better than him. Even in swimming, there are specialties and every swimmer does his/her best only in those events. But, MP won in eight different events including seven in world record time. you can't put a limit on anything.
the more you dream,
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Posted on 08-18-08 2:10
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not much to say. love him, adore him. one of the greatest for me. and on top of that...he's hot!!
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Posted on 08-18-08 2:38
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Is Michael Phelps the greatest Olympian ever?
By Chris Chase
Michael Phelps just completed the greatest Olympic performance in history. That is (or should be) without debate. But does Phelps' dominance in Athens and Beijing put him atop the list of greatest Olympians ever?
It's too early to tell, since Phelps likely isn't finished winning Olympic medals. If he returns in 2012 at the London Games and wins, say, five more medals, then there will be no question that he should be hailed as the top Olympian of all-time. If Phelps retired tomorrow though, one could still make a compelling case on his behalf.
The naysayers claim that because Phelps is a swimmer, somehow his accomplishments aren't as impressive. (One column, ridiculously, even goes so far as to say that it's "easy to win multiple medals in swimming.") Because swimming has so many racing opportunities, they say, medals are cheapened. Rubbish.
Of the 20 men who have won the most Olympic medals, only three (Phelps, Mark Spitz and Matt Biondi) were swimmers. Gymnasts dominate the top 20. If winning swimming medals was so easy, swimmers should theoretically be all over that list.
Even if they did, though, Phelps' versatility renders that argument moot. Just because all swimming strokes take place in a pool doesn't mean they're the same. Phelps won at three different distances - 100, 200 and 400 meters -- in Beijing. It's the swimming equivalent of a runner pulling the 200, 400 and 800 triple. That's never been attempted in any Olympics, let alone accomplished.
Phelps also won golds in three different strokes, a feat made even more impressive considering he was competing in those events with stroke specialists who gear their entire training toward that one discipline. That he had to swim a staggering 17 races in eight days is also not to be overlooked.
After his extraordinary performance in Beijing, Michael Phelps earned a spot on the list of all-time Olympic greats. Four years from now, he'll likely sit alone at the top.
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Is-Michael-Phelps-the-greatest-Olympian-ever-?urn=oly,101347
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Posted on 08-18-08 2:42
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He is the greatest olympian of my generation atleast for me he is simply Greight.thanks MP for this thrilling experience of seeing you swim.cheerios yes he is hawt n he is my pin-up boy on my wall hahahaha
To the thread originator i don't like to compare  but you guys can carry on as much as you want ciao.
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Posted on 08-18-08 4:42
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Michael Phelps isnt greatest olympian : Michael Jhonson
 Michael Johnson who has the world record of 200m and 400m today said that Michael Phelps isnt greatest olympian during his interview in BBC. He told there are some of the players from US and over the world who could have been called greatest olympian. However, he didn't singled out any name.
Few of the experts in interview even said it is easier to win multiple gold medals in swimming and it is not that taxing on the body as it may be in other sports.
Intrestingly enough i found another article in The Los Angeles Times.
Michael Phelps is not the greatest Olympic athlete in history
Despite
Phelps' medals and records, the quick recovery time and new technology
of swimming dwarf his achievements. Carl Lewis, Paavo Nurmi and others
rank higher.
By Philip Hersh, Special to The Times
August 14, 2008, 9:20 AM EDT
Many are saying Michael Phelps, left, is the greatest Olympic
athlete of all time. But is he? He surpassed Mark Spitz, top right, in
career swimming gold medals, but there are some other notable athletes
who could be ranked ahead of him.
BEIJING -- Could everyone please stop hyperventilating about Michael Phelps?
Yes, he now has won more gold medals than anyone in Olympic history.
No, that does not make him the greatest Olympic athlete in history.
In fact, he doesn't even make my top five.
He is No. 6 with a bullet, moving up the charts like a hot pop song.
Ahead of him?
1. Carl Lewis, U.S., track and field.
2. Paavo Nurmi, Finland, track and field.
3. Larisa Latynina, Soviet Union, gymnastics.
4. Birgit Fischer-Schmidt, Germany, kayak.
5. Steven Redgrave, United Kingdom, rowing.
Why is Phelps sixth?
It is easy to win multiple medals in swimming.
The sport is far more forgiving on the body than track or gymnastics.
And Phelps does not yet have the long-term record of the others.
Lewis won nine gold medals, four in the 1984 Olympics and four straight in one event, the long jump.
Nurmi won nine gold medals at distances from 1,500 to 10,000 meters
over three Olympics. He likely would have won more had he not been
declared ineligible after 1928 under rules that demanded Olympians be
amateurs.
Latynina won nine gold medals and 18 total medals over three Olympics.
Fischer-Schmidt won her first of eight gold medals in 1980 and her last
24 years later as a 42-year-old mother of two. She won three for the
old East Germany and five for the unified Germany. She won in singles,
doubles and fours. She also won four silvers.
Redgrave won gold medals in five consecutive Olympics while rowing in three different boat types.
I asked Phelps on Thursday if winning the most golds makes him the
greatest of all time, and he sounded like a man wisely focused on the
present.
"I have no idea," he said. "I just get in the water and swim. That's the only thing I think about."
I asked Olympic historian David Wallechinsky the same question, and he ranked Nurmi and Lewis as co-leaders.
"I think Phelps needs one more Olympics to join them," Wallechinsky said.
Over 12 years, Lewis won two gold medals in the 100 meters, one in the
200, two on the sprint relay and an unprecedented four straight in the
long jump, an event in which the impact on the body of the run-up and
takeoff has been likened to falling off a truck at 25 mph.
"What Lewis did is extraordinary. He is No. 1," said France's
Marie-Jose Perec, one of three runners to win the 200 and 400 meters in
the same Olympics.
"You can't compare track and swimming. In swimming, you can recover.
You can do five races in a day and get world records in all of them.
That's impossible in our sport."
Don't try to argue that Phelps has been part of world-record performances in his first five events.
New pool and suit technology have made swimming's world records
meaningless, with 18 record performances through Thursday in the
Olympics alone. Just four world records have fallen in track and field
all year.
Swimming allows an athlete to race two finals in 29 minutes, as U.S. Olympian Ryan Lochte planned Friday morning.
Track and field is so much more physically demanding that neither
Allyson Felix nor Sanya Richards dared a 200-400 double after the
Olympic schedule put the second round of the 200 within three hours of
the 400 final.
"Swimming is pressure off your body, where we are pounding on it," Felix said.
Swimming offers three relays with the risk of a false start minimal.
Some sprinters run both of track's longer relays, the 400 and 1,600,
but the exchanges on the sprint relay are so dicey Lewis lost a certain
medal in 1988 when other U.S. runners botched a baton pass in a
preliminary round.
If Olympic track had an 800-meter relay, an event in which Lewis was
part of a world-record performance, he probably would have won at least
two more gold medals.
Three of swimming's four strokes -- everything but the breaststroke --
might as well be the same. Otherwise, how could backstroker Matt
Grevers say he barely trained that stroke before winning an Olympic
silver medal in the 100? Nearly every good freestyler can be a good
butterflyer, and vice-versa.
You don't see any 100-meter runners in the mile, or any milers in the long jump.
Don't get the wrong idea. Track athletes have great respect for what Phelps has accomplished.
"It's inspiring to watch in amazement at everything he's doing," Felix said.
But he's not the most amazing Olympian ever.
Hersh covers the Olympics for The Times and the Chicago Tribune.
Copyright © 2008, The Los Angeles Times
And of course I am not trying to bring down Michael phelps. His record in swimming is phenomenol. But if you happen to read times magazine, word press, guardian, or watch bbc, los angeles times. Non of the expert in that media regarded him as the best olympian. There must be some truth in that. .
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