Folks, never forget that he is a murderer.  Surely he protects his fellow comrade murderers.  Except for few publicity stunts, he is nothing more than a murderer to me.  These people don't stand for anything.  They just want to be in power, otherwise why would he have made the biggest cabinet with all these criminals, and all these underqualified no names.  It seems that if you are from Madhes he would make you a minister if you are a member of a stupid party and have killed few people or have embezzled money.     

कुरा प्रस्ट छ , धुङेल ले राजनीतिक कारण ले श्रेष्ठ लाई मारेका हैनन । रोल्पा को चौकी देखी थान्कोत को पोस्ट हान्ने लडाकु र दुङेल को कुनै मेल छैन । जनयुद्ध का क्रम मा भएका युद्ध-हत्या रा ब्यग्तिगत रुप मा भएक एस्ता अपराध को छान्बिन हुनै पर्छ । लडाईं का मैदान मा भएका हत्या र बारी मा गएर हात बाधेर गोली थोक्ने बिच केइ समानता  छैन ।
 दुङेल हत्यरा हो र कानुन सम्मत कर्वही हुनै पर्छ ।

This Dhungel case might be the start of Baburam's government downfall. What i don't understand is why is this government so desperate to pardon Dhungel case when they know this case might derail the peace process. Where are they getting this immense pressure from to pardon him in the risk of de-railing peace process?? I don't have a full insight but it does seems like the murder was of a personal conflict rather than political or people liberation one. Or if the political conflict got turned into personal ?? 

Baburam the opportunist bound by his crook supporters.

First he sees an opportunity in chaos.
He realizes Nepalis in villages are on their own.
He recruits people without any hope to participate in random killing of civilians.
He proliferates a propaganda of fear.
Innocent and harmless villagers who are scared for their lives have no option but to join him.
Some of them get persuaded by his lies of getting a share of the city life and city wealth.
Thus he gathers his mass and extends his politics of fear.
He enlists a key group of supporter who do anything he asks them including murder, in return for a position in government if they ever make it there.
These group of supporters begin to feel like gods since noone can stop them, so if anyone personally comes in their way or against their way of thinking, they kill them in cold blood. Many teachers were killed for this reason, because teachers have this uncanny thing about not teaching falsehood.
Dhungel was one of these key supporters who killed for his own personal reason.

After everything was said and done, you can see the resulting set of ministers that Baburam was obligated to select. He had to make do on his promises.

Baburam is nothing but an opportunist, at the expense of Nepali people who were killed, at the expense of hopes of Nepali bhedas who desperately wants a leader, at the expense of tears from many mothers who lost their innocent children because of these people's personal goals.

This mother's tears are felt by many sons who are not her own. And few of them are bound to rise to avenge these murderous politicians.

The end game is near for him.

@ Eastsidaz Thank you for pointing out my typo...i m using isajha thru iphone...so sorry about dat .
Yes, i did say best alternative for baburam was to condemn muder and respect supreme courts decision. I don't understand why would baburam resign over this matter?
Your only reason was he was pressured by his cohorts. Let me tell you something, a leader is one who leads not one who follows. Not one who gets influneced even when he knows whats wrong n right. A leader is one who corrects people and show them right path. If baburam cannot do that, its such a shame people expected so much from him.
Are you kiddin me by saying " it is not unconstitutional for asking pardon for a person found guilty by supreme court?" It is unconsitutional by all means. According to law, there is a provision for appeal only incase to diffuse ethnical violence and maintain communal harmony. Which is clearly not the case here.
Did u watch the first youtube video starting from 2:15 sconds n wat was motive of the murder?
Any one can easily rule out that it was political case, rather a criminal one. If ujjain shrestha was significant member of nepali congress, do u think shrestha family would be begging like this for justice, when at that time Nepali congress was largest party in country. Your only reasoning was he might have been a candidate for oda adakchya. I highly doubt this. Ujjain shrestha was a farmer.
I donot understand ya logic of how pardoning Dhungel will bring end to Nepal bandha? Or will it stop Maobadhi from going back to jungle. again?

यो लहरो हो, लहरो तान्दा पहरो गर्जान्छ । आफ्नै पार्टिको पहरो भत्काउन बाबुराम ले सक्तैनन ( यो आस गर्नु बेकर हो, बाबुरामलाई प्रत्छ्य जनताले चुनेको होइन ) र बच्चाब्का उपाय तयारी नगर्दै पहिरो आयो भने अरुलैनी पुर्न सक्छ भन्ने मेरो ठम्म्यै हो ।

 

Who says baburam is not the real hero??? He is real just like Hitler who did as he said.

 Ojaswi, my opinion pretty much resonates with dbst's. I dont think this decision was singlehandedly done by BRB, it was done by the party and I seriously doubt Baburam can have any say in this anymore. If you think the party will retract its decision now then I would say you have misunderstood the maobadis. Baburam has declared that the decision can not and will not be retracted. That's their position and your position is just the opposite. How can we get a compromise between these positions? That should be our concern.
  As concerns leadership in Nepal, a true leader would not last in Nepal, hence there does not exist one. Counter me if I am wrong. To become a leader, you have carry all kinds of people on your back because most of the people are selfish and uneducated. They would look for their profit before they would look for their community. It's difficult. My point is we can't afford to decelerate the ongoing peaceprocess and nationbuilding effort for one Dhungel dude. Future of our nation is more important than one person's future. You might ask what kind of future we can envision with this kind of law. Well we can address the law after we become a little better in economic front. As you might know Nepal is dirtpoor. We can't afford to fool around in these bids.
  My question to you is: would you want the nation to go to dust rather than forgive the Dhungel guy? The relationship between this case and Nepal bandh and the next civil war is that people are getting heated about this case. When people get heated, that kind of shit happens. People have already started creating juloos. It's just a matter of time. Given the intensity of the case, I doubt that the opposition of this pardon is not politically motivated. About the constitutionality of this case, I think the Ministry and the President reserve the right to override any decision by the Supreme Court. That's how it is in the US. I am not saying Baburam's decision is right but he has not broken any law this time by supporting his cohorts in this decision. Moreover, I don't think all the political murders happened in the battlefield. Was the murderer of that teacher - Bhattarai guy, who was tied to a tree with his muffler and shot down - punished? I dont think that was personal though it occurred outside the battlefield.
   Another question, why would Dhungel murder Ujjan if the girl he eloped with was not his sister. The party might have directed this action because it was Ujjan's second marriage and I think maobadis punish a person with two wives( I am not aware of the court ruling) . In that case, it can be defined as a political murder. Well during the war, many personal murders were politicized in both sides so it's better if we don't get roiled in this quagmire any longer. If there's a short way out, let's go that way. That is the essence of this moment in Nepal. So that we can address the case of our Nepali didi bahinis being raped on a daily basis and our Nepali brothers being killed by the Musaltes. Are you aware that there are 40 dead bodies in Saudi ready to be shipped to Nepal? Do they demand any less attention than the Ujjan case? They are dying each day as we speak. Now we can address this case or continue with the Ujjan case which is interesting and beneficial only to perpetrators of Nepal. If we continue this chaos, the outsiders will always have an upper hand with us and will continue to enslave us.

Outsiders have already enslaved us....make no mistake...this RAW agent has arleady made a deal with INDIA to fk Nepal...anyway who needs outsiders to enslave us when insiders already have done so? If we don't have any accountibility for the actions and keep pardoning murderers and criminals then we have lost the battle....Dhungel, without a doubt murdered someone in cold blood and was convicted of this crime....East Sidez i don't think you would have been saying let's forget about the murderer because we need people like BRB to develop Nepal if the victim had been someone you knew. This just shows that maoists can get away with murdering anyone, no we don't need any accountibility becasuse BRB said so and he is our only hope for the future?? if this is the kind of hope this bastard RAW agent will show then it's FKING SHAMEFUL ......

 Chaurey, if Ujjan had been someone I knew, I doubt I would not have put nation first.

even if he was your father? son? brother? uncle? friend?
easier said than done but if so, i have nothing more to say to you. i guess national development supercedes any crime and justice in your point of view.  My view is no one should be allowed to commit a crime and be given a chance to get away with it, regardless of political orpersonal,  that to me tears the moral fabric/foundation of a civil society on which development of a Nation can be built upon. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions.

BABURAM and some people over here are TERRORISTS BASTARDS. Period. I would love to see the amnesty being offered to those people who kill these bastards' family members. Kukur haru hun, yesto case lai pani ajhai Amnesty dinu parchha bhanne haru. Afno manche marnu parchha yi kukur haru ko ani balla thaha pauchhan.

Eastsidaz, when u say
  "I dont think this decision was singlehandedly done by BRB, it was done by the party and I seriously doubt Baburam can have any say in this anymore." So what kind of leader is he? I will quote again from Ojaswi A  Leader is one who leads not one who follows


. To become a leader, you have carry all kinds of people on your back because most of the people are selfish and uneducated. They would look for their profit before they would look for their community. 

  So, you are admitting what kind of people are Maoist. If Baburam is not able to convince and influence these people, he is among them for sure.

My point is we can't afford to decelerate the ongoing peaceprocess and nationbuilding effort for one Dhungel dude. Future of our nation is more important than one person's future. You might ask what kind of future we can envision with this kind of law.

So, you prefer a law system where criminals are pardoned by politicians due to their affiliation? It is not Shrestha family that is risking the peace process but it is actually Baburam Bhattrai who is playing with it in crucial time by asking pardon for a convicted murderer.

Well we can address the law after we become a little better in economic front.

Is this a joke? How can you have economic development when you have no law and order? It is has always been evident , it was Maoist who closed down lots of indutries in name of donation, labor disputes and foreign involvement.

 I am not saying Baburam's decision is right but he has not broken any law this time by supporting his cohorts in this decision.

If you know in heart something is wrong, don't try to justify it. He might not have broken any law this time??? He has broken heart of million of Nepalese by this single deicison, who want to see law and order in this country.

Another question, why would Dhungel murder Ujjan if the girl he eloped with was not his sister. The party might have directed this action because it was Ujjan's second marriage and I think maobadis punish a person with two wives( I am not aware of the court ruling) . In that case, it can be defined as a political murder.

Oh wait, few post back you were talkign about remote posibility of Ujjain shrestha murdered for being canditate for Oda Adaksya for Nepali congress which then by the way was largest party in Nepal. Now, your definition of political murder includes people being murdered for having two wives. So, u think Maobadhi have right to punish people with two wives?

Well during the war, many personal murders were politicized in both sides so it's better if we don't get roiled in this quagmire any longer.

Wow...at this point you are saying admiting it was personal murder but you are still defending it saying it is okie to convert these murder case to political case assuming it will be beneficial?? wow I wonder how??

The way I see it, Nepal as a country is better off with criminals like Bal krishna in jail rather than in Cabinet as a minister.

   Chaurey, I did not say national cause supersedes any crime. Let's not make any blanket statements. I do believe it would be better to get a peaceful result in this very case for national cause. Well law and order are not the same for everyone( though as much as I wish it to be). Some people enjoy the laxness of law when the person is not a layman.e.g. celebrities in the US. Dhungel is a Shavashad ( I dont know how he got that position), so he may be considered as a special case. My point is the pardon has already been approved by the ministers. If it were not done yet, then it would  have been worthwhile to discuss about it. And Baburam has declared he can not and will not retract his decision. So we are past that phase when we could debate about the wisdom of giving pardon to Dhungel. Now we have to debate the legality of the ministerial decision to ask for presidential pardon to Dhungel. Is it unconstitutional? Can the ministry appeal for nullification of Supreme court decision? Have they acted within their right vested by the Constitution of Nepal? We are not in a phase where we can debate whether murderer should be punished. Of course they should be punished. Of course everyone should be held accountable for one's action. Everyone knows that. But this case is way way past that phase. 
   To your question whether I would have behaved differently if the victim were my relative - well you are marching into a hypothetical realm so I can not claim with certitude that I would do this. Nor can you claim with certitude that I would do that. Well the grief among the victims family is unfathomable. To truly know the grief one has to go through the experience. The suicide of Ujjan's niece says it all. You talk about fabric/foundation of nation building. You dream about utopian society. You ask for western style law and order. Bro, what was the last time you went to Nepal? Reality in Nepal is harsh. People are leaving the country in droves because of this kind of political show. Noone cares about economy. Even the ministry of labor is unaware of the unemployment rate in Nepal and no one cares. 40 dead Nepalese are unclaimed in Saudi Arab. We can expect more from the government and we should. But we should pick our priorities. If we are not willing to settle our differences. It will never settle. This has to be put to an end somewhere someday. 
   Vasudev, you said: So, you prefer a law system where criminals are pardoned by politicians due to their affiliation? This thread is about Baburam's involvement in the ministerial decision to ask for presidential pardon for Dhungel. It's not about me. I prefer a stable Nepal. I did not make that decision. I am not commenting on the wisdom to come up with that decision. I am just suggesting  possible(practical) outcomes of the decision since the decision has already been made. I am asking everyone to look forward not backward. To do so I have asked about the legality(not the wisdom) of the decision.
   I find Baburam's retraction from the decision very unlikely hence I hesitate to insist on that. That's the practical side of me. About the politicization of murder during the civil war era, I dont think a full justification was needed to murder an opponent, just a small excuse was enough. And the two wives could have been the very excuse in Ujjan's case.  

  To your other question: So you are admitting what kind of people maobadis are.  Yes I admit what kind of people they are. They came from the jungle. They kill people without mercy. Now that they are trying to abide by the law, I welcome them. Their atrocity is the reason I don't want them to go back to jungle. Just imagine how much our nation will lose if we wage another civil war. This concern should not be a deterrent to the enforcement of law and order. But one should be able to adapt to time and circumstances. Difficult circumstances call for difficult choice. It's your choice.

sathi bhai haru,, baburam, prachande,,,, sabai hatyara hun,,, hatyara haru bata des bikas huna sakdaina...yo satya ho. 

 Saheed ko aashu. Aru bikalpa ke chha. Bhana na. Nepal ma sachcha manchhe ko chha. Dekhau na.

You expect murderer ministers and murderer supporting prime minister to give you a better future, a robust economy for a prosperous Nepal? Are you out of you freaking mind? this is worse than royal regime where few people of royal family were above the law. Now each of those ministers and their familes are going to be above the law. Do you want another bloody revolution to overthrow the maobadis?

Don't sweet talk like maobadis talking about better future, robust economy and prosperous Nepal. That is how maobadis talk.

First and foremost the law has to be upheld. Killing between army and maoist insurgents are different but civillians murder have to be prosecuted otherwise what good are maoists from the royal family who were above the law. Granting pardon to a convicted murderer only shows the mob mentality of maoists. They are a mob and they want to protect their mob even if they are convicted murderer.

You are here living in the US enjoying all the luxuries and rights provided to you by it's legal system and you are supporting the murderers back home who are supposed to be in the government.

Many Nepalis were prepared to move on and give Baburam a chance but he made the same mistake that Gyanendra made when he made an accused murderer a minister. A government that is weak in withholding the laws of the land or a government that inturrupts the process of law and order to save one of their own sends a clear message of mob rule. You are either one of the rulers or just a common citizen.

If you are fine with this, I have nothing more to say to you. Keep on being a hypocrite by enjoying the capitalistic fruits in the US while supporting the Maoist atrocities and murders.

Just stop sweet talking about the great future and admit you are an opportunistic maoist.