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Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev

My dear Mandale bro,you misquoted his name :It should ve been Gyanendra shah'Pokerface'.

 Dear @shiva_linga..., if I'm manadle then who are you!! Are you new age high tech modern mandale 21st century democratic mandale!! I don't know what exactly this mandale means!! Is it that If somebody support king is mandale (bad people) and who don't they are good people (democratic/YCL/NC/UML......) 
why such differencial and bad judgement among people.... no brainer Nepal politics is fueled with hatred and prejudice lucky enough in the name of Democracy.....
I'm not advocating nothing just saying what i've been seeing and feeling....
Anyways its people's choice who you want to be ruled with.....faggots or non faggots...

Nakucha,
I respect your sentiments! I often harbor sympathy for monarchy myself, maybe for symbolic purposes or maybe I was just brainwashed as a kid into believing all the glorified history of our Kings, but I just don't buy into this notion of King saving the country anymore (Just look at what this King has done in the past let alone the prince living a luxurious life in singapore despite having killed a civilian)

And your logic of saying King is better than the politicians reads to me like "Hitler killed less people than Stalin, so I'd rather have Hitler"

Any country going through a major transformation like ours is bound to go through this stage. We're at infancy of building our complex, diverse nation. As my friend used to say, there's always chaos in diversity. Look at the history of great nations, how long did it take them to prosper and become a world power? It didn't happen overnight -- and it didn't happen without major pitfalls. The so-called leaders of our countries might be rotten, but it'll simply take a generation or two to sideline their archaic thoughts. We might not see this in our lifetime. But we have to strive that our children will see a better Nepal. And please, using derogatory terms like "faggots" really doesnt make your case stronger :).

Spot on Snurp, very well said.

APPLAUSE!!!!

Snurp when you say - And your logic of saying King is better than the politicians reads to me like "Hitler killed less people than Stalin, so I'd rather have Hitler"

I understand your logic that both are bad very bad. But in the real world of Nepali politics those are the only options you have.

Let me ask you something. If you had the choice to vote for either Hitler or Stalin, who would you vote for? If I am not mistaken you would vote for the lesser of evil.

 Thanks @Snurp, Please don't dwell into confusioin being a brainwashed kid. Everything or whatever happening is right infront of our eyes, right under our nose. That's upto oneself judgement. I always believe in "Let the law rule", that's the norm of  Democracy if I'm not mistaken. Noone should be immune, nobody should be above the law, not even the king. What we can expect from this new constitution the new laws made by the same corrupt incompetent political law makers who are the major law breakers themselves. I'm trying to say is yes we are on verge of change a big change, a transitional period to become a prosper nation. But Nepal being a unique country why we have to destroy Nepal's Legacy, unity, its rich history, harmony among diverse multiculture on the path to change. Why we can't leave them intact!! 
Yes I agree with you that we have a long way to go, we might not see this in our lifetime may be a wait for another 240years ;-). I'm sorry for using words found offensive. 
In the current context if not the people(empty thoughts power to the people) the king can act like father figure (better than third country), people can accept Prachanda then why not the king!!! Anyways if India wants (we all know that) king or whoever can come back anytime and nobody can do nothing about it. Its painful that we have to rely on third country for our own sovereignty, moreover people are happy for that.

Hey Rethink and Nakucha, I understand the frustration. I feel the same way whenever I talk to my folks back home. Its like choosing between the rock and the hard stone. The resignation of people is simply sad!

However, I guess it is easy to blame the politicians, mind you, rotten to the core, but we have to understand that they came from our society as well. So, we cannot simply blame them without taking some responsibility. Let me give you one example: Hygiene and cleanliness might be taught in school, but it has to be our own decision not to throw garbage at others' compound; Social studies might be taught in school, but civility has to start at home and in the society. As chaotic and bad it may seem now, the next generation will be better. People are more educated now and they will continue to be better. There will be better leaders in the future.  At least that's what i can hope.

Now coming back to the King, I just don't see the need. Why do we all have this wishful thinking that we need someone else to guide and lead us? Why can't we simply empower ourselves? Besides, the Ex-King did have that chance for quite a number of years and his predecessors did as well. He screwed up big time. If he wants to be a political leader and run for office, I don't think anyone's stopping him. But if he tries to sneak through disguising in the form of a religion or bishnu's avatar, its pathetic!

Thank you for expressing your opinions.

We are solely human beings. Noone is expecting anyone to believe anyone is a God or reincarnation. The will of the people is our will. Royalty is an institution just like numerous other institutions. Such an institution should not be ignored because of the will of the few who came to power by killing innocent people. The will of the people should be honoured.

Jai Desh Jai Naresh

 Yes blame goes to all.  We have seen enough of leaders' insanity and immorality too. They are at the position to take the blame so is our duty too to let them know of wrong doing, provided people considered ultimate power. People should be cautios let leaders do high profile sensitive decisions that could hurt or will cause unrepairable damages to country, than regret and cry fowl later.
I hope next generation would be more educated learn from the past and do better.
Also hope and wish the king run for the office.
End of discussion.....

@NepalkoAwaz: I am with you i really respect your feeling. I read all comments, but you guys couldn't think about the consipiracy against Nepal. Do you think that BRB and PKD are only the real son of Nepal. Because of these traitors we lost our beloved King Birendra. Think, Maoist agenda was only to fight against constitution of 1990. But sooner after palace massacre, Kantipur publication published a article of BRB, which clearly said that something was cooking. Pravin Lama was not killed by Paras, whereas it was RAW conspiracy to make him more unpopular. Because they know that it will sooner or later next episode they are bringing. 

You guys are saying one people killed by Paras, but it was accident. What about those guys intentionally and brutlly killed, not only one or two 15000. If I will put you in the shoe of Paras, what will you think. You guys are hearing all the time many guys arrested in DUI after killing someone. 

Recetly two years ago a doctor did suecide, where as he did only one thing hit-and-run. Why not you are blaming him ? 


The Paras and Palace massacre were only the first episode of current Nepal. We need a leader who can protect our country and Napali which is completely uncertain now. If we are not stop these guys tomorrow we  will  the citizen of India.


I don't want to be citizen of India at any cost. We need one roof and one Nepal not divided Nepal in the name of federalism. Do you think these guys have balls to fight against India. Yes I can say King has and had guts to fight against India. What about these leaders, they are pimp of India. 

पहिला सुन्थे कि नेपाली चेली लाई बोम्बे मा बेचिन्थ्यो तर अहिले त येनी हरु ले पुरा नेपाल लाई नै बेच्ने योजना गर्दै छ. त्यो पनि किस्ता मा, आज भक्कर समाचार पाएको कि माओबादी ले १० वटा किस्ता बनाको छ. भन्ना ले १० वटा किस्ता मा भारत लाई नेपाल handover  गरिन्छ.

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i agree with you snurp but what you forgot to factor in is the fact that we live in 21th century. and what examples have you provided were from early 1900.
the fact that our country is going through this hell hole is just because all the so called educated citizen are enjoying the prosperity in the country that had already been through their hell hole. we are enjoying the sophisticated lived earned by the hard work and patriotism of others.
nepal needs educated and patriotic citizens today. trust me we wouldn't be less than south korea if the country could lure back its educated citizens.

and with the debate between Tyrant or democratically elected politicians, i dont care as long as they work for the betterment of the country.
but i can tell you that Gyane and paras arent them.
i respect democratic system but i also believe that democracy is a nariyal. aaba kasko hat ma parcha tyessaile jancha ko ho vanera. aajko din ma ta badar kai hat ma pareko dekkhincha.

Hope is what keeps a lot of people going, but sometimes hope ends up doing very bad things. For example we can take the Maoist coming into power. They played with people's hope to get in power and now they are not going to let go too easily. People actually voted for them with the hope that they will bring in change, even ignoring the fact that they came into power by killing over 15000 people most of whom were innocent people who were brutally murdered.

This hope can cause irrepairable damages sometimes because people can be unreasonable and impractical with their hopes. People believe anything can be better than congress so they bring in the maoist and now they find maoist is even worse, and now they will try to justify it by saying things like it will take time for democracy to flourish. They said the same thing 5 years ago. Well, they said the same thing 100's of years ago even in the US, and now things are taking a wrong turn in both Nepal and US.

A lot has to do with the circumstance too. When there were few mouths to feed, democracy sounds great because there are plenty of resources for everyone, but now with rampant growth in population and limited resources, everyone's trying to make a few bucks while they can. In country like the US, because of strong legal backings, it is more difficult to abuse public resources and practice corruption, but as we have heard in the news there are more such occurance. While in Nepal, with lack of backing by the law, everything is up in the air and only the strong survive which becomes the maoists with their YCL backforce. The law is a joke as Baburam tries to put in small legal fronts such as confiscating land to build roads and doing breathalizer tests, while other ministers and his political partners are busy demanding bribe of millions of dollars openly to foreign projects and being involved in other corrupt activities.

Hope is a beautiful thing but hope has to be backed up somehow by a possible roadmap as to how it is all possible or will be possible. However, in our context, there is zero possible road maps besides the increasing corruption, extortion, murders and an all round increase of everything that is bad to worse.

Due to lack of education, the majority of people in the streets are swayed by political display of power and they will do anything for Rs. 100 a day.

Because of this, the only hope that exists for nepal is for a military rule by a benevolent ruler. I don't see anyone else besides the King himself who can possibly carry this out. The royal institution has been going on for centuries and they took everything for granted, and this decade they got ousted. They have learnt a biggest lesson but they are only human beings everyone makes mistakes but keeping in mind what the options are, the new Royal coup would be the best options because they will come to power knowing they can't mess with the people, knowing they will not be above the law, but knowing they are the only ones who can make and effort to make things right. They already have lot of property and wealth so they are not going to be as bent on filling their coffers like the opportunistic leaders who have make their way in poverty and made their exit in affluence as we have seen time and again since the ousting of the king.

Good politics is all about choosing the least evil options.

 grgdai - you said a lot of thing and i admit i didn't read everything but your last line was right on the money. very well said!!

"Good politics is all about chooing the least evil options."

There is no way for the King to do a coup without India's blessings. India is not going to let that happen anymore. Gyanandra had a chance and he lost his chance. Everytime Gyanendra makes his round among public it seems like lots of people are supporting him but you all need to understand that his followers are too small in numbers. Is Gyanedra able to call a mao, uml or Congress like parade? No he is not..and that is a fact.

Next, it is virtually impossible to go through a coup after they have pretty much democratized Nepal Army. The army is no longer a Royal Nepal Army its Nepal Army now.

Finally, the Rajabaadi's need to understand that Nepali people do not want to assoicate Nepal's King in anyway with Paras. Paras cannot be a prince and he cannot be father to a king. That is why parties like Congress who were more kinder to the Royals are not even talking about having king back.

Its time to understand that Shah Bansa is finished in Nepal. If Gyanendra runs for an election, he will get less vote than Surya Bahadur Thapa.

 I am least into politics, but reading everyone's replies I have a couple of cents (wanted/unwated) of my own to throw in.

The age of kings or monarchy has come to an end. Our country is so small that when it rains, its the last to know. But we know now. Monarchy is not a feasible option for educated, independant thinkers. That same way, communism is also not an option because of its impracticality. We are left with democracy, which has a historically high success rate and can also be attributes to shaping brilliant minds who have single handedly pulled the entire human race from one stage to another. 

But democracy without education might as well be like monkeys trying to play a game of basketball. They know the end goal is to make the ball go through the hoops, but are oblivious to all the small important rules that run the game. Its a major pain in the ass for players to 'do anything in their power' to make sure the ball goes through the hoops, gives unfair advantage to some, and in general is chaotic to just watch a bunch of monkeys fighting and running away with the ball to be ganged up by the entire team and the bench players on the court. 

Thats when the importance of rules, a system, a community, comes in. If there are rules, it at least provides players an incentive to try and follow them. If not, they get penalized. Which is the system. A system designed to run on its own, with maintenance every now and then. Everything in this world needs 'marmat' after a while. And finally an educated community which is bound together by similar ideals and morals and who will DEFEND THOSE in times of need. 

I guess we need to be more trusting of each other for that similar ideals and morals to come by. How do we gain trust? One way is by being more open, by being more verbal, spoken; basically getting those thoughts in your head out on to a viable medium. It doesn't have to be throught ONE medium. It's basically an artform, where you express something to be absorbed by the community and gather something meaningful out of it. Music, poems,books, pictures, films, paintings. Things that EXPOSE you, expose who you are, your thoughts, and what you feel, to a community that has the potential to understand your viewpoint(s). These are the structural beams that hold up any community. 

On note of community, one problem that we have, which EVERYONE in here is very much aware of is khutta tanning. Even in Sajha, someone posts something, there are about ten different people with shotguns ready to shoot the poor guy down (I admit, I've held the barell more than a couple of times). This hostility towards each other is what took Somalia to where it is today. I don't think any good is gonna come from that. 

We so badly lack this teamwork feeling. You know, cheering for a team you love, riding the crests and troughs of success and failure as one huge ship. Instead we are ready to tear everything apart. Build a dam, blow  it up. Build a communications tower, blow it up. 

Thus, I feel that what we need most right now is some sort of general education. It will offcourse take time, five to ten years, but really, how fast time goes when you are busy with something. Those who finished colleges, try to think how long those 4-5 years felt like. So in the time it takes you to get a degree, we could have some level of understanding going on in the country along the lines of: this is a ball, that is a basket, you gotta bounce the ball, not carry it over. If you shoot from this line, its 3 points. If you knowingly kick someone, thats reason for suspension. Etcetera.

And we can then enter playoffs with the big teams, even tho we have very slight chances to win, it will expose us to our weaknesses and how we can improve on them.

I know this all sounds too easy so I just want to put out there that every thought has a dichotomy; one which encourages you to do something, the other which discourages. I fall in the former camp, and sometimes we get dissed for being useless dreamers. 

Anyways, thanks for reading then. 

 hey caco - i again admit i didn't also read everything you wrote..i don't like reading anything that's more than few lines but that is my issue not a cheap shot at yours or anyone else's writing ability and their content. 

i find myself quoting others today....i read this one line from your comment and that's all i needed read. very well said!!

"But democracy without education might as well be like monkeys trying to play a game of basketball."

We always keep complaining about the problems so what is the most likely solution for the problem?

Its good to have a discussion but our reality is far from it.  I mean if you look at the current situation, maoists did not give gyaney enough time to impliment changes. But Maoists have been in power for 4 yrs and change.... what have they done ? Nothing.  They are too busy filling their own pockets and scheming to hold on to that Kursii.  Corruption is still rampant in Nepal.  These Maoists have created Dons in every neighborhood.  Lawlessness is rampant.  We are in a far worse situation then we were in in 1990's(first round of democracy when birendra gave up his power).  Tyo bhancha ni JUN JOGI AYEPANI SHEERAI PHAADEKO.  I am not a Gyaney fan either.

Bathroomcoffee

you are not a gyane fan, you are not a congress fan or maoist fan. So what do you propose? What do you think is the least evil option?