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Nepe
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Posted on 06-01-05 12:14
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साझाका एक वाचाल लेखक र केही मौन पाठकहरु समेतसंगको न्यूयोर्कको गएको सप्ताहान्त एक अविस्मरणिय सम्झना र शायद कुनै कठीनसदृश यात्राको सहजीकरण र विस्तृतिकरण समेत रह्यो मेरा लागि । काव्य, दर्शन, राजनीति र आत्मकथा- त्यो पनि ठट्टा र गम्भिरताका दुवैका दोभान पुन्टेजी र उनलाई लिटररी खर्लप्पै निलिदिने भाउजुको लेजेन्डरी आतिथ्य, स्वादिष्ट व्यञ्जन, रूचि अनुसारको पेय, सुरुचिसम्पन्न बन्धुबान्धवको जमघट, बेहद ठट्यौली र अनवरत हाँसोको फोहोरा बिच । त्यसको धङधङी अझै यसरी बाँकी छ, छुट्टिएको आभासै हुँदैन । वास्तवमा छुट्टिन यति कठीन थियो, एक रात अझै थपियो मेरो यात्रा योजनामा । भर्सेलामा जाओस् मलाई ल्याबमा पर्खिरहेका एक्स्पेरिमेन्टहरु, तर यो जमघट, यो माहौल, आत्मोदघाटनका यी आत्मिय क्षणहरुको मोह अहँ संवरण गर्न सक्तिन म । अनि रोकिएँ म एक रात अरु । तर पहिले पहिलो साँझको पहिलो कार्यक्रम, "मालती मङ्गले" । हाम्रा राष्ट्रवादी कविवर माधव घिमिरेको यो सामन्तवादी, भाग्यवादी दु:खान्त नाटक हेर्ने कुरा त एक बहाना थियो, नेपाली नाट्यकला र कलाकारहरुलाई सशरिर निकट दर्शन गर्ने । गरियो । नाटकलाई एक पूर्वकलाकारको आँखाले शायद मैले भिन्दै हेरें । मलाई छुने एउटै कुरो रह्यो । नायिका लक्ष्मी श्रेष्ठको अभिनय । अरुले खै के हेरे, के देखे, मैले त उनलाई नाटकभरि 'ट्रान्स' को स्थितिमा अभिनय गरिरहेको देखें । त्यो साँघुरो मञ्च, ती लिलिपुट आकारका सेटहरुले उनको अभिनयलाई अलिकति पनि स्वसचेततामा झारेन । अरुहरु सचेत थिए । नाटक पछि लक्ष्मीसंग भेट भयो । भनिन्, "चिनें, तर अलि मोटाएछौ" । मोटाईको कुरै छाडौं । मभन्दा अग्ला अग्ला दुई सुकुमार छोराका बिचमा उभिएकी लक्ष्मीलाई जमाना अघि जस्तैको पाएँ । उनिसंग मेरो निकटतम संसर्ग भनेको १७-१८ वर्ष काठमाडौमा "रोमियो जुलियट" को रिहर्सल र मञ्चन हुँदा हो । उनिले "जुलियट" को भूमिकामा र मैले चाहिं उनलाई "रोमियो" सित बिहे गराईदिने पादरीको भूमिकामा अभिनय गरेका थियौं, त्यस नाटकमा । contd
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Prem Charo
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Posted on 06-04-05 12:29
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... श्रीकान्?त को कमेन्?ट पढेपछी सबै टाप ? There u go Srikant..... Prem charo Hawaii :)
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newuser
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Posted on 06-04-05 12:37
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Saroj, You filthy mind don't ever take my name again.
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 12:44
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HA HA YOU ARE PATHETIC!!!! DON'T BOTHER REPLYING!
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newuser
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Posted on 06-04-05 12:50
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तँलाई मैले धेरै पटक राम्रो मुखले मेरो नाम नलिइ, तँसंग म वहश गर्न चाहन्न भनिसके अव ह्यानत्यान भनेर मेरो कनसिरी नतता तैले। कुरा वुझिस?
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 1:20
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नत्र के गर्?छस्?? तेरो पोलितिसिएन अँकललाई भनेर मलाई पिट्?न आउन हो? The same politician uncles who you hope to get in power. No wonder you're so much into it. But you know what? It only makes me laugh at your बिग्?र्?या मति! थुक्?क चुत्?या!
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 1:22
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If you remember correctly it was I who asked you to let's leave the whole thing and forget about it. :)
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newuser
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Posted on 06-04-05 1:51
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I have repeatedly and sincerely told you not to take my name. That I do not want to debate with you anymore. You are free to write what you like and dislike but do not associate me. That's all. Again I tell you don't comment on me and on my writing. Kindly realize that I hate you. So do not associate me in your comments from now onwards.
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 1:59
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Ok now you're toning down a little. Be a good boy now. Be nice and I'll be nice :)
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newuser
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Posted on 06-04-05 2:05
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Again, don't teach me to be a good or a bad boy. You be good and glad for yourself. I know what I am up to. Saroj, let's not develope real animosity because of political principles. I will not comment on what you write and please do not comment on what I write. Neither I owe you something or you owe anything for me. Here we are, we knew each others clearly, so lets agree to cease arguments for ever. You can have the last say but do not try to be superior. Cheers mate.
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 2:12
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Newuser ok I'll let you have the last say now don't write to me anymore and keep your own words.
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Nepe
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Posted on 06-04-05 5:55
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Saroj wrote: ". . .let's fight over something as serious as democracy of our country by having backyard barbeque parties and dancing to Jhyaure and singing songs for some lady . . " I can not understand why this guy is freaking out with me having a fun-filled weekend with friends. Even a guy in our company who introduced himself as a "Mandale" enjoyed every bit of it- political guff-gaaff, bbq, jhaaure, ghazal, everything. And here is this Saroj guy who does not want to introduce himself as a "Mandale", but as a "relatively pro-king", is freaking out like a hell. Saroj bhaiya, how do you want me to spend my time ? By fantasizing about a person with opposite political view like you do ? Weren't you in some other thread fantasizing about finding one million dollars and giving it to Nepe to see if you can make him support the King like you do ? What a fantasy ! What a time pass ! Saroj biradar, I have seen some of your conversation with Newuser and others and let me tell you this- I have not seen that many people in Sajha who present as ridiculously self-contradicting logic as you do. When you are supporting the King curtailing freedom of expression in the country, you are exercising your democratic rights. But when somebody criticize your article, that is not an exercise of freedom of expression, right ? What is that ? Oh I remember, "intolerance" ! Saroj, it seems it's about time you start learning abcd of democracy before you start teaching Newuser. The first lesson for you would be this: Criticizing is not "intolerance", not allowing it is. Got it ? For illustration, What your freaking King is doing in Nepal is intolerance. And supporting that intolerance will also be intolerance by association. And this is not important but because I saw you lecturing about democracy and what not to Newuser, let me tell you this: Newuser is among very few responsible posters in Sajha. And as for knowing democratic value of freedom of expression, he works for an institution that has been defining 'freedom of expression' and 'responsibility' to the entire world. Let's say, he eats, drinks and sleeps the freedom of expression. Don't a supporter of a tyrant king dare to teach him what democracy is, Saroj fella.
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 6:07
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Nepe thanks for taking few moments to address me. I will be busy the rest of the weekend but will be back to hopefully have a decent discussion with you unlike other respectful and responsible posters who resort to calling names and have narrow minded view to accept that there are people who don't support the king but feel democracy and the oncoming politicians might not be a good solution for the country right now. I hope you're not another one of those closed minded people. Look forward to responding to you.
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Nepe
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Posted on 06-04-05 6:07
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just one more thing, if long-distance or cyber activism is useless, what the f--k are you doing in Sajha all these months, Saroj ? Self-contradicting logic ko pani had hunchha ni, yaar.
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Nepe
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Posted on 06-04-05 6:12
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Looking at your definition of democracy, openess and freedom, I very much might turn out to be a close minded person, Saroj. You might be wasting your time with me. Better go to fantasy or a doomsday fantasy to celebrate the King.
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saroj
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Posted on 06-04-05 6:29
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Nepe your last question, I will answer. There is no self contradiction when I talk about long distance cyber activism. I am not supporting any changes to the political system right now. So there's no need for me to go there. ON THE OTHER HAND you and your responsible friends are so concerned about the Dictator so why don't you put your mouth where your words are and be a true freedom fighter and go to NEPAL and do something about it, instead of fighting very safely with your desktop model of democracy fighting. Now that's where the self contradiction lies at. I know what democracy, openess and freedom means and yes it would be great if it could be implemented in Nepal. Even a two year old can say that. But, knowing the politicians who have plundered the country for the last decade, it's foolhardy for you to expect them to stand for the real meaning of democracy, openess and freedom.
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Posted on 06-04-05 6:51
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सरोज भाई, अलि ठूलो स्वरले फेरी भन तिमी राजाका भान्छेका छोरा हौ । तिम्रा कुराले त्यसै बताउछ । किन लाज पचाउछौ ।
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Nepe
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Posted on 06-04-05 7:01
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Saroj, If you are not into doing something for democracy in Nepal, in other words, if it is not your freaking business, then why are you so freaking and criticizing what others are doing ? No self-contradicting, huh ? Those who care about democracy, do whatever they can from wherever they are. And in this struggle for democracy, every support, physical or moral, from the land or from diaspora, small or big, matters. In any case, it is none of your freaking business, as you are yourself suggesting. By the way, if you think the King should get people's support, what the f--k are you doing in Europe ? Ki Nepal pugi sakera yeso bhaneko ? नेपालमै पुगेको भए, नेपालका हाम्रा सहयोद्धासंग यो कुरा गरम न । आजको समाचार सुनियो ? दश हजार वकिलहरुको संगठन 'नेपाल बार एसोशियसन' ले बाकाईदा मिटिङ बसेर राजाले अध्यक्षता गरेको सरकारलाई उल्टो लोप्पा ख्वाईदिएछन् । झण्डै १००० जना वकिलहरुको सहभागितामा सम्पन्न भएको बार्षिक साधारण सभाले शाही सरकारलाई चोर-सरकार घोषणा गर्दा विरोध जनाउने जम्मा ३ जना वकिल थिए रे । राजा समर्थकहरु कुन झ्याउरे गीतमा नाच्लान् अब ?
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Posted on 06-04-05 7:06
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Nepeji, Just leave this man alone who we all have known exactly what we ought to know about. Even King Gyanendra or T. Giri can't defend dictatorship as the way he does.As we know the bottom line of his paradoxical argument, there is absolutley nothing worthwhile to debate with him. I think I did a big mistake by arguing with him a couple of days ago about that 'tabloid prophecy' of Nepal's political future. It was too much for me and I dismissed that immidiately. Thereafter, he has got unnecessary attention from me which has helped accumulating a false belief in him that he is doing well in sajha discussion. Now, I am regretting for not ignoring him. Although democratic, I can't tolerate support for dictatorship and that forced me to indulge myself in a useless debate. Well, I would only say let's just ignore him now. We have many important things to write and discuss. I am planning to start a new discussion about how the parties should prepare themselves for the upcoming people's movement. And one thing, You have promised me, haven't you? Don't forget that. Let me request you to focus on the topic of this thread and let us know what happened in NY, the previous weekend. :)
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Posted on 06-04-05 7:50
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ल कुरो त राजनितिमा गेऽर ठोकिएछ। त्यो बार एसोसिएसन भन्ने त पाटीको ईशारामा चल्छ नि हजुर। प्र न्यायाधीश बुढा राजाको ईशारामा चले। अनि प्युठानको न्यायधिशलाई कार्यबाहि गर्यो नि यो शाही आयोगले। यो कुरा हनीहरुलाई मुन पर्ने र पच्ने कुरै हैन नि। बिरोध गर्छन् भनेर मैले त्यै दिनको भोलिपल्टतिर लेख्या थेँ। किन बिरोध गर्याछन्? के यो बिरोध बैधानिक छ त? छैन। भोलि बिहान आँफुलाई नि समात्ला भनेर बिरोध गर्या के। गोबिन्दे खुम बहादुर, चिरञ्जिबी विजय कुमार गद्दारहरुलाई थोरै थोरै धरौटीमा छोडेर पैसा खाने पनि यिनै हुन्।
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Nepe
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Posted on 06-04-05 7:59
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Newuser, साझाका केही कसैले नचिन्ने बेनामी पोस्टरहरुले आफुले जे पोस्टिङ गरे पनि हुन्छ, कसैले चिन्ने होईनन्, के को लाज, भनेर गैरजिम्मेवार पोस्टीङ गरेर, सहपोस्टरहरुलाई वाक्क ब्याक्क र साझालाई बदनाम गराएका छन् । साझा ईतर Real name बाट पोस्टीङ गरिने केही छलफल ग्रुपमा मैले साझाको नाम लिंदा जुन खिसिट्यौरी पाउँछु, त्यो हेर्दा त कम्ता रिस उठ्दैन यी भाते अनुत्तरदायी पोस्टरहरुसंग । मलाई लाग्छ, साझाले अनुत्तरदायी पोस्टिङहरु घटाउने उपाय अबलम्बन गरेन भने, यसका गम्भिर पोस्टरहरु गुमाउँदै जानेछ, प्रतिस्पर्धी छलफल समुहहरुमा । अनुत्तरदायी पोस्टिङहरु घटाउने एउटा उपाय के हुनसक्छ भने, बेनामी पोस्टरलाई कमसेकम एउटा अर्को नामधारी सहपोस्टरले चिनेको हुनुपर्ने । यो idea मेरो मनमा लामो समयदेखि थियो, तर यो साझावासी बिच लोकप्रिय वा वेबमास्टरलाई स्विकार्य होला नहोला भनेर त्यत्तिकै राखेको थिएँ । Anyway, त्यही सोचेर, मैले Newuser लाई चिनेको छु भनेर जनाएको हो है मैले । यहाँका ताल तालका पोस्टरलाई Newuser को परिचय नै दिन लागेको चैं होईन क्या । I'll keep my word, Newuser ji. On Saroj, yes, I know he is nothing but a "bundle of ridiculous paradox". I thought to let him know this for one time. That's all. I think I have already done that.
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