I'm from Mangolian family and doing Graduate study at US. I had/have lots of Aryain/Brahmin friends back in Nepal/US. Nowdays, I'm in extremly bad mood, reason is simple. Not all but some of my genius brahmin friends says "BHOTE" to Chinese/Japanese/Thai/Vietnamese/etc people. I don't know, unknowingly, that hurts me a lot. I become quickly upset. Can anyone give me suggestion, what to do?

I m magar, someone callin me bhote don't mean notthin as long as the tones rite, if u know what i mean... Its not like u call bahuns and newars and rest of them with different names.... it all depends on how u call 'em.... Now cut the crap out and start flyin into different direction....

ps.. happy tihar everyone... hopefully all the sisters get tons of money and the guys tons of booze i guess...
Its a small world and the time u spend in this earth is short, do what u think is best....


still...

Pagli ji,
afu pani gurung nai pareyo. malai pani same problem......hera na, katha haru, jahile pani eutai kura sodh chan....kina lahure huna nagayera padhana ayeko???? ani padheko keta haru le keti pawudai na hagi, lahure le ta roji roji pawucha hagi???
kya rish uth cha bhane. kun jamana ma baschan kunni!! thagera khana palke ko, thagna payena jat pat ko kura garera mood off gardo rahecha. malai address deu, saala bahun ko tupi kati dinchu.
pakai pani tyo bahun budu hola ra ta conservative cha, modern tapare haru ta testo chaina ni.

I was trying to avoid this thread but cannot stand this any more. As yo all know, there is a deep rooted race problem. Its not only with Bahun & CHettris but also with Mangolites, Newars and Madheises.

Every group call others with some names. But time is changing and we should stop racially motivated nicknames. We should be welcoming. Speak Out against racism. But do not take the way of violence. Violence brews more violence. Last thing we need is the war in the name of the race.

Peace out.

It's a disgrace for the tibetans (people from Bhot) to nickname some other races as Bhotes. Only they deserve to be called the PROUD '' BHOTES'' and no one else. The name has the prestige linked to it's deep rooted heritage , culture and the rich history ofthe ancient ''BHOT''i.e Tibet ,now unfortunately dominated by the Chinese.

Mind your language when you cal " bhotes" to the non -tibetans (merely of their mongoliod features or their budhist religiion,i.e.to chinese or japanese or to nepali -gurung or buddhist newar). By doing that you are only offending the true BHOTES...ie the tibetans.No one can be be called by that name but theproud Bhotes of BHOT themselves.
You don't deserve to be called BHOTES merely because you look like them .You have to be ONE to deserve the name.
Just in case ,If the pandit bajjes are trying to defame them, please ignore them. This is just an old cheap trick of the HINDU PANDITS TO DEFAME BUDDHISM ever since they started migrating to nepal .

dreamz,

what is the bottomline of every religion. peace, love & harmony. Especially what is Buddhism? Come on now, lets say no to discrimination. There are few bad apples every where. DO not blame the whole clan just beacuse of the few bad apples.

peace out

No we from KHAMPA and WE KICKASS in BADMAN sector. All u's that wanna git some, we prey-a-mantis on your Ass(drunken crane style). Just watch that NYPD-CSI-DOB-KOT-MGH-AARP. PEACE !

Pokharailo Thito -

"malai address deu, saala bahun ko tupi kati dinchu.
pakai pani tyo bahun budu hola ra ta conservative cha, modern tapare haru ta testo chaina ni. "

Your derogatory language is not one bit impressive and smacks of the same mindset present in the people you seek to condemn. I am not sure what your intent is but your racist and casteist slurs are in poor taste and don't contribute to the substance of this conversation . Any type of racial/casteist slur is deplorable - no matter whether a Bahun makes it or a Gurung.

Dreamz -

"Just in case ,If the pandit bajjes are trying to defame them, please ignore them. This is just an old cheap trick of the HINDU PANDITS TO DEFAME BUDDHISM ever since they started migrating to nepal "

Painting an entire community with such a broad brush and using language that can be percieved to be racist and casteist only belittles your argument. I firmly believe all racism and casteism - both overt and covert - need to be confronted and condemned but if you engage in such practices yourself you loose the moral authority to condemn others and become a hypocrite.

Again, the way to confront all forms of racism/casteism, I feel, is to deal with the perpetrators, take them to task, give them hell if you have to, but if you join the ranks of the perpetrators yourself by resorting to violence or abuse then you will only have strengthened their hands. The last thing we need in the conversation is more casteist slurs and innuendos as it distracts from the core of an important issue like this - this is a profound issue that affect many but is something only a few have chosen to speak about and deal with.

Capt Haddock,

Enjoyed reading your posts. Your take on this whole issue of racism cum casteism pretty much echoes my own sentiments, and I fully second your opinions on this, especially your dual-pronged deduction on the way to deal with such social ills viz 'F*cking 'em all' and 'Taking pride in oneself and one's heritage'. Yes, until and unless we can stand up to and fight the 'perpetrator' head on, this grotesque reality of caste-fascism will carry on reigning supreme. And being self-aware but most of all, having an informed and resolute stance on what matters to one - the issues at stake, will be key to tackling this all-pervasive nature of discrimination that exists in our society. Pagli's is a classic case in point but one that may well be only a tiny fraction of what is out there already.

I remember reading an interesting article in Kantipur some time ago on Dalit issues and the trend of some of the Dalit leaders' changing surnames to suit their immediate situations. Is this a necessity, I thought, borne out of perhaps the prevailing social status quo that is still failing to create an inclusive environment? If yes, then would this trend help the wider Dalit cause? I thought not - by changing one?s surname will do nothing in the way of getting to eradicate the wholesale injustice that permeates our social landscape. It does quite the opposite instead: promote the hysteria of inferior-mindedness amongst wider Dalit communities, and by implication, encourage the society further to stick to its ills. I know, one's changing of surname is purely a matter of personal choice rather than principle but then, one would have found in all this, only a temporary solution to what is a much greater and graver problem, and shying away from confronting it will only help perpetuate it.

Thanks and have a good day.
Carpe diem

Oooh la la..heavy stuff,Capt Haddock. All rise for those in favour for Capt haddock and his teachings..er.. views i mean. hee hee....but laughs aside, yea, im completely with you on this one.I'm a Matwali too, and proud of it to boot. You can always choose the company u keep can't you? Three cheers for you then Haddock !Care for an ale one draughty evening? You could impart your wisdom.. re kya!!
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Indisguise, typos ho ki ? whats the other thread doing in here? Am glad you know of it though, ihave been getting catty msgs from a few ppl about my nick :P unhappy ppl that they are!

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Sandhurst lahure, am just wondering.... you a real life, honest-to-goodness lahure? My curiousity has been piqued. Do tell if its ok with ya?

Gone with the wind re ...

Scarlett,
Yes, a real life, honest-to-goodness lahure who has all the hallmarks of the irresistible Darcy! :) Definitley. But you'll never know - you've not seen him half as much. :)

Good to see you cruising as ever.

Oho! Men in uniform, they do tend cause wee somersaults in the tummy region!
I assume you are in the British Gurkha Regiment then? They are a smart looking lot,I'll have to say.
And what have i not seen half as much? That went over my head.

Gon with the wind....

Men in uniform eh - causing 'wee summersaults'! What's the use of the uniform anyway!
Yes in the British Gurkhas. Smart looking re! Heheheheh - no that I cannot assure I'm afraid! A cross between Woody Allen and Bart Simpson - remember!
:))

So bottomline is "Together we stand, divided we fall". Its good to see people speak out against racism. Lets discourage any sort of racism. Let us all stand together for it. If there is any issue lets deal with them in case by case and not blame whole race or cast or clan. After all, we all are Nepali.

Peace out

Highfly,

Indeed. The concept of 'divide and rule' is a convenient social contruct, created by the so-called high caste (rulling) elite, so there is an outlet for them to still carry on perpetrating the most inhuman of oppressions and exploitation, resisting any suggestion of change in the existing status quo. Racism has no place in the present society which thrives on plurarism and its egalitarian ethos.

Have a good day/

Stop press: The last sentense should read - Racism has no place in the present 'day' society which thrives on plurarism and its egalitarian ethos.

Sandhurst Lahure - Rock on, mate! It may take a long time for us to live in a truly casteless society but, as I am sure you will agree, the struggle is worth every bit of it. I am at times amazed at how pervasive casteism has become in our culture even amongst many of the younger people.

Scarlett - On the way home this evening I saw a restaurant called Magnolia and chuckled to myself as it reminded me of the book and your nickname for some odd reason. Sorry, couldn't resist ...he he ... I too did wonder about your nick name but having a rather uncreative one myself didn't think it in my best interests to broach the subject:). On a more serious note, the intent behind posting on this thread was never to pontificate and I'd say it is unfortunate if any of this comes across to you as such.

To good life and peace.

:)

क्?यापटेन ह्?याडग
Your Gandhi Badh will not work here. All the fellow are not bad but there are very few people who creates such a problem in society and we must take care.
एउटा कुहिएको अ।लुलाइँ राम्रो अ।लूको टोकरीबाट ननिकाल्?नै पछँ भन्?ने मेरो मान्?याता हो
This is for everyone whether you are mangol or aryan. Cutting टुप्?पी is just a small gesture and he deserve it. If too much then must act otherwise you will lose your identity. अत्?याचार गनुँ पाप हो भने अत्?याचार सहनु झनै माहा पाप हो
You can imagine how our people are suffering at remote village. अमेरिकामा पढ्?न अ।उनेलाइँ त यस्?तो भन्?छन्? भने नेपालको गाउँमा बस्?नेको के स्?थीती होला
I guess pagli is suffering without any reson/cause

pagli, be proud of your background.. names are superficial... underneath we are all the same... don't let those dumb friends get to you. They are obviously so ignorant not to know the difference among so many different cultures.

"Your Gandhi Badh will not work here"

What Gandhibad are you talking about? Read again. The thrust of my argument is confronting casteism while not abandoning the moral principles behind the issue. As for your other racially charged comment , it is sheer hypocrisy and negates any merit there might have been to the rest of your argument.

It does not seem to matter how an educated a Nepali is, he always looks things from the caste point of view. The only difference being that the educated Nepalis hide their caste bias at the back end and show something different in the front end.

I don't know why they think of this Bhote Category or Dhoti Category?

I knew a person who thought all those who came from India, and particularly
in whose religious and so called sacred ceremony wearing of a Dhoti is a must,
were kept in the Dhoti category.

He was fond of telling everyone that those whose pundits wear a dhoti for a religious ceremony, they themselves wear a dhoti in their religious ceremony, have the loudest mouths calling Indians as Dhoti just to prove that they are NOT dhotis but in fact their
origin is still a dhoti. If a dhoti is their sacred garment, then they should accept themsevels of being of a dhoti.

It is an idiotic view, but I am not surprised to see this thread getting longer and longer. The CASTE bias is inherrent in most Nepalis, regardless of your outlook outwardly.

Please touch your heart and ask yourself if you totally free from caste bias.