Everyday thousands of people pray to God ask for things from him because it makes them feel better about it. For some it's the fear of the unknown. 

There is nothing God can do and the reason is very simple. The reason lies in the relativity and circular logic.

For example let's take us, human beings. We go about doing our own things. Let's say someone sneezes sending particles into the air. Each particle can develop millions of micro organisms within the particle. We cannot go deep into the sub nuclear level to see what goes on in there. There could be civilizations within that particle. There could be an organism which fears God and the god is the human being who sneezed.

In the same way, in the realm of our God, the whole milky way could be a speck of dust particle floating in God's environment. The God Civilization is completely unaware of this speck of dust but this speck of dust contains the whole universe, the whole milky way and the unexplanable void beyond which is just too large for the organisms within that speck of dust to comprehend. We do see how electrons and nucleus acts similar to the solar system so I draw the parallel universe comparision from there.

For each level of God there can be sub level creations and it can go on a circular way till we reach back on the starting God since everything about relative sizes. Relative sizes in one reality may be vastly different in different realities including different time cycles.

In conclusion, since GOD cannot ever experience or observe the minute sub sub atomic existence of their creation, they cannot in any way affect their life cycles. 

So don't worry about God, and enjoy life for what it's worth.

PS: Don't take this too seriously. I just had some time to burn and this thought had been dwelling as a possibility since the god discussion some time back

____ bro,

you tend to blame the evil of mankind to god. Not all men are evil brother. But the powers that be are evil. Men make wars, there is a lot of money in war. People make profits out of misery. I know you know that. Most, of not all, problems are created by men. It is greed mostly.

Also do understand that from a scientific viewpoint, there was indeed a time when there was no time. You do agree on that dont you?. Such a dimension, as there is no time, also would not follow the other laws of Life that we are aware of. Is it not then possible that God could exist in this dimension and be eternal?.  

 Thanks my friend, at least you agree on existence of different gods now I can add one more point to the following list

1.What god can do or cant do is unknown
2. Who is god unknown
3.Whose god is real god, unknown
4. God regretted
now,
5. Different gods exists

Because Christian say universe was created by their god, Jews say by their god, Muslims said by their god and Hindu said by their god you also accepted the cake can be made by your mother, my mother, sisters/prachanda, baburam etc

 Why we need differen gods ? are different gods fighting among themselves to control the universe, otherwise whye are they creating divisions among humans? if it is so then they are not god.

different religions said god first created universe, till date universe looks like  very well designed if it was designed by someone ( if more evidence is available to the contrary, we can change this concept). 

But we know  humans have many weaknesses, that is why we indulge upon so many non logical activities and we all know god regretted for messing up in this creation.

How come the entity who created such a vast universe which scientist are able to know only 4% of it ( your version), failed to make one presence among humans in this tiny earth? why there are Hindu god/Christian/god/Jews god and so on?

why in the tiny place of jeresuleum he had to be present in three form, as Christian god, as Muslim god and as Jews god?

How is it logical to believe that the entity which failed make one presence in little place created such a vast universe?


you tend to blame the evil of mankind to god.

No my friend you got me completely wrong. How can I blame someone whose existence I have not verified? can you blame someone who you are not sure of existstance?

looks like you also are also confused about my intention, actually I am  also looking for such a wonderful entity. 

let me give you some example if you go to Best Buy to buy a laptop, dont you look for technical specification? will you accept if the best buy guy handed you a desktop and said here is your laptop , dont you verify it ? because you know what laptop is dont you?

Will you accept if the best buy guy gave you a I pad and tells you this is laptop pay me 500, will you agree on that?
You want to buy a laptop for certain task, may be you wnated to use microsoft office suit in it, but you can not use Microsoft office suit in I pad
so even though best buy guy says it is a laptop, it looks sleekly, nice but it does not serve your purpose and  you know accepting the I pad as laptop is a foolish thing to do.
And if best buy has laptop why the guy is not selling it to you? Why he is not telling the truth? what is his problem?? you asked for laptop and he is trying to convince you Ipad is laptop, something fishy going on isn’t it ? 

same analogy here

if God exists as omnipotent/omnipresence all in one power , it does not harm me, I would really like to follow god, no doubt about that but isnt it my right to convince myself just to make sure that the entity i want to follow is really a  god as envisaged in different understanding of  god?

so, when I try to verify gods potency verses his creation , it does not match, I am surprised my friend, I don’t want to buy I pad thinking it is a laptop, it won’t serve my purpose. Using I pad, you can do many things as laptop, but you cannot use Microsoft office suit, so my purpose is not fulfilled.


Or do you think we should have Blind faith in god ? are we talking about blind faith here? 
my friend you should know blind faith can take you to av very dangerous path, I have brain, I want to use it 

Trust me my friend, if I find a verifiable evidence of existence of the god, I will blame him for our weakness, no doubt about that.
but for now, I don’t have any verifiable evidence to support the existence of god, so blaming an imaginary entity for our weakness is a foolish thing to do, I blame either ourselves or the teachings of society for our evil weakness.


But I have a question for you,

If Microsoft makes a very bad software which does not work properly, have many weaknesses, whom you blame for the weakness of that software ??
Apple company or Microsoft or the user of the software?
blaming Apple for the weakness of Microsoft software designed to be used in window PC is foolish thing to do isn’t it ?
and blaming users for the  weakness in software is islo not logical whom do you blame then??
And it is ok to blame Microsoft for its weakness no?

You  claim the existence of god and also claim that human s are created by god, so who is responsible for the weakness of human ? 
me ????? or the creator??
my friend you are blaming human for their weakness not its creator how logical is that?

you also said god regretted, then god must also have realized the weakness of his creation, why are you afraid of telling the truth to god, are you afraid that he will punish if you tell him the truth??

If god knows there is a weakness, why he is not correcting it in new generation? is he incapable of doing so ?

my friend so called believers actually have portrayed god as a  dictator, which needs only praise, devotion and blind follower. we are responsible for his weakness, everything good is attributed to him and everything ba d is attributed to human ?

This definition perfectly fits for a dictator isn’t it? 

don’t ask for evidence
don’t talk about weakens, because he has none, He did everything in this universe except the bad things, are we talking about god or a North Korean dictator? 
It is not me who is doing this, it is the believers who are doing this, so don’t blame me

Regarding myself,  you have said many things my friend but let me tell you 

If god exists, it doesn’t bother me, I will happily follow god, I can not follow blindly, I am just looking for evidence. 

By the way one believer even told like this 

भगवान ले सबै  तिर विचार पुरयानु हुन्छ , भगवान ले जे जति बनाउनु भएको छ धेरै सोच विचार गरेर बनाउनु भएको छ , अब हाम्रो अनुहर लाई नै हेर्नुस न , नाक बनाइ  ड्या छ, कान बनाइ ड्या   छ, सुघ्न लाई त नाक नै बनाउन पर्छ भन्ने छैन नि

 भगवान ले सबै  तिर विचार पुरयानु हुन्छ , भगवान ले जे जति बनाउनु भएको छ धेरै सोच विचार गरेर बनाउनु भएको छ , अब हाम्रो अनुहर लाई नै हेर्नुस न , नाक बनाइ  ड्या छ, कान बनाइ ड्या   छ, सुघ्न लाई त नाक नै बनाउन पर्छ भन्ने छैन नि ? छ र ? सुन्न लाई त  कान नै बनाउन पर्छ भन्ने छैन नि छ र ? तर भगवान लाई थाहा थ्यो एकदिन मान्छे को आँखा कम्जोर हुन्छ , उसलाई चस्मा लगाउन पर्ने हुन्छ , ल भन्नुस, नाक र कान नबनाई ड्या भए हामीले चस्मा कसरि अदाउने?  तेस्तो हुनुहुन्छ भगवान .

 

बिचार सोझा साझा मानिस हरु  भगवान ले चस्मा अदाउन को लागि हामी लाई नाक र कान बनैदियेरा ठुलो कृपा गरे वनेर जे जे कर गर्दै बस्छन 

Do you really buy this type of arguments? 

@____ bro,

Me: "God made this world. We dont know how many legs he has or if any at all"

Hindu: "God made this world. He has one leg."

Christian: "God made this world. He has 2 legs"

Muslim: "God made this world. He has 3 legs."

Then god appears and he has 15 legs. So we would all have been right about god making this world.
Religion would have been wrong about how many legs he has. If he had no legs, we would all still have
been right about god making the world.

Religion is only an attempt to understand god. If God appeared and he had 1 leg, then hinduism would have
been right, rest would be wrong about their descriptions about god, but they would still be right about
divine existence.

Our expectiones of God are our own in design. We tend to blame god for the shortcomings of humanity.
You talked about our physical features but can you make a human being better than what god made?.
Try to make a human being from nothingness that is better than us. Better still, use all the raw materials
god has provided and make a better human. A sentient creation not a robot.

Perhaps, we are the ones who take omnipotence too far. To be a creator, omnipotence/omniscience is
unnecessary. God might be limited in his powers but might exists simply as a much higher level of
power than we humans. For example, maybe you can do 100 push ups, god can do 10 million push ups.
That itself is worthy of praise and admiration. Maybe god cannot do a billion push ups, that would
be an expectation of us humans, not the abilities of god.

The concept of "NO TIME" has been put forward by science. That also opens the concept of "NO SCIENCE".
This dimension where there is no time, no science, opens a lot of possibilities. An eternal god could
exist in such a dimension.

At the end of the day it's all about possibility. It's possible god exists and its possible he does not exist.

Tou really dont want to be too cocky about some possibility. Reminds me of basketball game where one team begins to celebrate victory when 1 second is left. And the other team scores a three pointer from the other end of the court and wins the game. It would be foolish to assume that possibility of god existing is higher because of gut feeling.

Its as possible as saying its possible that there will be some gold coins under your pillow when you wake up tomorrow morning. Of course anything is possible but you dont want to believe it till you wake up tomorrow and feel the gold coins under the pillow.

Just because someone says god exists you dont have to entertain the possibility.

You have to be really gullible to believe if someone says gold coins are going to appear out of nowhere. Your belief is determined by the level of your intelligence.

But then you could say such things never happen so why would i entertain such a possibility. But you dont have difficulty entertaining the possibility that god exists who created the whole universe and time.

What if time itself is infinite which seems more likely than another being from another dimention creating the dimension of time.

It seems like the likelihood of you wanting god to exist is hihger than the likelihood of god existing.

Soon you will go mentally crazy.
This is based on your posts here.
Get psychiatric help ASAP rethink

Stallon you worry about your family. Dont worry about others who are beyond the realm of your control.

;)

 So, lets come to the topic of the thread, "you dont neeed to fear the god"

so far 

1.What god can do or cant do is unknown
2. Who is god unknown
3.Whose god is real god, unknown
4. God regretted
5. Different gods exists
6.Gods creation is not perfect

If we believe in Islam last time god sent a prophet to help human was approximately 1500 yrs ago, 
Before that god found it  necessary to sent prophet every few hundered yrs, Budhha /Christ/Muhammad, 
If there is a god , looks like either he abandoned human or felt no necessary of sending a prophet

Or may be, because now  you can not sell the story of you being prohpet to mass, no one is going to believe you ,

Yes people have tried, few examples, Sai baba/kunni k baba, Rajanish and many others have claimed in Christianity too, but all failed to leave permanet mark. This also shows that Once human became analytical then number of miracles/majic and prophecy went down.

1500 years and  human survived without any new prophet, 

Exixtance of god is only  in stories, in some peopels feelings  and in books which some claim to be words of god, other than that there is no dirrect evidence of its existance, 

So you really dont need to fear God, why fear a entity whose existance we can not proove?

I don't know whether god exists or not. But the fear of god is what keeps many people from doing wrong. I studied in one class that the first laws in this world were made based on morality created from religion. We all know what would happen if there are no laws. Yes, there are the bad people, namely so called religious gurus saying to be the spokesperson for the god, and taking advantage of this. But to the commoners, the god - whatever its name or form be, is required so that there is harmony in the society. The irony is that religions also are the reason that create disharmony, war and violence in the society; but it's not the god, it's us.

God may never exist and might just be the images created in our minds. But it gives me strength, hope, and support, and prevents me from the wrongdoings with the fear that I will be punished. God is what I pray to when I become hopeless and weak; it may all be only in my mind and psychology; but it works as a medicine and guides me to the right path.

It may be god or it might simply be a natural cycle but I believe there is a system that works to punish us for our misdeeds and rewards us for our gooddeeds. We may not see it; we may not know it; it may be very late; but there is something in our nature working something similar to the wheel of karma.

Conclusion: we do need to fear god (don't mistake it for the brand names from the religions or the statements from the so-called religious gurus).

If fear of god keeps you from doing something wrong then it means that you do not have a good conscience. If you are intelligent human being, then you can distinguish what is right and wrong.

I agree that for people who are not intelligent enough to distinguish what is right and what is wrong, religious dictates come in handy for them.

 Having a conscience is what makes us Human. Without it we would be just another Animal. Believers of god would say God put that in us but have no proof. Non believers would say its part of the natural selection of evolution, not god.
But you take your pick you want the red pill or the blue pill, the end of your journey will depend upon the path you take. Which nobody knows for sure.  

Conscience cannot be guided by science and has no definition for what is right or wrong.
Morality is not a scientific process.
To the conscience of the Nazis, killing the jews was moral. So thus there exists no
objective moral values inherent to human nature. Our conscience has been guided by
religious values which takes God as a source for morality.

If something is known, it defeats the very purpose of being an Unknown. There would be no need of faith
in such a situation. Something that exists in a dimension which has no time, no physics, will not subscribe
to our logic.

To use a simple analogy, here is what you are saying,

1) I am going to propose to this girl. I wonder if she is going to accept my wedding proposal. (Unknown)

2) I have already booked a wedding date and venue.

3) I have already bought a wedding ring.

4) I have already sent out the wedding invitations.

5) She slapped me yesterday.

6) IF she doesn"t marry me, she does not exist.

Not only does what you say contradict point number 1, but are also nonsensical in nature. However, there
would be less contradictions if she has sent you a valentines day card before, or given you a kiss, or winked
at you, or hinted to her friends that she loves you. 

 To the conscience of the Nazis, killing the jews was moral. So thus there exists no 
objective moral values inherent to human nature. Our conscience has been guided by 
religious values which takes God as a source for morality.

Those who think religion is needed to do something right, aren't doing it right. How can you say you did a good thing out of your heart, when you were doing it in fear of some repercussion from a higher order? That's being forced, not guided.

Just as you would resort to a religious scripture to know what's wrong and what right, which by the way is subjected to an infinite number of interpretations, non-religious bunch resort to their heart to tell what's right or what's wrong. Hurting a fellow human being is wrong, you don't need a scripture to tell you that. Conscience is what your heart interprets, not what your eyes read.

The inner sense of what is right and wrong is individualistic in nature. For example, recently buddhist monk self immolated, to his conscience and to many of those who believe in such measures, their conscience will not wrong such an action.

Whereas i do agree morality is complex, understanding it from a divine perspective makes more sense. Religion can at least help us explore it to a certain extent. In contrast, Atheism leaves no accountability.

The other issue is rising above humanity, the goodness of self sacrifice or mercy also do not make sense from an Atheist perspective. Religion can motivate such morality in a person.

Freedom,"Whereas i do agree morality is complex, understanding it from a divine perspective makes more sense. Religion can at least help us explore it to a certain extent. In contrast, Atheism leaves no accountability."

Let me bring you back to earth. As they say there is no use crying over spilled milk. Now praying is not going to help but paying will. So an Atheist will pay not pray, now thats accoutability for you son. I do not believe in any religion, does that make me less moral ? I THINK NOT. YOU DO NOT NEED RELIGION LIKE A WALKING STICK IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CONSCIENCE(NATURE) AND A STRONG MORAL BACKGROUND(NURTURE).

@Bathroom,

I had heard of nature v/s nurture but not this one. So, you are using both nature and nurture
on your side to prove your point. I find that contradictory to a point you are trying to make.

Anyways, that is my point that conscience and morality need to be nurtured. But you see
that Prachanda also nurtured thousands to kill people. Suicide bombers are also nurtured. So,
nurturing without a source of objective morality makes no sense. And look at your use of language,
calling me "son", now that tells a lot about your nurturing also doesnt it?.

Now could you please elaborate on the "strong moral background". And also kindly tell me how moral
values like compassion, self sacrifice, forgiveness fit into your context of nurturing.

Freedom
"However, there 
would be less contradictions if she has sent you a valentines day card before, or given you a kiss, or winked 
at you, or hinted to her friends that she loves you. "

Yes, you could arrive at the conclusion she loves you if she had send you any valid demonstration of her feelings like with a card, kiss, wink. But, alas in the case of God, god has not given you any demonstration whatsoever, yet you are 100% sure of his existence.

You provide all sorts of analogies and examples which actually contradict your own faith, so maybe you should stop trying to waste your and everyone's time.

As far as bottom line goes, if you say something exists then you are the one that has to prove it.

Your stance about morality through religion is wrong. Morality comes from one's nurturing as bathroomcoffee said. When a baby is born, his morality is blank. The mom, dad, family and society puts morality into the child. You are confused at this point because most of the moms/dads/families are heavily influenced by religion so you fail to understand the difference between morality instilled by surrounding/nurturing and that by religion.

You are right atheism leaves no accountability but that's also true for religeous folks who are not intellectually of sound capability. We have seen both followers of religions and non believers commit heinous crimes and the crimes have more to deal with the personal tendencies of individuals than of religion or lack thereof.

So back to square one. Without any proof over the last thousands of years, all religious supernatural phenomenon are nothing but cheap publicity and folk tales. As civilizations have become more intelligent, there are less and less cases of charlatans trying to trick people into believing divine powers.

If you believe in those things, it just points to your lack of intellectual capabilities which makes you easility susceptible of falling for those folktales and stories of grandeur.

@ Rethink,

dunno why i am reminded of this punjabi  joke, maybe you have heard it before.

A punjabi was walking on the road and he slipped on a banana skin and fell. It hurt bad. The next day he was walking on the same road, and on the road was the same banana skin. The punjabi said to himself, "oho aaaj bhi fisalna padega."

 Freedom -- I know why.

You're proving yourself to be that punjab ji. (I don't know who left that banana skin on the road, hence it should be God) :)

First, I am impressed by your ability to stand by your convictions, which is a rare thing. However, it is also typical of a religious nutjob (although you claim not to be one) who defies logic by illogical arguments and presses that he's using logic and everyone is illogical. 

So, if you want to defend religion and its supposed morality, i think you'll be more successful if you do not take that slippery slope of logic and rationality.

I would have more respect for you if you grew a pair, manned up and say, YES I CANNOT USE RATIONALITY TO DEFEND GOD, BUT I STILL BELIEVE IN HIM.