I'm from Mangolian family and doing Graduate study at US. I had/have lots of Aryain/Brahmin friends back in Nepal/US. Nowdays, I'm in extremly bad mood, reason is simple. Not all but some of my genius brahmin friends says "BHOTE" to Chinese/Japanese/Thai/Vietnamese/etc people. I don't know, unknowingly, that hurts me a lot. I become quickly upset. Can anyone give me suggestion, what to do?

Captain Haddock, you just had to ask and i would have revealed.Rather lofty ideals floating around here, there ought to be more of these like minded ppl .Personally, i have never cared for jaatbhat either.It's very clear that for a long time the ruling class has manipulated the mass, esp the simple folk. It thrives still, in this day and age.It needs to be eradicated but it will take alot of time and will. Cheers to that.
On a lighter tone though, its nice to be thought of, be it due to some restaurant's name! You have been reading huh? Pls do pontificate on... i need to look that word up.. uff:P

Sandhurst, hurrah for you. The "marathoner" up to hi antics again despite his grilling chedule of endless potterings ;)
What kinda uniform anyway? oops. This is a rather serious sounding thread and here i am, being me.Apologies to those offended hai.

Nirwan, i touched my heart ke,,,,, and blushed a lil.I may have unwittingly been a lil biased every now and then. The point tho is to rectify it aint it?

gone with the wind!

Capt Haddock,
Yes indeed, worth every bit of it. Ours may well be a far-fetched utopian dream but we'll get there some day. M. Luther King's vision of a one nation, a biasless utilitarian society perhaps has come a long way in America too since his epoch-making speech - I have a dream.. one day.. - but his dream is definitely getting somewhere. This discussion reminded me of my reading a captivating essay by the Cantabian Gita Mehta in her book - The Glimpses of India - on Dr Ambedkar. An 'untouchable' who went on to do two doctorates from Columbia and London and another degree later, and lived to see himself drafting India's constitution which abolished 'untouchability' and all forms of discrimination. He is reputed to have said that the constitution was a mere piece of paper until it was inscribed on the hearts of its citizens. That 'inscription on the hearts' might take a long while for it to happen in our case but it's something worth waiting for.

Scarlett dear, we'll talk about the marathoner and his ubiquitous uniform at some other opportune time if I may. Long may he live and his countless potterings!

Carpe diem

At ease yet soldier, it must be still very early in the morn for ya.. glad to have u bk.

Gone with the wind...

everybody have red blood guys..so just forget about jaat vaaat....we are educated and very wide minded generation ...so just dont stretch it too long....stop it rite now here.....god bless us all..jaye nepal...

O'Hara, that was not a typo, but a big time blunder. I had couple of windows open. Mostly, I just copy paste the shit and read it on MS word and minimize the windows. Just lost in translation sweetie. Got to do it that way... lest I invite trouble at work. :)

Do I know or do I know... Like I said, I have gone thru it 3-4 times. It's been many years. I seem to have some weird taste for a young lad even for back then, in fact, a very young lad. But these classics are for my solitude.

Catty messages? Brush it off with gaiety my dear, it's all good in the hood.;)

IndisGuise:)

You doing well then indisguise? Blunder explanined,,thanx.:)
Read it again then.. whats stopping ya?

Gone.,..

Nirwan,

People call dhoti to the people who wear dhoti in their everyday life. Not to the people who wear dhoti in their religious ceremony.
Dhotis that people put on in religious ceremonies are different from that dhoti people wear in India and Nepal just to get rid of the hot weather and the one that women put on.
And people call dhoti to the people who are Indians not just coz they are of Indian origin because of the hatred against Indian policies towards Nepal.
So calling dhoti is not for ethnicity, it is the matter of nationality.

I just checked with my friend and he stands by his comment.

He specifically says that dhotis are those who are of the Indian origin, like Chetri, bahun, Newar of the Indian origin side, Ranas, Shah, Thakuri, etc., regardless of what they wear now. It is a different matter now they do not wear a dhoti but their sacred garment remains a dhoti. Their pundits wear a dhoti. A dhoti is a dhoti how you wear it. And a dhoti mind is a dhoti mind and does not matter where you live. People of the dhoti groups also continue to believe that they go to heaven if they die in Kashi (Benaras). What is the meaning of Janani janmabhumishcha swargadapi?.etc. if breathing last in a foreign land is still considered a heavenly pleasure?

My own view is that we must stop this non-sense. I have yet to see a Nepali who is not caste biased, this seems to happen in educated lot too whether they live in Delhi, Dallas, New York, New Delhi, London, or anywhere else. I will be bias to mention that this bias is more prevalent among the ?dhoti? groups mentioned above. They take a small Nepal mentality whereever they go to.

I again say that educated people living anywhere from Nepal only appear to be unbiased when it comes to a caste bias but from inside they are the ones who carry the bias. Durga Pokhrel once said in an interview that she is from a high caste. As long as you carry that biased mentality, you can be sure that the radical changes are needed to improve our social system in Nepal.

We can stop discussing this topic, but it will remain in the minds of the people --- a caste bias.

It seems many of us are incapable of taking about caste and race without hurling racist/casteist slurs and innuendos. The last couple of comments on the "dhoti" are malicious and ooze with hypocrisy besides being a load of bullshit totally devoid of any intellectual merit.

Yes, casteism is pervasive amongst expats and resident Nepalese alike and this discussion only reinforces that notion. Why look for casteism elsewhere when we've seen it right here on Sajha on this and other threads. On the question of whether there are people out there who have excorcised their demons of casteism, I would hope so, but it's a pity many of them have chosen not to speak out on this issue. Anyone with basic thinking capacity knows casteism in its various forms is wrong no matter who engages in it. If some people chose to deny this fact or find excuses to justify prevailing casteist trends, their attitude is merely a reflection of the abject intellectual poverty of their minds and won't get them far in life.

What a bluff,

Nirwan, man, I think you have some problem understanding simple english if the remark above was for me.
"Calling dhoti is not for ethnicity, it is the matter of nationality."
Kashi is a holi city, just as much as Kathmandu, just as much as Jeruselam and Mecca, Medina. Are you saying that if every muslim wishes to go to Mecca or Medina should love Saudi Arabia more than his/her own country? What kind of remark is that?
You wanna make such remark again, you wanna put it into humor section, not in kurakani. And remember, It was a Shah, who united Nepal, to whom you are now in the verse of calling a dhoti.
And just having a discussion on casteism doesn't reinforces that notion. Yes, it does, in a sense that it is still there, but it is the truth. Something you can't escape. No one can come up with an ultimate solution of this problem, but the more we discuss on it, it is more likely that we can come up with a better idea of respecting each other.
And let's not challenge everyone to have their opinions shared on this for I have seen it has been raised too much that it is now exceeding the line of hyper-sensitivity.

What the heck !!. If i am a thakuri with Mongolian look( as most of the pure thakuri's does..having the Mongolian looking ancestors as mentioned by DHOR BAHADUR BISTA), I dont become chinese or japanese or Bhote .Do I?

And someone who has aryan features doesnt become Paki or Dhoti.We all are simply nepalese.

It 's just the mentality,' to criticize and bring the societal barriers ',' we Nepalese are brought up with ....that becomes abusive at times.

Why do Manisha koirala still said to have 'Chinky Look' and even played as 'Northeastern' in the movie 'Dilse' by the Indians themselves...when we from Nepal may think she infact is from the 'Dhoti' category you have given.

Why can't we pick the similarities we have in common instead of seeing the differences.