Have any DV winners got decent job in USA? I see most of DV winners landing in Gas station or restaurant jobs. This makes me feel jealous because they have no degree , no good experience and they are permanent resident of USA!!!!! But some of our friends have good education, decent job, and ample of experience and they still have to worry about their status.
Why doesn't US Government pass a bill that allows only masters or PHD eligible for DV? I know it is a possible brain drain for a country like Nepal, but at least this helps possible डेक्‍ची driver to flock to USA.
just my opinion.... i welcome your logical anger

khaobaadi - i don't understand your question ke!!!!!!!!! :) :)


anyonelse have the gut to argue with me?? come on up!!!
one more thing DV people not only don't know how to write but they don't even know who to talk ke as in talk to people with some decent manners ke!!!!!!!!
i am running out of quotas for the day but will be happy to contiue my fight to stop the damn the DV tomorrow ke! see ya all tomorrow! :) :)

Nails
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"nailed" him/her in a debate means defeated someone decisively with strong arguments.
OR
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Well guys, healthy discussions are always good. Let's not start throwing garbage to eachother here.
What I know about DV system is, USA started DV system to attrack cheap labor from underepresented country. As we know the education system out there is the best in the world and it's not hard to find skilled man-power. What they lack is ...cheap man power for low paying jobs. That's why, they have very few criterion to apply for DV. In constrast, you can give a glance to Candian PR system which has many more critetion to be be qualified to apply for PR because Canada needs skilled labor unlike US.
And, regarding the DV winners status in US, it's hard to generalize. Those people who had caliber, are doing good and living a comfortable US life while there are many who are working at gas stations, resturants or store jobs to earn the livelihood.
There goes my 2 cents.
:)

Nails sweetie,

Controversy should be your middle name. ;)

I do not think people hate you. But you have used "hate" frequently while you talked about DV winners. Being jealous is fine, not agreeing on the way they hand over the lottery is fine too, and I would go as far as saying ignoring or ranting to those who treated you unfairly just because they have DV is fine too. However, what is not fine is, you generalize every DV winner by randomly associating percentage, i.e., 99% undeserving people and then claming you hate those people, just because.

Say you do not like system; hate the way they hand over DV even though you have seen people who would always remain a mere laborer. That is okay, that is your opinion. Fine! Do I feel each of them deserve the DV? NO. But then again, that is why it is called lottery. But you can not just keep on attacking them like that. You said you know many DV families that made your life hell. Okay. But there are thousands who have done nothing to you. Why do you hate them? I myself feel that there has to be higher and strict criteria for DV application, but America is not owned by my Pop. Catch my drift? Hehe:p

Expressing your opinion is fine, but when it hurts many other people that have done nothing to you and their only crime was - well, they won a lottery, is not cool.

Also, you have to remember that this majority of undeserved - in your words - DV winners are first generation immigrants. They may not be able to achieve much but think about the opportunity their children will have. The sky is the limit for them.

Does not mean we can not achieve what they could. We just have to work a little harder. In any case sweetie, life is not fair, so stop expecting it to be.

You are a sweetheart, not a hater. Common be yourself. Stop hating. Hatred breeds hatred. If you have that much against them, just dislike them. Okay? LOL.

Now say YES and hajmola khawo aur mast ho jawo. ;)

IndisGuise:)

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indi bro aayo - balla nails, chup lagney bho :(
phewwww, indi u saved the day :D - i guess, nails - aaba ta timro induu bro le bhane pachi kura bhuja :)

cant wait to see u one monday on that table :) malai, aakha jimkauney chai hoina hai ;)

ma ta pr visa, i dont work and dont have to worry, my dad has a good status, he works in an engineering company.. but tehi pani, i see other lotta nepalis here working in labor in factories and resturaunts.. ow well..

What a narrow minded view, presidentofNepal2035!

Whats wrong with working in gas station, restaurant or any other lower level jobs? Just because they got DV lottery it doesnt mean that they are handed dollar bills by US government...They have worked hard for it..Dont sulk up!

About only higher level people gettng DVs..I think it should be the other way around. They should be ineligible if you ask me...WHy would do they need DV if they are already qualified..like you say. Thye can do it on their own..plus bhayena bhane Nepali gaye huncha..Nepal surely needs heads that can think.

Whether you go USA or to the moonland, the jealous always travels with Nepalese people! You claim that you are degree holder and qualified but your perspectives do not match with your degrees!

Questions to the proud Nepricans who have US degrees ( Questions for only those who frown upon gas station workers)

1. What was the source of your tution fee and other expenses in USA? Did your parents pay your tution fee and your accommmodation and meals expenses in USA? If then, you are the kids of top army officers, ministers or bureaucrats. You are not common Nepali.

2. Didn't you work in your college cafteria ? You are allowed to work 20 hours, as I heard but does this earn enough to cover your fees and expenses?

3. In summer vaccations, didn't you work in the gas stations or Indian restaurants to earn extra perk?

4. Why did you take 7-8 years to complete your graduation while its the course of 4 years or less for regular students?

5. Secondly, DV is not meant only for unskilled labor. Any professionals or academicians can apply for DV. You should have a MINIMUM high school education to be qualified. They haven't said HIGHER EDUCATION is a disadvantage.

I am a DV winner. I used to run travel agency in Nepal and I do the same here. May be I don't earn as much as US degree holders but I am satisfied. I never look down the people who work in gas stations or restaurants. This is America and I guess you know this better than me. I have a number of friends who work in gas stations or restaurants and I never look them down. I cherish the friendship with everybody.

Someone commented that DV winners have bad English! Compare your English with Americans, not with DV winners, would you ?

Its been not long I have been to USA but my hate towards Nepricans like Presidents of NepalNepal and his type are already at the height.

correct me, jealous=jealousy.

Nepal ko chora - (wink,wink) i love you mama! :) :)

IndisGuise - i totally understand what you're saying and i agree with everything but:
"But there are thousands who have done nothing to you. Why do you hate them?"

this here if i had contact with them i am sure that they would treat me in the same way ke so i hate them all ni!

"Expressing your opinion is fine, but when it hurts many other people that have done nothing to you and their only crime was - well, they won a lottery, is not cool."

here okay you're right!!! somepeople have done nothing to me and i really do wanna say sorry to those people but the ones i have dealt with are like ........let me just leave it there! :) :)

indis you're right the sky is the limit for their kids and that also makes me extra extra jealous of them ke and their kids even more ni! :( :(

yes indis! :P but i haven't had a hajmola for a long time ke!!! but that's another story! :) :)

dirty_minded - i don't wanna call indis my bro ke! ufffffff! (wink,wink) :P


once in a while - i would answer your questions but i don't have a US degree yet ke, so when i do i will hai? ;) :P

and again i still think that the this DV thing must be changed in some way so only the people who deserve them the most get them first ni! :) :)

Yo dem many many educasion Nepalian biraders and ladies. You peopal is so educasional but you is still talks and thinks not no good than them nice ricksha biraders of Darbar Marg. I is respect dem ricksha biraders more than you big big educasion peopal of dem American.

Why dem you peopal comparison your english is with dem I and I? If I and I and my Tandoori biraders is educasion like you peopal is we is never no put down no peopal. You dem educasion Univercity peopal never no even look at I and I when them you is come and eat at da tabel and dem take out dem credi card. You and you not never no say Hello not no never say namaste. Why dem you is treat I and I like dem Guatemalan biraders?

We is never no hurt no peopal. We is never no ask no money to your fada but we is give your fada our moneys, Pajeros and bildings.

Why dem you is have to talk mo and mo about I and put I down even in dem nice Sajha?
Why dem you is have to humiliasion I and I also with big big english words?
You is not can sleep good without humiliasion I?

I would pick DV winners over goddamn H1B visa holding dingleberries any time of the day, because the bottomline is that H1B steal jobs from American citizens. There has been a backlash against H1B in America, and it's all understandable. They do jobs for less money, not to mention the fact that they're truly incompetent. Screw H1B-holding dipsticks. At least DV winners are more than likely to become American citizens. H1B has no such guarantee, and it's all for the good. If you all don't realize that H1B holders make less money than Americans doing the same type of job, then may Allah help you. The difference is about 20k. Just google this topic.
Plus, what I don't like about these H1B holding knuckledraggers is that they're so damn desperate for citizenship that they'd do anything to stay here. It just pisses me off. I can't stand em and that's that. I just can't. Sorry, but go back to the third world cesspool you all came from.
http://www.vdare.com

Yo dem Chillun Thugged out!

Why dem you is thugged out? Why dem so much angry inside you is? Why dem you is not spreading love? I is tell you so many many time you is needs to give some love.
Why dem you is say bad bad things to peopal ?

Why dem not love him Great King?
Why dem not love him Great Democracy Leaders?
Why dem not love him Great Mau Leaders?

You dem peopal is reason why him Buddha incarnasion leave him meditasion and go to India. Him Buddha probably in Bollywood.

The DV program has been controversial since it was incepted...so, us arguing over the same is nothing new.

I agree with Nepal Ko Choro on one instance. Canada has higher requirements for its PR program...but in no way is the same as the DV program. The USA has a similar program, but it goes through H1B first...then after 6 yrs, you are eligible for Green Card.

About DV program bringing in cheap labor....it might be true, but the USA has enough Mexicans and others to handle cheap labors.....Since DV is for any one with high school education and beyond...anyone can apply having met the qualifications. I have few frens who won the DV...and were Doctors in Nepal.....and are in the same profession here as well.

Would be nice if the DV program would consider (non-immigrant)graduates from US colleges as well...or have a separate program to provide them with some way towards Green Card....Well, enough said !! It gets repetitive now ! Cheers !

H1B holders are nothing but indentured servants who work for less money than Americans. It's just another way for companies to save $$$$.
I'm having a change of heart re: outsourcing. After some research, it seems obvious to me that both H1B and outsourcing are evil.
America comes first and that's the bottomline.

Hey thugged out... i don't understand when you say you are against H1 visa...i don't understand the way you are writing....to get H1 visa you need to have good company enough to sponser you.....i don't know what kind of cheap works you are saying.....and i know that once you get H1 visa you are supposed to work for the company...all my freinds are working like that......and they do pay taxes and everything like citizen..so why you hate H1 visa.. ...the only option to stay after graduation is either to stay in H1 visa or out of status...you need to find company willing to sponsor you.........
after all you are also citizen...i think you all came through lots of process unless you won DV...i am for everything....people who are nosy hates H1 visa holder and DV winner...

Yo dem ss74 K why dem you is hating him Thugged out?
You is dem no good . If him hates HB why dem you is hate him? You is needs to love him and give him dem big Hug.
Him Thugged out dem is probably confusion.
You is not be dem no Good.

LMAO, STFU if you doh't know what you're talking about. The fact is that H1B do the same job for less money. It's a fact.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_10_26/us/us_h1b_visa_holders_earn_less.htm

"The average salary for a programmer in California is $73,960, according to the OES. The average salary paid to an H-1B visa worker for the same job is $53,387; a difference of $20,573"

Now you tell me these suckers aren't indentured laborers. Sorry, can't tolerate anything that takes jobs from us.
I don't give a fudge whether a good company sponsored you or not. The crux of the matter is that you do the same job Americans would do for less money. Why would I support that?

As sour as it sounds, but Thugged_Out is right....

Even the Americans know that, and have raised this issue several times, including when they raise the quota for H1B from 65,000 to 115,000...........But the fact is, the Corporate world don't care, as long as their lobbyists are swaying the Senators or Congressmen in their favor.....

Rastabahadur.. i didn't say i hate thugged out....
Thugged out i came to know difference in salary last year.......i don't see any wrong as long as you paid tax and is not abiding the laws of immigration....
But lets think every thing for good thats all i know......I don't see anything wrong for H1 visa holder or DV.....anyway its your thinking...my husband is born over here...both of us don't think that way.....