No voices were raised against 'Nepal being a Hindu country ' in any of the peoples movement in Nepal. Then why these bloody politicians decides to amend the constitution to make Nepal a secular state? I am pretty much sure if people were informed that the Jan Andolan would make the country a secular one, the streets of Kathmandu would not have been flooded with people during the Aandolan..
Politicians talk of respecting people's voice. They then do not have the right to amend the constitution to make a decision on the matter that was not voiced by people. There was nothing wrong with Nepal as Hindu country...If we want to change this, there should be referendum for that. Bloody politicians, killers do not deserve any right to decide against people's aspiration.
Hinduism basically is not the religion, its a culture. It respects all religions...we never had any religious dispute in the country. When things were going smoothly with that whywas the need for change?

typing erros .......... please bear with it

Jasus pasa,

So tell me in which buddhist scripture it talks about warfare and violence against agression. the fact that tamils coundn't take over sinhales doesn't prove anything. the sinhales are buddhist just in name how can one be buddhist and bomb and kill other people. A true buddhist will rather die than kill. IF this is not true (it actually is not true because most buddhist will fight if necessary) show me where in a buddhist scripture it talks about millitary protection of the population.
just because someone is hindu don't make him courageous but saying that you are follower of buddha on one hand and on the other hand you talk like a warrior. what's your point?

Now its clear that you don't understand anything.

As for me, I have travelled extensively in the terai and the hills. I have trekked in Sankhuwasabha, Rasuwa and Taplejung. And I do know how's life is in the remote hills. I've met people who have never ever seen any vehicles in their life time.

But have I written about the miseries of Terai in my post? Have I tried to compare the problems of Terai with that of the Hills or Mountains??? Its written in plain English, not in Chinese. Hope u understand that much. If you don't understand, then let me make it clear once again. I was talking about the risk of rise of 'religious fundamentalism' in Nepal, and that's definitely not going to start from the himalayas. I was just giving some valid points to counter your dumb logic that 'groups like 'Shiva Sena' are only possible in India because people there are dumb, and there is no such chances in Nepal because people here are not dumb !!!'. I had asked you if you could point out any differences in culture / people / language/ customs / geography or for that matter anything in between India and the interiors of Terai, especially the regions lying south of the east-west highway. If you still haven't understood the point then please go thru that post again before making any more silly and unrelated comments.

By the way, I'm from the Kathmandu valley and not from Terai. Though I've travelled extensively thru all the geographical regions of Nepal.

If I was a true Buddhist, I would be BUDDHA myself, thats what Buddha said.... everyone can be BUDDHA ............. I am not thats why I am only Buddhist

Had we been buddhists, we'd definitely have converted to Islam by now. Or for that matter India would have been like Afghanistan now. This point is valid. I agree with it. Buddhism had spread extensively to the current day Pakistan and Afghanistan. University of Taxila in Pakistan was the centre of Buddhist studies in that era. Buddhism was the predominant religion in Afghanistan. But those regions couldn't withstand the Muslim invasion and massive conversion to Islam followed. A religion like 'Buddhism' which is mostly based on the philosophy of 'ahimsa' only just canont survive any external aggression.

Samir sathi,

Where in hell did you see me comparing plights of terai people and hilly people, I am not writing in Chinese either. You did tried to compare Kathmandu with Terai. Didn't you say, "Just get out of your 'Kathmandu centered' narrow vision." I was just justifying myself.

If you think you r wise and I am dumb, then so be it, and btw I don't have time to go thro ur bull****s. Congratulatios wiseazz.

your's truly
DUMMY

I agree with you 100% ritthe_jasus. My parents are from village and most of my distant relatives are still in village which is not that far from kathmandu but they haven't seen day light yet. I mean most of them haven't seen motor vehicles. They have to spend 3-4 hours to get water from the river.Their life style is in terrible condition. Kids have to walk 3-4 hrs to go to public school. In my view it is not a school where 2 teachers teach everything and students have no table,no desk to sit. Kids sit on the ground and teacher sits on the chair. School contains only one small building with 2-3 rooms. Most of the students have to sit on the grounds for years and years. If there is rain, the school is closed. There is no hospital for the sick people. I can go on,.......... still somepeople belive that we were living wonderful life under king. It may apply to handful of people. Nepal is not just handful of people.Infact, king doesn't care nepali citizens at all. All he cares about is how to gain more power and keep the citizens as ignorant and illiterate as possible so that he can have one man show. No country and no people have rights to impose their religion towards others. Democracy is for all. Not just for the majorities and not just for minorities. Its for both rich and poor people. In full democracy majorities donot have right to impose their religion on minorities.If majorities have a power to impose their religion towards minorities, then it is not democracy. Then people don't know the meaning of democracy.Democracy means freedom of religion too. Every one should be free to practice whatever they believe.

People of nepal have been suppressed for centuries and centuries so all the disagrements are finally coming out now. Just like every country takes time to flourish democracy, nepal will take time too. All we need is good, visionary,highly educated, exposed to the outerworld leader. King doesn't have these potential, maoist leaders are murderers with no vision and Girija doesn't have these qualities at all. We need new leader with fresh mind and the above mentioned qualities to lead nepal in new direction.

Even India couldnot defend Muslims, Delhi used to be ruled by Muslims, Hindus didnot liberate India, Brits did.

Taxasila was hindu, Nalanda was buddhist, if I am not wrong.

my bad taxasila was buddhist too, but chanakya was from taxasila thats why I thiought it was hindu, my bad.

India was ruled by Muslims but 'hinduism' survived, even in those regions under tyrannical Muslim rule. Nalanda and Taxila were both Buddhist centers. Buddhism was highly practised in regions of current day Pakistan (includes Taxila), Afghanistan (perhaps u know about the Bamian Buddhas), Magadh (includes present Bihar, Nalanda, parts of Bengal and UP). And see where the highest numbers of Muslims live now. In India, maximum numbers of Muslims are in Bihar, Bengal, Northern UP. I don't have to say anything more about the state of Afghanistan, Pakistan or Kashmir. And there was no Buddhist who fought against the Muslim invasion. Prithiviraj Chauhan, Laxmi Bai, Maharana Pratap or Shivaaji, all were hindu rulers who fought against Islam. The day when Emperor Ashok converted to Buddhism and started preaching / practising Ahimsa was the day on which the downfall of the Indian empire started.

IN REALITY NEPAL WAS SECULAR BEFORE, IT ISNT NOW. bhasa ma matra secular bhanera kehi hunna.

I agree with you sameer. I am not trying to say that people who call themselves as buddhist cannot fight a war. But buddhism when truly practiced by majority of population cannot survive a agressive invasion. Even countries who identify themselves as buddhist do not follow buddhist philosophy. For example Myanmar: it is officiallly a buddhist but do the majority follow buddhist philosophy. Hell NO they have millitary government for god sake's. another example is thailand. in the southern thailand (you might have seen/read in news) the majority are muslim of malay(malaysia) origin who are beheading buddhist like every other day. These peaceloving buddhist have done nothing but are being killed for just being buddhist. And you know what the lame-ass excuse of the thai government is? oh well who told the buddhist to go in the muslim neighborhood when they know they are going to get killed.
Buddism teaches pacifism. it is without a doubt a great philosophy but does it work? if you say you are a warrior and buddhist at the same time am i missing anything? enlignten me.

I would like to know what is every religion whether buddhist, hindu, chirstian or muslim trying to teach? Is the every religion trying to give the same messsage be a good logical moral person. Then why do people fight and die in the name of religion. I find those people stupid. Just see what the religion is trying to preach.


My experience how religion made people blind. My friend from nepal. I don't want to reveal her name. She was Hindu. She didn't eat beaf at all. She has a shiva, laxmi status, Hindu god and goddess pictures and she prays.Then, she met a muslim guy from bangladesh in college through nepali friend. She started avoiding nepali friends and gethogether and started reading khuran. Not only that she started covring her head, wear black dress and pray 5 times a day sometimes in school park. One day she invited friends in her place, she cooked halal beef and served us. We ate. I'm very liberal person. She got married with that guy. I 'm not againsts her or nothing. I just ask myself how could the religion shape people's life. The same person who didn't eat beaf eat beaf and now don't eat pork. How this could be possible?

Just see what the religion does?

That is not religion that is infatuation. It is not even love because if someone loves you they love you the way you are and don't want to change you. Obviously this girl is so much infatuated in this guy that she is doing everything to please him. Don't tell me that the muslim guy didn't asked her to do so. Ohterwise why would a WOMAN read koran and still don't find it offensive against women

Other example if religion brings ppl together then why people of Iraq are fighting againsts each other? They are muslim. Why pakistan seprate from India? Why bangladesh seperate from PAKISTAN? Pakistan and bangladesh both are muslim countries. Why USA is fighting againsts muslims? Because both of them are fundamentalists. More ppl follow their religion, it makes ppl blind and think only what he/she follows or does is right and his/her's way is only the right way. Then there comes the problem when it encounts the other person with different views.

Another good ex. In indian why the south indians hate north indians? They both are hindus. I've many south indians friends who don't know hindi at all. They watch their own talebu and other language movies. They don't like north indians at all.When I take the names of Bimal Roy, Amair Khan, they get mad.In order to tease them sometimes, I just say those name they get mad at me.They don't even know the great director and movie stars.They told me about 70% of south indians donot know hindi. They have their own language. They have their own music.

My point is religion doesn't bring ppl together. Religion is trying to make people good logical human being if practice in a right way.

If you say its only buddhists who r easy to be converted, wake up dude .......... the head christian preacher in kathmandu comes from brahmin family ......... lots of people from nepal and dalits from india are being mass converted to buddhism or christianity ....... buddhists might have been converted or killed by force ........ but buddhism havenot died yet. If you say everyone from pakistan and afganistan who were converted or killed were buddhists ........ I don't buy your thoughts.

Truth will always prevail, thats why Hinduism is dying religion and Buddhism is growing now. Don't just cling to the History. Thanks God u are still hanging on to the history as far as you know only, otherwise you will be clinging to the stone age if you knew the stone age history.

no need to enlighten you guys birbhadra and samir, you r already enlightened wise people.

truly,
dummy ritthe

mta177
are you questioning or making a statement ? if you are asking here is the answer:

1. why people of Iraq are fighting againsts each other? They are muslim.
because sunnis doesn't consider shia as "true" muslim so it is okay to kill shias

2. Why pakistan seprate from India?
because muslims don't like to be only under muslim law and muslim leader

3. Why bangladesh seperate from PAKISTAN? Pakistan and bangladesh both are muslim countries.
because pakistani wanted bangladeshis to adopt arabic based urdu as official language and arabic clothings and adopt everything arabic but bangldeshi didn't wanted to. Three million people died mostly hindus during pakistan bangladesh war. india finallly had to come to rescue. also there were roughly 30% hindu polupation in bangladesh during partition. now it is less than 7%. how? gofigure

4. Why USA is fighting againsts muslims? Because both of them are fundamentalists.

USA is not fighting muslims (pakistan, saudi, afgans and many more are with USA) it is fighting terrorism. sadly Bush didn't make good decision going to iraq. USA is fundamentalist are you kidding !!!! fundamentalist what ? if you mean fundamentalist christians i would say you have very little knowledge about the US.

in point number 2 it is "muslim like to be under muslim ...." not otherwise

Who gave them authentic Nepali Citizenship?

Who work in Central District Offices?

jasus saheb,

i don't mind hindus converting into buddhist. However that is not the issue we were discussing. you completely ducked the issues raised by sameer and me. i don't care if all hindus convert to buddhist or christians. They say survival of the fittest. However i will try my best to defend good things about everything and do away with bad things. if hinduism dies after my death so be it. let me ask you few questions in complete honesty:

1. you say buddhism christianity ( forgot to include islam?) are growing and hinduism is dying: .....maybe because hinduism doesn't seek conversion? maybe because hinduism is only world famous for how bad the caste system is? just because something is growing doesn't prove anything.

2. Do you think if you strictly follow buddhism and still be a warrior? you also said you are not buddha. agreed! you are only buddhist. okay so what does that mean ? you just want a religious label. Why you call yourself buddhist if you can't follow his teachings?

3. even i don't buy sameer 's version of history that all who converted were buddhist. However if they are monks they will probably flee from the conflict . and please REMEMBER THAT IT IS NOT THE LACK OF COURAGE BUT THE MORAL CONVICTION OF NON VIOLENCE THAT WILL CAUSE THE DEMISE OF THE POPULATION.

i am not commenting on your stone age comment you can make better arguments than that