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Pire,

Theres something called making a moutain out of a molehill, and there are people like you who epitomize the saying. There are not only people who stand against or with Mr. Bista. There are also people who question the practise of entrapment.

There are few things people need to consider before painting a picaso out of this small incident.

- Theres no record of Mr. Bista being involved in any of these things before, so that why this time? If he was infact a child predator as indicated why did he wait till this point? Is it because he couldnt find any other kid before, obviously not. Do you realize how the people of that show never release the whole transcript? The only difference in Mr. Bista's life between the day he was arrested and any other day was the involvement of that stupid show. So my theory is that the show generates more predators than actually catch them.

- Nepal has no right towards Mr. Bista. He didnt sign any petition saying he will live a certain kind of life for Nepal. So people should back off from their statements of how he has humiliated Nepal and Nepalese. I would like to ask to those accusers what they have done for Nepal. Doing nothing is not same as doing something positive. Make it a valuable lesson for your life.

बोडेगा ब्रो,

१ पहिलो पटक पक्राउ पर्ने मान्छेले एकपटक मात्र क्राइम गरेको हुन्छ भन्ने ग्यारन्टी के? ए बाबा, पक्राउ नपरेर पल्कि पल्कि हिडेको पनि हुन सक्दैन? मेरो पहिलो पटक गाडीको ओवरस्पिडको टिकट पाउँदा को कुरो गरम न, तेस्ता ओवरस्पिड त कति चलाइयो कति, कहिले पक्राउ पर्‍या हैन। अनि ए मलाई त कसले समात्छ र भनेर एकपटक हाईवेमा सुइँय कुदाको त पछडि'ट पिलपिलि बत्ति बाल्दै आइगो मामा। तेस्तै हो।

२ हरेक समाजमा बस्ने बित्तिकै इम्प्लिसिटलि तेसका नियम कानून मान्छु भनेको हो। नेपालमा बस्नु को अर्थ त्यहाँको कनून मानेको भनेको हो। ए मलाई था'थे'न, अब गर्दिन भनेर काँ पाइन्छ? बिष्टजीको मामलामा पनि त्यहि लागू हुन्छ। चाचार घण्टा लाएर तेर्‍ह बर्षको केटिसमात्न जाने हो? तपैले भन्या मान्ने हो भने त अण्डरकभर कप हरु जो ड्रग डिलरलाई समात्न जान्छन त्यो सबै गैर्‍हकानूनि भयो नि। 'त्यो साला कपले मलाई फसायो, ट्र्यापमा पर्‍यो, कप भन्ने थाहा थिएन' भने भएन?

एनि वे, स्याना कुरालाई बडाएर ठुलो बनाइस भनेर म जाबो पिरेलाई गाली गर्नु भो। नियम कानून जान्ने मान्छे तपाईलाई नै बडि थाहा होला यो कुरो। तर मैले साधारण कुरो सोधेको: तपाईँको घराँ आएर बिष्टजी तपाईको तेर्‍ह बर्षको छोरि सँग हाँस्दै जिस्कदै गर्नु भो भने तपाई के गर्नु हुन्छ? टेक इट इजि भन्दै बस्नु हुन्छ? तपाई गर्नु होला, म त सक्दिन।

Rahulbhai:

खै मेरो बानी त L A Confidential को रसेल क्रो को जस्तो छ, मोलेस्टरहरु भन्यो कि झनक्क रिस उठ्छ। ke garne holaa? :-)

Couldn't agree more, VincentBodega; still, the guy made a very stupid mistake being lured by supposedly a 13-year-old. And, that is wrong.

How can one know what someone on the other end of another computer is thinking? Okay, here's the scenario: This guy believed that the girl is a minor and still went to the minor; but what if he actually thought the girl was lying about her age and went thinking that she was adult. And, on that ground, he actually was thinking that if he finds the girl, that he was dating, is a minor, he would simply not have sex with her (because he would then really knew that the girl was underage).

If that is too much to take, what if actually the guy was minor himself and he lied about his age just like the decoy lied to him? Decoy is to be punished then?

I think this method to catch the pedophile is totally wrong. Like VicentBodega said, I think, this method actually is entices one to be pedophile rather than catching true pedophiles.

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Pireji,

I agree with everything I could understand from your writing. But also consider these scenarios too:

1)If you were poked and pryed till you actually believed that an individual has harmed a family member of yours, and out of a utter anger when you say you would kill that person, law enforcement agent appears and says you are under arrest for wanting to kill someone. How would you feel? A crime hasnt even been committed, but their logic is that if they wait till you acted on it, it would be too late.

2) How would you feel if an under cover cop left a box full of money outside your door, and a minute you looked at it you got arrested for theft. The law enforcer tells you that the fact that you looked in the box gives him/her enough evidence that you were going to pick something that didnt belong to you - aka theft. Again, you havent even touched the money. You might have some greed because of it, but you havent touched it. How would you feel?

3) If you want to live in this country then you also have to read and understand the constitution of this country, which it is based upon. No laws and policies are permanent. If there are problems in them we change them, thats the basis of a democratic nation.

4) I am not scolding you for anything. I just want you to realize that irrespective of what Mr. Bista has been accussed of, that doesnt boil down to the fact that he cant be trusted with children. He might need supervision, he might need help or realization on his part in general, but he can still be a responsible member of a society. I am a single parent myself, and I am willing to take a chance on him.

Slackdemic brings out an interesting point. If an accuser in the show maintains that ... he actually thought the girl was lying about her age and went thinking that she was adult., there nothing the law or the supreme court can do about that.

Not too long ago, there was a guy named De Lorean. His DeLorean car went belly up. He was in the verge of bankruptcy. He needed money badly to save his DeLorean car industry (His car was featured in Back to the future). He was found carrying drugs worth millions. He was allegedly trying to make delivery of the drugs in exchange of money. He was arrested and charged. Court found him Not Guilty on the basis that he was entrapped by FBI that pushed him into drug dealing.

Do google search on "DeLorean Drug" or simply DeLorean.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id305.htm

I thought this topic needed to be put on the shelves, until I read some of the latest comments.

Few posters are really making a mountainl out of a molehill as Vincent said. Vincent's acceptance of the person (Mr. Bisht) back to the society is praiseworthy, but you cannot discount his crimes as well.

To Slackdemic's point, Mr. Bishta cannot prove he didn't believe the girl was lying due to following reasons:
1. They chatted pretty explicitly over the net and nowhere he showed his suspection of her age.
2. The point that would nab him, is his admittance to watching the Dateline episode before. He was aware of these practices and consequences.

He talked to the girl for 1 month before he made his move and drove 4 hours before he met her. It was pre meditated move, his consience had enough time to alert him.

Vincent's example was a very mild one, not very apt. It is not like FBI leaving a pile of money infront of your door...the better example would be FBI leaving medical marijuana in your alley and you waiting for a month before making the move and "stealing" it.

The guy should be charged as guilty and should be punished for his crime.

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खबरदार च्याट पारखीहरु



ओजश्वी शर्मा

वासिङटन डीसी, मार्च ३


इन्टरनेट सेवालाई सही उपयोग गर्न नजान्दा मै हुँ भन्ने कतिपय दिग्गजहरुले पनि दुःख पाएका घटनाहरु अमेरिका लगायतका विकसित मुलुकरुका समाचारमा प्रत्यक्ष हेर्न र पढ्न पाइन्छ । इन्टरेनटमा विशेष गरेर उमेर नपुगेका बालबालिकाहरुका अश्लिल तस्वीर तथा भिडियोलाई फैलाउने समुहहरु प्रशस्त भेटिन्छन् । र समय समयमा यस्ता बाल दूराचारीहरुलाई स्थानीय प्रशासनले पक्राउ गरेको समाचारहरु पनि संचारमाध्यमहरुले प्रशारण गर्दै आएका छन् ।
त्यतिमात्र हैन इन्टरनेट सेवा जति वयस्कहरुका लागि खोजपूर्ण र पढाइमा सहयोगी बन्दै आएको छ त्यति नै आजभोलिका युवायुवतीका लागि अभिषाप पनि बन्न पुगेको छ । अमेरिकी समाजमा आफ्ना छोराछोरी १२ तेह्र वर्ष पुगेपछि उसका बाबुआमाले उसको कोठामा पस्यो भने पनि मेरो निजी जीवन अर्थात् पस्रनल लाइफमा किन बाधा पुर्याउँछौ भन्ने ओठे जवाफ दिने वयस्कहरुका कारण अमेरिकी बाबु आमा पनि आफ्ना बच्चाको सुमधुर भविष्यप्रति चिन्तित देखिन थालेका कयौं घटनाहरु समय समयमा पढ्न पाइन्छ ।
उमेर नपुगेका युवा युवतीहरुलाई अमेरिकामा जाने बुझेका कतिपय चिकित्सक शिक्षक वयस्क विद्यार्थीहरु लगायतले रोमान्स गर्ने निहुँमा समय भयो कि च्याटमा बस्ने र अश्लिल कुराहरु गर्नेहरुको संख्या बढ्न थालेपछि विगत केही वर्षदेखि अमेरिकाका स्थानीय टेलिभिजन प्रहरी प्रशासनको सहयोगमा त्यसरी कम उमेरका बालबालिकाहरुसँग च्याट गर्नेहरु फसेका र जेल सजाय पाएका घटनाहरु क्रमशः बढ्न थालेका छन् ।
याहु मेसेन्जरमार्फत् रोमान्समा पसरे विगत झण्डै एक महिनाअघिदेखि च्याट गर्दै आएका फ्लोरिडास्थित वेस्टपावीचमा रही अध्ययनरत एक २२ वर्षे विज्ञानका विद्यार्थी आखिर प्रहरीको फन्दामा मात्र परेनन् उनले १३ वर्षे युवतीसँग सम्बन्ध राख्नु नाजायज हो भन्ने जान्दा जान्दै र यस्तो कार्यमा प्रहरी प्रशासन समेत लाग्ने गरेरको आफूलाई थाहा हुँदा हुँदै पनि चार चार घण्टाको बाटो मोटर चलाएर युवतीले भनेको स्थानमा फूलको गुच्छा चकलेट कि्रम र परिवारनियोजनको साधन सहित पुग्दा आखिर प्रहरीको पंजामा पर्न गएको खबरले अमेरिकामा बस्ने नेपाली समुदायमा समेत यसको नराम्रो असर पर्न गएको छ ।
सायद नेपालमा साइवर क्याफेमा बसेर घण्टौं च्याटमा अश्लिल कुरा गर्ने बानी परेका नेपाली विद्यार्थीहरु पनि अमेरिकाका कतिपय कलेजहरुमा अध्ययनका लागि आएका छन् । यदि त्यसरी च्याट गर्ने बानी परेका हाम्रा अधवैंशे युवायुवतीहरुले पनि सोच्ने बेला आएको छ कतै म गलत बाटोमा त लागेको छुइन भनेर । सायद अब ती वेस्टपामवीचका २२ वर्षे युवकले हत्कडी सहित नेपाल फर्कनु बाहेक अन्य कुनै उपाय नहोला । आफ्नो सुनौलो भविष्य बनाउन अमेरिका आइपुगेका यस्ता विद्यार्थीहरुमात्र हैन अन्य व्यवसायमा लागेका नेपालीहरुले पनि यस्ता कुराप्रति सचेत नहुने हो भने अझै कति नेपालीहरु यस्ता नराम्रा काममा फस्ने हुन् भन्ने चिन्ता प्रत्येक अभिवाकले गर्नुपर्ने भएको छ ।
यसैले संचारको लागि सुलभ बनेको इन्टरनेट सेवालाई लाभप्रदका रुपमा उपयोग गर्न सक्यो भने त राम्रै हो तर यस्तै समय कटाउने काममा रोमान्समा प्रयोग गर्ने हो भने तपाईंले आफ्नो भविष्य त विगार्नुभयो भयो आफ्ना छोराछोरीले राम्रो गर्लान् भनेर सोचेका तपाईंका बाबुआमामाथि समेत तपाईंले ठूलो बज्रपात गराउनुहुनेछ यसर्थ अन्यथा नमानी यदि तपाईं पनि जानि नजानी त्यस्ता गलत कार्यमा लाग्नुभएको छ । विना चिनजानका व्यक्तिहरुसँग घण्टौं समय विताउनुहुन्छ भने त्यो समयको बरवादमात्र होइन तपाईंको भविष्यको समेत वरवादी ठान्दै आजैदेखि त्यस्ता कार्य छाडन् हुन विनम्र अनुरोध छ । आजैदेखि तपाईले पनि इन्टरनेट सेवालाई त्यस्ता विकृतिमुलक कार्यका लागि प्रयोग गनर्नु नै बुद्धिमानी हुने थियो कि आगे तपाईंको विचार ।

what i heard is, this guy did not come here in F1 visa. he is a permanent resident of usa. he lives with his family and they run business downthere in florida. they are living here for long time. I guess this is why this guy does nt have many school/college nepali friends from nepal who can comment about him.

man.... this is a very shocking news to be heard... never could imagine this could even happen.... well guys you all should be careful not to make such mistakes and learn from these mistakes... this is a very bad year for nepali...s hope everything gets better

may lord bless us

DWI wrote:

1. They chatted pretty explicitly over the net and nowhere he showed his suspection of her age.
I don't think a chat on the Internet chat-room can be a solid proof for such a case; anyone can say anything in the chat-room. Even if one is thinking to be talking to a pretty and young lady, it could be a real ugly and fat woman; and vice versa. Even when you write the research papers for the courses in school, most online sources (that just come off the internet, for instanse, just by googling) are NOT considered reliable sources, and not accepted. How can someone's chat can imply his/her true feelings?

2. The point that would nab him, is his admittance to watching the Dateline episode before. He was aware of these practices and consequences.
Well, the other side of the coin can also be, since he knows about the dateline program, so how can we not believe that he really believed that the girl was adult; therefore, despite knowing the fact there are ambushes where he could be trapped, he still kept talking to the girl.

And having said all that, I am not trying to defend the guy, but I just don't believe this is the right practice of catching the bad guys.

Just like the decoy lied, I am sure there will be many times, if not there has been already, when the sexually active underage teenager boy will drive to decoy. And that time, I believe that the decoy should deserve the same punishment Mr Bista supposedly deserves today.

And, that's not a revange, but the ill practice of law where the decoy exploits a minor with sexual talk and even makes him drive all the way to the decoy to have sex with him.

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Guys,
If you all think that Mr. Bista was inncoent and he was escape goat then why dont you all go to Florida and try to defend him in the court.
And why dont you start raising money for him to pay his attorney and other legal expenses.
Yaha sajha ma bhukera kehi hundaina bro haru..
I think he is the real culprit...

Many of you has assumed that he would not have sex if he would have found that girl to be 13.....
But I beleive, if there were no camera crews or msnbc dateline..he would definately have sex with that girl..
I dont know how many victims are there suffered from Mr. Bista.

I feel sorry for his family but not for him.

Is there any body who want to go to Florida and defend him in court...

Sajha ma dhaak lagayera kehi hundaina bro haru....

Dhaak ta 5 yrs ko bachha le pani lagaunchha

timro ta Nam nai Bahadur ..................................
Timi nai jau na ta Teslai Bachauna MR. BALBAHADUR

I wont because what I think is he is 100% wrong......

He digged the whole for himself.

well said balbahadur...

HOina yo biste lai wild sanak chadecha bhanya......khapinasaknu bhako rahecha...baru hasstee diyeko bhaye pani hunthyo ni.....katti garmi chadeko rahecha, USA ma aayepcahi ta keti sathi haru lai thoke bhaihalyo ni ekdam easy huncha. I think he hadn't heard about F(ucking buddy who are your friends but sometime u can have sex with them. America ma praya ketaharule afno pyass yestai random tarikale f(cuking budyy banayera thokne ta ho ni. Tai pani deepak lai sanchikai fasna man rahecha ani tyo 4--4 hour drive gari gari sikar kojna janu parne, kasto mula seeeki hunter rahecha. Hunt garda ta hosiyar garera po garnu parcha, secretly face to face bhetne manche lai hang out ganr lagera po bhyaunu parcha ta. Yo deepak le ta koi napayera chat gari gari jando rahecha. when i saw this video for the first time, i was like dannng--Bistee, afno dharatal birsis? Aba bista ji aru sikar garnu bhanda agi 1000 patak sochera matra jancha hola, natra ta bihe garepachi matra ho!!

yesta mora lao kasle chori dinchan ra ?

Slackademic wrote:

I don't think a chat on the Internet chat-room can be a solid proof for such a case; anyone can say anything in the chat-room. Even if one is thinking to be talking to a pretty and young lady, it could be a real ugly and fat woman; and vice versa. Even when you write the research papers for the courses in school, most online sources (that just come off the internet, for instanse, just by googling) are NOT considered reliable sources, and not accepted. How can someone's chat can imply his/her true feelings?


It’s not your logic or mine, it’s the law. Interestingly it’s the state law not federal that plays vital role in the scenario you have given. In Texas, just having an explicit chat with a minor and soliciting for sex over the internet is enough to put you behind bars. That’s what happened to the D.A. in Texas. Now, logically speaking, Mr. Bishta had a whole month to put things into perspective and 4 hours to question his intention during the drive. If him actually driving down to meet the girl cannot imply his/her true feeling, then I don’t know what can



Well, the other side of the coin can also be, since he knows about the dateline program, so how can we not believe that he really believed that the girl was adult; therefore, despite knowing the fact there are ambushes where he could be trapped, he still kept talking to the girl.


No where he mentioned he doubted the age of the girl. He did it because he simply thought the girl wasn’t involved in Dateline. He took a shot, that’s for sure. Let’s say your argument holds true and he actually thought the girl is not underage, then wouldn’t it still be risky and unethical to meet her when she claims all the way that she indeed is a minor?


And having said all that, I am not trying to defend the guy, but I just don't believe this is the right practice of catching the bad guys.

Now we are talking. This probably is too aggressive, but without being aggressive we cannot stop the predators out there who can easily lure the kids. Dateline intention is ratings, but something good has come out of this.


Just like the decoy lied, I am sure there will be many times, if not there has been already, when the sexually active underage teenager boy will drive to decoy. And that time, I believe that the decoy should deserve the same punishment Mr Bista supposedly deserves today.


That’d be like charging a spy who poses as terrorist, as a real terrorist. I guess I understand what you are trying to say, but it’s not coming out right.

yes if enter this country you must repect the law. That's all about it. No excuses for Mr. Bista his intention good enough not the crime(paji). You guys talk about first amendment that's bulls**t, constitution is not defacto. There are more than 19 amendments to it which means it changes over time and period. Judgement is the biggest problem here.Having said that, here is some fact though:
1.those decoy put their actual age 99 if you read their profile( do u know this?).
2.few month before a doctor never talk about sexual thing at all but he showed up at house claiming that kid was in trouble he wanted to help but got busted, lost his license. so don't even talk minor period.
3.few years back a japanese student was shot during hollween party, he was lost. The guy who shot claimed his holloween uniform made him scared and got free.(strange country)
So the morale is if you are in strange country with strange law be smart careful. This is not your country.Don't be fooled by movie you watched in nepal and act like everything is free here. THis country, if you are not smart there are so many vultures out there to get you, learn and survive.
About entrapment, it may be true and Dateline did it for big rating(and money), but this country is based on success. Now who is successful Mr. Bista or dateline? so shut up...

DWI:

Whole transcript of the chat was neve revealed. "Whole months of putting things into perspective" can equally be applicable to the other side of the story I mentioned. All that one month he was convinced that the girl was an adult, and went to check if the girl was really an adult, and have sex if so was so.

So, absolutely there is no chance that one teenage boy can lie about his age to have sex with the girl he meets on the Internet? Why should not the decoy be punished exploiting an underage kid?

I know we all are playing with logics here, but I still think that this is the ill practice of the law. Not that I am a law student or I have the best alternatives, but my closed mind can't concieve that it is right to entrap someone through the Internet and label him as a child predator.