From hamroblog.com

परमेन्द्र भगत नामका नटबरलालबारे
- दिनेश आचार्य

एकजना छन अमेरिकाको न्यूयोर्कमा । आफुले आफैलाई बुद्धिमान घोषणा गर्दै आफु बिदेशिनुलाई ब्रेन डर्नको सज्ञा दिने त्यो सख्श अरु कोही होइन अनाबश्यक रुपमा तपाई हाम्रो ब्यक्तिगत मेल अकाउन्टको यनबाक्स फुल गर्ने हिन्दु अतिवादी र तराईको शान्त नेपाललाई भारतीय भुमन्डलमा मिलाउने प्लानका सेवक हुन-परमेन्द्र कुमार भगत ।

उनी हरेक दिनजसो दर्जनौ मेल दुनियाका हजारौ मेलबक्समा पठाउछन् । कुनैबेला नेपालको प्रजातान्त्रिक आनदोलनलाई सहयोग गर्ने नाममा काठमाडौंको आन्दोलनको फोटो किन्ने भगत अहिले हरेक दिन पहाडिका नाउमा बिद्वेश उराल्दै मधेशीका मनमा घृणाको बीउ रोप्न उद्यत छन् । अर्थात उनी पहाडी र मधेशी नेपालीबीच माराकाट गराएर साम्पर्दायिक हिसाको बिउ रोप्न चाह्छन । किनभने यो उनको मालिकको आदेश हो ।

भारत नेपालमा के चाहन्छ ब्वासोले गाइको बाच्छालाई मायाले सुम्सुमाएर कन्याउदै मुटु कलेजो झिकेर खाएजस्तो गर्ने प्लानमा छ । नेपालमा हिसा बढेपछि बिचरा भन्दै सुमसुमाउन आए जस्तो गरि तराइलाइ आफ्नो भागमा मिलाउने र को दीर्घकालिन रणनीती पुरा गर्ने एजेन्ट हुन उनी । उनीमात्र होइन उपेन्द्र यादव हृदयेश त्रिपाठी र जयकृस्ण गोइतहरु पनि त्यही हुन । जो आफुलाई नेपाली भनाउन समेत चहदैनन् ।

हिजोसम्म श्री ५ को सरकार हुदा उनीहरुले जनआन्दोलन भाग २ मा कहि पनि मधेशका नाउ उच्चारण गर्न परेन । राजाकै शाशनमा मस्त भए । किनभने अहिलेका राजा भारतीयकै ज्वाई र नातेदार अनि उतैबाट आएका थिए । तर अहिले जब नेपाली जनताको ुनेपाल सरकारु भयो उनीहरुलाई नेपाली भन्न लाज लाग्यो र मधेश सरकारको नारा उचाल्न थाले ।

केही समयअघि सम्म मधेशी र लोबतन्त्रको नारामा ब्लग लेखिरहेका उनी एक्कासी नेपालबिरोधी र भारतसमर्थक भएर निस्किए । उनी नेपाली पासपोर्टकै आधारमा अमेरिकामा बसिरहेका छन् भलै भारतीय कृपादृष्टिले पालिएका किन नहोस । तर आफुलाई नेपाली भनाउदा लाज लाग्छ रे । मधेश छुट्टै देश हो रे । नेपालीहरुले त्यस देश हडपेका हुन रे । उनका पछिल्ला लेख पढ्दा यस्तै लाग्छ ।

काठमाडौंका नेवारले नजानेर किम्बदन्ती वा जोक्स बनाएको ‘मनु मखु मडिस्या ख’ लाई ठुलो मुद्दा बनाएर आर्टिकल लेखे । पहाडिया भनेका मान्छे नै होइनन र उनीहरुलाई खत्तम गर्नुपर्छ भन्ने उनको आशय झल्किन्छ ।

वास्तबमा यो फलाम तातेको बेलामा हिट गरेजस्तै हो । तराईमा सयजना मान्छे अगाडि लगायो हजार जना पारीबाट सय रुपैया दैनिक दिएर ल्यायो । नत्र काठमाडौमा लाखौ मान्छे उत्रदा जनआन्दोलन २ मा किन तराईमा मान्छे सुन्यप्राय थियो राजतन्त्र बिरुद्ध ११ बर्ष जनयुद्ध हुदा पहाडमा जसरी क्रान्ति मौलायो तराईमा लुटेर खानेहरु मात्र बढे किन हुन त तराईमा पुरानो डाका सस्कारले गर्दा पनि माओवादीमा लाग्नेहरु लागेका थिए लुट्न नपाउने भएपछि जनतान्त्रीकमा लागे । राजा फाल्ने आन्दोलनमा चाही नलाग्ने अहिले ठुृलो क्रान्तिकारी कुरा गर्ने

भगत जस्ता कथित नौटंकी अनुहारहरु धेरै छन् यहा । उनी कहिले आफु नेपालमा राजनीति गर्न नफकर्कने कुरा गर्छन त कहिले अमेरिकामा सबैले नेपाल गएर राजनीति गर भनिरहेको लेख्छन ।

परमेन्द्र भन्ने मान्छेले एकपटक अनौठो कुरा गर्यो । सारा सार्क क्षेत्र एउटै रास्ट्र हुनुपर्ने प्रस्ताब राख्छन । यसको अर्थ के हो हिन्दुस्तानले भन्ने गरेको सारा भारतबर्ष एउटै देश होओस भनेको होइन पाकिस्तान बंगलादेश देखि नेपाल र भुटानसम्म भारतमै गाभियोस भन्ने उनको आशय हो कि होइन यस्ताले तराइको आन्दोलन हाकेको दाबी गरेका छन् । के यो कहाबाट सन्चालित हो यसै थाहा हुदैन

अमेरिकामा उनी कसरी पुगे यहा के काम गर्छन उनी बेलाबखत नेपालमा पत्रिका र इन्टरनेट साइट चलाउनेहरुलाई अलिअलि रकम दिएर भारतीय लाइनका नेपाली नेताहरुका। अन्तर्बातार्ता लिन लगाउछन् । यता केही पैसामा बिकेर पत्रकार भनाउदाहरु भारतकै दलालीमा बोलेको कुरा छाप्छन । उनको धन्दा यस्तै छ । आफुलाई महान बनाएर आर्टिकल लेख्दै दुनियाका मेलमा बिना अनमति बग्रेल्ती िलंक पठाएर उनले दुनियालाई दुःख दिएबापत क्षतिपुर्ती तिर्नुपर्दैन अमेरिका बस्नेलाई त यो थाहा हुनुपर्ने उनले अरुको मेल आइडी कसरी थाहा पाए प्राइभेसी ल अनुसार त कारबाही हुन्छ आफु बिदेशिदा ब्रेन ड्रेनको घोषणा गर्नेलाई त थाहा हुनुपर्ने ।

गगन थापासित अकंमाल गरेको फोटो खिचाउदा आफुलाई भाग्मानि ठानेर आर्टिकल लेख्नेले अहिले तिनै थापाहरु अर्थात पहाडेहरुका बिरुद्ध बिषबमन गर्दा कस्तो लाज नलागेको । साइटभरी आफ्ना नानाभातिका फोटो राखेर प्रचार गर्ने भगतले लेखेका अग्रेजीका भाषण कतिजना तराइबासीले पढ्छन त्यो उनलाई के मतलब भगतले त त्यो भाषण आफ्ना मालिकहरुलाई देखाएर पैसा झार्नका लागि हो । साच्चै तराइका लागि सबेदनशील हो भने त कलैयामा आएर जुलुसको नेतृत्व गरुन न । सोझा गरिब मर्ने भगतहरुचाही अमेरिकामा बसेर तर मार्ने

पहाडिया र मधेशीको साम्प्रदायिक सदभाब भडकाएर मान्छे मार्ने खेल हुदैछ । यदी त्यसो भयो भने नेपालको इतिहासमा पहिलोपटक लाखौ मानिस मारिन्छन । देश बिखन्डन पक्का हुन्छ । भगतहरुको मास्टर प्लान यही हो ।

जनअधिकार फोरम भनेको भारतीय दुतावासबाट रकम ल्याएर सास्कृतिक कार्यक्रम गर्ने गोष्ठि गर्ने र एक दुइटा प्रतिबेदन छपाएर मधेशीको नाम भजाउदै पैसा कमाउने एनजिओ होइन यो कुनै पार्टी हो जसले बिचारको आन्दोलन गर्छ त्यहा बसेका नेताहरुको कुण्डल हेर्नुपर्छ कहा कहाबाट सन्चालित छन यसै थाहा हुन्छ ।

उपेन्द्र यादव काठमाडौंको बानेश्वरमा एकजना राजावादीको घरमा भाडामा सायद सित्तैमा बस्छन् । किशोरकुमार बिश्वास भन्ने मण्डले जो सद्भावना पार्टी छाडेर दरवारहुदै भारतीय क्याम्पमा पुग्यो उनी पत्रकारहरुको फोन नम्बर सकलन गर्दै आफ्नो नाम बजाइदिने अनुरोध गरिरहन्छन् । अर्का आफुलाई महासचिब बताउनेचाही उपेन्द्र यादबले बोक्ने ९८४१-४३५७७१ नम्बरको मोबाइल उठाउछन र आफ्नॊ नाम उल्लेख गरेर समाचार लेखिदिन र आफ्नै अन्तरवार्ता लिइदिन करकर गरिरहन्छन् । उनका अन्तरवार्ता लिन मानेन भने उपेन्द्र यादवलाई सम्पर्क हुनै दिदैनन उनी ।

अस्ति भारतको गणतन्त्र दिवसका भारतीय दुतावासमा भएको पार्टीमा फोरमका नेताहरु कसरी कानेखुशीमा मग्न थिए त्यो कुरा सहभागि यो पंक्तिकारलाई थाहा छ । राजेश अहिराज जस्ता नटबरलाल पत्रकारहरु पनि त्यस दिन एक लाख भारुको पुस्तक पुरस्कार लिदै चलमलाइरहेका थिए ।

(यो विचार लेखकको ब्यक्तिगत हो । यसमा हाम्रोब्लगको सहमति अनी असहमति बारे कुनै राय छैन)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha

contd.......

Emperor Ashok has become an icon of Buddhism. He promoted Buddhism in his empire and sent out Dhamma ambassadors to different country. Maghad was origin (Bodhgaya) of Dhamma and from same Maghad itspread out to different directions. Maghad became highly regarded place for shining Buddhism. Education centre of Indian subcontinent shifted from Taxila (200 Km North West of Islamabad, Pakistan) to Nalanda, Maghad. Scholars from all over the Buddhist world began to flow towards Nalanda. You can estimate how many books would there have been; it is said when Muslim invaders set Nalanda university in fire, the books burn for six months.

In short, Maghad became an ideal Buddhist country. Almost all people accepted Buddhism as their religion.

As time passed, Buddhism got polluted. People were practicing useless things by the name of Buddhas teaching. As Buddhas teaching lost its credibility society began to feel that Buddhas teaching needed to be replaced. One strange thing is Budhhas teaching had never reached to South India though it covered most of the Asia. From southern part of India Hinduism begin to spread slowly. Many North Indian Brahmins had accepted Buddhism but there were few conservative Brahmin left who had been following Hinduism. As the Hinduism reappeared from the south, these Brahmins pushed for it. Many people began to get converted back to Hinduism. Those who didn’t get converted were considered lower castes.

Caste system reappeared. Maghad which had image of villain in Puranic age were made the home of Krishna, the eighth incarnation of their new god called Vishnu.

Hindus begin to write Puran few years after Buddha. Puran were written because old Hindu Secret Books like Veda didn’t have space for the new ideas developed by Buddhism and Jainism. To accommodate these new ideas they began to write Purana. They picked two unpopular gods out of thirty three Vedic gods, ie Vishnu and Rudra and began to write arbitrary stories. Since Magad was center for Buddhist, so in Puranic stories Maghad was described as a kingdom of Evil. For example: Jara Sandha, Kansha, etc. Sri Lanka was another evil habitat because it was a Buddhist country.

All most all Maghad were habitat for Yadhavs and almost all of them were Buddhist. To covert these people they generated Krishna. Bashudeva, who was known as Krishna as well, was a mythological character. In ancient India there was a tradition to tell stories to teach moral lesson. This tradition had gone to Greece through Persia. Greek had recorded this tradition in their history. Some of us might have read fable of Aesop.

Ram, Krishna, Janak, Sita, Arjun, youdhistar, Vidur etc were the characters of these moral stories. Puranic writers gave life to these fable characters. Krishna was made fore father of Yadavs, which helped Yadav to get converted to Hinduism. They made Buddha as incarnation of Vishnu’s negativity to eradicate Buddhism completely from Magadha and elsewhere. And finally Buddhism got wiped out form the country of its origin.

Those people who got converted from Buddhism later didn’t get good space in new Hindu society and those who converted too late were considered lower castes. Perhaps Yadavs were got converted to Hinduism quite late. This could be the reason why there are many back ward castes in northern India and they are ruling now.

to be continued............

Visiontar,

Thank you for your kind words towards me, and for sharing your knowledge.

It would be my pleasure to work -- in any capacity -- with forward-looking, energetic and optimistic people like you who are also obviously sensitive to others' concerns, even when you may not
agree with the contents of ALL of others' concerns.

After all, however one defines democracy, its fundamental tenet is freedom of speech, a right to have a voice .. . even when disagreeable opinions spill forth from someone's exercising
that right to have a voice.

A society that cannot tolerate different, idiosyncratic, disagreeable, weird, offbeat, radical thinking individuals amidst its members is
NOT a democratic society . . . no matter how loudly it proclaims to be one.

Meantime, good luck with your project, and best wishes with
everything that you plan to do.

That said, as a Sajha visitor, I am happy that these attacks
against Paramendra have largely subsided here.

oohi
ashu

VISHONTAR :

Some of my Yadav friends used to make claim that they were direct discendent of God Krishna. After all, Krishna was from Yadu (Yadav) dynasty, he was a cow herder like Yadavs of modern time (and buffalo rider), milk/yogurt/butter eater like Yadavs of these days. Now it is another story that the fellow upper caste Madhesis always laughed at this Yadav claim!

I sent you an email. I had a question on some timeline you mentioned that I did not want to discuss in this public forum and ruin the on going beautiful discussion. Will you please respond.

Ashu Dai, thank you! It is my life long project and I can bug you at any time in life.

A sentence, that you have written long time ago in one of your articles is always floating in my memory. I guess that was the time when His Majesty grabbed the power. I don't know the exact sentence but it was something like this:

"No matter how we try to say we are culturally democratic it can not be compared to the modern Democracy which was developed in west"!


Indeed!

Shrestha Ji wrote me:

Vishontar:
Interesting posts in Sajha. However, I like to pint out the timeline of Krishna vs Buddha. Krishna from Yadu Dynasty is mentioned in Mahabharat which is said to be written over 5000 years ago. Krishna's Yadu or Yadav Dynasty already existed in Mahabharat time that was at least 2500 years before Buddha was born. So does not it sound odd for you to say Brahmin wrote Purans and made Krishna from Yadav clan to lure Yadavs into Hindu Religion from Buddhism?




Shrestha Ji,

Thanks for the email. Actually, Mahabharat is not 5000 years old. Modern scholars consider it to be written in between 1st century BC to 1st century AD. It is a mythological story, which has nothing to do with history. The Characters in Mahabharat are the characters of popular fables of the time.

Modern scholars divides Hindu scriptures into two divisions. Before पाणिनी and afterपाणिनी. Panini was a Sanskrit scholar who was born 200 years after Buddha in modern Day Pakistan. Pakistan government has issued a post stamp in his honor though nobody speaks and study Sanskrit in Pakistan today. पाणिनी wrote first grammar of Sanskrit which has become a yard stick to measure the time of Sanskrit scriptures. Any book which follow पाणिनी grammar should obviously be written after पाणिनी. All पुराण and popular Myths like रामायण and माहाभारत were written after पाणिनी, at least 200 years after Buddha. Three Vedas, ऋग्वेद, सामवेद, येजु्र्वेद and some उपनिशद don't follow पाणिनी grammer and are considered before पाणिनी. The oldest Hindu Scripture is Rigveda, which is considered 5000 years old. It gives the life style of people who lived in Modern Day Punjab.

Mahabharat is a myth like Lord of the ring. If lord of the ring were written in India in few century back people would have connecting themselves with Hobits, Elves, Dwarves etc and they will be considering poor weak people as son of wizards or decedent of Galab.

Do you know there are Chinese Kshatriyas who consider themselves as the decedent of Dragons? Now scientists convinced that the mythological Dragons were nothing but dinosaur. How can a particular human be a decedent of Reptile?

There are Ksahtriyas in Nepal and India who considers themselves as son on Sun or Moon. Now scientist has proved that Sun is nothing but a Hydrogen fuel burning to Helium. How can it be a father of some people? How can a Moon, which is not different than the earth, be a father of some specific people?

All I want to say is don't trust ancient Myth. Don't take it as a science because they don't follow the laws of science. Myth are myth, they are complete human imagination. Don't take them as History. Our society need a modern value. We just believe what we have heard and follow like sheep. We have to have a research oriented culture; such culture can only be a progressive culture. We need to do research on so many things we are believing on.

Do you know our ancestors used to believe that the eclipses are the attempts of touching moon by untouchables. If you go to remote places during an eclipse, they will horn crunches with this slogan छोड चमार छोड . Funny isn't it? We need a lot of correction in our culture.

Do you know Hindu Buddhist Mythology consider that the earth is flat. Sun rotates round a tall mountain called सुमेरु पर्बत and makes day and night. सुमेरु stands right in the mids of ocean and water of ocean is protected by walls of land and finally mountains.

These are just examples, I can tell you so many such funny beliefs of our ancestors....

I believe in Science and I encourage others to do so. I don't believe in myth. I don't think our culture was so advance in Past. I believe in evolution. We have way to go to catch the modern culture developed in west. Only positive culture though:)
Incarnation system was a propaganda. Except Buddha all other incarnations are fake characters. The whole propaganda was to eradicate Buddhism. Do you know why they made Buddha as their ninth incarnation? It is not to provide him honor but to demoralize him. I don't want to go in detail in this because i don't have time. Probably today will be the last day I will be able to write in Sajha. I my return back after a break.

View/Share this post only

VISHONTAR :

Please keep on writing. You have a devoted reader here!

Some devoted Hindu will find it hard to swallow that Ved Vyas was born after Buddha.

If your time line is correct, then your research makes sense!

Thanks.

Indian postage stamp on Panini:
http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=3583

WASN'T BUDDHA 24TH BUDDHA OR 23RD?
JUST A QUESTION 9TH TA HAINA JASTO LAGCHA.
COZ SWOYAMBHU BUDDHA JANMINU BHANDA AGADI STAPIT BHAKO HO BHANCHAN.
GALAT NALINUS HAI..SODHEKO MATRA NI PHERI.

Vishontar what is your take on Islam?

Dear Shrestha Ji,

Thank you so much for your kind words; I am indebted. I will certainly try to keep the love and honor you have provided me. In this regard I want to tell one beautiful story:

Dedicated to you:

बेद ब्यास wrote 18 Purana and created incarnation system. All Puranas were written quite after Buddha. From Puran like बिष्णु पुराण, कल्कि पुराण, गरुड पुराण you can easily say why had they be written. They were written to eradicate corrupted Buddhism form the face of India. However, all Puranas accepted Buddhas teaching as their major philosophy. Hindus put Vedic philosophy in background and accepted Buddhist Philosophy. For example: Majority of Geeta verses are Buddha's teaching but they were coming from the mouth of Krishna, a fictitious Character.

I would like to tell you Dhamma from the mouth of Krishna:

Once Krishna said " I love those who don't love me"

Arjun asked "My lord, how can you treat equally to those who love you and who don't love you ?"

Krishana looked at him and replied:

"Arjun I get indebted to those who love me"

Indeed, I feel the same way!

Dear Birbhadra Ji,

How are you my friend? Good to see you again.

In fact you have asked very good question. I believe in science so there is no room for me to believe that this world is created by some supernormal power called Allah. I believe it was generated by a flash of energy called Big-Bang.

I strongly believe in evolution; I believe Amino Acid was created by UV radiation when planet didn't have atmosphere (ozone). So, there is no room for me to believe that Abraham was son of God.

I am against all short of violences, so I don't believe in any type of violences that Islam promotes.

However, I like so many things from Islam; especially a decent life. Decency is my weakness; I feel I will even enjoy being slave of decent people. Muslims have preserved decency in the mist of wild turning world.

Some time ago, I was in a cafeteria. A guy met a girl and said

" How are you doing?"

Girl replied: " I am OK but little bit over sexed"

This is typical western world.

And watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZuyI29gyw&eurl=

This is typical Muslim world that I adore!

विश्वन्तर जी,
तपाईका उच्च कोटीका विचारहरु म खोजिखोजि पढ्छु। धर्म, राजनीति, विज्ञान, साहित्य जस्ता हरेक विषयमा तपाईको निपूर्णता झल्किन्छ। यो तपाईको प्रसंसा होईन, केवल कृतज्ञता हो। आफ्ना यी अमुल्य कुराहरुलाई बाँडिरहनु होला।

साथमा मेरो प्रश्न पनि छ। तपाईले माथि एक ठाउमा हाम्रा पुर्खाहरु विकसित थिएनन् भन्नु भयो। हो, म पनि मानव विकासको विज्ञानमा विस्वास गर्छु। तर कतिपय पहिलेका कुराहरु अझै पनि सशक्त छन्। उदाहरणको लागि – बुद्धले सिकाएका आर्य अष्ठाङ्गिक धर्म मार्ग, पतञ्जलीको योगा, आयुर्वेद आदि। अझ मलाई भारतीय शास्त्रिय संगीत र नृत्य पनि खुब मन पर्छ तर ती कति पुराना हुन थाहा भएन। बुद्धले सिकाएको ध्यान पूर्ण छ, यसमा घटाउनु पर्ने र जोड्नु पर्ने केही छैन भन्ने त मैले तपाईबाट पनि सुनिसकेको छु। पतञ्जलीको योगा सुत्र नि त्यस्तै पूर्ण छ भन्छन्। आयुर्वेदको बारे त भर्खर खोजी हुन थालेको छ। यस हिसाबले त हाम्रा पूर्खा हामी भन्दा विकसित ठहरिएनन् र? अहिले कम्पयुटरको File Encryption (cryptography) technology Julius Caesar को १५०० वर्ष पुरानो algorithm मा आधारित छ। गणित देखि साहित्य, कला जस्ता कुरा पनि पुर्खालाई नै श्रेय दिनु पर्ने छन्। उनीहरुले सिकाएको सरल सुत्र पनि पालान गर्न गाह्रो छ अहिलेको पुस्तालाई। अब हामीले कसरी आफूलाई विकसित मानौ त?

हाम्रो पुस्ता त बढि छक्का पञ्जा र तिकडमबाजमा निपूर्ण देखिन्छ। त्यसैले असत्य र अधर्मको बाटो बढि ढल्किएझै लाग्छ। म त हाम्रो पुस्ताको प्रगति भन्दा दुर्गति पो देख्छु। मैले भन्न खोजेको, सायद हाम्रो पुरानो पुस्ता पो हामी भन्दा विकसित थियो कि? र कुनै कारणवस पुरानो सभ्यताको लोप भयो कि? २-४ सय वर्षको सभ्यता लोप हुंदा लाखौ वर्षको ईभोलुसन प्रकृयामा पनि खासै असर नदेखिएला! के यो सम्भव छैन?

vishontar so you think typical western world and its culture is inferior to "preserved decent" muslim culture?

Mitra2
तपाईको कुरा ठीक लागेन

i also think ayurved works but compared to modern medicine it is insignificant. To understand how modern medicine works you have to study biochemistry it will open your eyes on many things happening at biomolecular level.

about indian classical music and dance they are beautiful but so are the modern music and dance. It depends on taste.

gyaan bhanne kura पूर्ण kahile pani hudaina. Tyesaile buddha lai tyesto unnecessary credit nadiu.
trying to relate caesar to computer is not fair. Just because our "purkha" knew how to add 1 and 1 and get 2 you can't give credit of modern mathematics to them it is unfair. remember that our "purkhas' used to believe the earth was flat even few hundred years ago. I bet even buddha didn't know that the earth is a shperical mass.

अब हामीले कसरी आफूलाई विकसित मानौ त?
To answer this question you have to first define what विकसित means?
If this is what it means then yes:
1. Travel: it takes less than a day to get around the globe
2. disease: people used to die just with simple disease like cholera (haija) just few decades ago. still do in undeveloped places
3. food: gita ma bhanya cha that our body is made from food (only veggies), food comes from rain and rain comes from performing yagya. It is a very logical explanation for ancient time even a revolutionary. It is no longer true esp the yagya part.
4. electronics: if it weren't for modern invention you wouldn't be able to put your question to an unknown person in cyberspace.

Vishonter Jee!!
You are doing great buddy !!
But this thread is not appropriate to pour the philosophical arguments. Why don't you start a new thread!
just a suggestion...

Mitra Ji,

First of all I am quite indebted for your love; I am honored and I am obliged. Do you think I deserve such a high regard :)? I have lot of love in my heart for you and it has never been enough. We are soulmates in Sajha since years and we are soulmates for ever.

To answer your questions in short, Meditation, Yoga and Ayurveda are incomparable gift of our ancestors. We must use them and treasure them. However, if we compare ourselves to modern civilization, we are far behind. Civilizations comes and go! 7000 years ago Sumerians were most advanced people. But today the decendent of these mighty Sumerians are in poor condition. Then came Egyptians, Chinese, Inidans, Persian Greeks, Romans, Arab, Mayans, Inkas etc. But none of these last for longer.

If you exclude Roman, the entire western world had never shine before until the end of small ice age ie 16th century. We are living in dark age since more than 2000 years. Those people who lived in this duration were our ancestors.They were the one who killed living woman by the name of Sati. They were the one who considered human secrifice is the greatest of secrifice. They were the one who believed people are divided by birth and so many other things... Now I am leaving you to analyze and judge their action whether they were civilized.

Now western world has lot to offer to the world. They have collected infinite treasure of knowledge and their civilization has higher value then ours. We have to take from them and get civilized...........only good things though :).

Birbhadra Ji,

I am like a bee who takes necture from any flower who has it, despite its color, size and kind. I accept wholesome from any civilization. Good is good no matter who has that. I appreciate many good things from western world.

I think we had enough discussion before. Please lets end it here, we will continue some other time. I want to finish what I want to write in this thread and take a vacation. We will certainly have conversation when I return.........

Regards,
Vishowntar
..........................................................................


Lamkane Jee,

I am honored with your kind words; I will treasure your loving kindness. We will certainly discuss things in new thread next time. This time I am pretty close to end my Sajha Visit :); perhaps tomorrow will be the last day. Getting lot of love in Sajha and hope tomorrow I will enjoy the fullest; after all tomorrow is a Valentine day, the day of love. Happy Valentiine day to all of you friends.

Waiting for my Valentine Present :).

Sajha is like a morphin and I don't like any kid of adictions. I will certainly come back though to share something good and substantial with friends like you. However, please don't hesitate to email me if you have some specific questions and you believe that I can have reasonable answers :).

Regards,
Vishowntar