HOR declares Nepal “untouchability free” country

In yet another major announcement, the reinstated House of Representatives on Sunday unanimously endorsed a proposal to declare Nepal a country “free of untouchability and all kinds of discrimination.”

The legal and constitutional status of the proposal, however, remains unclear.

Moving a proposal of “urgent public importance,” a lawmaker of the CPN (UML), Parshuram Neghi Gurung, called on so-called dalit community—that constitutes 16 percent of the country’s 27 million population—in all processes of making new constitution and ending all sorts of discriminatory policies and practices including so-called untouchability.

The proposal calls for mobilization of special economic programme for education, health and employment for dalits and those under the absolute poverty line to their status.

The constitution of the kingdom of Nepal 1990 prohibits all types of discrimination against citizens on the basis of caste, gender or religion. But activists said a number of discriminatory provisions and laws were still in practice.

Addressing the House session on Sunday, Minister for Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs Narendra Bikram Nemwang said untouchability was a social crime and that the government would introduce a new bill soon to make necessary amendments in the existing Act.

Earlier, the House of Representatives has already declared Nepal a secular state and asked the government to formulate laws so as to issue citizenship certificated to children in the name of their mother. Earlier, the certificate could be issued in the name of father only.

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Discrimination:

Most I hate is discrimination. In Muslim world there is no discrimination in the form of caste system but the discrimination is well rooted in different form. Discrimination means one feel superior over other. Discrimination between haves and have-nots is universal but fighting for superiority is very common in the Muslim world. Every family (कबिला) tries their best to prove themselves superior over other.

Do you know this? Arab Muslims consider Pakistani Muslims as second class. You know why? Because Pakistanis are not direct descendent of Abraham! Funny isn’t it?

Once I was flying back to Nepal via Doha, Qatar, I met so many Nepali in the airport. By nature as I am very much interested in culture and tradition, I couldn’t afford to miss the chance to learn something about Arabian culture from those people who have directly experienced it. Many Nepali workers were working in private houses instead of companies. They told me that their employers were so rude and treat them as animal. These employees are considered something like slave and the number of employees (slaves) determines the prestige in the society; more employees…more prestigious. Those who are relatively poor should also have servant for social welfare. During the time of marriage they hire more servants for show off. What a horrifying culture! What a primitive mentality!

There is big discrimination in Muslim world among them. The so called superior ones don’t want to have relationship with inferior ones, this leads to the horrifying cultures like Honor Killing and Mass Rape.

Muslim discriminate non-Muslims, they don’t recognize any other religion. There should be no doubt about it. Here is a statement by a Muslim woman.

अंद्राबी कहती हैं, "अगर आप मुझे कट्टरपंथी कहें तो मुझे इससे कोई परेशानी नहीं है. मैं इस्लाम धर्म में विश्वास करती हैं. मैं धर्मनिरपेक्षता में विश्वास नहीं करती. मैं नहीं मानती की सभी धर्म बराबर हैं और अच्छे हैं." -BBC Hindi.

Perhaps this is the reason why Muslim can not form Homogenous mixture in any society. They are insoluble even among themselves.

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Rituals:

Pilgrimage
Every year many Hajj pilgrims die while they run to throw stone to a Pillar which is considered to be a symbol of devil. What a superstition!!!! Millions of pilgrims race for hitting the Pillar, those who are weak fall on the path and other walk over them mercilessly. This way many people got killed; the number mostly goes in three digits. 345 people died this year alone. What a pilgrimage!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4606002.stm


Animal Killing:

Since Buddhist don’t kill animals; all Buddhist countries like Sri Lanka, Burma, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia etc have Muslim butchers.

Australia supplies millions of livestock per year to Arabic world for sacrificing ceremony.

Last year BBC had posted some images of sacrificed animal in Bangladesh during Id. I couldn’t see the images, they are so horrifying. Dashain killing is nothing compare to them. India supplies hundreds of thousands of livestock to Bangladesh during Id.

They end their holiest pilgrimage by killing animals commemorating Abraham sacrificing his son for Allah. What a superstition!

Camel race:
Poor children, about four years old, from Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan are brought to Persian Gulf every year for Camel race. Children ride over Camels... Children cry and that cry make camel to run. Some of them fall from the camels and get killed …….. Read about this horrible culture…………

Each year, many are seriously injured and several are stampeded to death by camels. They are provided no medical treatment whatsoever and those who die are buried in the desert in unmarked graves. They are not allowed to leave their lives of miseries and those who try to escape are killed. According to the Ansar Burney Trust, in one such incident a child camel jockey was killed when his owner ran over him in his truck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_racing

Can you imagine this can happen in civilized world ???????!!!!!!!!!!!

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VISHONATAR!!
I am not going to stop you here !!!:)
only if u talk $hit about my religion.Muslims can oppose you.I m just keeping quiet because these modern hindus have been blaming hinduism too much.They have tried to prove other religion superior to hindu.That is what i didn't like.they talk about scarifice and stuff in hindu but that are in other religion too.well, people can understand more about muslaman now.

Locked Idea:

There is a highly sophisticated electronic device called Lock-in Amplifier. If you set a reference signal of particular amplitude, frequency and phase, it will detect only that signal and consider rest of the signals as noise and filter them out. It blocks the other signals and locks the reference signal, that’s why it is called Lock-in. Most of the Muslims are Human Lock-ins. They will filter out all ideas other than Islam. All ideas other than Islam are bogus and noise for them. This is true for most of the Muslim, may not be true for new converters like you because you are open minded. One thing I can predict that your children will not be as open minded as you are!

Islam locks your mind. Islam means submission. You have to surrender completely surrender yourself. “Allah hu Akwar, Mahommad Rasuallah = I believe Allah is supreme and Muhammad is his messenger”. You shouldn’t doubt anything about Islam, if you doubt, you are not Muslim and you are in great danger. A Muslim dare not doubt any single idea of Islam no matter how illogical, irrational, and unscientific is it.

You must be very much thankful to Hindu-Buddhist culture and tradition. Despite their so many imperfections and limitations they didn’t lock your mind. You can openly go against any wrong ideas of Hinduism and Buddhism. Some will agree/ some will disagree, but nobody will come to stop you instead many wise people will come to back you. However, this is not true in Islam.

It is the gift of Hindu-Buddhist tradition that you are reading Koran and finding appealing to you. If you were Muslim girl, you dear not read Geeta or Tripithak. You wouldn’t even touch them, you would say नापाक means impious. Your mind would have been lucked. You dare not to transgress Islam. You would die with the belief that there is nothing better then Islam as almost all Muslims die. They don’t know what Hinduism/Buddhism has to offer, but they blindly believe that Hinduism and Buddhism are paganisms and are wrong ideas. They believe Judaism and Christianity are right ideas but fully corrupted. So, most of the Muslim blindly believes (they don’t study other religions) that only Islam is right and rest are bogus. Belief …………Mere belief ………. Blind belief ………….. Can this be scientific? How can you declare something without through comparative study???!!!!

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I am thankful to Hindu-Buddhist tradition for not locking my mind up. I can objectively observe the things and ideas. I can openly condemn the wrong Hindu/Buddhist practices and I can openly disagree with the scriptures.

I consider myself one of the greatest rebels in Hinduism and Buddhism. I have been saying that Puranas are fake literatures. Krishna, Ram etc are not historical figures. Buddha is not an incarnation. I don’t believe in cast system. I stand against wrong practices like Dashian. Hindu leaders will not put prize over my head as Muslim has done for the writer (Salman Rushidi) and translators of “the Satanic Verses”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses_%28novel%29

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death" 1. As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of the book was stabbed to death in July 1991, Ettore Capriolo, the Italian translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month, and William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October 1991. On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.

I am a Hindu; however, I fought for secular country. And there are millions Hindus in Nepal who wanted secular country and now we are secular country. We should proud of this. Can you imagine this would have happened in Muslim country?

Why the Hindu population is rapidly decreasing in Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan? Ask to Taslima Nasrin! She tried to answer this question in her nobel Lajja and had to flee her country.

In 1994, organized groups identified with religious fundamentalists demanded her execution by hanging after she was quoted in The Statesman stating that "…the Koran should be revised thoroughly."

http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/users/sawweb/sawnet/news/nasrin.html

You can easily write Lajja in Nepal, any story against Hindu extremist. I hate all extremists but Hindu/Buddhist extremists are comparatively tolerant. However, they are also learning extremist secrets from Muslim extremists.

Unlike declining Hindu population in Pakistan and Bangladesh, Muslim population is increasing in heavily Hindu/Buddhist populated Nepal. This could also a matter of pride for Hindu and Buddhists.

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Its funny the other day I mentioned about Taslima, and today she is once again in BBC news.

BBC Hindi:
बांग्लादेश की निर्वासित लेखिका तस्लीमा नसरीन की ज़िंदगी पर फिर मौत का खतरा मंडराने लगा है. वो इस समय दुनिया की सबसे विवादित और चर्चित लेखिका हैं.

बांग्लादेश में तो उनकी हत्या का फ़तवा इस्लामी कट्टरपंथियों ने तभी जारी कर दिया था जब उन्होंने ‘लज्जा’ नामक उपन्यास लिखा था.

जान बचाने के लिए उन्हें अपना देश छोड़कर नॉर्वे में शरण लेनी पड़ी थी. यह वर्ष 1993 की बात है.

इसके बाद से यह विद्रोही लेखिका लगातार भाग रही है और मौत के फ़तवे उसका पीछा कर रहे हैं लेकिन बेहद चिंता की बात यह है कि अब भारत में भी उनकी मौत का फ़तवा जारी कर दिया गया है.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/entertainment/story/2006/06/060628_kamaleshwar_column2.shtml

I think this much is enough for wise people to understand what Modern Islam is.

Of course there are very good people inside Islam who live wholesome life. I admire them, respect them and feel very close to them. Goodness doesn't have any religion, it is the greatest religion itself and follower of this religion are very few but they are almost equally distributed around the globe. Goodness will be the only religion of the planet when the civilization will reach at its peak.

Next I will write about real Hinduism ......its link to Buddhism ..........

Felicity ta vagi saki vishontar brother...kaslai sunako ??we all know that. felicity ta now will be fatahma issuing mulla .ahahahahah.first one will be in your name .bro ,so you may have to run away from usa to norway .hehehehehe. watch out !!1what you say in sajah. they might have some spies..hahhaha
(just kidding sweety(felicity.. keep on reading koran :). its good stuff!!!aha!

IMI Ji, thank you so much for using the word borther for me .... which sounds closer than friend...

Felicity, Fatima, Fulmati ......... all sound same to me. Felicity will remain Felicity no matter whether she change her religion or not. No religion has capacity to change a person until the person oneself strive hard for change. That striving for change can not be tagged as Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or anything else. It's just an act "Striving".

If ou want to be a good person, you have to practices goodness ... if you ou want to be kind person, practices kindness .... if you want to be generous, just practice generosity, donation....

Develop good qualities, qualities are universal. Tag of Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian will do nothing. They are useless.

I doubt that Felicity Ji will be issueing Fatama on my name. She is converting Muslim and I believe she is open minded. I wouldn't be surprised if she were born Muslim and decleared Fatama on my name. Moreover, I have said nothing against Islam; I have just collected what have already been published. Hope she will consider me :).

Hello Vishontar ji:

Could you please analyze the brain of Prachanda and Baburam? Please wrote something about your views about their bains, how they work, how they think, why they think so?

What makes me a हिन्दु?

हिन्दु means शिन्धु in Persian. Persian use ह for स। for example, सोम in Sanskrit called होम in Persian; both means Moon God as well as Alcohol. सुर in Sanskrit is called हुर in Persian. अहुर (‍‌‌असुर) is the greatest deity in अभेस्थ (Persian बेद) where as it is the greatest devil in वेद. Contrary to अभेश्थ, वेद consider सुर (ईन्द्र) as the greatest Deity. I don’t want to go in detail of this; all I mean is Persian and Sanskrit has very old relationship which goes back to Vedic era.

Persian had given name हिन्द to the land after हिन्दु (सिन्धु in Sanskrit) River to हिमालय. Those who lived in this land were called हिन्दु.

I live in this land, which makes me a हिन्दु.

It was Persian Empire which made this land (from Sindhu to Himalaya) known to the West. Later Greek named the land as India after Indus River which is Greek version of शिन्धु River. ऊपनिसद were first translated in Persian.

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Karma Ji, I will certainly do that, please give me some time.... let me first finish what I have planned to write in this thread....

I have mentioned before that I am a proud Hindu and I want to make clear what makes me a proud Hindu...

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As I told before हिन्दु is the name given by Persian to the people who lived in the land between the Indus River and Himalaya; as a native of the land I literally am a Hindu. Regarding the spiritually practices, am I a Hindu?

This question can not be answered in Yes or No. The answer will be illustrative …. Brief answer is -I am as well as I am not. To make my point clear let me tell you my understanding of Hinduism.

If you go to the rare past, Hinduism can be divided into two parts; one Ritual ….another spiritual.

Ritual
Those who practices ritual were mostly householders, and they used to practice them for their personal benefit ... out of greed. Like the rituals of today, most of these rituals didn’t seem logical, rational and scientific. These rituals were called यज्ञ। गोघातक यज्ञ (गो‌+घात‍ = ‍गाइ+मार्ने), अश्वमेध यज्ञ (घोडा मार्ने) are some of the popular यज्ञs ( Don’t get surprised that the Hindus in the past used to eat cow, this is the truth, you can't run away from it). Most of these Yegays used to be dedicated to demigods; mostly for some personal benefit…. Pretty much same as what most of the Hindus do today. Today Hindus worship idols, this concept came only after Alexender the Great attaced India. Greek were the frist who introduced idoles in Hindu Land. The first idole made my Greek were of Buddha, which is now in Pakistan. Buddha in the idole looked like a western warrier.

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These people, who practices rituals, seem to be naïve, and ignorance. Their practices were completely illogical, irrational and unscientific. All were based on belief .... mere belief. They used to have different types of beliefs. For example: Some believed there was one God who created everything and who monitored and controlled everything in the nature. Where as other believed there were many gods in-charge of different natural phenomena … like Indra controlled the rain … Agni controlled the fire and so on so forth. All total there were 33 gods in Veda who were in-charge of different natural phenomena.

Some believed there is soul inside the body, where as other believed there is nothing. Some believed there is a Super-soul (पर्मात्मा) from which souls (अत्मा) were generated and after death souls got dissolved with super-soul. Some believed soul and super-souls are different (द्वेतबादी) others believed both are same (अद्वेतबादी). Some believed in life after death, where as other didn’t. Some believed in merit and demerits where as other didn’t.

Like today many people were believers and there were so many beliefs. At the time of Buddha, there were over hundreds of beliefs, and about 26 of them were very popular in the society. Buddha explained them to great detail in व्रह्मजाल शुत्र.

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"Today Hindus worship idols, this concept came only after Alexender the Great attaced India. Greek were the frist who introduced idoles in Hindu Land."

I dispute this: cause hindus comes from Aryans .these aryans used to worship stone idols.much before greek civilization.so to say idol worshipping came from Alexander wouldn't be correct .however.. They have much similar concepts as idol worshipping.The idol worshipping came to Hindu land much almost 1000-2000 years before.

Hindu religion is the most scientific..logical compilation of thoughts and rituals as far as other civilization and religion is concerned..It guides a person step by step daily rituals for personal well begin and happiness.It focuses of Karama and Dharma..how can it be non-logical??religion is nothing but a path for spritual satifaction and guide to lead a contentful life.

rituals were born from spritual thoughts.. when one cannot fully dive into the pool of spirtuallity a easier approach set up rules and set of boundaries .. which becomes method and in long run becomes rituals.

ajhai samma tyo hinduko discussion...baba nasskinnee cha...

ImI Ji, I liked your points and decide to tangle for sometime instead of continuing..

Ancient Hindus:
Like Mesopotamians and Egyptians, ancient Hindus were multi god worshipers. However, there is no evidence that they used to worship idols of the gods.

One excavation in Harappa (Pakistan, Bank of Indus River) found some pottery idols but they are not matching to any modern day gods. Harrppa is the oldest Hindu civilization which is considered to be contemporary to Egyptians.

Till the time of Buddha, there used to be shrines. These shrines were not like today's temple. They were not containing any idols but they used to have relic buried inside them. People used to pay visit to these shrines, walked around them, offer scantly wood, and worship. They were called Chetiya, and most of them were dedicated to some great spritual Yogis. The relics used to be any physical things associated to these Yogis. The oldest shrines survived were considered be of साची, मध्यप्रदेश, भारत; which was dedicated to Buddha.

http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/india/sanchi/san0.html

Unlike these days during Vedic period there was no tradition to built temple for gods and get their statue established inside. The most popular Vedic Hindu gods were इन्द्र (God of rain), अग्नि(God of fire), Barun (God of ocean), सोम (Moon god) and आदित्य (Sun god). They used to arrange यज्ञs and call for (आवहान) these Gods to take part in. The hymns, which were used to call Devas were called मन्त्र. Unlike today’s यज्ञ almost all of these यज्ञs used to be very violent. Animals used to be sacrificed to make Gods happy with the hope of getting fortune.

Until king अशोक, it seems, there was no tradition of carving statue or idol. अशोक, the grandson of चन्द्रगुप्त, was three generation after Alexander, because चन्द्रगुप्त was contemporary to Alexander. Since idols begun to be seen only after अशोक, it is considered that Greeks brought the technology. Buddha, who has largest number of statue in the world, didn’t have any until Greeks came. Greeks were the first who begun to make Buddha statue. These early statues of Buddha looks like that of Western Warrior.

The Hinduism that we see today is pretty new. To describe the new ideas developed by Buddhism and Jainism, Hindus started to write पुराण. They side lined वेद and its Major Gods and introduced new Gods like विष्णु and शिव (Concept of Brahma is little different I will write about it later). विष्णु and रुद्र (There is no Shiva in Veda) were not that famous Gods in वेद but पुराण made them Heroes. They introduced incarnation system. यज्ञ were made less violent, almost everything got changed in Puranic era.

The Hinduism that we follow today (go to temple, worship idols etc) was mainly introduced by शंकराचार्य in 14th century. He was the man who built many temples and borrowed the concept of चारधाम from Buddhism. Buddhist called चारधाम to लुम्बिनी (where he was born), वोधगया (where he got enlightenment), सारनाथ (where he delivered his first discourse) and कुसिनगर (where he died). One of my friends, a Sanskrit graduate student at UC Berkeley, would like to say; पुराण Hinduism is much like Buddhism. It is true because पुराण were written to accommodate new ideas developed by Buddhism and Jainism.

Interesting vishontar...

Dear Friends,

I am back here. I am I... aka IMI....Felicity bhageko haina...because, since I had already given my final verdict on this matter before I left, I dont think yoiu can say ki felicity bhagi bhanera. I know u were kidding, and so am I in discussing this with you.

Jokes aside, I was way too busy.

Vishontar... as ever, your vast knowledge impresses me. I just hope that you do not take media word for word (achheras: ?). Media and politics and controversies and intricately woven plans..... who is not aware of this?.. oh whom am I kidding...Vishontar surelyknows these all and sure filters media.

Well, anyways, I am again finally thanking you all for all your inputs in providing me enlightment. However, what may be good for one person may not suit the other. All, i am saying is, I have to find the truth for myself. I am open to learning....but decision is still my own...which may not be the best but at least which should convey the fact that IT IS INDEED THE BEST FOR ME>>>... u know... FOR ME>.... so whatever felicity decides may not refute your idea of the truth...but the truth she decides to follow. When we were children, we were told from our loved ones that dont go near fire it will burn you..... but we do taht regardless...aand we get burned... and viola...tahts the truth of life.... YOU HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THINGS ON YOUR OWN AND YOU WILL KNOW.... THATS the human nature. Okay.....here is an example..... mom and dad want their only son...say hari...to be a doctor. He studies medicine but could not kae a good doctor....it is just not in him...than he does what he wants... he becomes a painter...and he become succesfulkl and happy. So that is the BEST thing tat happened to him.... which definitely does not mean "doctor" is a bad [rofession.....it just wasn;t for HIM....FOR HIM.....Every person is cut out to be someone or they chose to shape their own life. So, again these are my FINAL words..... I will sure ponder upon all the knowledge you all have provided...and yet, I would like to decide on my own what is good FOR ME...how would i find my inner peace is up to me.

Again, I am parting with amiable feelins from this thread. I am really busy and may not get back on sajha for a long time and even if I do come back...I dont want to be obliged to report to this thread my presence. Hopefully you all will say goodbye to me in an amiable environment and hence, not make any rash comments on my being out of this thread. I HAVE said my final words.

Lastly, you guys are really wise group of people and I hope our paths will cross someday and that I get to learn more from you.

Thank you!

With blessings and love,
Felicity

P.S.... Excuse the typos. I am on a tight schedule and so can not re-read what I have written...just went with a flow of my feelings. Good luck to you all. And PEACE for the world!

hey felicity ,
welcome back:)
Sad to see you won't be back for a while:(

My suggestion to you: choose what is best for you .Just do things that makes you happy.After all , we are just looking ways to be happy!!!