The slogan has been "Hands up! Don't shoot". There was Zimmerman vs Treyvon Martin & now this is Wilson vs Mike Brown. I don't know what's the verdict will be in this case. But don't you think the Black community has done harm to themselves by all that looting and burning stuffs up? They say " hands up don't shoot" but how about "hands down don't loot"? They are absolutely profiled and prejudiced but they need to bring their act together and not let these events happen over again and again. Nobody will shoot you just because you're black not at least in today's world.

The situation has escalated from people protesting against the police brutality and killing of unarmed 18 old Mike Brown to a whole different level. It's become a class warfare, the battleground between haves and haves not. You can see the people's frustration that has been accumulated over the years of racial disparity and economic slavery.
I used to work just next block of ground zero of Mike Brown's protest until couple of years ago. Working at one of the Fortune 500 company was one thing but driving to work through Ferguson was a daily challenge. This place was a dirt, empty houses with no roofs, out of business places covered with ply boards, fences, closed schools; this place was like Afghanistan or Palestine after the war.
I have came to know that the company where I used to work is building a manufacturing plant in the same location. Imagine the years of planning that went through displacing people's houses nearby and acquiring their cheap land. There are couple of established companies in the same neighborhood and many more are attracted to build one. You would think, this will bring more business and tax revenue to the city. Yes, but none of the black people will be working at the high paying position. That will all go to White and privileged Ivy League grads and black people will be serving food in the cafeteria, cleaning bathrooms, mailman and cutting grass.
I think Black people are like the volcano that is about to erupt and the Tsunami following that. Right now young and majority of Black people are smoking their frustration with the weed; once they sober there will be another 18 years old shot dead by the police in their front yard, big corporation are planning to foreclose their house and new casinos plus strip clubs will be built..then it will be too late. If they want a place in the society, they need to fight for it; if they want their dignity they need to earn it; if they want equal respect they need to learn to respect and revolt.

Culture Culture Culture, folks.

@Ruben just a simple logic bro , are you white ? Are you by born millionaire ??
We people from different world came here somehow and working and studying as hell to make life better and earning some respect. And those AA people who were born here, have alot of opportunity instead are doing nothing ! Applying food stamps , robbing people. Not working !!
U want to change world , u need to start from urself.

The Introduction:

His friend who was also a part of the robbery cannot be a credible witness. This video is the aftermath of the shooting. Unknowingly, someone is describing exactly the incident at about 5:40 of the video, listen carefully. He says exactly what the police has described. Camera phone can do miracle.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The Racist Reality:
Your first college friend will be a 'white' guy >>Not necessarily, my first non Nepali friends were blacks.

You will graduate with mostly 'white' students >> It depends on where you school is, if your school in based off of big city then whites will be a minority there, remote colleges however can have more whites graduating.

You first job and the boss will be 'white' >> Utter BS or racism here. The first boss can be an Indian, Chinese, Mexican, or white.

Your coworker mostly will be 'white'. >>> This is load of crap, your true colleague will be non white most likely. Whites are not going to hang out with your sorry brown ass unless there is absolutely no other white in the team.

Your hang around weekend buddies will be mostly 'white'. >> LMAO....now i have to assume you live in South Dakota or Vermont where 99% whites live.

You buy a house and the location you prefer is 'white', you neighbors are mostly 'white'. >>> Do you own a house? You buy house with higher income neighborhood if you can afford it. You do not give a fk what color people live there. Most good neighborhoods are well diverse high income neighborhood.

You open a business and your first customer will be 'white', most of ALL of your customers are 'white'. LMAO....seriously? where do you live? Blacks are the biggest spenders on the businesses Nepalese are most likely get into.

You start a company and start hiring and most of the qualified candidates are 'white'. >> the most qualified employees are someone like yourself who will ring register for $7 per hr with a death threat. You are not going to create Google and look for Chinese and Indian talents. Whites are too far away for you to fetch.

The biggest issue all of you racist fks are overlooking is that if this was some EMINEM dude instead of a 50 cent dude you all would have said it was an unfair death. This is a murder and the question we need to ask is what gave that white cop this much courage to shoot someone at a point blank 6 times including two shots at head.

This cop would not have killed the person if it was a white thug but since it was a black thug it gave him that extra courage to go beyond his duty and kill a person like a dog. I can totally see why blacks are irate about this. This keeps on happening over and over and there seems to be no end to it.

In Nepal, Janajati want to chop Bahun's head for occupying major positions in the state, imagine what Nepali Janajati would do if Bahuns were actually shooting them like dogs in public.

Sidster,
I don't want to argue for the sake of argument. I started out (read carefully) from a student's perspective. If I get some time, I'll write you back point for point.
Wait and see who is racist and who is the better person - your gentle, cute baby (300 lbs, 6.4 ft) who robbed a store or a decorated police officer. Time will tell after all the investigation. No need to call out 'racism' if you cannot stand the reality or face someone's opinion. Jesus, you fart infront of a black person these days, they will call you racist. America is going down the drain with useless priorities.

Vootee,

Are you trying to make a point that since bunch of blacks killed bunch of other whites this white cop killing a black is justified?

What i am saying here is that the racist mentality like yours multiplies our emotions in a geometric ratio. Like i said, if this was some white dude the cop would have never killed the person, since it was black his prejudgement for blacks and his superiority of being a white led him to kill consciously or unconsciously.

Think about Nepalese attitude towards a local Newar Vegetable seller and a Madhesi vegetable seller. If they do not like the price they will say " kina yesto manhango sahuji" to the local Newar seller but if its a madeshi then they will directly say " thagna/lootna aako ta haamilai yaha?" That extra courage and strength comes out because the buyer feels stronger against the Taraibaasi Madhesi. The issue is similar here, the white dude's emotions explodes when it comes to what he thinks is inferior and takes that action. Now you might even justify yourself of your racism by saying Madhesis steal, loot, and burn their wives alive so discriminating them is justified.

What i know from your postings is that somehow you find whites the gods of human behavior and rest as sub humans. Your logic is severely flawed.

As I mentioned in the other post http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=109949 , this saga is generally perceived at the micro race level whereas it encompasses a broader problem of excessive use of force by police in general.

It is unlikely that someone who is unarmed and has been shot 4 times in the leg keeps advancing and causes so much threat that the only resort is to shoot him in the head to kill him.

This kind of excessive use for force has been prevalent in an increasing number of cases and a federal law need to be considered on how to prevent such excessive use of force. The police, who are meant to protect the citizens cannot be so trigger happy so as to kill the citizens at the slightest offense.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/?tid=pm_pop

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.


A teenager is fatally shot by a police officer; the police are accused of being bloodthirsty, trigger-happy murderers; riots erupt. This, we are led to believe, is the way of things in America.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies.

Working the street, I can’t even count how many times I withstood curses, screaming tantrums, aggressive and menacing encroachments on my safety zone, and outright challenges to my authority. In the vast majority of such encounters, I was able to peacefully resolve the situation without using force. Cops deploy their training and their intuition creatively, and I wielded every trick in my arsenal, including verbal judo, humor, warnings and ostentatious displays of the lethal (and nonlethal) hardware resting in my duty belt. One time, for instance, my partner and I faced a belligerent man who had doused his car with gallons of gas and was about to create a firebomb at a busy mall filled with holiday shoppers. The potential for serious harm to the bystanders would have justified deadly force. Instead, I distracted him with a hook about his family and loved ones, and he disengaged without hurting anyone. Every day cops show similar restraint and resolve incidents that could easily end up in serious injuries or worse.

Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic. We are still learning what transpired between Officer Darren Wilson and Brown, but in most cases it’s less ambiguous — and officers are rarely at fault. When they use force, they are defending their, or the public’s, safety.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?



I know it is scary for people to be stopped by cops. I also understand the anger and frustration if people believe they have been stopped unjustly or without a reason. I am aware that corrupt and bully cops exist. When it comes to police misconduct, I side with the ACLU: Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves. I also believe every cop should use a body camera to record interactions with the community at all times. Every police car should have a video recorder. (This will prevent a situation like Mike Brown’s shooting, about which conflicting and self-serving statements allow people to believe what they want.) And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go. Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.

But if you believe (or know) that the cop stopping you is violating your rights or is acting like a bully, I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment. Worse, initiating a physical confrontation is a sure recipe for getting hurt. Police are legally permitted to use deadly force when they assess a serious threat to their or someone else’s life. Save your anger for later, and channel it appropriately. Do what the officer tells you to and it will end safely for both of you. We have a justice system in which you are presumed innocent; if a cop can do his or her job unmolested, that system can run its course. Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don’t challenge a cop during a stop.

An average person cannot comprehend the risks and has no true understanding of a cop’s job. Hollywood and television stereotypes of the police are cartoons in which fearless super cops singlehandedly defeat dozens of thugs, shooting guns out of their hands. Real life is different. An average cop is always concerned with his or her safety and tries to control every encounter. That is how we are trained. While most citizens are courteous and law abiding, the subset of people we generally interact with everyday are not the genteel types. You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you. Did I just get a radio call of a shooting moments ago? Am I looking for a murderer or an armed fugitive? For you, this might be a “simple” traffic stop, for me each traffic stop is a potentially dangerous encounter. Show some empathy for an officer’s safety concerns. Don’t make our job more difficult than it already is.

Community members deserve courtesy, respect and professionalism from their officers. Every person stopped by a cop should feel safe instead of feeling that their wellbeing is in jeopardy. Shouldn’t the community members extend the same courtesy to their officers and project that the officer’s safety is not threatened by their actions?

Vootee,

I am going to make some points and help you understand few things.

1. I have been working for a company that lists within Fortune 15 companies for last 10 years and i started there with a six figure salary 10 years ago.

2. You talked about owning a home but my car will probably fetch more money than the house you live in.

3. 17 years in us is quite some time but to put you in perspective i remember when people like you had just arrived in US 17 years ago and used to come to my house for a treasured "daal bhaat" and free beer.

4. Sucking on Mom's tities......if i estimate your maturity wih 17 years in US and possibly got here when you were 19 thesis, I was probably dating and fooling with you Mommas back home before she was married to your poppa. You probably think 17 years in US is lots of years to churn but there are folks who have done 30 years in this country and if you had experienced the racism they went through in their time you would not be talking half ass right now.

5. Here is how i know you are stricken with the sickness of racism and prejudgement, nowhere in your multi line post you have ever looked at it from the angle of whether the excessive force was used and whether that excessive force had anything to do with the pre existing social racism and prejudgement in this society. Just because you think blacks less worthy or civilized than the whites it does not mean that the laws applies lesser to them. Its blacks today, tomorrow it will be Mexicans and soon it will be Asians. These kind of behavior should always be condoned and not justified.

A criminal got shot while trying to snatch the officer's weapon, intimidate and attack. The police officer got angry, scared , violated and shot the criminal multiple times, unjustifiable? possibly, did the criminal deserve to be killed, maybe not but at the end of the day you don't mess with the po po.

LMFAO 

Vhootee "A redneck racist calls a Punjabi 'towelhead'. The next day, the punjabi guy buys the store where this redneck works and he fires him immediately and hands a note saying 'You're fired redneck - From towelhead'

This is how we handle racist people, cause we can."

And what happens if a Punjabi does not have means to buy the store? With your argument, he will have to submit to the redneck's comment. What a dumb way of arguing.
You racist nepalese nothing but white people's bit*h. Like sidster said, you consider them as super humans while they are laughing at your face. If some of them can be racist against blacks, why can't they be racists againts you guys? Do you think you guys are special and better than blacks? You nepalese living in the US are in the boat as the blacks. But it is definitely harder to fight againts the atrocities and racisme of some whites; so you align yourself with them and bit*h about the blacks because they are the weaker side....bunch of cowards.

Go read some books about how blacks were treated and look around and see how they are still treated today to understand their anger and frustration.
Until 1960 s, in Little Rock, Arkansas, blacks were denied to drink from the same water fountain.
And that was not a long time ago.......

After hundreds of protesters got arrested and there were not too many that showed up yesterday, there has been an increase in support for the police that shot Michael Brown.

Although I have high respect for the police who have to put their life at risk to protect the society and I respect people who have non faltering support for them, we should be cautious about blindly supporting everything they do. In this instance there was definitely an excessive use of deadly force, and this is becoming a commonplace occurence and people have to raise their voice at these things because tomorrow you can be at the receiving end of this excessive force.

Excessive use of deadly force on an unarmed person should never be encouraged or supported. The officer could have easily subdued Brown by shooting him in the legs. There is never a good excuse for needing to kill a person simply because they are belligerent.

Wrong thread.

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