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Am an atheist and want to know who else in sajha are blessed with the absence of faith... 
 
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necessary evil..what kinda faith u takin about..absence of faith in imaginary friend doesnt make u an atheist..bein atheist is questioning the existence of god..
ps like was a mistake.

 
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necessary evil..what kinda faith u takin about..absence of faith in imaginary friend doesnt make u an atheist..bein atheist is questioning the existence of god..
ps like was a mistake.

 
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@pilot.. when i said imaginary friends.. i meant jesus or ram or allah.. There isn't much proof that they existed.. and even if they did.. there is no proof they were capable of such miracles as they performed.. i also don't believe in Creationism and a talking snake is the least of my worries.. 
I also don't question the existence of god because i know for fact that if there were ever higher power controlling our destiny.. then the world would be far better place to live..
Not for a second did i questioned about the validity of Sai Baba coz right from the get go i knew he was a fake.. so I don;t have faith on these kinda stuff..
I in other hand have faith on teachings of Buddha... but I will never consider Buddha to be a god and pray him.. I also think if u take Bible or any holy book as a matter of fact.. and read it.. you'll gain lots of knowledge.. and thats a good thing.. but believing every word of it to be true is being religious which i'm not.. 
So, I consider myself an athiest.. and I hope i'll get to share and learn ideas and opinions from ppls here in Sajha..

@NAS... interesting read.. and I am also fascinated by the nature of cult's and secret societies.. 

 
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"Shit like this.. people who have faith in religion.." 



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Even Hitler used to be fascinated with ancient Sanskrit language and the development of the Vimana in the ancient hindu texts. It is believed that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse- jet engines for their V-8 rocket using ancient technology they learnt from sanskrit text. Some even believe they had extra terrestrial help in building these rockets. Even the swastika sign used by the Nazis is the reverse of the swastika used in the hindu religion.

Lot of interesting things to be found in this research but the golden question is what to believe and what not to!

 
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so nine ppls so far in day 1... not bad.. glad to know Sajha is such a diverse community..

"Doubt everything, find your own light..."

 
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Oh yeah, there is no GOD.  Do you really think those cavemen were Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist ?  Religion is man made.  There is something out there but I would not describe it as God as we know.  What is the force or the energy that makes this world go around ? Dunno, and nobody knows.  And those so called religious leaders dun know their heads from their ass.  Keeps telling me to have faith. If any religious leader can explain faith like 2+2=4 then I am willing to believe.  Otherwise I am not going to follow the herd like a sheep.


MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ....... 


 
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In every ancient culture, there are drawings of beings coming to earth from the sky. There is a lot of research on this and some believe that it is the aliens that actually came down from the sky. This theory explains a lot of mysteries like the technology behind the pyramids.

In documentary called "ancient aliens" there are some who believe that the missing link between primates and humans was the introduction of alien genetics. The aliens are supposed to have genetically altered the primate into humans.

If what was believed to be god was actually aliens then we have another question. Who created this aliens :)

 
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Been there for a long period of my life, have joined many groups and organizations. After a while I've realized being true to my self, atheist movement in itself is an organized religion. It makes sense and it feels good to each individual about the whole experience of atheism, but the force to form a group to be recognized and have some legal rights and be known of our existence has gone back to what they were against - organized religion in the first place. In a nut shell, aethist movement has has become a religion. Calling themselves non-conformist, they have set themselves as conformist by following their ideology. It's the rule of the nature, anything that gets big, becomes a organized institution.
So it's all fine on individual level, but when atheist groups show up in the news demanding this and that, it's all BS-just like any other religion.

 
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so what is the purpose of ur post..what do u want to know the count for..?
 
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To believe in nothing is a belief. Having no faith is a faith in itself. And people will do anything to prove for their belief. The best comes out of soul searching. Peace 


 
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Don't believe in existence of different gods but I do believe in some super intelligent creature/power. Don't have a problem with anyone who spends quarter of their awaken life in hymns and praying.
I believe I am agnostic rather than atheist.

 
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Genetics and Evolution is new field of biology and science compared to thousand years old God Myth. New generation of genetic engeneering has started harvesting organs in animals or at least plasma and antibodies. The science itself had begun its way from late 16th century from discovery of gravity to its way to the technology in palm of hand. The earth itself is proven to be existed in universe for 4.5 billion years, 1/5 of universe age, and one billion years ago the highest intelligence creature living on earth was earthworm. Who would have thought earthworm would end up being a intelligent and complex human being after thousands of generation, from sea to land. The advanced technology will be magic (impossible) to us like televisions and phone or lunar travel would be to our great grandfather. 
50 years ago, a blind person used to be blind for entire life and now organs are harvested and exchanged. Scientists are able to clone, watch closely womb of mother from zygote to its way out of womb. We are at golden age of science and from 500 years from now, technology will be able to store organs like eye, lung from a single cell, instead of burrowing. The brain has been always mystery for science and less of it is only known now but as time passes more exploration will be done with it more mysteries will be unfolded.  
The universe itself has evolved from evolution, sun being third generation star. There might be extraterrestial living in this vast cosmos with billions of galaxies but being a intelligent creature so called "God" who governs the laws of life, enviroment and universe is neil. The math that need thousand pages is calculated by softwares in blink of eye. The artificial brain calculates results, all we have to do is analyse and derive conclusion. Any other animals would not worry about god or would not search answer to why? How should be question asked rather than why? From cave man to the credit card man, the journey is of 300,000s of generation and in next 300,000 nobody knows whats our future is. We dont need god to have things happen. The religious books are creation of intelligent imaginative philosophers who had one day imagined people would fly or any other dids that were considered only superpowers can do which are now being proven via science.
The star war fiction stories and movies will be reality unless we destroy ourselves. God will be tale of future generation like we talk about some race in Africa beating drum to make rain. Agnostic is phase of transition, from theist belief being feed from society and parents to atheist belief with self acknowledgement. Agnostic will turn atheist if some doubts, questions and mysteries are unfolded in near future. I doubt a new born kid would wonder about god, if his parents do not mention the name of it. 
1= ATHEIST , 7= ATHEIST
I scale myself to 6.7. 0.3% is faith which has given possibilities there might be one or beleif that was introduced from time birth till now which could not be completely eradicated.
P.S atheist is not a religion, its beleiving in nothing meaning : god or any other superpower. It is just a name given to people who do not believe in higher power.
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Insider Reveals 21st Century Illuminati Agenda



Brief_history_of_the_future-Attali.jpgIn
a book Henry Kissinger called "brilliant and provocative..difficult to
dismiss," Illuminati Jewish insider Jacques Attali confirms that the
Illuminati bankers are imposing a hideous "Brave New World" on mankind,
one divorced from goodness, truth or reality.  
(for henrymakow.com) 

A Brief History of The Future by Jacques Attali (2006) outlines the
elite's agenda for the 21st Century.

A French Jew (he recently told the European Jewish Congress the world's
Jewish population needs to rise to 200 million),  Attali is a high-level technocrat working to fulfill the New World Order.



Jacques
Attali has a varied CV.  For ten years he worked as an adviser to
former French President Francois Mitterrand. In 1980, he started
the European program Eurêka (a major European program on new
technologies that invented, among other things, the MP3).



In 1991, he co-founded the European Bank for Reconstruction and
Development.  He is also at the origin of the higher education
reform, known as LMD, designed to bring all European degrees into line.


He has also written a glowing account of Karl Marx, arguing that Marx
was a free-marketeer who favored capitalism as a stepping-stone to
his Communist ideal and predicted globalization as we know it today
(i.e. the New World Order).



In 'A Brief History of The Future' Attali predicts that this century
will unfold in three distinct phrases.



1.   Super-empire= an era of privatization where corporations rule the day.  He writes, "money will finally rid itself of everything that threatens it-
including nation states, which it will progressively dismantle."
The market will become the world's only recognized law. A system of
power whose 'structures remain elusive but whose goal is global.'



2.   Hyperconflict
= super-empire will implode and there will be a period of worldwide
chaos. Starting about 2030,  Attali foresees 'devastating wars,
pitting nations, religious groups, terrorist entities, and
free-market pirates against one another'.



3.   Hyperdemocracy
(2060)= Exhausted by wars and social upheavals the world public will
welcome with open arms 'the creation of a democratic world
government.' It will be a collectivist system, with everyone
working towards the 'common good.'



I have selected a few themes to give you a flavor of the book.


 


jacques_attali_reference.jpg 

(Jacques Attali, left)


Illuminati  Sexuality


In the future, people will no longer bond and create families. 'The couple will no longer be the principal base for life and sexuality.
[People] will prefer to choose, in full transparency, polygamous or
polyandrous loves.'



The driving force of this trend is technology that frees youth from
parental control. The first was the radio, which allowed the young:



'To dance outside the ballrooms and therefore be free of parental
supervision- liberating sexuality, opening them to all kinds of
music, from jazz to rock, and thus announcing youth's entry into
the world of consumption, of desire, and of rebellion.'



A media-dominated culture will create an egocentric populace who 'will
be loyal only to themselves.'


 


With lovers failing to mate for life, 'the world will be no more than a
juxtaposition of solitudes, and love a juxtaposition of masturbations.'



The elite goal is to remove love from sex so that they control
reproduction.  Attali writes that in the twentieth century, society
'sought to evacuate the reproductive role of sexuality by making
motherhood artificial, by using increasingly sophisticated methods-
pills, pre-mature labor, in vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers.'



In the future, society 'will even go so far as to dissociate
reproduction and sexuality.  Sexuality will be the kingdom
of pleasure, reproduction that of machines.'


Future generations 'will manufacture the human being like a
made-to-measure artifact, in an artificial uterus, which will allow
the brain to further develop with characteristics chosen in advance.
The human being will thus have become a commercial object.'



Surveillance



Attali
paints a picture of a surveillance society that would make the Stasi wince.



Even our washing machines will be conspiring against us,  while the 'packaging of food products, clothing vehicles, and household goods will become "communicative."'



We will live with untrustworthy robots.


'Domestic robots will become universal in daily life. They too will be
constantly connected to high-output grids in nomadic ubiquity. They
will function as domestic help, as aids for the handicapped or aged,
as workers and as members of security forces. In particular they will
become "Watchers."'



All our data will be collected by public and private security firms.  The
main form of surveillance will be portable entertainment devices. The
embryo of this today is the iPhone that sends data to the 
NSA.


'The unique nomadic object will be permanently traceable. All the data it
contains, including images of everyone's daily life, will be stored
and sold to specialist businesses and to public and private police.'



By 2050, these machines will have evolved into what Attali calls
'self-surveillance machines' that will allow everyone to monitor
his own compliance with the norms.


We will monitor our consumption of water, energy and raw materials. We
will even have the 'opportunity to measure, permanently or
periodically, the parameters of [our] own body.'



'Electronic bugs, worn subcutaneously, will ceaselessly register heartbeat, blood pressure, and cholesterol. Microprocessors connected to various
organs will watch their functioning as compared to the norms.'



Living insecure and chaotic lives, we will be dependent on insurance companies for security. These companies will make sure their clients 'conform
to norms to minimize the risks ... They will gradually come to dictate planetary norms (What to eat? What to know? How to drive? How to protect oneself? How to consume? How to produce?)'


These companies will be ruthless.


'They will penalize smokers, drinkers, the obese, the unemployable, the
inadequately protected, the aggressive, the careless, the clumsy, the
absentminded, the spendthrift. Ignorance, exposure to risks, wasting,
and vulnerability will be considered diseases.'



Prisons
'will be gradually replaced by long-distance surveillance of a
person under house arrest.'



Immigration



Immigration flows will expand and submerge nation states.  'Great
Britain will become a major host country, especially for citizens of
Central European countries. The latter will in their turn welcome
Ukrainian workers, themselves replaced by Russians, themselves
replaced by vast Chinese populations.'



Resistant countries will learn that a population inflow 'is the condition of
their survival.'
  In a sinister passage, Attali speaks of third-world hordes engulfing the West.


'Ever more numerous masses will hurl themselves at the gates of the West.
They already number hundreds of thousands every month; that figure
will increase to millions, then tens of millions.'



The United States will be the most popular destination and 'In twenty
years, the Hispanic and African-American populations will almost
constitute a majority in the United States.'



Nomadism will also become the norm in the West, 'more and more people will
leave one country for another: there will soon be more than ten
million of them switching countries every year.



Our main incentive will be money, but many will leave because they are
disgusted by their homeland.



'They [will] no longer want to depend on a country whose tax system,
legislation, and even culture they reject. And also to disappear
completely, to live another life. The world will thus be increasingly
filled with people who have become anonymous of their own free will;
it will be like a carnival where everyone - ultimate freedom! -
will have chosen a new identity for himself.'



Future
Of The US



The dollar will remain dominant until at least 2025, when foreign backers
will start abandoning it and 'the credit pyramid, based on the
value of American housing, will collapse.'



The US will then start disintegrating, with violence and chaos ensuing.
Attali states, 'it will not be tomorrow's Africa that will one
day resemble today's West, but the whole West that could tomorrow
evoke today's Africa.'



The US will then have to redesign its government to regain control.



'The United States could then become a Scandinavian-style social
democracy, or a dictatorship - and even perhaps one after the
other. It would not be the first time such a surprise occurred: the
first leader to apply the principles required to emerge from the
crisis of the [last depression] was Mussolini; the second was Hitler.
Roosevelt only came third.'



As chaos and violence engulfs the world, Christianity and Islam will
strengthen. The Bible belt region in the Southern US will mobilize
and could dominate US politics.



'The United States could then around 2040 fall prey to a theocratic
temptation, explicit or implicit, in the shape of theocratic isolationism in which democracy would be no more than a shadowy
presence.'



This Christian movement could be used in a war against a mobilized Islam,
which would presumably weaken and discredit both religions. 


An international Christian alliance 'could well form alliances here
and there with secular pirates and traffickers in arms, women and
drugs.'


This alliance will 'stand face to face against Islam  - and
the struggle will be relentless. They will defend Christians in
countries where they are a minority, as in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and
Syria.'


Before the end of century the US will be disintegrated and under the
authority of a collectivist world government.

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nas, at bohemian grove.....its not a fake human effigy but a real live child sacrifice like in the picture




 
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http://www.moneyteachers.org/Myth+of+Atheism.htm

Atheism is a modern creation that sprouted from
the two corrupting philosophies of Nihilism and Materialism. Friedrich
Nietzsche, the Satanic Psychopath that helped promote nihilism and
atheism, gave us the following words of wisdom:



* After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands...



* All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses. 



* Although the most acute judges of the witches
and even the witches themselves, were convinced of the guilt of
witchery, the guilt nevertheless was non-existent. It is thus with all
guilt.



* Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.



* Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.



* Faith: not wanting to know what is true.



* Fear is the mother of morality.



* Glance into the world just as though time were gone: and everything crooked will become straight to you.



* God is a thought who makes crooked all that is straight



* I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.



* In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.



* Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?





Nietsche and his philosophy were the creations
of the Bavarian Illuminati. The major Christian religions, with the help
of Satanic infiltrators, had become corrupted by both power and greed.
Yet, the exchange of one vice for another can hardly be called a virtue.
Free-Masonry was established as an alternative to the mainstream
religions, and appeared attractive to those disillusioned with a
tyrannical Papacy, militant Protestantism, or the Anglican Church as a
tool of the British Monarchy.



Free-Masonry is Luciferianism diluted. It
proposes that all truth can only be discovered by the physical senses
and the Scientific method. In reality, both corrupt Christianity and
cold Luciferianism deny the existence of the True God, and seek to make
gods of mere selfish mortals. In the inspired words of Joseph Smith:



"34  Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?



35 Because their hearts are set so much upon
the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do
not learn this one lesson—



36 That the rights of the priesthood are
inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of
heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of
righteousness.



37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is
true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride,
our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon
the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness,
behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is
grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the
authority of that man.



38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto
himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to
fight against God.



39 We have learned by sad experience that it is
the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a
little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to
exercise unrighteous dominion.



40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.



41 No power or influence can or ought to be
maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by
long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;



42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—" (Source)





In reality, there are no Atheists. Only
disillusioned and rebellious souls that have not learned to distinguish
between the works of God and the works of men. The key to keeping your
faith is a discerning heart that can tell the difference. I can  remain
cynical and disillusioned with corrupt men of religion and still worship
the True Religion of Jesus Christ.



Nietsche, by the way, went insane at the end of
his life. The result of a mind that could except some lesser truths, at
the expense of far greater ones. The true fruits of those that worship
the gods of science, their own senses, and a corrupt carnal mind. The
true fruits of worshipping Lucifer, who masquarades as the Prometheus.



The fire he claims to have gifted to man,
actually came from God, through the light of conscience. The fact that
men deny their conscience in their pursuit of pleasure, power and a
sensual existence, cannot be blamed on God. If God were to deny men
their Liberty and Free will, He would defeat His own Divine purposes and
the mortal education of His children. After all, we are here in this
temporary condition to learn how to prize the good above the evil.



Anything less would make God the very essence of
tyranny, and change Him into a foolish mortal or a fallen Lucifer, a
virtual impossibility. Our God is a God of Liberty.

 



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