Got this from Samudaya website.
Well said..
"
Historic DC Rally of May 15, 2005: some resentment
--Somnath Ghimire

I wanted to let you all know the outcome feelings of the people who attended
the Historic DC Rally.

More than 80 percent of the DC Rally Demonstrators have the following
queries: DC Rally became successful in quantity but not in quality.

1) What was the main agenda of the DC Rally?

2) Was it for the Pro-King, Pro-Democracy, Pro-Political Parties or for
Opportunists?

3) Why Speakers were not sorted out? Why were they not given a certain
boundary/topic to present in their speech?

4) If King Gyanendra suppressed the freedom of Speech in Nepal, why did
not we do that to all Mandaless/King's Supporters in their speech in the
Rally? Why was Prem Raja Mahat given a chance to present his speech instead
of singing a song? Is he a Pro-Democrat or Pro-King?

5) As it says in WWW.DCRALLY.ORG, DC Rally Committee, who are in the
committee? Why the names were/are not disclosed? Or the committee without
any names??..?

6) Was the DC Rally for launching ceremony of the book "Broken Pen"?
This was unknown to all of us. How did Murari Raj Sharma become the Chief
Guest in the middle of the Program?

7) Why & How was Murari Raj Sharma given a title of the Commander of
Democracy?

8) It was announced that, "it's raining now we have sorted our speakers
including Sherpa's": Why we need to say that, demoralizing lower caste
people, and we say that we need to be in diversity. Again, right after the
rain stopped and Sherpa was called back to podium, what is this nonsense? As
pointed out that T.Kumar of AI presented his speech under an umbrella, why
not Sherpa? There were people from Tamang, Rai and Gurung as well. Where is
the trend of respecting the all strata of life irrespective of all caste,
color, creed, gender, origin, religion and nationality?

9) Why Murari Raj Sharma got half an hour time to present his speech
and not others? Why did not we get the idea of "INCLUSIVE" instead of
"EXCLUSIVE"? People were frustrated.

10) Why people from NJ, MA, RI, Maine, Ohio, and South Carolina were not
given a minute to say their words of Democracy? As it was announced that
every representative from each States will be given a chance to speak, and
few got their chances including Girija Gautam, single man representing from
Tennessee. Isn't it a biased?

11) Why Nepalese Democratic Youth Council in USA became the platform for
the Opportunist and the Pro-King People? Why and how the NDYCUSA is
established? What is its aim? Why NDYCUSA is being used by Middle Ground
People? Can't NDYCUSA become in the Top Ground? We don't need the second
best; we need to be in the "First Best".

12) Why our people heard the words "Shree Panch Maharaja Dhiraj" in the
vote of thanks speech. Is this in favor of the King or against? Listen we are in the 21st Century."

arko kura DC girl, if you don't take it personally:

Its easier to say that we will endure all hardships so that in the lung run we can have a functioning democracy when you are not in Nepal. The situation is really messed up there, and many people just don't give a damn about democracy. When there was this massive UML rally 2 years ago to protest the King's move then, more people were fighting and pushing each other at the BICC where some manpower agency was scrutanizing applicants for jobs in Korea. You see, its the economy that matters, nothing else.

ISO,

We can remain at odds with regards to effectiveness of democracy vs. autocracy. That is fine. You say we need economic/political stabilty and we need to build proper civil society before embracing democracy, I say we need democracy to achieve exactly those elements of stability in the long run. Example: You claim Nepali society is not ready for healthy debates. I say, the Nepali society will NEVER learn to engage in healthy debates unless they are free to engage in dirty debates first. विवाद नै गर्न नदिने हो भने सही ढंगले विवाद गर्न कसरी र कहिले सिकाउने?

Our differences on these aside, I also would like to see you answer the question posed by Indisguise and Dc Girl about the competence of the present King. ASSUMING that we are enjoying a national democratic framework, and let's say we are DEMOCRATICALLY debating whose leadership is good for Nepal, what makes you have this unquestionable faith in King Gyanendra, individually AND institutionally, on:

1. Resolving the Maoist crisis?

2. Empowering the people?

3. Building proper civil society? And finally,

4. Restoring democracy?

1. Resolving the Maoist crisis?

2. Empowering the people?

3. Building proper civil society? And finally,

4. Restoring democracy?


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1. Resolving the maoist crisis through economic developmnet. it won't be an overnight thing, will take a long time, but it is possible.

because,

the maoist crisis is a class conflict, motivated by economic factors.

2. empowering the people through economic development. it won't happen overnight, will take a long time, AND it is possible.

because,

people are hungry, angry and poor. address their subsistence needs first, provide them food and education now.. in the long run, they will be educated and not come under the sway of any radical group. they will learn to question and once that happens, you won't see Girija and Makune reelected.

3. building proper civil scoiety, rule of law and less governance through economic development, and ONLY through economic developmnet, its possible.

because,

for economic development you need to have less state interfarance in people's lives. the state will have to come up with the necessary laws to ensure
i. private investors' interests
ii. independence of judiciary

when the people are FREE of state's interfarance in their daily lives, when they are doing well economically, when there is a strong middle class, all those things you mentioned will emerge.


4. restoring democracy through economic developmnet, and IT IS ONLY possible through economic development.

when you ahve a n educated, questioning mass which looks for its own interests, then you can have democracy..

if you think we can democratzie without feeding the hungry, educating the uneducated and pacifying the angry majority of the nation, i have nothing to say.. democracy, as you envision, in today's nepali context is "akash ko faal ankha tari maar"

This is what I have bene saying all along...

and to achieve all these aims, you need a strong governmnet, not popular or unpopular, democratic or authritarian, but a STRONG govt. that can provide stability which is needed for economic development. And the King can provide us with that kind of govt. at this time, hence my support for him.

feeding the hungry, educating the uneducated and pacifying the angry majority of the nation, i have nothing to say.. democracy, as you envision, in today's nepali context is "akash ko faal ankha tari maar"

feeding the hungry, educating the uneducated and pacifying the angry majority of the nation, i have nothing to say.. democracy, as you envision it, in today's nepali context is "akash ko faal ankha tari maar"

ISO,

Your answers are (excuse me, don't take it personally) very rhetorical. I would have liked to see you give SPECIFIC reasons as to why King Gyanendra (individually) and the monarchy (institutionally) is capable of bringing those economic developments in order to resolve Nepali crisis. ANYTHING from his past or present that supports his claim that he will, among other things, resolve the Maoist crisis and restore democracy would be great.

Pro-democracy people can also say "democracy will solve Nepal's problems by bringing economic developments". But what makes KingG different from anyone else that you should have such unquestionable faith in him?

Add to the list of questions above:

5. What makes you believe KingG's heir is going to make a good king as well?

Anilji,

I have been very specific, as far as I am concerned.

King's rule=> stability => economic development=> rule of law and civil society => democracy.

Now how exactly is democracy going to solve Nepal's problems? Be specific? How it is going to solve the maoist problem? how to achieve the rule of law? how democarcy is going to foster economic growth/development?

and in the present context:

how to restore democarcy in nepal? how to hold elections?

Isolated Freak,

Its eight O'Clock Beijing time. WAKE UP. Oh Yea, It's 2005.

SCREWWWWWWWWWWWW DC RALLY N RTHE ORGANICERS..I'M SURE THEY MADE A GOOD LOAD OF MONEY IF NT FOR FAME..FOOCKING BSSSSSSSSSSS...........I MET ANOTHER MAOIST THE OTHER DAY....I WONER HOW MANY KTM DUDES REALLLY UNDERSTANND WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT FOR THE HILLLLLLLY PEASANTS...ARSEHOLES ALLLLL ALLL OF YA'LLL

ISO,

You still havn't come up with SPECFICS as to why you have so much faith in:

"King's rule=> stability => economic development=> rule of law and civil society => democracy." [This is still rhetoric.]

Just to give you an example, allow me to offer you specifics on why I do not have an iota of faith in the INSTITUTION of monarchy in Nepal, and King Gyanendra as an INDIVIDUAL.

Insitutionally:

1. The root of most of Nepal's ills is feudalistic, repressive and hierarchical system that has given precedence to INEQUALITY in Nepali society. Monarchy in Nepal stands at the centre of this system.

2. We have seen autocratic rules of one form or the other for 220 years and they ALL have not only failed us miserably on almost EVERY front, but have promoted and perpetuated elements that guarantee failure.

3. 30 YEARS of Panchayat is no exception to #2.

4. Monarchy has NEVER had faith in the people -- they have placed their utmost faith on the Royal Nepal Army, rather than on the people at large. Therefore, they give higher priority to FORCE and COERSION rather than to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

5. They have served to do well ONLY to a particular class of people -- those close to the Royal circle. All this while almost COMPLETELY ignoring the vast majority who are the poor and the needy.

6. Their heavy reliance on hierarchical system that promotes and perpetuates prejudice based BOTH on caste and class has been the major source of INSTABILITY in Nepal. Coerced stability can only go so far and do so much that it actually brews reasons for instability in the long run.

7. Paticularly the Panchayati era had little respect for ethnic and linguistic diversity in Nepal. In the name of nationalism, forced homegenity based on ONE language and ONE religion exemplifies their utter disrespect for vast majority of the population. This, again, has been a major source of tension among the people, therefore inevitable instability in the long run.

8. Absolute monarchy in Nepal has exausted all the resources, time and energy in consoloditating it's ownpower, which has left very little to be utilized towards developemnt and empoerment of the people.

(I am sure there are more...)

Individually:

1. There is NOTHING in KingG's past or present that supports his claim that he believes in democracy and empowerment of the people.

2. Has instituted a cabinet that is full of vision-deprived indiduals who herald form the old school who also do not have any faith in the governed.

3. Has implemented (or trying to) social and political orders that only reflect the return to Panchayat.

4. Does not have a firm strategy at hand as to HOW he would like to resolve the Maoist crisis. In an interview with the TIME, he said something along the lines of, "Well, this coup was a not something that was planned...it just happened..." LOL If he did not know what he was doing then, how can we believbe he knows what he is doing now? Absolutely no sense of vision and strategy, with regards to initiation, implementation and exit.

5. Aba, sarkaar hajur ka uttaraadhikaari Paras ko ta kurai nagaram...

(Again, I am sure there are many more...)

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Anil Shahi,

I disagree with most of your points:

1. The root of most of Nepal's ills is feudalistic, repressive and hierarchical system that has given precedence to INEQUALITY in Nepali society. Monarchy in Nepal stands at the centre of this system.

You can not blame monarchy only for such ills. Don't you think such ills are existed where there is no monarchy? It is more related with social, cultural, religious and ethnic ill practice. It is the Nepalese monarchy who introduced Muluki Ain to eradicate such ills.

2. We have seen autocratic rules of one form or the other for 220 years and they ALL have not only failed us miserably on almost EVERY front, but have promoted and perpetuated elements that guarantee failure.

What front are you talking about? Have you read history of Nepal from 2007 to 2017 and 2047 to 2059 also together with Panchayat era? Why to blame monarchy only?

3. 30 YEARS of Panchayat is no exception to #2.

That is why people went for change with all aspirations and hope in 2046. By the way, there are many good side also during those 30 years which can not be overlooked.

4. Monarchy has NEVER had faith in the people -- they have placed their utmost faith on the Royal Nepal Army, rather than on the people at large. Therefore, they give higher priority to FORCE and COERSION rather than to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Monarchy always have faith in the people but never had faith in the leaders of political parties who are always running behind the CHAIR (not committed for the benefit of people). Army is just an instrument of power and which was under the elected PM after 2047. If the PM could not use the army in accordance with the constitution then that is the ineptness of that PM.

5. They have served to do well ONLY to a particular class of people -- those close to the Royal circle. All this while almost COMPLETELY ignoring the vast majority who are the poor and the needy.

They might not have served the inetrests of political parties but they are always committed towards the national interests.

6. Their heavy reliance on hierarchical system that promotes and perpetuates prejudice based BOTH on caste and class has been the major source of INSTABILITY in Nepal. Coerced stability can only go so far and do so much that it actually brews reasons for instability in the long run.

Do you think the instability in Nepal during democratic era and also start of Maoists problem is also due to monarchy?

7. Paticularly the Panchayati era had little respect for ethnic and linguistic diversity in Nepal. In the name of nationalism, forced homegenity based on ONE language and ONE religion exemplifies their utter disrespect for vast majority of the population. This, again, has been a major source of tension among the people, therefore inevitable instability in the long run.

I think one language and one religion is binding factor for national unity and national integrity. But other religions and languages were also equally respected. The degree and amount of religious and ethnic problems following the 2046 is much more than what it was in Panchayat era.

8. Absolute monarchy in Nepal has exausted all the resources, time and energy in consoloditating it's ownpower, which has left very little to be utilized towards developemnt and empoerment of the people.

Could you be more specific - how?

Anilji,

We are analyzing the situatation in Nepal differently, and I do not agree with a single one of your 8 points, sorry. I still stand by my view that monarchy is the only power that can clean up the present mess and create the "preconditions"/"conditions" necessary for democarcy later.

This is my view and I think I am entitled to my views in this forum full of democrats .

La ta, ahile lai yo bishaya ma yetti nai. No matter how much we write and question each other, we have made it obvious that we are not willing to give up on our respective beliefs.. so let's congratulate oursleves for being consistent. And consistency (not rigidity) is a leadership trait.

Finally Isolated Freak is conceding that he does not know how, but he has faith that King G and whoever comes after him will make Nepal a prosperous and peaceful nation.

That was an honest confession and conclusion.

The end.

Looks like Nepe is of the school of thoughts whereby he who laughs last, laughs the longest. Sounds like Nepe is celebrating his self acclaimed victory.

Nepe, you're a loser as long as the King is in power. And that's the bitter conclusion for you my friend. You can celebrate as many make believe victories as you want but the truth is out there in Nepal, not playing games in your mind in DC.

Your 'The End' is the end of your sanity.

"Finally Isolated Freak is conceding that he does not know how, but he has faith that King G and whoever comes after him will make Nepal a prosperous and peaceful nation.

That was an honest confession and conclusion.

The end. "

Nepe,

You are entitled to your opinion. I have neither intention nor time to deal with you.

Can y'all put a sock on this HE SAID..SHE SAID..ITS SAID..THEY SAID bullshit. your fracas here is not making people's lives better. If y'all are are sooo fugging interested in Nepal' s affaire then go back DO SOMETHING instead of just running your mouth here. ENOUGH OF THIS NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION

I NEED ANOTHER SHOT OF EXPRESSO PLEASE...WAKEUP DUDES..NOW'S THE TIME TO SAY WHO'LL ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOT WHATS TO BE DONE AND WHATS NOT

I met maoists too, Hush. They were all Americans. I had a discussion where I end up loosing my temper. They had maos and commis pamphlets and prpoganda tools. they dressed all black.

dc_girl,

I am very keen on reading that rebuttal to Zakaria. I tried to access the article, but it seems one has to be registered as a student at GMU to do so. If you have an access to that article, can you please forward the piece to me?

I tried to email you via Sajha, but looks like the feature has been down for a while now.
anil_shahi_et@hotmail.com

Thanks!

anil_shahi_et

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