I'm from Mangolian family and doing Graduate study at US. I had/have lots of Aryain/Brahmin friends back in Nepal/US. Nowdays, I'm in extremly bad mood, reason is simple. Not all but some of my genius brahmin friends says "BHOTE" to Chinese/Japanese/Thai/Vietnamese/etc people. I don't know, unknowingly, that hurts me a lot. I become quickly upset. Can anyone give me suggestion, what to do?

Men in uniform eh - causing 'wee summersaults'! What's the use of the uniform anyway!
Yes in the British Gurkhas. Smart looking re! Heheheheh - no that I cannot assure I'm afraid! A cross between Woody Allen and Bart Simpson - remember!
:))

So bottomline is "Together we stand, divided we fall". Its good to see people speak out against racism. Lets discourage any sort of racism. Let us all stand together for it. If there is any issue lets deal with them in case by case and not blame whole race or cast or clan. After all, we all are Nepali.

Peace out

Highfly,

Indeed. The concept of 'divide and rule' is a convenient social contruct, created by the so-called high caste (rulling) elite, so there is an outlet for them to still carry on perpetrating the most inhuman of oppressions and exploitation, resisting any suggestion of change in the existing status quo. Racism has no place in the present society which thrives on plurarism and its egalitarian ethos.

Have a good day/

Stop press: The last sentense should read - Racism has no place in the present 'day' society which thrives on plurarism and its egalitarian ethos.

Sandhurst Lahure - Rock on, mate! It may take a long time for us to live in a truly casteless society but, as I am sure you will agree, the struggle is worth every bit of it. I am at times amazed at how pervasive casteism has become in our culture even amongst many of the younger people.

Scarlett - On the way home this evening I saw a restaurant called Magnolia and chuckled to myself as it reminded me of the book and your nickname for some odd reason. Sorry, couldn't resist ...he he ... I too did wonder about your nick name but having a rather uncreative one myself didn't think it in my best interests to broach the subject:). On a more serious note, the intent behind posting on this thread was never to pontificate and I'd say it is unfortunate if any of this comes across to you as such.

To good life and peace.

:)

क्?यापटेन ह्?याडग
Your Gandhi Badh will not work here. All the fellow are not bad but there are very few people who creates such a problem in society and we must take care.
एउटा कुहिएको अ।लुलाइँ राम्रो अ।लूको टोकरीबाट ननिकाल्?नै पछँ भन्?ने मेरो मान्?याता हो
This is for everyone whether you are mangol or aryan. Cutting टुप्?पी is just a small gesture and he deserve it. If too much then must act otherwise you will lose your identity. अत्?याचार गनुँ पाप हो भने अत्?याचार सहनु झनै माहा पाप हो
You can imagine how our people are suffering at remote village. अमेरिकामा पढ्?न अ।उनेलाइँ त यस्?तो भन्?छन्? भने नेपालको गाउँमा बस्?नेको के स्?थीती होला
I guess pagli is suffering without any reson/cause

pagli, be proud of your background.. names are superficial... underneath we are all the same... don't let those dumb friends get to you. They are obviously so ignorant not to know the difference among so many different cultures.

"Your Gandhi Badh will not work here"

What Gandhibad are you talking about? Read again. The thrust of my argument is confronting casteism while not abandoning the moral principles behind the issue. As for your other racially charged comment , it is sheer hypocrisy and negates any merit there might have been to the rest of your argument.

It does not seem to matter how an educated a Nepali is, he always looks things from the caste point of view. The only difference being that the educated Nepalis hide their caste bias at the back end and show something different in the front end.

I don't know why they think of this Bhote Category or Dhoti Category?

I knew a person who thought all those who came from India, and particularly
in whose religious and so called sacred ceremony wearing of a Dhoti is a must,
were kept in the Dhoti category.

He was fond of telling everyone that those whose pundits wear a dhoti for a religious ceremony, they themselves wear a dhoti in their religious ceremony, have the loudest mouths calling Indians as Dhoti just to prove that they are NOT dhotis but in fact their
origin is still a dhoti. If a dhoti is their sacred garment, then they should accept themsevels of being of a dhoti.

It is an idiotic view, but I am not surprised to see this thread getting longer and longer. The CASTE bias is inherrent in most Nepalis, regardless of your outlook outwardly.

Please touch your heart and ask yourself if you totally free from caste bias.

Captain Haddock, you just had to ask and i would have revealed.Rather lofty ideals floating around here, there ought to be more of these like minded ppl .Personally, i have never cared for jaatbhat either.It's very clear that for a long time the ruling class has manipulated the mass, esp the simple folk. It thrives still, in this day and age.It needs to be eradicated but it will take alot of time and will. Cheers to that.
On a lighter tone though, its nice to be thought of, be it due to some restaurant's name! You have been reading huh? Pls do pontificate on... i need to look that word up.. uff:P

Sandhurst, hurrah for you. The "marathoner" up to hi antics again despite his grilling chedule of endless potterings ;)
What kinda uniform anyway? oops. This is a rather serious sounding thread and here i am, being me.Apologies to those offended hai.

Nirwan, i touched my heart ke,,,,, and blushed a lil.I may have unwittingly been a lil biased every now and then. The point tho is to rectify it aint it?

gone with the wind!

Capt Haddock,
Yes indeed, worth every bit of it. Ours may well be a far-fetched utopian dream but we'll get there some day. M. Luther King's vision of a one nation, a biasless utilitarian society perhaps has come a long way in America too since his epoch-making speech - I have a dream.. one day.. - but his dream is definitely getting somewhere. This discussion reminded me of my reading a captivating essay by the Cantabian Gita Mehta in her book - The Glimpses of India - on Dr Ambedkar. An 'untouchable' who went on to do two doctorates from Columbia and London and another degree later, and lived to see himself drafting India's constitution which abolished 'untouchability' and all forms of discrimination. He is reputed to have said that the constitution was a mere piece of paper until it was inscribed on the hearts of its citizens. That 'inscription on the hearts' might take a long while for it to happen in our case but it's something worth waiting for.

Scarlett dear, we'll talk about the marathoner and his ubiquitous uniform at some other opportune time if I may. Long may he live and his countless potterings!

Carpe diem

At ease yet soldier, it must be still very early in the morn for ya.. glad to have u bk.

Gone with the wind...

everybody have red blood guys..so just forget about jaat vaaat....we are educated and very wide minded generation ...so just dont stretch it too long....stop it rite now here.....god bless us all..jaye nepal...

O'Hara, that was not a typo, but a big time blunder. I had couple of windows open. Mostly, I just copy paste the shit and read it on MS word and minimize the windows. Just lost in translation sweetie. Got to do it that way... lest I invite trouble at work. :)

Do I know or do I know... Like I said, I have gone thru it 3-4 times. It's been many years. I seem to have some weird taste for a young lad even for back then, in fact, a very young lad. But these classics are for my solitude.

Catty messages? Brush it off with gaiety my dear, it's all good in the hood.;)

IndisGuise:)

You doing well then indisguise? Blunder explanined,,thanx.:)
Read it again then.. whats stopping ya?

Gone.,..

Nirwan,

People call dhoti to the people who wear dhoti in their everyday life. Not to the people who wear dhoti in their religious ceremony.
Dhotis that people put on in religious ceremonies are different from that dhoti people wear in India and Nepal just to get rid of the hot weather and the one that women put on.
And people call dhoti to the people who are Indians not just coz they are of Indian origin because of the hatred against Indian policies towards Nepal.
So calling dhoti is not for ethnicity, it is the matter of nationality.

I just checked with my friend and he stands by his comment.

He specifically says that dhotis are those who are of the Indian origin, like Chetri, bahun, Newar of the Indian origin side, Ranas, Shah, Thakuri, etc., regardless of what they wear now. It is a different matter now they do not wear a dhoti but their sacred garment remains a dhoti. Their pundits wear a dhoti. A dhoti is a dhoti how you wear it. And a dhoti mind is a dhoti mind and does not matter where you live. People of the dhoti groups also continue to believe that they go to heaven if they die in Kashi (Benaras). What is the meaning of Janani janmabhumishcha swargadapi?.etc. if breathing last in a foreign land is still considered a heavenly pleasure?

My own view is that we must stop this non-sense. I have yet to see a Nepali who is not caste biased, this seems to happen in educated lot too whether they live in Delhi, Dallas, New York, New Delhi, London, or anywhere else. I will be bias to mention that this bias is more prevalent among the ?dhoti? groups mentioned above. They take a small Nepal mentality whereever they go to.

I again say that educated people living anywhere from Nepal only appear to be unbiased when it comes to a caste bias but from inside they are the ones who carry the bias. Durga Pokhrel once said in an interview that she is from a high caste. As long as you carry that biased mentality, you can be sure that the radical changes are needed to improve our social system in Nepal.

We can stop discussing this topic, but it will remain in the minds of the people --- a caste bias.

It seems many of us are incapable of taking about caste and race without hurling racist/casteist slurs and innuendos. The last couple of comments on the "dhoti" are malicious and ooze with hypocrisy besides being a load of bullshit totally devoid of any intellectual merit.

Yes, casteism is pervasive amongst expats and resident Nepalese alike and this discussion only reinforces that notion. Why look for casteism elsewhere when we've seen it right here on Sajha on this and other threads. On the question of whether there are people out there who have excorcised their demons of casteism, I would hope so, but it's a pity many of them have chosen not to speak out on this issue. Anyone with basic thinking capacity knows casteism in its various forms is wrong no matter who engages in it. If some people chose to deny this fact or find excuses to justify prevailing casteist trends, their attitude is merely a reflection of the abject intellectual poverty of their minds and won't get them far in life.

What a bluff,

Nirwan, man, I think you have some problem understanding simple english if the remark above was for me.
"Calling dhoti is not for ethnicity, it is the matter of nationality."
Kashi is a holi city, just as much as Kathmandu, just as much as Jeruselam and Mecca, Medina. Are you saying that if every muslim wishes to go to Mecca or Medina should love Saudi Arabia more than his/her own country? What kind of remark is that?
You wanna make such remark again, you wanna put it into humor section, not in kurakani. And remember, It was a Shah, who united Nepal, to whom you are now in the verse of calling a dhoti.
And just having a discussion on casteism doesn't reinforces that notion. Yes, it does, in a sense that it is still there, but it is the truth. Something you can't escape. No one can come up with an ultimate solution of this problem, but the more we discuss on it, it is more likely that we can come up with a better idea of respecting each other.
And let's not challenge everyone to have their opinions shared on this for I have seen it has been raised too much that it is now exceeding the line of hyper-sensitivity.

What the heck !!. If i am a thakuri with Mongolian look( as most of the pure thakuri's does..having the Mongolian looking ancestors as mentioned by DHOR BAHADUR BISTA), I dont become chinese or japanese or Bhote .Do I?

And someone who has aryan features doesnt become Paki or Dhoti.We all are simply nepalese.

It 's just the mentality,' to criticize and bring the societal barriers ',' we Nepalese are brought up with ....that becomes abusive at times.

Why do Manisha koirala still said to have 'Chinky Look' and even played as 'Northeastern' in the movie 'Dilse' by the Indians themselves...when we from Nepal may think she infact is from the 'Dhoti' category you have given.

Why can't we pick the similarities we have in common instead of seeing the differences.