Looking for khagendra sangraula's columns in nepali- where do i find them?

Good posting Aashu. I have the same view. we can not expect much from older and corupt visionless leaders.

But at the same time, the power has to be transfered from palace to people soon to stop/protect people from further suffering and anarchy (e.g., recent "misfire" killed one in Nepalganj). and top corrupt leaders have the hold of party and cardes, and potential but young leaders tend to be boycotted in the party and in any movement। तेसैले, गीरीजाले केही गर्ला कि भनेर जनता र interantional community ले पनि आशा गरेका छन।

The cottage industry I was running in Sajha, as all know, was to sell republicanism for Nepal and, as for Ashu, he was a part of it only to the extent he was selling the antidote of republicanism from his Nanglo Pasal side by side with mine.

What kind of stuff Ashu used to sell is for anybody to check in Ashu's postings in various threads of the past. So, I am not going to dig any older postings.

However, I feel something good about Ashu these days. Ashu does not reject and curse the republicans like before and he is not advocating a "neutral" approach to deal with the King anymore. In fact, he very much appears to be to sympathetic to pro-republican andolan which is not moving as much as it could have for lack of a political leadership.

What more should I ask for ?

oh!

Nepe,

I am sure Sajha readers are intelligent enough to understand what was and is
going on.

I think the stuff CLOSEST to the truth version, then and now, is this:

Based on my own readings and analyses of situation in Kathmandu, I refused - again
and again -- to be a part of the knee-jerk 'wah-wah' brigade of some of you America-residing Democrats.

And the price I was made to pay for that refusal to toe the party line came in the form
of TEMPORARILY being labelled by you and a few others as a "rajabaadi" -- which was both FALSE and therefore AMUSING to those who know the truth.

I say temporarily because such a label might have fooled a few Sajha newcomers (who don't know me from Adam), but it never fooled many in Nepal who are quite familiar
with my extracurriculr work here and the contacts I have developed in the past few years.

After all, in politics, anyone can preach about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from far away. But it's what you do in the field, by getting your hands dirty even if that's in a quiet way, that's what counts.

I think you later found out that I really have ZERO connection with the palace, and
I'd like to keep that relationship completely agnostic.

That said, (as written above): "So, I was critical of the democratic movement, the way one is critical of one's best friend: You want him or her to do even better, and you provide unvarnished and no-nonsense advice to serve the friendship well. [True, only the friends with the strongest self-confidence appreciate this sort of frank give-and-take; the rest take grievous offence, and that's the way life is. :-( ]

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That said, my stance, then and now, is this: We Nepalis cannot do too many things at the same time. We should not even try, for we will fail on all counts. That is why, we have to pick and choose smaller goals that we can achieve, learn from our mistakes,
and THEN move on to achieving bigger goals.

A Jan Andolan is like mountain-climbing -- slow, steady and continuously upward progress is required. The present group of leaders is no good.

It does not take four years to come to this easy realisation that: "In any case, this, to me, shows a sorry state of political leadership for the democratic movement in Nepal."

IT ALWAYS was a in a sorry state.

We saw it then, and that was why some of us had had a good laugh over your hitching
the republican hopes onto the wagon of these netas. Nice partners!

oohi
ashu

.we shake hands with poisoned barbs concealed between our digits
who are we?

I have read Kunsang Kaka for such a long time that I can't help writing what I think about him.
He comments on everything and everyone he reads, hears or knows. And unfortunately no one takes his comment seriously because of the blatant hatred toward the subject in his articles. He uses all derogatory words he can think of. May be a frustration from his unsuccessful political career.And ofcourse, his demeaning rhetoric is one of a kind. He remind me of my foul mouthed neighbor who has possibly the worst form of superiority complex .
I don't think his writing has influence on anyone. Kunsang's articles will always be ignored while evaluating any of his preys. His writings are just entertaining for person like me because of my animal instinct to have fun in berating other. Same reason why I watch stand up comedies and why I have fun listening to that very neighbor. However, I admire his gut, wasted.

Ashu,

Just some quick notes,

1. I am sure your contribution to the andolan for democracy will be duly acknowledged when time comes.

2. I am unaware of any person, let myself alone, who was/is "hitching
the republican hopes onto the wagon of these [Girija et al] netas".

Some people whose aspiration would be satisfied just with the restoration of pre-2002 status quo do look up to these netas.

However, the aspirants of republic democracy have always moved ahead of these netas, making them left behind thereby forcing them to run as much as they could to catch the popular republican sentiments.

Fortunately or unfortunately, Girija et al have not been able to quite catch up with the leading popular republican sentiments as yet. This was also what I was trying to tell DC_Girl and Thaha_Payen above.


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DC_Girl and Thaha Payen-jyu,

Here are some of my views in points.

1. Although I believe there is every reason for Girija et al's leadership to go, my reasoning and emphasis at this point of time is for a PRAGMATIC reason than for anything else.

Simply put, my assessment is that, with Girija Prasad Koirala as the commander, the movement is never going to bring the mass of people necessary for the movement to succeed to join the movement. It did not. It has not. It never will.

2. Althought the decisive mass still apathetic to political parties' call for joining their agitation, it really is not apathetic to the cause of democracy. I think a decisive mass of people are already silently 'motivated' to fight the final fight against the King.

And this motivation, in every likelihood, is irreversible.

So, we don't have to worry that it might wear off if we wait for a leadership. In fact, it might wear off if it appears that there is nobody in Nepal except the likes of Girija Prasad Koirala to lead, guide and serve them.

3. It is possible that a spontaneous, possibly anarchic too, popular rebellion against the King might erupt as triggered by some sensational incident/development.

And this is exactly why we need a leadership that people can respect and trust.

Girija et al will not be able to control this kind of rebellion to lead it to a disciplined and smooth transition to democracy, not only for his image but also for his personal political views.

A leadership vaccum will make the rebellion vulnerable to manipulation by the Maoists and basically things will be at their mercy. Not a wise thing to let happen when the Maoists's recent commitment to democracy is fresh and yet to be tested.

What can prevent this kind of dangerous rebellion ?

Neither Girija, nor the advocacy to accept him. These, in fact, as I said, will increase the chance of it happening instead.

So from these practical consideration, rather than moral and other point of view, I consider rejecting Girija's commandership as a must and the first step for a sensible and workable jana-andolan for democracy.

Girija has to go. Things will follow. Because they really are ready.

Nepe

मैले देखेको त साच्चै भन्ने हो भने गीरीजा, माकुने, ओली, शुशील को. सबै पछी हत्नु पर्छ, र whole movement नै student leaders ले सम्हाल्नु पर्छ। आखिर् ०४६ को आन्दोनल पनि students ले नै सफल बनयेका हुन्नी त।

However, it's a difficult task to boycott these stupid leaders unless all of them are kept in custody by the king. See, while Deuba was under house arrest or in jail, movement was taking pace, but when he was released what happened...

It is good that at least Makune is under house arrests. All of these leaders should be put into the custody so that people get blood and after the storation of full fledged democracy (not the restoration of old type of democracy), these leaders should be swept away along with monarchy. Otherwise they would mess up our politics and country again.

This is what I think but मननै बीचलीत भैसको भन्य्या यो हाल देख्दा हाम्रो नेपालमा ।

Nepe wrote:

"1. I am sure your contribution to the andolan for democracy will be duly acknowledged when time comes."


What you NEVER understand is that I will be completely satisfied even if NO acknowledgment is ever made to my whatever "contribution to the andolan
for democracy."

I am neither so foolish nor so arrogant to believe that my whatever contribution
made a difference.

In fact, it did not.
Nothing at all.

But, looking back, I am glad to have tried a few things here and there, even if the results ended up becoming way less than satisfactory. Maybe I'll have better luck
next time. But who knows?

Still, you will never see me wearing funny hats and shouting slogans against this or that on the streets of wherever to make a visible display of my so-called political beliefs. If other people do that, I have no problem accepting that, knowing fully well that such
hat-&-slogans bit does NOT necessarily make them more of a democrat than others
who have different approaches.

The point is: Different democrats have different styles of pursuing reforms and changes. How hard was that for you to understand?

Didn't you once scold me here on Sajha for not joining the neta-led demonstrations on the street, as though you could legislate private behaviours in Nepal from overseas ?

Think back: Why else would you have scolded me here publicly if you had not pinned (let's say: some of) your (republican) hopes on those netas, and wanted mere
jagirays like me to follow those netas around?

Why didn't you write off these sets of netas then, in 2002, 2003 and in 2004 like I
had steadfastly done ? But you trusted them to the extent that you wanted even people like to me to make sacrifies to follow them around.

When I refused to do so (see my postings above) and refused to give in to the easy "wah, wah", you and others made fun of me.

Still, if you had said, "Look, Ashu, I really thought those netas would reform themselves, and push the movement forward. That they haven't has come as a big disappointment to me" . . . if you had said something like that, I would have respected you, because, hey, we all make errors of judgement all the time, and it's fine to admit that one's expectations have been dashed and that different appoaches are needed.

But when you NOW come back sounding certain, and say that: "I am unaware of any person, let myself alone, who was/is "hitching the republican hopes onto the wagon of these [Girija et al] netas" . . . well, Nepe, I am sorry, this sounds a bit too self-serving, opportunistic and trying to to be too clever for my taste.

Tetti ho mero kura

Please feel free to disagree.
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That said, fundamentally, the trouble with you guys, so far as I can see it,

1. you have already decided who's for you and who's against you . . .
2. you've already decided what constitutes pro-democracy behaviour and what doesn't . .
3. If you have already decided if people are not enthusiastically for republicanism (for whatever reason), then, that must mean that they silently support the king, and then you form a gang to try to discredit them by calling them "rajabadi" and what not.

It is this kind of narrow certainty about the validity of your beliefs and the corresponding refusal to subject them to counter-arguments and evidence from the field . . this is precisely what I find unpalatable about your political positions for they remind me of the similar foolish certainties displayed by the Maoists and the present royal government.

oohi
"democracy = multiple discussions . . . open, free and disagreeable"
ashu

Nepe र Aashu के Sajha का leaders थिए कि त past मा fighting each other just like गीरीजा र माकुने during so-called democracy era? के भन्दै छन यीनीहरु, म त केही बुझ्दीइन यार।

LOL. :)

Ashu ra Nepe ko Jagada - dulhadulhai ko jasto jagada.

Hi indisguise!

Hey Pade maiya :)

It is a pleasure to see you back again. Do drop in once in a while. I hope you got that big ass screen from TX :)

Later!

IndisGuise:)

Hi Indi,
i am/was always around but just didn't feel like writing. anyway, houston did sent me that huge plasma TV. Aur uske baad to mai naach te hi raha gai naach tehi. I also got hindi satellite connection so nowadays i lazy around and watch B4U, Aajtaak and various other kaam na lagne channels.like day before yesterday i watched a feature on the bara boy in aajtak; Ram bahadur jo buddha ke awatar mane jate the lapata ho gaye and other bakwas. again, many thanks to houston.

saw god must be crazy part I and II a couple of days back (make sure to watch it if u haven't). That coke bottle falling down from the sky and the ensuing fight between the bushmens for it made me think deeply about my own materialistic persuits, although i have very little materials to call as my own. like i just got 6 banana republic ko pants for myself- u see i've graduated from gap to a more expensive brand. but, i am not feeling good about it.

Where is Ruina?

talking about Bannana republic i remembered watching woody allen's movie BANANAS a couple of years back. watch it if u haven't already. it's worth watching.


ok, i am leaving. u Sangraula lovers and baiters fill up the rest.

God was always in threat from mankind which was the most intelligent species he created. He thought a while and, bingo, an idea popped in his mind. He dropped his dearest invention "EGO" in humans' mind. God then took a sigh, smoked weed, gave all his eighteen wives their goodnight kiss, turned off the light and fell asleep.

Sunny, That was funny.

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एक लम्बरकी महारानी,

कता बेपत्ता ?

>Ashu ra Nepe ko Jagada - dulhadulhai ko jasto jagada.

हो र ? यसो होईन ?

आशु र नेपेको झगडा, जो पछारियो उही तगडा !

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Ashu,

If you can not make distinction between a person and a cause, then this discussion is useless.

Yet, I would like to reiterate that I have throughout and consistently advocated that the khattam leadership the major political parties have is a part of the problem and that this is as bright as a daylight to every common Nepalis and that, therefore, putting this issue aside or for future itself to take care of will make it difficult for whatever political agitation we have to become a popular movement.

I have been 'a pain in the ass' for some pro-democracy activist friends in the US who believe in patronizing rather than ostracizing these leaders at this point might help the movement better.

As for my treatment to you, I might have been unkind to you for your failure to show solidarity to professional groups who came to street to oppose the King's take over. However, as I explained earlier, if these protests also supported the political parties, that's because distinctions between political parties and individual leaders and between a party and a cause can be and must be made.

Kura tetti ho.

Nepe

Nepe wrote:

"If you can not make distinction between a person and a cause, then this discussion is useless."


I can make that distinction, but that still would NOT mean anything.

In Nepal, whether you like it or not, Nepali Congress IS Girija,
Girija IS Nepali Congress.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling herself.

Where, for instance, is Gagan Thapa these days?
Girija -- much like, for instance, some of your comrades in that so-called democracy google group called me -- publicly called Gagan a "rajabadi" with ZERO evidence.

Soon, Gagan was pushed aside.
Now, as things stand, Gagan's career as a Koirala-family-led Nepali Congress activist appears to be finished.

See, how easy it is in Nepal (and in Nepali communities) to stick labels on one's potential rivals in an effort to discredit them and push them aside, for fear that they might eclipse/overshadow you?

The larger point is: Just as king's bhaardars are blindly loyal to the person of the king and NOT to the institution of monarchy, Girija's bhardaars too are blindly loyal to Girija the person and NOT to the institution that is Nepali Congress, which, in any case, has long been running like a khattam family business anyway.

It's just that, of the two, Girija's bhardaars can chant a little louder about "democracy" on the street.

That's all.

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Nepe wrote:

"As for my treatment to you, I might have been unkind to you for your failure to show solidarity to professional groups who came to street to oppose the King's take over."


Not only were you "unkind", you were also foolish to do that.
And the reason is this.

For many days, I watched those demonstrations right on the streets of Kathmandu.
I can tell you FIRSTHAND that there were NO "professional groups who came to
street to oppose the King's take over".

There were individual professionals, yes, in those rallies; but no professional groups
as such. That is why, those protest programs fizzled out soon enough, and, today, there remain no "professional groups" to provide continual sustenance to the
khattam netas' protest programs.

Those who took part in those protest programs at the time in individual capacities have since seen that they were being used by the netas and the media, and have since stayed away WHILE remaining, from a distance, sympathetic to the andolan's
broader ideals, which, alas, appears to recede further day by day.

Your foolishness was and is to think that ONLY street protests represented a clear measurement that one was/is actually opposed to the king's taking over, and then
use that as a yardstick to publicly measure the DQ (democracy quotient) of jagirays
like me.

There were/are MANY forms of through which one could protest.

In my case, for what it was PUBLICLY worth, drawing examples from around the world,
I used my Nepali Times pieces to think aloud about democracy, autocracy, Nepal's worsening position and so on. Sure, I wish I could have done more. But then, I do not live in a world where there are 50 hours in a day! One does what one can, and learns
to live with it with a clear conscience.

oohi
ashu

Pade_Queen_no.1

Still waiting for your address to mail HUGE flat panel. Let me know what would you like.
DLP, LCD or Plasma. 1080i or 1080p, or just 720 wroks?

Pade maiya,

Always full of interesting twakka tukkas.:) Do I miss your masaledaar ktm ko guppe haru or what? Anyways, good old days! Naya khabar chaina? :p

So you haven't received your plasma after all? Lier! Ajai nachte hi rahe gai re, ha ha. :)

B4u, Aajtak and all sounds so alien to me. Not that American idol, reality shows and Lost are any familiar. I find these television shows like my lost lover. If I catch the fervor for it again, it is bound to cause me much harm. The only time I open my idiot's box is when I want to visit my "mistress," that being, of course the "sporting events" - however rare that is. They shall always have that charm on me. :)

'God must be crazy' was ekdam jhakaas. Saw it aeon back when I was in school. I do remember that coke episode. It is a must watch, I concur.

Materialistic pursuits? Tell me about it! The way I see it, if a person does not have materialistic pursuit, and rather claims to be in spiritual hunt or complete "samaaj sewak" s/he is only living off aruko materialistic pursuits ko faal. Bhanchan ni - aru ko bhar ma bachna parcha parakh nahunele or nagarne le. ;) Kasaima kaam kasaima badi. Sabai ma huncha, ki kaso? I plan to go all guns blazing for the rest of my life. But not all quests lead us to final frontier, alas! :)

Gap is so-so. Banana is much better. No silly, I was talking about "Republic." Not this political "Republic" stuff which seems to be in much hype lately - justifiably so - but somehow, banana republic sounds better. Sunna ma ke :p. Talking about which, latterly, I have really graduated to more affluent brands as well. Somehow those pretty nice, affordable pieces do not look any good. I bet we both are caught by the same bug. And I really do not feel much good about it, akin to you. Hope it is a minor flu rather than a full fledged cancer ;)

Ruina, eh'? She is hibernating. I bet she misses me as much, but we all have our own shares of "gaar nai parne kaam" ni hoina? :p I shall put a word about your question when we'll lock horns. Am sure she can just drop in to say hello when she is free. :)

Have not seen Woody Allen's "Bananas" - perhaps sometime soon! But hey, if you have not seen "Deconstructing Harry," - spare an hour or two. It's worth it.

I like Sangraula, but I know just because a courtesan, metaphorically - NOT literally speaking - talks sweetest, does not mean I take every word she croons. But who would not enjoy listening? Catch the gist?

Tara Feri -
Kuch to log kahengee, Logo ka kaam hein kehena...........

Like me, like you - and them.

Bato birsiyera jhardai garnu "maisaap" ;)

IndisGuise:)

If calling Nepe a foolish helps Ashu to turn his history into one of democracy-fighter's, more power to him. As I said, I am all for helping Ashu to bring him to pro-democracy kitta. So no more argument about that.

I have not read and heard anything from Ashu that categorically condemns Feb. 1. All I remember is how he was ridiculing those who stood up to condemn Feb. 1. If I have missed Ashu's statements against Feb. 1, my apology.

As for Nepali Congress, there is no doubt that it is under the hostage of GP Koirala. However, it is inaccurate to say NC is GP and GP is NC. NC is like a body that has a conservative head (GP) and progressive legs (majority of party members). Head controls the body, that's for sure. So we must make this distinction when we condemn or support NC. Kura simple chha.