our traditional jatra and feeling of newars are very much important. if there is no newars then there is no meaning of kathmandu and otherway  the existence and value of nepal is under newars. what is the beauty of nepal? Mountain or culture? i don't think its the mountain. the beauty of nepal is culture that every tourist finds. i am so surprised that the government is trying to demoralize newars of kathmandu and stop fundiing for the national festivals. i was reading a statement by the finance minister

quote  'Let us not make the cultural and religious matters issues of contention," he said, adding that since Nepal is a secular country the government is committed to protecting the religiosity of all the communities.' unquote...

nepal was not a secular country it  is made secular and one can not forget the past of nepal. Nepal was hindu country and forceably turned into the secular country. therefor, there would be no forgiveness if somebody hurts the feelings of community or the complete religious group. therefore i think people should respect the tradition and venerate others culture. In this momentum all the newars of kathmandu/lalitpur/bhaktapur should unite and fight againsgt any thing comes against newar culture and religion. Individual without culture and religion is not a human being.

 

 

 

 

Bisal, i think you talk first and think later. If you eat meat, why you complaining about it. If you don't believe in killing , you shouldn't eat meat. Oh.. i am sorry i forget.. we shouldn't kill in the name of god but we should kill in the name of bisal to make him roast beef sandwich.  And by the way, i don't think Hinduism is shrinking but the guys like you will shrink and probably shrinking now. For me, honestly you seem like a dumb guy. Probably, you will be in jungle when you wake up one day. It seems like you don't have any culture and religion. You eat meat so, what the hell you taking Mr Non-veg. Shut up and don't make any commennts and don't try to be smart asssssssss. THINK FIRST AND TALK LATER THAT'S WHAT THE SMART PEOPLE DOES.

all the people are same all the people of nepal from all communities and it is very wrong to say that nepal is all about newars of kathmandu actually i feel thats really funny and if u r not kidding than that is racism and racist are neve good people and the other thing i myself agree that newari culture is very nice and important in nepal as a matter of fact all the culture are equally important and hey bhannus people actually come to nepal to see the mountains and natural beauty and definately not newari culture it just happens that u r in the valley so they come to know about urs culture and do u think of the whole nepal only ur important hahaha thats funny tooo nepal is infact not only ktm dude it extends form mechi to mahakali and u guys dont need to too smart u people in ktm are like a frog in a well who has not seen the big rivers come out of the well and broaden ur thinking and see nepal is much more beautiful than urs ktm .......Think on it and lastly NEPAL Doesnt mean NEWAR

psycho - "Think on it and lastly NEPAL Doesnt mean NEWAR""

read this u psycho....from wikipedia

The word “Nepal” is believed by scholars to be derived from the word “Nepa:” which refers to the Newar Kingdom, the present day Kathmandu Valley. With Sanskritization, the Newar word Nepa became Nepal[3]. The Newars of present day Nepal, refer to all the inhabitants of Kathmandu valley and its peripheries (called "Nepa:") before the advent of Shah dynasty. The Nepal Sambat calendar, named after this Newar kingdom and devised 1100 years ago, is still one of the major calendars used in Nepal and testifies to its antiquity.

u shud bow down to us as your masters and teachers...what culture did u barmus bring in except corruption and strikes

Government should NOT favor any group over other. Nobody has any issue with your jatra, you do it your sefl with your own money. Nobody has any problem with that. So Newars, please think from your head. If you get funding then other casts should get money from the goverment to celebrate their own festival. There is no end to it.

Zenith it was history and thats ok if nepal got its name from newar word but this doesnt give u the right to say that nepal is only ktm and nepali means only newari nepal is a multicultural country so respect that ... Thanks IP

i agree with zenith that NEPA: is nepal not Newar and. the original nepal is district inside the valley. no one can imagine the word nepal easily after the invasion in the kathmandu valley. Late Kind prithvi narayan shah took the because after raiding NEPA: and if you really go with the logic NOn newars can not pronounce the word NEPA: properly so the king must have pronounced as nepal.

 

well mr. bisal123 since you are non veg so i don't there is any logic on you point  on sacrifice of animal.

oi rewire: nepal depends on tourism and when the govt. cuts funding for a cultural event that promote tourism, what will us nepalis eat?....the government should pay reparations for all newari ppl because of what they did to ktm valley during unification

well,here is the thing,govt should not be biased to any race.. there are so many jatras held in ktm and not many people attend it  other than some particular groups. i also agree that these jatras do entertain some tourist  but if you all are talking about tourism then look closer, they are more interested in breath taking scenic views, overwhelming hiking trails, rafting and more. so, i think govt should be responsible to fund one or two major jatras to some extent to keep the historic culture alive and spend more on promoting other lucrative areas..

I don't know if someone brought up what I'm about to say but lets look further into the future people. I think that these are the preliminary steps that need to be taken for a well orchestrated plan to divide Nepal. After all many nations have fallen into this trap including our neighbor India, who suffered the practical application of the clever British contrived plan of divide and conquer.
I remember studying religious tolerance in my 5th grade Social Studies class, I also remembering how Nepal was called the garden of 36 subcasts. But has this garden turned into a gridiron where we (Nepali not bahun, rai, limbu, newar, magar, tharu, madeshi, etc) are being manipulated into clashing against each other for the racial superiority? I would like to think the answer is yes. But is the price worth it? If you ask me then I would have to say no because the superiority of one would mean that the person who thinks s/he is superior is de re disrespecting the quality of being Nepali by doing so.
Whenever it comes to such racial debates people aslo tend to bring up questionable racial acts towards others. So in that respect don't you think that germans should have a racial tension with the jews because of the holocaust? Its hard to heal the cracks and wounds once they have been created. It is even harder to heal when they have been open and sore for thousands of years. Look at India and Pakistan. What has the war brought to them. Still now they can't find common grounds and seal the wounds that was created 50 years ago.

Anybody who knows communists should know that "religion is opium" as declared by their prophet karl marx. so if you are communists , you have to cheer up that the first step has been taken by bold maoists in their effort to stamp this 'bramhavakya' by trying to eradicate this jatra system a reminiscent of feudalistic influence of blind faith, discrepancy and what not.

 

Anybody who knows Baburam as Bahunram who declared war on Newari Jatra culture should understand that Baburam himself is a Newarko Jwainraja and Baburam's wife Hisila was elected by Kathmanduites as they so endearingly hailed her as a Newar Chelibeti, worthy to be a winner. We can believe that baburam must have consulted his Newarni wife before deciding to cut the Jatra budget . What's your take on this ? This so called budget cut on jatras should be taken as a kiind gesure from bhattarai 'jamairaja' who wants to wake up the kinsmen of his wife from the ages old anachronistic slumber of jatras and feasting. Hi guys , wake up , there is no more the king who would come to see your thotro ' bhoto' ! Baburam must be trying to give this type of message to his 'sasurali muluk'. Try to take this message instead of burning tyres and making your own city in ruins. So No fretting !

As for the ordinary people , having the continuation of these jatras or no-jatras in kathmandu, that will have least impact at all.

IF THE GOVT WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS THEN IT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD NOT JUST NEWARS.

IT WOULD INCLUDE SHIV RATRI, JANAI PURNII, DASAIN, TIHAR, TEEJ, ETC ETC NOT JUST INDRAJATRA. OOtherwise OUR NEWLY FOMRED GOVT. MIGHT ADD NEWARI PROBLEM ON TOP OF THE MADHESI ONE.

 

zenith2,
Let us make this clear- you do NOT celebrate jastras just for the sake of tourism. When we use the word "tourism", the heart and soul of your tourist industry lies in mountaineering aka Mt. Everest. By your logic and stuburrness, Sherpas should get more funding than Newars since they live in the epicenter of Nepali tourism. Well they're not asking for funds, what makes you think you're better. Tourist in Kathmandu, if you're NOT blind, are $5 a day Isrelis, modern day hippies of the Europe/US. So the khaatey wondering around Freak Street looking for cheap hashish is NOT the money making aspect of your tourism. So please grown up and do not write things that does NOT make sense.

Apart from Mt. Everest, no one can deny that the cultural identity of Nepal has been represented by the Newari culture. If you refer to readings on Nepal, one can see that the newari culture and festivities gives a distinct characteristic to Nepal that in turn attracts an inquisitive traveler. I'm surprised that so many people here are spewing out negative comments on jatras and others ... if you have are from Kathmandu valley - be it Newar or any other ethnicity - you should very well know the cultural value of all these jatras. Why do we have this misgiving that cultural festivities are bad. This is what makes us unique from other countries of the world. If not for jatras, sanskar, diversity in language, food - why would we be any different from India or any other country for that matter. The jatras and other festivals like dashain/tihar and so on gives us Nepalis a way to entertain ourselves away from our daily chores. Imagine what would people do if there was no professional or college sports in the west .. they have no culture as such to come together and celebrate. Jatras provides us just that .. an activity where people can leave their stress behind, entertain themselves for some momentary pleasure. With no organized sports, what would people of Nepal do to entertain themselves?

So please grown up and do not write things that does NOT make sense = rewire bhanne muji ko bhanai.

yo pakkai bhaun hunu parcha jasko afno na ta culture nai cha na ta pahichan. aru adiwasi haruko jasto yo mujiharu ke jatra wa festival cha?? nepal ko history pad, mathyasne ani thaha paulas, jatra, festivals kati deeply rooted cha Nepal ma.

muji bahun netaharu le nikai nihu khojdai chan. afno fox jasto cunning behave le jahile yo kukurharu leader hune re!! aba saleharuko time auna antyo jasto cha.

I am not a Newar But "jita newa culture yawww".

United we stand 

my brothers and sisters please do not fight. Little knowledge is dangerous.
As we go on we will see the light. It's just matter of acquiring more knowledge
and doing some soul searching.
The Revelation will come very soon.

regards,
jpg(archelogy student)

ha ha lol...yehan whole sajha ma ek jana matra bidwan re cha..lalbujhakkad! jo aruko knowldge lai " little" bhanthancha..chaite bidwan ko buddhi dekhda harey daiba buddhi...
newari culture kati dhani chan, uniharuko savyata kati baliyo ra thulo thiyo bhanna lai dherai k jati "soul searching " garnu parne dherai jarui chaina..... nepal ka mallakali dharorar, durbar, math mandir adi ajai jiundai chan, indra jatra, rato/seto machindra nat ko jatra, sithi nakha, panchare, silachare, yomari punhi, handi gaunko jatra, bisket jatra, panauti ko rath jatra, banepa ko nava durga/chandeswori ko jatra, nala ko nala bhagwati jatra, dolkha bhimsen ko jatra...list goes on..adi sabai newari culture sanga nai sambhandit cha..yo kura ma newar harule garv garnu nai parcha sathai samagra nepali le pani garva garna sakcha ra yi dharohar hun....

newari ek jivit culture ho yo hamile dekheko chaun, bhogeko chaun yeska ramra pachya dherai chan yo kura lai bichar garnu parcha...yo kura bichar garna kehi kothe bidwan lai chaiyeko jasto "BIG " knowledge chainna..samanya manis le bichar garna sakcha!

btw, I am not art/ culture/architecture/archeology/anthropolgy/Sociology major!

i truely agree with shantipriya.. newari culture is truely rich culture and it need to keep on continue.

WTF !!!!!!!JPEG , you sound like 'Makune' who makes everybody to fight, just to become the president.

This 'racist' thread was dead on 09-22-2008 and you brought it up again. And you want Nepalese all around the world fight again on Sajha.

I think you are a 5^th grade archeology student.

 

We can give Newari People back their land-ktm but the thing is that we will attack your tiny nation again guess what we will win..that's right Nepal will win. All you guys nothing but traitors to Nepal.