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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-26-13 11:22
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" Ghus khanya ra Ghus dinya dubai des ka satru hun."
- Late Prithvi Narayan Shah
There is no doubt about the role CIAA plays in the development of our country. Despite a number of high profile arrests in the past, the bribery situation hasn't improved and has gotten worse in the recent years. Funds allocated for development projects are being funnelled directly to the pockets of a select few.
Appointment of Lok Man Singh Karki as the commissioner in chief of CIAA was marred with various controversy, with SC issuing stay order against the appointment. The case against him was about his hand in suppressing the second people's movement of 2005 and amassing wealth through illegal means. However, the man is now the head of the CIAA and has aggressively started going after a number of accused.
Sure, we have seen this in the past. A number of officers and management personnel get sacked (recently a number of Nepal police chiefs got arrested etc) but nobody in top government level is called upon. The issue persists until another head comes and wings the fan a little.
Is it time to be hopeful? Arresting these individuals is certainly not the solution; we have to have a change in our culture . But this is a start. Is Mr. Karki going to hold his end of the bargain and continue the progress? Are you hopeful or is it just another show before the election?
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-26-13 11:23
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relevant:
http://www.mysansar.com/2013/08/6754/
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jharke
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Posted on 08-26-13 2:35
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I think it is just another show, not just for the election but for Mr. Karki's own agenda. He has already retired and has nothing to lose, so I think he will continue as long as this government is in power or he remains as chief of CIAA. It is commendable that he has taken actions against the corrupt government officials, but this chain of corruption leads to people who are in power and politics. Of 41 crore that is charged to these officials, don't you think some or any of the money ended with the minister or secretary or other political leaders then ? And also they are issuing statement addressing laws from 2033 B.S (Samajik Sudhar Ain) , which is completly outside their jurisdiction ? I think all this is to garner popular sentiments and to answer the critics who vocally didn't support his appointment.
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-26-13 9:03
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I hear you and I am sure there's some truth to that. However, seeing the protests from Engineering association of Nepal and even the three major parties against the actions taken by CIAA, I feel like something right is being done. My idea behind starting this thread was to find out whether this is being done in an honest manner and if yes, then garner the support for the CIAA's actions. I believe they have a new FB face, you can voice your opinion there and support them if you want. Whatever it is, if somebody is doing good for the country, we have to support it. It's about high time when we only sit back and criticize on things beyond our reach. Let's support and encourage things.
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Posted on 08-26-13 10:03
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I agree with you and I am fully supportive of their actions. But, why does every appointee or elected officials in Nepal has to run a populist agenda to show off their work. They don't have office outside Kathmandu, they can hold only 17 people in their custody while they are arresting 30-40 a day and getting into lower level corruption practices. I think they should deal with some serious issues like NEA and others, while trying to expand their resources and reach so that their work becomes more effective. While their actions are very commendable, is it really going to sustain forever ? Can CIAA be at every government office, every day to curve our corruption ! I think they should focus more on structural reform, and enforce more check and balance within bureaucrarcy, so that petty corruptions are punished within that organization while CIAA can focus more on issue that deals with national interest, such as this transformer scandal. Telecom officials who bought substandard A/C should be sacked by telecom, but if somebody is misusing 41 crore from state coffer, CIAA should bring them to justice.
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Posted on 08-27-13 9:45
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They way Lok Man was appointed as CIAA chief, that wa svery unusual. Lok Man may be a good person but he was involved in supression of peoples movement. I also beleive that there are many ppl who can successfully take the responsibility of the head of CIAA. but he was selected as if he was the only one capable of.
But any way that is history now.
Once selected, there was public pressure to Lok Man to justify his selection as CIAA chief and also on Political parties for their selection of him.
We also know that corruption is rampant in Nepali society. We need to check it. CIAA need to start from some place, we can debate wheather his starting point is good enough or not but not the start isteself. He has started much needed action.
BUT I am not giving LOk Man Karki a pesonal thumbs up. In my opinion we shoud stop patronizing, he did what he supposed to do and CIAA was created to do thta.
As nepali citizen we should demand more from him, because He is being paid by the tax payers money.
Second, starts seems to be good But I woiuld like to see those ppl behind the bar for long time as they are responsble for people suffering. So CIAA needs to make stong case before the court otherwise "hatti aayo hatti aayoo fussa" huncha.
If CIAA fails to make strong case in the court it will be like " Bhrastachar bata cholkhyaune kaam" like special court did to many politicians in past.
I agree that some of our laws that deals with social activities needs not be revisited , But so are many other for example, If a person want to kill a guy/gal he can do it very carfully for 500,000 Rs. He can ask a mini van driver to hit the person so that the guy is killd, later produce it as accident and pay compensation of 50,0000. many ppl in nepal are killed this way in past. And this is the reason why many drivers opt kill the human they hit instaed of taking him to hospital. because if he takes him to hospital driver will be reponsible for entire treatmenrt. on the otherhand if the person is killed, Kiriya kahrcha is only 17,000 and the compensation is 5,000,00 (paid by the insurance).
Similary if you pnch someone and broke his teeth, the compensation is only 500 Rs. so all these law need to be revisited.
Regarding the CIAA raiding the birthday party.Such party costs minimum 5,00,000 (1000 per person but if you are serving imported whisky and other high quality food the cost is even higher, so money he is spending must be the money he earned. Did he decleared that money as profit from business, did he paid tax for that?. usually in nepal they dont declear any profit or very little profit from business, bribe tax officer and later use that money in different extravagant thing like that birthday party. so, Inorede to spend 5,00,000 in birthday party the guy must have maid big fat ammount of money from his business ( I know he was doing business in nepal since King Tribhubhan). How much tax he paid and how much income he ecleared?
If you declear your income is only One million in that year or every year and paid tax for that and you spend almost half of it in one birthday aprty, sound fishy. isnt it?
In conclusion although selection of Lok Man was very controversial he has started something which CIAA should have started long ago.
But start only is not enough successfull end is also equally important, so I am in wait and see situation, just waiting him produce stong cases before the court. If he successfully does that then only his selection is justified.
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Posted on 08-27-13 11:39
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Dharke said:
"BUT I am not giving LOk Man Karki a pesonal thumbs up. In my opinion we shoud stop patronizing, he did what he supposed to do and CIAA was created to do thta.
As nepali citizen we should demand more from him, because He is being paid by the tax payers money."
I Don't agree with you on this. Keeping aside his controversial past and some significant doubt that he will honestly investigate cases that are related to top political leaders (specific cases like maoist cantonment kanda, or invidivual property made by illegal means), we have to give him some thumbs up. About the salary he gets as CIAA chief, i believe that is not an important amount for him being a 'Dhani Bau ko choro' besides the pension he would have received as a retired chief secretary. So, anyone who is trying to do some good deserves some applause.
But, i don't like CIAA's and government's interest in implementing a 2033 BS- useless law. Any law that restricts the people's right should be abolished. There are hundreds of other important things to do with limited government machinery than to count people in a gathering or party. Tax office can carefully examine the account of hotels and party palaces at the end of year and pursue any customer who has paid a big bill.
After hearing Lok Man's interview at BBC, I think he is a god fearing person. He can do a lot if he wants, he is one of few powerful persons in country now. Only 2/3 majority of the parliament can sack him after an impeachment motion. So, he is free and independent as are justices in Supreme Court.
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Posted on 08-27-13 4:57
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I agree too, My statement is bit hard but it was deliberate.
In past many CIAA chief came, did one or two eye catching activities and after that business as usual. This time I expect no similar
repetition. Nepalese should put pressure on him, so that he will be compelled to do what he is supposed to do.
I agree that salary may not be that attractive to him because of his background but he should do something to justify his rebirth.
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Posted on 08-28-13 8:14
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सानालाई समातेर हाकिम ( नियुक्ति कर्ता ) खुसि पार्ने अनि उनीहरुकै बचाब पनि हुने काम गरेको पनि देखिने : दुवै हातमा लड्डु |
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-28-13 8:51
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@jharke, you have a point. This sure looks like they are going with populist agenda. But if that's what is getting it done, then why not. Also the populist approach, the thrills and headlines are absolutely complimentary to the actions taken, in that, these kind of publicity sends a message to the rest. Yes, we are awaiting even higher profile arrests.
@Dharke, giving thumbs up or not is your personal choice. I do think we should commend the action and support it as much as we can as the chief is already facing significant opposition.
@Nepalilaure, I agree in that the approach might have to be re-evaluated; whatever they do should be within the confinements of current law. Didn't know it takes 2/3 majority to impeach him. Good for him.
The guy is in heavy pressure. He is said to not carry a mobile or pick his work phone because he doesn't want to be pressured. Whether it is true or not, and whether he is a great personality or not; a good deed should be supported. Please voice your support in every possible way you can. Facebook like is just one option.
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Posted on 08-28-13 10:49
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अख्तियार को हाल को क्रियाकलापको सन्दर्भमा धेरै टिका टिप्पणी भए . आ-आफ्नी दृष्टिमा सबै ठिक होलान . नेपाल सरकारको पूर्ब अधिकारी भएको र अख्तियार सम्बन्धि केही अनुभव भएकोले लेख्ने जमर्को गर्दै छु .
अख्तियार गत ७-८ साल देखि पदाधिकारी बिहिन अवस्थामा थियो ( लोक मान भन्दा पहिला) र प्राय: निस्क्रिय थियो , सक्रिय भए पनि श्री ४ हरुको अझ भनुँ माओबादीहरुको दवावमा केही गर्न नसक्ने अवस्थामा थियो. अनेक बिबाद बीच लोक मान को नियुक्ति संग संगै ठोक मान शैली मा अख्तियारको काम तीब्र गतिमा देखिन्छ .
हो भ्रष्टाचारी -व्यभिचारी कसैलाई नि बाँकी राख्नु हुन्न, हदै सम्मको कार्यबाही गर्नु पर्छ . तर के अख्तियार को काम कार्यबाहीको नियत साफ छ त ??
"सौ चुहे खा के बिल्ली हज पे निकली" लोक मान तिनै बिल्ली हो . जिन्दगी मा लोक सेवा नदिकन मुख्य सचिब सम्म हुने हैसियत भाको मान्छे हो लोकमान . उनको सरकारी सेवामा मिलान नै अख्तियार को दुरुपयोग थियो . यहाँहरु लाई जनाकारी होला , सरकारी सेवामा प्रवेश ( अधिकृत स्तर ) राज पत्रान्कित ( लोक पत्रान्कित भन्नु पर्ने हो कि ??) तृतीय श्रेणीमा हुने हुन्छ. तृतीय श्रेणी बाट द्वितीय श्रेणी मा बढुवा हुन , खुल्ला प्रतिस्पर्धा मा भए घटी मा ५ बर्ष ( महिला लाइ भए ४ वर्षा) तृतीय श्रेणी मा जागिर खाएको हुनु पर्ने हुन्छ र लिखित र अन्तवार्ता पास गरे पछि मात्र उप सचिब मा बढुवा हुन्छ . तर यस्तो खुल्ला सीट बहुत दुर्लभ हुन्छ र भै हाले कडा प्रतिस्पर्धा हुन्छ र एक से एक योग्य मान्छे ले नाम निकाल्छन , हैन भने फाइल बढुवा कुर्ने हो . दुर्गम न जाने र हाकिम को चाकडी न गर्ने को फाइल त उही दराज भित्र राज गर्ने हो . धेरैको त तृतीय श्रेणी मै अबकास हुन्छ .
लोक मान बाउ राज सभा स्थायी समिति को अध्यक्ष भाको बेला राज प्रसाद सेवा अर्थात नारायण हिटी सेवा (जसको लागि कुनै योग्यता र टेस्ट दिनु पर्दैन ) मा सिधै उप सचिब मा जागिर खाएका हुन् . त्यै उप- सचिब पद लाई कानून सानूंन मिचेर निजामति सेवा मा मिलान गरी एकै चोटी सह सचिब भएका हुन् . उनले सचिब , मुख्य सचिब हुँदा कति भ्रष्ट्राचार गरे वा जना आन्दोलन दबाउन कति शक्ति को दुरुपयोग गरे , ती त तपसिल का कुरा;
अख्तियारमा कस्ता कस्ता अनुसन्धान अधिकृतहरु हुन्छन सो पनि बुझ्न जरुरी छ . अख्तियार को लागि छुट्टै सेवा वा समूह हुँदैन . विभिन्न सरकारी निकायहरु बाट नै कर्मचारीहरु त्यता जान्छन अझ भनु लान्छन . हाम्रै बिभागको सबै भन्दा प्रष्ट रुपमा भ्रष्ट इन्जिनियर सोर्स फोर्स लगाई उता गए र यता जो जो संग ठाकठुक परेको थियो सब लाई झुट्ठा मुद्दा मा फसाई जागिरबाट निलम्बन गरि दिए . हुन त ती सबै ले अदालत बाट सफाई पाए नै . अहिले पनि अख्तियार मा हाम्रो बिभाग को महाशय जस्तै आफ्नै विभागमा हसुर्नु हसुरेर डकार्न गएका ३-४ जना हाकिम हरु चिन्छु . एक जना ता अस्ति मात्र आफ्नो खर्चले ६ महिना अम्रिका भ्रमण गरेर फर्केका हुन् . तृतीय श्रेणी को अधिकृत को तलब हाल ( अस्ति को बजेट मा बढाए पछि ) जम्मा जम्मी १८-१९ हजार हुन्छ. अम्रिका मा सपरिवार पर्यटकीय भ्रमण गर्न पुर्ख्यौली जग्गाजमिन त पक्कै बेचेनन होला . हवाई टिकेट समेत सबै खर्च प्रायोजित त भएनन् होला /
अख्तियार संग को मेरो जम्काभेट बारे छुट्टै धागो लेख्ने छु पढ्नु होला .
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@rahulvai, तपाईंले भनेको कुर मलाई ठीक लाग्यो। अहिलेको अख्तियारको काम काग हेर्दा पनि मलाई पनि धेरै आश लगेको छैन। मेरो एक जना ईन्जिनियर साथी जो अहिले दूर संचारमा काम गर्छ, उस्ले भने अनुसार ४१ करोड को मुद्द फितलो हुन्छ रे। माथि देखी तल सबै त्यहाँ को कर्मचारीले बराबर पैसा त पक्कै खाएनन होला, तर मुद्दा चाँही सबैलाई एकै ठाउँमा राखेर लगाउन कसरी मिल्छ होला र। अख्तियारको काम राम्रो छ, तर मुद्दा हाल्दा र काम गर्दा त्यसको नतिजाको पनि खयाल गरेर काम गर्नु पर्छ, न कि सस्तो प्रचार प्रसारका लागि। लोकमनको बारेमा तपाईंले भन्नु भएको कुरा चाँही साह्रै ठीक हो। आफु पनि पहिला जलस्रोत सचिब रहेका लोकमानलाई प्राधिकरणको बारेमा पक्कै पनि धेरैनै थाहा होला।
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यहाँ हरुले नहेर्नु भएको भए , अन्नपुर्ण पोस्टमा एउटा लेख रैछ, लोकमानको आलोचनात्मक बिस्लेशन गरेको:
""लोकमानले निजामती सेवामा रहँदा धेरै समय राजस्व क्षेत्रका महत्त्वपूर्ण पदमा बिताए। सबैलाई थाहा छ, नेपालमा टेबुलमुनिबाट हातलागी गर्न पाइने सबैभन्दा सजिलो ठाउँ राजस्व संकलनसँग सम्बन्धित अड्डाहरू हुन्। हरेक नेपाली कर्मचारीको पहिलो छनोटको अड्डा पनि कर भन्सारहरू नै हुने गर्छन्। भन्सार विभाग र राजस्व अनुसन्धान विभागका महानिर्देशकका रूपमा काम गरिसकेका अख्यितार प्रमुख कार्कीलाई ती ठाउँ र तिनका मातहतका अड्डाहरूमा हुने भ्रष्टाचारका बारेमा कण्ठै हुनुपर्छ। तर कार्की देखिने र परिणाम ल्याउन सक्ने गरी अर्थ-राजस्वका कर्मचारीहरूविरुद्ध कारबाही सुरु गर्न तयार छैनन् जस्तो बुझिन्छ। उनले गौचर विमानस्थल भन्सार कार्यालयका अधिकृतद्वय मिनर्भा अधिकारी र शान्तराज रेग्मीलाई एक लाख चानचुन रकमका साथ गिरफ्तार गरेर अर्थ राजस्वको क्षेत्रमा हुने गरेका ठूलाठूला भ्रष्टाचारका मामिलाबाट मानिसहरूको ध्यान हटाउन खोजेको जस्तो देखिन्छ।""
""आफूसँग जोडिएका यस प्रकारका निजी समस्या र नियुक्तिका क्रममा उठेको विवादका कारण हुनसक्छ, अदुअआका प्रमुख लोकमान सुरुका केही दिनसम्म अन्योलग्रस्त रहे र उनी अस्वाभाविक चञ्चलताका साथ दुनियाँसामु प्रस्तुत भए। उनका गतिविधि पञ्चायतको प्रारम्भकालमा तथाकथित अराष्ट्रिय तत्त्व (अत) लाई ठीक पार्न दरबारले खटाएका दौडाहा टोलीका गतिविधिसँग मिल्ने खालका, असन्तुलित र हास्यास्पद देखिए। जसरी पञ्चायतकालीन अञ्चलाधीश कार्यालयको क्षेत्राधिकारभित्र नपर्ने मामिला पाउन गाह्रो हुन्थ्यो, त्यसैगरी कार्कीले पनि अख्तियार प्रमुखका रूपमा सार्वजनिक क्षेत्रमा पर्ने हरेक मामिलामा हस्तक्षेप गर्ने प्रयत्न गरे। उनका क्रियाकलापले पुष्टि गर्थे, लोकमान अख्तियारको माध्यमबाट यस समस्याग्रस्त मुलुकको प्रमुख कार्यकारी अधिकृत बन्ने दौडमा छन्। आखिर खिलराज रेग्मी चुनाव गराउनका लागि नियुक्त प्रमुख कार्यकारी न हुन्।""
http://annapost.com/opinion/news4980
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hurray
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Posted on 09-01-13 3:09
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Implementing Laws written in 2033 during the regime of monarchy regarding social gatherings and celebrations is completely senseless. Why can you not have more than 51 people as “jantis” in a wedding? Why should we prohibit someone from throwing a wedding party to 500 people at a party palace if he has the means to do so? In what sense does the money spent on a big party equate to money gained from corruption? Then why should we let people in Nepal have huge houses, huge cars, go to restaurants often? Construction of all the big houses in Nepal should also be stopped then, no? Someone who can build 3000 sq.ft house certainly has black money, if the logic is to be followed. And I know that Lok Man has 3 sons. I wonder if he will not have more than 51 people for this sons “janti” on their wedding. I doubt.
This guy was a supporter of monarchy and he wants to implement laws written during that time. I wonder if he is not trying to get the king back. Laws that prohibit people from gathering up are very often written in countries that have monarchs and dictators. Big crowd, more chances of uprising and more trouble.
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Yuvaraj
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Posted on 09-01-13 2:08
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Unless they start arresting politicians things are not going to change. This may be a way of trying to get more 'protection' money to the politicians!!
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