Guys I am not into politics and I'm hardly  following the Democrats or the republican Agenda on Immigration reforms and regulations. So Do you know who has the better approach that can benifit the imigrants and Immigration policies?? Just Curious....Thanks in Advance...

Thanks Bishal123,

Sure Ronald Reagan did that in 1980s. But still I see that many replubican congressmen or senators still don't speak in a very favourable manner about immigrants. Again this democratic congress has been, If I read it right, the most inactive in terms of bills passed in modern history.They are more about beating the bush. Deep inside, I would say McCain would be much better for us immigrants because time and again he has worked on his own and not abiding by the party policy

obama did not say he will give 95% of tax break. he said, he will give tax break for 95% of population because 5% of US population make more then 500,000 per year.

while listening to them it seems that the dems would favor the immigrants, but if you look at their actions, it actually republicans who are good to immigrants. Yes, it was reagan who brought the amnesty in 86 and it was clinton who cut most of the benefits to the gc holders. And well you know about bush.

infact one of the last acts of clinton as pres. was to cut the benefits to immgrants.

Ideologically immigrant are attracted to Democrats, but the reality is it Republican who really does something of significant to immigrant. It is Bush who started the Work Visa and even the possibility of amnesty, Bill's presidency didn't hear much about immigrant.

Ofcourse Nepali Congress, with no doubt.

During Nepali Congress rein in government it has authorized to give NEPALI CITIZEN CERTIFICATE to all illegal indians living in the terai. One of  illegal  indian was current foreign minister Upendra yadav.

Got it  bro.

poudelha thanks for correcting me I meant giving 95% of people tax break. Do you really believe him? I don't, not only me the radio's political analyst was not agree either.

If you look at the history, only Republicans have brought some kinda good package for immigrants.
As somebody said above, most all immigrants support Democrats. I do too, only because, I don't like word 'conservative'. Republican have always been very conservative on issues like abortion, gay right, stem cell research.......etc. They only go by what Bible says and too much God's involvement in daily life. But don't know why they support death penalty. I don't think Bible says anywhere to kill a killer.

I think it's been a bad luck for Republican, When Bush senior was in the office, Gulf war took place and economy about to turn around, he lost the election and Bill Clinton enjoyed the surplus budget.

Again, right after Bush junior took office Sep. 11 happened and so on Iraq war, oil price, mortgage crisis, too many things happened and the economy turned around from surplus budget to deficit.

Analysts say in next 2 years economy probably turn around again. And I am pretty sure Obama will enjoy the budget surplus and American prosperity again. And of course we do too.

Bisal123. Iraq war just did not happened, it was created by Republicans. So, I don't think that reason is strong enough against Dems. If you know the history, KKK still aligned to Rep not to Dem. Whatever Rep did was beyond their control as they had to adjust immigrants. USA is not like UK or other western countries, kicks the immigrants out. This is  a country of immigrants!

My perception on Obama might not be right but Mccaine is not a good leader for the US. I can not say about Dems but Obama sounds more symphatic to immigrants as he himself is a son on Kenyan father! Corrections welcome.

gogurkha, I know it didn't just happen, I meant was it happened whatever reason. And don't forget the war was authorized by 2/3 majority of the congress including Hillary Clinton, Obama, Jhon kerry, very few democrats opposed it.

Anyway, unlike our country no matter who comes to the power they always care about this country. Wish our leaders learn from American politicians leaders. Killer of 13000 people becomes PM in Nepal, and George Bush almost got disqualified to run for the president due to DWI conviction.

If you judge the prosperity of immigrants only by how easy it would to get a green card that I think it is a really shallow way to evaluate this issue.

Then I am very curious to be enlightened as what is not the shallow way to evaluate this issue.

I think an immigrant comes to any foreign land keeping few things in mind like better job, better pay but overall he wants stability. The stability can only be achieved through somekind of permanent setting, somekind of assurance that he won't be kicked out overnight because of lack of some documents. At present the only document that provides that is a green card if u r in US, a PR if u r in Aus, Can or so on.

Are we discussing Democratic and Republican parties policies regarding Legal or Illegal immigrants here??? I believe  the discussion regarding these two diverse groups should not be mixed together as these parties do to create confusion....we need to analyze how Democrats and Republican policies affect legal and illegal immigrants separately.

I wonder we could channelize the discussion to legal immigration. In that case I still believe democrats would do better to increase the H1b quotas.

 

i guess Mr. Clinton introduced DV Lottery system right ?

Thanks Bisal123,

I understand, and you are right it's not like in Nepal. BTW, Obama did not voted in support of war in Senate. And couple of Mitras have written right, it is like never ending debate, perhaps! It is good to have postive debate though; I trust Dems more than Reps.

Anyway, I was curious if you guys know who lobbied for job requirement within 3 months of graduation. I afraid if it was by Indian consultancies! Comments welcome.

.Here are my two cents:

If you guys really want to talk about "history", then you should remember that the people who are today the members of hate groups like the KKK are the same people who believe that the slaves should not have been given freedom, that the United States should not have been unified and made into one country, that the people living in the Northern States of the US are "too liberal" and "care too much about people of other color and creed". I ask you this: what party do you think these people from KKK vote for? Well, in case you don't know, these people and others who don't like immigrants, vote for the Republican Party because they identify the Republican party as the one which works for their issues.

Now, Ronald Reagen did give Amnesty to almost 6 million illegal immigrants in the 1980s. That is true. But, you have to remember that most of those illegal immigrants were from Mexico and South America. Most of them were Catholic Christians, and Reagen and his people calculated that the majority of them would vote Republican if given an opportunity. So, the decision to give amnesty was more of a political decision than a humanitarian one.

Today, most illegal immigrants are still Mexicans and South Americans. But, the dynamics of party identification among these illegal immigrants has changed. Up until the 1980s, both the parties were equally good for the working-class people of America. But, since the late 1980s, people in America-- whether legal citizens or illegal immigrants--identify the Democratic Party as the party that cares and works more for the poor and disenfranchised than the Republican Party. Therefore, statisticians have calculated that the majority of the illegal immigrants are likely to vote for Democrats if they are given an opportunity. This is the primary reason why the Republican politicians strongly oppose any new laws and regulations that try to open a path for citizenship for the illegal immigrants. The reason: the Republicans don't want to give them an opportunity to vote. Because they know how the illegal immigrants are going to vote.

Anyway, before you guys think of the Democrats and the Republicans in terms of immigration policies, you should look at all their policies. Do they oppose abortion or support it? Do they oppose gun restriction laws or support it? Do they think Global Warming is a myth or do they think it's a scientific fact? Do they think Evolution is true or Creationism? There are many such facets through which you should gauge a party. If you decide which party you like by just looking at immigration policies, then be ready to be disappointed by your choice later.

It's not the politicians, it's the time and Americas need of foreign and cheap workforce. US's booming economy demanded more workers and Reagan got the bill benefiting millions of immigrants. Look how close Bush was in getting bill passed to legalize illegal immigrants during economic bubble burst. I would rather favor Republicans towards immigrations [Republicans tend to be straight forward and more american then dems]. McCain is the man for immigrants. Democrats tend to be more liberal, hence getting favor from most of the legal immirants, which I consider to be educated and well established. One more things, Bush adminitration got the bill approved for int'l student about OPT. Clinton didn't do that, he went for short term benefit and solution

However, considering various factors I hate to say how McCain can get into White House against Obama. Obama is a smooth talker and a hardcore debater with powerful campign and a very smart dude. As much as I like to see McCain taking over White House, this dream is fading away day after day, week after week. Hope Obama brings good changes for all and not just for lower middle class or what not.

 

tha_dude, I hear you, but I don't think it will be easy for either McCain or Obama to win the election. Being a smooth talker is one of the requirements, not the requirement. Do you remember 2004 election? Kerry was much better in debates than Bush, but Bush ended up winning the election. Although I always lean towards Democratic party, I am in favor of McCain this time. I think his policies are straightforward. One truth is that no matter how much publicity Obama gets, his polls numbers are not surging. With the media exposures he is getting, he should be at least 20 points ahead, but that is not the case. All McCain needs to do is energize the core. And I think he did it by bringing Palin on VP slot.

Swear to god when more than 10 democrats stood side by side in the winter of 2004, I didn't even see a single candidate with enough credentials to even challenge Mr Bush. On top of that at the end of the convention [republican], delegates and even supporters watching live were confident about the candidate and election. That was not the mood in Dem party convention. Things are reversed this time around. About media, media is all money in US, perfect example of capitalism. I have one question, do u even consider political debates or anything related to politics if numbers reflect 20 point lead or so? I know I would not...

Again, as much I appreciate McCain and his values, being realistic hurts and I am not that confident about this election. Things look better for Dems right now. Leading into Election time, maestro Obama will get those crucial punch at the end. We already saw glimse of it in his acceptance speech, didn't we? He got lot more of that coming week after week. Bottom line, Bush is going to loose 08 election for Maverick McCain. I am just wishing my guess is just a guess but what do i know????

Hello Everyone.my name is Bishal Thapa, same first name as that of bishal123, even though I believe we don't agree on most of the stuff :).One of my friends directed me to this thread..as I mentioned "I doubt any of my Nepalese fam will root for McCan't". It seems like he brought me to the right place to discuss, learn something from you guys, who obviously hold different views than mine, and may be I get to express few viewsofmyown.

First of all, is this thread on what Republican Party/Democratic Party does/did for Immigrants or is it what John McCan't/Obama will do for immigrants? Because reading the last 9 comments..I get a feeling we are choosing partisanship rather than the candidate. If so, I have a contrary belief that even John McCain and his campaign are not committing to being republicans. They are running the character campaign not a partisan campaign. On yesterday's segment on Hardball (Chris Matthew's on MSNBC), McCain senior adviser, Nancy Pfotenhauer, didn't want to admit that she voted for Bush in 2004, in front of Obama adviser, Lawrence H.Summers (also the former Harvard University PRESIDENT) when asked one simple question- Are you a republican? Is your campaign running on a republican ticket? So, there is a big disconnect already between the voters and the campaign that McCain is running in this election. So, I am not sure if lining up what republicans did or didn't do (thank god) for US immigrants, has any indication of what McCain will do for US. Secondly and sadly enough, the SURGE in polls that somebody mentioned above for McCan't is all for wrong reasons..unless you believe Sarah Palin is who you believe the best choice for leading this country and to lead the world..if, god forbid, John McCain is to die before the first term is over ("Actuarially" possible). But that discussion won't fit into this thread. So, let me know what you guys think?

I have to admit..that my past 8 years in America has been spent with minorities and only minorities..so I really am hoping that I will hear/learn from you guys here who have had a lot of experience with the majority (Whites) of the United States. Looking forward to it :)