wtf.. m*t*e*-f*c*e*s dhoti indians!! Get a life indian people! shi*

Even till today the origin of Nepal is still ambiguous between the 'ne' muni and 'nepa' newari bhasha schools of thoughts so saying that Nepal existed back when is naive at best.

Plus "Before Nepal's emergence as a nation in the latter half of the 18th century, the designation 'Nepal' was largely applied only to the Kathmandu Valley."

As far as india existing or not we should go back to Mahabharat to look at the 'bharatbarsha' where it all took place

But yes, when I argue that bodhisatwa was attained in India, I am only trying to explain how the state of the mind of  "buddha" was born in india. Obviously it is a known fact that Siddhartha Gautam who later became known as the Buddha was born in Lumbini I never denied that

Guys come on now, end this hypocrisy and grow the fwak up.

Did any Indian forced any Nepali to play/listen to Hindi songs in the Nepali wedding party/Janti, Nepali cultural shows, watch Hindi movies/soap operas, eat Indian food, dress like them???????

If you are all so proud and can't stand this, then I got one news for you all, stop this double standard.

From this very moment on, throw away all the Indians CDs/DVDs from your room, delete all songs, links to Indian websites from your computer, NEVER speak in hindi even if an Indian comes to you and speak in hindi (just answer in English, he will have to speak english), stop going to Indian restaurants to eat Indian shit or shop in Indian grocery store. CAN YOU DO THAT?????

if not then stop complaining. The Indians are not gonna change for you, they have this pseudo-feudal (master) mentality ever since the British left their country.

In the end my point goes to ...........Mr Novaguy83..bravo brother.

Grgdai, either you are very cunning or totally confused person

You talked about the existence of NEPAL I gave you Kautilya mentioning a country called Nepal in his time period 350-283 BCE.

You answered me saying the origin of the word Nepal is controversial, It does not matter where the word come from Ne muni or from Nepal bhasa but the country existed there is a proof for it. You could not produce a counter argument for the existence of Nepal.

Let me give you one example

The word "China" is derived from Cin (چین), a Persian name for China popularized in Europe by Marco Polo. In early usage, "china" as a term for porcelain was
spelled differently than the name of the country, the two words being derived
from separate Persian words.

References

·  "China", Online Etymology Dictionary

·  ^ Wood, Francis, Did Marco Polo go to China (1995), p. 61.

Both these words are derived from the Sanskrit word Cīna

Reference

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Boston

and New York, Houghton-Mifflin, 2000.

The traditional theory, proposed in the 17th century by Martin Martini, is that the word is derived from "Qin" (秦)(778 BC – 207 BC), the westernmost of the Chinese kingdoms during the Zhou dynasty, or from the succeeding Qin dynasty (221 – 206 BC
Reference

Martino, Martin, Novus Atlas Sinensis, Vienna 1655, Preface, p. 2.

I showed only these three, there are so many other controversies about the origin of the word “China.”

You showed only two possibilities of origin of the word Nepal;

I showed you, with proof, three possibility of the origin of the word China,
now don’t tell me that china didn’t exist at the time of Kautilya or before
that. Kautilya has mentioned China in his book “Arthasastra”

My friend, be honest to your self and come up with some acceptable logic or be brave like “tamanhkagola”. The way you are countering just proves that you still have to learn a lot.

I questioned about the existence of India at the time of enlightenment of Buddha. You brought up Mahabharata, when I questioned the existence of India I was thinking that you may brought up this thing but I was not sure, but my guess was right.

Let me answer you about this.
You were unable to come up with existence of country India and its ruler at that time that because there was no India at the time of enlightenment of Buddha.

Now for Mahabharata,

The original name of Mahabharata was called “Jaya” which contained 8800 verses, and there was no Geeta in it. It later on  became “Bharata” with 24000 added  verses. Finally it became “Mahabharat” with 1, 00,000 verses.

So. They change the name two times and added contents to it and you want people to believe Mahabharata?

You want people to trust a book whose name was changed twice and verses was increased by almost 12 fold? And at the same time you want to tell me that there are two schools of thoughts about the origin of the word “Nepal”. Have you ever tried to find how many schools of thoughts are there about the origins of Mahabharata?

It looks like you want to believe with your eye closed when good things are written about India and whenever there is some good thing about Nepal you raise questions why so? Is that what Buddhism taught you?

As far as india existing or not we should go back to Mahabharat to look at the
'bharatbarsha' where it all took place

Does this mean we can say United State of America existed at 1000 AD? Because land was there, people were living there and they also had many states there?

And do you know what bharatbarsha means?

Barhsa means continent  

Reference

India Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition: 1989

Even in modern time people call this part of earth as Indian sub continent, a sub continent is not a country you should at least know that.

Even if you believe in Mahabharata, Mahabharata no where mentions the existence of a country called Bharat, Instead Mahabharata mentions the war between two countries and its allies. There are names of so many other countries that existed at that time but no Bharat existed even at the time when Mahabharata was written?

Yes in mythology there existed the King Bahrat  and  country called bharatbarsham, based on that mythology after Independence they called their country Bharat, Even then the there is no proof that mythological king Bharat ruled Bodhgaya. Buddha and his
teachings were for real not mythology.

"But yes, when I argue that bodhisatwa was attained in India, I am only trying to explain how the state of the mind of”buddha" was born in india"

My friend if you are trying to follow your own logic then please say

that bodhisatwa was attained in bodhgaya, I am only trying to explain how the state of the mind of  "buddha" was born in bodhgaya.

I am happy with that.

You can replace Bodhgaya by one of the Janapaarishad where Bodhgaya belongs but not the India which did not exists at that time.

Because when Buddha got enlightenment there was no India, why don’t you do some research what were the countries around that area at that time.

Repeating again and again “the mind of  "Buddha" was born in India” conflicting your own logic  at the cost of losing your own credibility? (I borrowed this sentence from you)

And to novaguy83  

My friend, If you don’t like some of the things Indians saying doesn’t mean that you have to boycott all Indian products, nobody does that. Lots of Indians say so many things about United States, but they are the one who are always ready to immigrate to US and love green bucks.

Or, if you like Hindi songs does not mean that you have to accept everything India is saying. India/Indians like green bucks, American products or may be white husband/wife does that means India/Indians have to accept whatever US says?

 

 

 

Timi mero sathi

Can you comment on  "Before Nepal's
emergence as a nation in the latter half of the 18th century, the
designation 'Nepal' was largely applied only to the Kathmandu Valley."

Which would mean lumbini was 'outside' of Nepal. You can google the quote above and you see numerous reference to it. Note that 18th century was only few hundred years ago and not few thousand years ago when Buddha was born.

I have noted that your thoughts are very rigid and mechanic and lacks flexibility. For example in your first reply you say "either you are confused (if you are honest) or you are trying to mislead"

then in your second reply you say "either you are very cunning or totally confused person"

So according to you, I could be either confused, misleading or cunning. You forget to include a lot more possibilities such as bored, fun loving, dumb, stupid, genius, etc. For all it is worth, I might simply be playing with your mind to relieve the boredom of monotonous work by injecting near factual statements expanded with creatively confusing intellectual fodder.

I wait for you to elaborate on  "Before Nepal's
emergence as a nation in the latter half of the 18th century, the
designation 'Nepal' was largely applied only to the Kathmandu Valley." And how that would mean Lumbini was not a part of Nepal when buddha was born

if you say nepal didnot exist when buddha was there...then i will say ...india existed since 15th August 1947 only.  GregDai dont give any bullshit since mahabharat.. or whatever... before that india was East india company, a british empire Britain..and before that there was no india... there were different states.... 

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As timimerosathi puts it, I think you are either dumb or stupid or anything in between. Your reasoning skills are less than the monkey NASA is training to send to space. So please excuse me if I don't want to continue discussing with you.

It is good that you deleted your statement about beheading me. LOL. At least be practical about what you say. Who knows if I am a foot taller than you and can kick your ass to another planet? I would advise you to keep your trap shut because you are only going to be making fun of yourself.

Man this is a total waste of waste of time. WTF is up with all this misguided pride ?  If Indians say Buddha was born in Nepal or India would that make our Nepali people's lives better ? NOPE !!! SO WHAT THE FUGGING POINT HERE MORONS ? THE COUNTRY'S BUCKLED TO ITS KNEES... MANCHEY HARU LAI EEK CHAG KHANAA DHAU DHAU CHA YO GADHA HARU LAI YESTOOO CHAINEY NACHAINEY KURAAA KO ARGUMENT.  NO WONDER THE COUNTRY IS IN SUCH A FUGGED UP STATE.

NEPALI PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PRIORITIES ALLLLL FUGGED UP. AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY.

That is egg jacktly my point.

 being a foot taller doesnt mean that you are intelligent. and by the way i did not say i would behead you, i said i would if anyone... whoever that be..   would post such a videos or comments that puts Nepalese morale down. and by the way by the way whatever i said in my post was not dumb and not practical... ... and listen..i will once again say "Nepal as of today, existed long before there was india..."

elaborate....

what a waste of time...had you people invested even a slight portion of your obsession at display on trying to find a way to improve the lives of nepali people we would have a better life. Interfering with priorities? dude you need to wake up and stop trying to prove what has already been proven and accepted. what more do you want? have the international community not recognized lumbini, which is NOW a part of NEPAL, to be the rightful birthplace of Buddha?? the burden of disproving that fact is upon the INDIANS who are trying to say otherwise...why should we even be bothered by such lunacy? 

i agree with you... but my concern is about the video that was in this thread... this is demoralizing. 

Learn from the Buddha. Why does it bother you if it's not true? Even if it's true, you should have accepted it and moved on.

this person grgDai is trying to convince all of us that buddha was not born in Nepal. Are you RAW agent dog; trying to brainwash sajha users using Nepali name?

Rationale are you dumb? Can you read? What does this mean

"But yes, when I argue that bodhisatwa was attained in India, I am only
trying to explain how the state of the mind of  "buddha" was born in
india. Obviously it is a known fact that Siddhartha Gautam who later
became known as the Buddha was born in Lumbini I never denied that "

Take a chill pill.

It hurt me when I watched the video. Then again I thought I shouldn't generalize Indians based on some individuals' comedy. I laughed many times when Santosh Panta made serveral dhoti jokes. I feel bad now. We should learn from these videos and do something positive for our country. As long as our country condition does't improve, we will be always associated with such bad names regardlesss of our personal success. I'm proud of Nepal and Nepalese. I keep hearing lots of nice stories of Nepali workers being loyal and trustworthy. We shouldn't let that image of ours shatter no matter what. This image has been maintained for generations and it should continue. On the other hand, we won't remember this cheap video after a couple of months.

BTW, Buddhism started some 500 years after Buddha's death. Buddha taught dhamma, law of nature, which is always true, nonsecterian, and timeless and so it is called sanatan dharma. There were many sects during the time of Buddha and he was not interested in them. Tripitak that contains Buddha's teachings doesn't have a signle word about "Buddhism". Unfortunately, after his death, his so called followers started sect called buddhism. True Buddha followers are those who practice sila (five percepts), samadhi (control thier minds), and panna (purify their minds) and walk in the path of liberation. If we are really proud of Buddha, we should follow his teachings -- art of living, way of life, code of conduct, rewarding in this life and life after this.

Dear Grgdai,

Looks like you are determined to prove what I am saying. Please read carefully
my first reply to you. let me explain now

In my first reply I have countered your statement that says Nepal didn't exists at the time of Buddha, and for that I gave you reference. I haven't talked about the boundary. Debating existence of a country is one thing and debating its boundaries is different thing and in your first statement you haven’t touched the word boundary.

Now you want to drag the debate without coming to the conclusion of the
existence of Nepal. The debate was not about the boundary instead it was about the existence of the country. When you start something be clear about the concepts it will help you a lot in future.

My second counter was about you stating that the knowledge Buddha was attained
in India. I countered you saying following you own logic you can not say knowledge Buddha was not attained in India because at that time country called India didn't exists ( this was not my logic I was following you logic which says that country Nepal didn't exists) and if it exists I requested you to give me proof. here I was playing your logic against you.


Instead of giving me the proof you came with the Mahabharata and about the controversy of origin of the word Nepal.


Following your own logic I gave with proof that debate about the existence is different and controversy about the name  of a the country is different, for this I cited the
example of china.

and for Mahabharata I  told you with example how ambiguous is the Mahabharata. Here again you failed to conclude then you started new point about the boundaries.

Your debating style is like that of Nepali political leaders talking for two years and failing to come up with a constitution. This is what happens when the concept is not clear and sticking to own logic valid or invalid.


Now regarding to “I have noted that your thoughts are very rigid and mechanic and lacks flexibility

To counter this I am using your own logic like in previous replies. In my first reply there was “either’ “or” already two options.  I may have given you more but that was the conclusion came after reading your post. After reading your second reply to me I added third own that also shows flexibility.providing three possibilities is not a sign of rigidity but sign of flexibility.

Till now I have not touched the subject where Buddha was born, I do not want to go to other topics unless we conclude the first three that is 1. Existence of Nepal,
 2. Existence of India and 3. Enlightenment  of Buddha in India . Otherwise the debate becomes clueless and this forum will become like constitution assembly of Nepal, “Raat bhari karayo, dakchina harayoo?

I just want to point you something which might be helpful to you. Not cross examining your logic for different statement you put forward will give your opponent to cancel your argument with your own logic without a delay.

Remember that till now I haven’t argued on any thing except for three things which I have mentioned above.

And now to friend Homlal

You are right my friend. At the time of his death Buddha said don’t worship my idol just follow the teachings. But followers did the opposite. Not only that, some of the followers even created the authority like Dalai Lama.
On the other hand, for average people like us it is very difficult to follow great path. I want to follow footsteps of Bill Gates (I am serious here) I even don’t know how, forget about Bill Gates I tried to follow this Nepali guy Mahato unable to do that either. Looks

like it is easy to follow a crook person than great persons.