आजकल  देक्छु जता सुकै माओबादी को बिरोध. लाग्छ कि माओबादी लाई गाली नगर्ने रास्ट्रभक्त नै होइन. जानेर भन्दा पनि अरुको हो मा हो मिलाई माओबादी  को बिरोध गर्ने जमात अझ बढी छ. माओबादी को अजेंडा मन नपराएर भन्दा पनि माओबादी भनेका त हवाई चप्पल लाउने र फाटेका कपडा लाउने मात्रै हुन् , हामी सुकिलो कपडा लाउने ले त कहाँ त्यस्ता को जमात मा मिसिनु हुन्छ र भन्ने सोचाई राख्ने झन् धेरै छन्.   हो यो कुरा साचो हो कि माओबादी ले हत्या र हिंसा को बोलि बोल्छ. आफुलाई कोइ मन परेन भने बोलि ले सम्झाउनु को साटो गोलि ले सम्झौछा. तर मैले बुझ्न नसकेको कुरा यो छ कि माओबादी लाई किनारा लाउने नाम मा माओबादी लाई एक्ल्याए पछि के  हुन्छ देश मा कोसैले सोचेको छ ? अस्ति महाकली बेच्ने प्रधानमन्त्री छन् , जनता ले खबरदार नगरेको भए पस्स्पोर्ट पनि इंडिया लाई बेच्ने तरखर मा  थे उनि. अर्की छिन् बिद्या . श्रीमान को माया हुन्थ्यो त श्रीमान को हत्यारा इंडिया संग येसरी साखुल्ले हुन्न थिन . सुजाता र गच्छदार को त क कुरा गर्नु . करोड मा बिक्चन सजिलै . ओली र शेखर र सुर्यबह्दुर जस्ता इन्डियन agent  को कुरा नै नगरम . अनि हाम्रो देशलाई बचहुने को छ त नेता . म माओबादी ले बचौचहन भनेको होइन . माओबादी लाई एक्ल्याए पछि , power  घटाए पछि इंडिया र अमेरिका को कति चलखेल होला देशमा. अनि अर्को कुरा माओबादी ले केई गरेन आफ्नो सरकार हुदा भन्ने लाई यो भन्न चाहन्छु  कि एता एमाले को घुर्की ,उता फोरम को मनमनि र अर्कोतिर काँग्रेस को जे गर्दा पनि खुट्टा तानई को बीच कसले काम गर्न सक्छ? एकचोटी बहुमात को सरकार बनाउन र आनी पनि केई गर्न सकेनन भने म त्यी दिन देखि माओबादी को सुप्पोर्ट गर्दिन . ऐले सम्म जति कान्तिपुर ले खेदो खानोस , नागरिक क कनक मनि दीक्षित र नारायण वाग्ले ले जति बिरोध म़ा लेखुं , र जति पनि "सुकिलो"  लाउने जमात ले नाक खुम्चावूस , म़ा माओबादी को समर्थन गरिरहनेछु .(मेरो कुरा मन नपरे तर्क सहित को उत्तर दिनु , नराम्रा सब्द प्रयोग गरेर तर्क बलियो हुदैन )

dalal's arguments just dont make sense. the more i read his posts, the more i feel like he is rooting for a civil war in Nepal. this is not something an educated person should be talking about imho.

@ dalal - what do u have to say about that prachanda's address to his cadres where he was blatantly making fun of the system, country, and the ignorant ppl and revealing his plans to one day rule the country through lies and trickeries?

 

राष्ट्र भक्त त तब भाईन्छ जब सबैले काठमाडौं मात्र नेपाल हो भन्ने मनसिक्ताको रुपान्तरन गर्छन्। जबो छ दिन खान नपाउद बाटो म उत्रने  १० बर्ष सम्मा गाउघर का जनता हरुले खपेको सस्ती के ति काठमाडौं बसी खते हरुलाई आबदित थिएन?सब खाते हरु आफ्नो दुनो सोज्यौने नै हुन।   

Raju161 thank you for starting hatred again

दलाल को कुरा चै मलाई मन पर्‍यो है , देस भनेको काठमाडौं मात्र हैन , रुकुम को खारा अनी जनक्पुर को धनुषा पनि हो , माओवादी को बिरोध गर्दै मा देस ले प्रगति गर्दैन ! देस लाई लुटेर बाडेर सत्ता मा बसेर सिङपुर र कपन गेह( मैले नाम बिर्सें ) मा सयोउ को जमात लगेर राष्ट्र को धुकुती मा राजाइ गर्दा त्यो पापड कहाँ थो ? काठमाडौं को सभ्य जनता कहाँ थे अनी अैले माओवादी को बिरोध ? तेत्रो जनमत पाएर बसेको पार्टी सडक मा छ २ २ ठाउँ बाट हारेका र समाज मा पैलाई गनैसकेका को जमात ले राष्ट्र लाई बारम्बार लुत्दा काठमाडौं का जनता किन उथ्दैन ? मलाई गर्ब छ आज म काठमाडौं बासी हैन

ठीक   हो देश भनेको काठमाडौं मात्र होइन कसैले हो भनेको पनि छैन तर   माओवादीले काठमन्दु मा जनत ओसरेको त? एक्चोति सोध्ने हो प्रश्न  माओवादीलैइ            माओवादीको बिरोध गरेर देश बन्दैन , हो सत्य हो तर म्अोबदिको समर्थन गरेर देश बन्छ त  बन्दैन ........
देश् भनेको खरा र रुकुम पनि हो तर के गर्‍यो त माओवादीले त्यहका जनता को लागि  ?  जनता भनेको माओवादी मात्र होइन अरु पनि छन अरु पार्टीको मान्छेलैइ मान्छे नगन्ने लाई के भन्ने त /

के तपाईं देश को हरेक मामालमा पापद्ले झपत दिनु पर्छ भन्नु   ? पर्छ भने किन तपाईं तलका मामालमा पापद खोइ भनेर नकराएको त /

१, शान्ती पस्चत पनि YCL को नाम म हिन्स हुँदा खोइ पपद भनेको त ?
२। रामहरी लैइ मर्द खोइ पपद भन्नु पर्ने होइन र /
३  प्रचन्ड ले शक्तिखोरे देश र जनता  को बिरोधमा बोल्दा को भिडियो बहिर अहुँदा पापद खोइ भनेर त सोधेनौ ?

जनमात पएर सरकार चलाऊअन दिएकै हो माओवादी लैइ  कस्ले रोकेको थियो र ?
जनमत क्o क्उर गर्ने हो भने एमले र् कांग्रेस क्ओ टोटल वोते माओवादी क्ओ भन्दा बढी छ 
Dui ठाउँ बाट हरेको मान्छेलैइ कस्ले सम्भिडन सभामा ल्यायो त् ? माधव नेपाल ज्अस्तो मान्छेलाई प्रधान मन्त्री बनाउनमा माओवादी क्ओ ठुलो हात छ  माओवादी क्ओ बिरोध भनेको सरकार को समर्थन होइन भनेर बुझ्न किन ग्अर्हो  माओवादी क्ओ बिरोध भनेको गरीब जनत को बिरोध होइन  माओवादी गरीब  जनता लैइ सपना बन्धेर आफ्नो स्वार्थ पुरा गर्न  खोज्दै छ भनेर   किन बुझ्दैन मान्छे  हरु /

माओवादी-खाओबदी जो सुकै होस् ...... जबरजस्ती गर्ने कसैलाई पनि छोडिन्न   

People are looking for miracle, from Rana, from Tribhuvan, from Mahendra, from Congress, from UML and from Maoist. In this history, sometime people voted Nanimaiya Dahal, sometime Padma Ratna, sometime Krisna prasad, some time Madan Bhandari, and finally Mr. Prachanda.

It is a politics, where leaders are fighting for power, some are less currpted, some are more, some are less voilent, some are more but the basic nature of these charecters are similar because they are the product of our own motherland Nepal. Definitley, politics is now a profession. Now who is Pracanda and who are Maoist. These are same people who were UML and congress before, but from the frustration, poverty and the lack of the governmence, these people are converted to Maoist and some are forcefully and some not. Ok, now what would happen to this country, nothing would happen there were enough Mandale, Nebisang, Youth Force in Nepal who hates maoist,  like in Sajha (these group represent the same group) and there are enough people in YCL and Maoist. Either Congress, UML or King are using the people to fight against Maoist or Maoist is preparing to fight to other people with his group but these groups of people are Nepali.

Some of you guys even don't want to think about Pracanda or Maoist or YCL, don't worry, because of the poverty, unstability no one will be stable in Nepal because people are mobile and they need another miracle from other people. People are thirsty, people are poor and people are uneducated. The basic differences between the people from remote area and people like me who is studying in USA is they hate all of us and if they get chance they will start hating Maoist again. It is a process. So, the important question here is who can be our hero. Who is the best for your country. Some of us will say, a dictetorship, some will say somthing, something.

Contd.




This is a miracle to Nepali, a hope, a frustration, anarki, thoughts, poverty, hate Maoist, fight for Maoist, Maoist Army, India -------------

this is another miracle

सर्बप्रथम दलाल जि लाई यो कुरो आबघत गराउन चाहन्छु कि माओवादी खत्तम भयो भने देश कदापी खत्तम हुँदैन। किनभने माओवादी पनि एउटा राजनैतीक सिद्दान्तह बोकेको जमात हो र खुकुरी, छुरी, बन्दुक नाल, तिनरुका  हात्खुट्टा हुन। अझै पनि बुद्धि बिवेक गुमाएका छैनन् भने माओवादीले के बुझ्नुपर्छ भने नेपाली जनता उसको पक्षमा छैनन्, केबल शान्ति र विकासको पक्षमा छन् | माओवादीको चरित्र र सक्कली अनुहार आम नेपालीले देखिसकेका छन्| यिनीहरु जनताको मनमा बस्न खोज्नुको सट्टा जसरी भए पनि हत्या-हिंसाको सहाराले आम नागरिकलाई त्रसित बनाई आफ्नो नियन्त्रणमा राख्न चाहन्छन्|आफ्नै अण्डा खाने सर्प र आफैंले ल्याएको लोकतान्र्तिक गणतन्त्रलाई सत्तास्वार्थका बलि चढाउन लालायित नेताहरू उस्तै हुन्। जुन जोगी आए पनि कानै चिरेको भन्नु यहाँ सार्थक हुन्छ। देख्छु बाबुराम जि र गजुरेल जि का सन्तान बिदेश मा म जसरी नै एअर कनदीसोनड खोपीमा मस्त छन् तर ति गऊघरका कलीला दुदे बलक बन्दुक बोकी रहेका छन - के को लागि हो यो नाटक नेपाल आमा को काखमा?
र अर्को जमात छ यहाँ जस्को जन्मेर नाइटो झरेको छैन ,माओवादी का बिरुद्ध मा विषवमन गर्छन्। फेरी दोहरयाउन चाहन्छु घ्रिना ले घ्रिना जन्माउछ। ति रुपैयाका दामले किनिएक माओवादी पनि हम्रै दाजुभाई हुन। बुझ गाउघर को अबस्ता अनी बुझ आफ्नो मनसिक्ता।  

@boulevard dreams: Sikkim WAS a Nation, not anymore!! I feel you have not turned the History book since 1975!! To understand why he was referring to Sikkim you need to look into more about Sikkim's History and Character called "Lendup Dorjee"

About Afghanistan the analogy is, look what happens when your country is playing ground for International Politics(look at its History, Soviet Vs America). I'll give you an example: Lets suppose Civil War breaks out in Nepal, and India sends its Troop in Nepal , "For Stability of Democracy and for Protecting Freedom and Liberty of Nepali People."!! Then they start a rampant killing and rape of Nepali Citizen!! They create a puppet government, but you feel you need to do something for your country and join with Forces to fight against Indian Military force in Nepal? So are you a Terrorist or a Freedom fighter??

In Nepal, the ONLY OPTION for stable Peace is to have a UNITY GOVERNMENT and to DRAFT a CONSTITUTION in TIME!!

If we start with petty EGO Fight then our whole nation will Suffer!!

yo maobadi ko birodh haina. 5 din nepal bandha kasaile garema k janata chupa lagera basna sakcha. usko chora chori school jana napauda, khana napauda ani kaam garera paisa kamauna napauda, jasto sukai manche lai pani ris uthcha.
Maobadi le j garyo thik garyo, sarkar le galti gareko cha, nikamma cha bhane tyasko birodh 100% garnu parcha, tara janata lai dukha diyera haina. Ti neta haru sabai ko ghar banda garidiu na( tyatikai pani office gayera talab matrai thapne ta hun, nikkamma haru ).
Ra maobadi le pahile jastai bal le nai sabai huncha bhanera manche marna thalyo bhane, k janata le afno surakcha ko lagi kehi sochda birodh gareko huncha.

thanx laure kancha for replying ....mood nai chalena nabujne lai reply garna . jaslai history taha chaina tyslae present pani bujeko hudaina .

Dalal bro, good point you raised about "jaslai history taha chaina tyslae present pani bujeko hudaina ."

Be it Financial World/Political World/Social World/Scientific World/Computer World :-)) name anything....

Hope you have read "People's History of United States", Howard Zinn!!

Yo thread Stockholm Syndrome ko upaj ho ki k ho?

Dalal.. is Dhaal... Pachanda chor`s Dhaal...... when prachanda fogs his wife Sita.. dalal acts like a dhaal...

i pity you dalal..seriously..i pity your ignorance...
you started the whole thread asking for answers to our questions with tarka....after i and several others responded..u did not answer with tarka to any of us.

lahure kancha...?
nobody is questioning the unity government for peace, many users including me mentioned it in previous threads....we are questioning the methods of maoist...the method of using violence as the solution to everything...
your analogy on Afghanistan is so far off buddy....there was a war between russia and america and usa aided  taliban to fight of russia for its own interest. unless china and india go on wars and put nepal in the middle....the analogy doesn't work...it is different situation..

here's your biggest mistake...your hypothesis of india having its troops in here and killing raping civilians...in todays world, country just dont send troops to other country to solve their internal problems,...the tension between maoist and other political party's in our internal issue...UN soldiers will be here long before any indian troops if things get crazy......
and here is the irony of your logic....you presented us with a hypothetical almost impossible situation of india having its troops here...lets say you are right...may be it can happen...my question to you is...replace india with maoist and you have got a situation that is not hypothetical and it is as real as it can get....maoist have constantly raped and killed cilvilians and we are fighting against it.....
SO ARE WE TERRORIST OR FREEDOM FIGHTERS????...think hard and answer...
we just want peace...thats all we want...
i respect you for wanting peace too...as we all do..

@amidstchaos I was replying to "boulevard
dreams"!! I though it was necessary to write where FACT was twisted!!
(where Sikkim was claimed as a sovereign country)!!



Violence doesn't solve anything that is my Stand!! Neither i'll argue
against or for the establishment or the Maoist in this scenario.



My hypothesis was just to show "boulevard dreams" when s/he claimed there
are lots of terrorist activities in Afghanistan, with respect to Dalal's
claim. So my question to you is "if Afgans fight back against American occupancy are they called freedom fighter or a terrorist?"...so will be the case if India send's its troop in Nepal!!

History: There was NO WAR between Russia (Soviet) and America. (if it's Cold War, then Yes). Still my point is when Countries (read Nepal/Afghanistan) becomes playground for International Politics, it is the country which is being PLAYED that SUFFERS!!

When India's Para-military force called BSF or SSB (Border Security Force/Seema Suraksha Bal) already doing "Raping and Harassing Part(killing may be isolated case)", Active 25 camps headed by Colonel of Indian Army are present in different parts of Nepal in name of Pension Camps. The continuous encroachment and Kalapani, and active involvement of Ambassador of India to Nepal in our internal matters are an example of Proxy Occupancy!!

I agree my hypothesis might be less probable considering the fact China is in UNSC with Veto power(considering it will vote against) and if India wants to move its Military, it'll do via UN help, than without!! BUT BUT Under Article 51 of UN Rules, USE OF FORCE in SELF DEFENSE  is the RIGHT Granted to all the STATES under that CHARTER!! [when India is drawing parallel between theirs' own Insurgency  and Nepali Maoist, it may not be sheer coincidence]

UN peacekeeping Soldiers coming to Nepal, you are kidding right?? "A traditional peacekeeping operation is established when parties to a
conflict, typically two states, AGREE to the interposition of UN troops
to uphold a ceasefire.

Well it Happens in Today's World : "example Panama(1989)/Iraq(~1990-20~)/Afghanistan/Serbia(Kosovo)/Georgia(By Russia)/ Presence of US forces in Korea......and how can we forget VIETNAM!!


In Nepal's Scenario we all are NEPALI....even Maoist are Nepali!! When you say WE are fighting against Maoist, and Maoist claim they are Fighting for Nepali's Right!! Whom do we believe??......Its the same case  of "One Man's Terrorist is, Another Man's Freedom Fighter"!!
Take any BOOK on CLASS UNREST and read it, then you'll understand Nepal's Scenario from different perspective!!

I am totally against VIOLENCE METHOD, both by REBEL or GOVERNMENT!! Violence cannot solve anything.....

If you Bring Democracy/Change via GUNS you have to DEFEND it VIA GUNS and you'll be BROUGHT down by GUNs......example: China/Iran/N Korea/Afghanistan/Iraq/Kosovo/Central American Banana Republics/ other South American Countries!!

Only Non-Violence can bring Permanent Peace: Gandhi(India), Mandela(SA), Dr. King (US Civil Right Movement)

lahure kancha....
i am glad we are basically on the same side....
although i don' think i will ever forgive maoist for the lives they have taken, i understand they have become as important of a political party than any others, so a unified govt for now before an election has become necessary.....
i barely post or reply to threads on sajha...but this time i felt we general public have had enough of maoist thinking of "my way or the highway" "join us or be killed or beaten" attitude...
all we want is peace and for maoist to use peace and care as their weapon rather than violence...i know it is not the easiest way because other parties are a bunch of dickheads too...but somebody has to step up and be an example...

i am glad that most of us sajha users including you and me feel the same way....
dalal, i hope you understand all we want is peace....and violence is not the only solution..

im outta here....
jai nepal

Sathi haru lai mero anurodh kurai nubijhi maoist ko dalal banna nakhoju.