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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-13-14 12:06
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I am surprised they were getting Nepali passport this far at all.
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satrianic
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Posted on 08-13-14 12:21
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Chor, Ghusya, Kisam bata Lutera,Soja Janata ko Hatya garera Satta ma pugne Maobadi Neta Haru ko Chai Rato Passport hune, Ani Bichara Uniharuko dar le Aru ko desama lunkera basnu parne Eistithi akka Sojha Jana ta lai Chai Passport pani banauna nadine.Kasto Niyam ho yo.
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-13-14 1:30
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For some reason I am thinking you have to give up your passport (and maybe citizenship) if you accept the asylum visa, is it not true?
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satrianic
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Posted on 08-13-14 1:38
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None of them is true. Only rule is that Asylee cant travel back to their home country. IF found doing so, their asylum status will be terminated. And US government doesn't provide us with American Passport when we asylum application is accepted. So basically, if this new rule comes in action. All Aslyee are stuck here in US and Cannot travel anywhere in the World.
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-13-14 1:57
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I see, that was my question. I can sympathize with the asylees. That's deplorable action from the Government.
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jholejindagi
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Posted on 08-13-14 5:17
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This is not going to happen..yeuta Nirnaya garna nasakne desh ma ...yo pani hudaina..
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Oh_Gaathe
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Posted on 08-13-14 8:14
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There is a thing called travel document which all asylee should qualify. You should be able to travel to any country with that. Its like a US passport but you need the visa. Will not have problem re-entering US
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KaliKoPoi
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Posted on 08-13-14 8:46
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According to USCIS (http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum) Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion. Now using common sense: Why on Earth you need the passport of the country where you can not live?
In English: If you say that you are no longer safe in Nepal and want to live in US why should you need a passport of a country that can not protect your life?
If you need to travel to different country that where you have filed asylum; see Oh_gaathe's answer.
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-13-14 8:53
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Well, just because you are granted an asylum to another country, doesn't mean you get a citizenship (and hence passport) of that country. What would then the asylee do? Passport is not to go back to Nepal, but to travel to other countries so from that sense, it does make sense to retain the passport of the original country until the asylee has a new passport.
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Posted on 08-13-14 11:56
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asking for asylum means telling govt of annother country that their own country could not guarantee their safety. Thus asking for a place to live and start a new life without fear of returning to the home country. Using passport from home country means that the person trusts his/her govt to provide safety and other diplomatic help incase of emergency. Asylee should not use passport of home country, instead they can be issued travel document and can return back safely. Tara sajilo chahi ghar ko rahadaani bokyo bhane nai hunchha bhanne hami lai layi raachha
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mno
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Posted on 08-14-14 5:50
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Think before you apply you fake asylees. Immigration will know you got green card through asylum as it will be printed on green card as A1, C1 whatever it is.
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YoTaBhayanaNiSom
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Posted on 08-14-14 6:41
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If true, this is sheer stupidity in part of Nepal government. Just because someone gets asylum in another country, that person does not cease becoming the citizen of the country of origin. This is a simple fact, isn't it? By not providing the passport to these folks, Nepal government is either unilaterally revoking their citizenship, which it cannot do as per UN convention it has signed against statelessness; or it is creating two classes of citizens, one entitled to the passport and the other not. What kind of monkeys are running the country these days?
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mno
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Posted on 08-14-14 7:25
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This is to discourage fake asylees. The real asylees, bhutanese, are not given nepalese passport, I guess. So they are not worried about nepalese citizenship or passport. I guess most of the so called asylees (maoist pidit) are fake. The real maoist pidit are still back in nepal.
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YoTaBhayanaNiSom
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Posted on 08-14-14 7:30
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Mno bro: I'm sure a lot of asylees are not genuine, but once granted asylum by the authority, they do have their rights unless otherwise proven. How can you justify denying rights of one genuine refugee by adopting a policy to discourage 99 fake asylees? On the other hand, will it really deter people from seeking asylum?
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Kiddo
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Posted on 08-14-14 7:32
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" Using passport from home country means that the person trusts his/her govt to provide safety and other diplomatic help incase of emergency." Nope! Has nothing to do with trust and safety. Has everything to do with travelling other places. Think about it, someone threatens you and you have to leave your country as an asylee. But you have to travel to other countries; there's a good chance you will get travel documents from the asylum granting country, but if not, you still have a choice to use your passport. Has nothing to do with your feelings towards your country. What you are mixing this with is the question many asylee ask about returning to their country, specially those who obtained asylum via illegit documentations. This is not the same case (I made that mistake on assumption as well).
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mno
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Posted on 08-14-14 7:42
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The nepalese government knows most nepalese asylees (not bhutanese) are fake. That is why they took this step, I guess. :) By the way after staying in america for 5+ years, don't these fake asylees get american citizenship? Or they become asylee in america for the rest of their life? If they want to travel to Nepal when they are asylee in america, does US allow to do that? Or these fake asylees go to India and sneak into Nepal? I think most asylees after getting greencard don't go to Nepal directly. They go through India their whole life I think. But now when these greencard holder fake asylees nepalese passport expire in 2015, they cannot even go to India.
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YoTaBhayanaNiSom
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Posted on 08-14-14 7:49
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"By the way after staying in america for 5+ years, don't these fake asylees get american citizenship? Or they become asylee in america for the rest of their life?" It's a choice they make. They can retain their Nepali citizenship and US Permanent Residency for rest of their lives. Why does it even matter what they do with their private lives? "If they want to travel to Nepal when they are asylee in america, does US allow to do that? Or these fake asylees go to India and sneak into Nepal?" I think this is true. But there's gotta be time limit to when they are not allowed to trave back to Nepal. It cannot be rest of their lives. Once granted US citizenship (if they choose to take up one), I don't believe they would be bound by such rules. All US citizens would and should have the same rights. Having said that, if their fraudulent asylum application is ever discovered by the authorities, they can revoke their citizenships and subject them to criminal proceedings and of course deportation. I don't think there will be stature of limitation in such cases...
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mno
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Posted on 08-14-14 8:45
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Must be Nepalese embassy getting a lot of passports from nepalese asylees and that raised a question. It is illegal for embassy to issue passport to fake asylees I guess. Don't talk about the rights of citizenship when you are wrong doer. मुखमा राम राम बगलीमा छुरा | The legitimate asylees record will be in the nepalese embassy (like bhutanese). I think 100% of all nepalese asylees are fake fake ( not bhutanese)
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satrianic
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Posted on 08-14-14 8:50
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This is not about right or wrong anymore, if this was about right or wrong, then passport from all those corrupt politicians should be seized. This is a classic situation of "play of power".
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YoTaBhayanaNiSom
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Posted on 08-14-14 8:51
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Mno bro, you are implying "Guilty till proven innocent" not the other way round... If they have obtained asylum in the US after satisfying US authorities, you and I can have only opinion about their authenticity. But we have no right to demand they be denied their rights until they are proven to be fraudsters. I agree most of them most likely are....
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