While watching match between Nepal VS India, I saw people holding banner saying "Buddha was born in Nepal, not in India." Was this banner really necessary for this match? Does this kind of attitude shows how immature Nepalese are?

Vhootee & Sidster, my question to both of you is: What will you gain after proving that Buddha was born in Nepal? Will this solve the problem of 'education inequality in Nepal?' Will this solve the problem of 'load shedding' in Nepal? Will this solve the problem of 'high corruption' in Nepal? Remember, there was a time when there was no INDIA, there was a time when there was no NEPAL, there was a time when there was no AMERICA, and there will come a time when INDIA, NEPAL, and AMERICA will collapse from the world map. This is how civilization works, and this is how evolution of time works. For your momentarily pride and joy, you are forgetting the long term consequences. Our energy and time are wasted on too much of focusing on stuff like this than really focusing on how to bring about a quality of life for people. This world is nothing but sex and ego. Budddha with his own self-effort reached a level beyond sex and ego and was called Buddha! Do you have this level of self-effort? Buddha, if alive today, will not give a crap about Nepal and India. For him, this world is a dream.

 

1. Was the message wrong  ?-----No
2. Was it a peacefull Display ?---Yes
3. Was the message offensice to the society?---No
4. Was such display prohibited by law ?---No

So my friends,  they have right to do what they believe is right who are we to enforce our belieif on them ? Nepal is a free country,  they are alllowed to express their opinion peacefully.

We shouldn't care where Buddha was born, but we should give frontpage news on the national dailies when the nepalese become the first person to "fart" in other continents because that will solve all the problems you outlined and we feel "pride" because we now live in that new continent.

I think it is necessary now looking at the launch of the new Tv series buddha where everybody seems to be claiming buddha was born in INDIA. So, taking that into perspective, it is necessary.

Yes. It's high time we took some steps of our own too! Lets burn Indian flags outside Indian consulates over Kabir Bedi's comments! We really missed out on a glorious opportunity of burning Colbert's effigies over his comments about Kumari, didn't we? It's imperative we all wore shirts with messages to inform the entire world that Buddha was born in Nepal, not India. That'll help the country alleviate poverty. Goverment officials will no longer be corrupt while politicians will start serving the country w/ honesty! 

 I guess none of these people have heard Nepalese referred to as "Bahadur".
If you have get over the banner! That's how the people in the stadium felt  about India/Indians and they showed it.
Too much stay in the US makes an otherwise normal Nepali sensitive and confused!

@Ujl,
It is not about what you can get from it. It is about "Right" and "Wrong". I think it is a common sense which most Nepali people lack. The only thing we tend to understand is if we get some tangible benefits from it. By your logic, if we are not going to get anything from it. Why not say "Kathmandu is a part of India", why not "Mt. Everest is in India", why not " Laxmi Prashad Devkota is an Indian", why not "Pashupati is in India". Where do you stop and say it is wrong? If you say any of the above statement (which you know are false) and pretend it is not a big deal, will it matters. So by your logic, the only time you will stand up and defend it is when it will bring electricity, eliminate poverty and stop corruption. Do you get the logic? To reclaim a part of our history and set the record straight, yes it will not give us (you in this case) gold and silver, but will add to the very few things we have and are proud of. We are not telling a lie, but standing up for a truth. Is it that difficult to understand?

Being poor does not mean we will have to sell our soul, what is rightfully ours is ours even if it worth nothing. Maybe not to you now, someday your future generation will make something out of it, will be proud of you.

@Riddle
Don't you think you're being too negative, doubtful and cynical of Nepal people? Things are changing and we can't stop because of the past experience.

Vhootee, how do you know what is right and what is wrong?

 Idk why you keep twisting my opinion using your own idelogies and coming up w/ newer gems! I find those pics/banners extremely cringeworthy. I didn't ask for a ban, did I? 

Ujl

Right - buddha was born in nepal, Lumbini

Wrong - India claiming to the world.

@Riddle, suit yourself.

With that said, I'm going to leave everybody with peace, one of Buddha's teaching.
Thank You and
Jai Nepal.

Just found out that Zee TV has been shut down in Nepal because it started broadcasting the serial "Buddha." Shutting down TV channels shows how immature Nepalese can be. Nepal MUST be economically and intellectually powerful in order to fight with India. It seems like India has the remote to control Nepalese people!

@ Ujl

You are right that Nepal should be economically powerful in order to fight with Indians. But why should we fight with them? All we are saying is, they are misleding and misrepresenting the facts about Buddha. Which is wrong? And it hurts the sentiment of many people. I think banning Zee TV was a very smart move.

@sajhafan, I am not saying "fight" in a literal sense. Here fight means "to compete." And dear sajhafan, till when will you ban Zee TV, Start Plus, Zee Cinema, Star Gold, Sony?? We need to seek out real and smart solutions rather than emotion based solution. Duty is higher than emotions. These kind of banning TV channels, shutting down Nepal, putting shoes garland on Hritik's photo will continue forever. And Indians know this fact. Therefore, I am saying that we need to calm down ourselves and start thinking new strategies rather than being emotionally stuck with extremely pathetic ideas like "birthplace of an ordinary guy named Siddhartha Guatama." You can be Buddha if you really want to be! When we react on these kind of pity ideas, then Indians will get more chance to annoy Nepalese and bring about disharmony in the nation. We need to calm down ourselves. If an Indian says, Pashupatinath temple is in India, will Pashupati fly to India? No, fact will remain fact. The International UNESCO clearly mentions Buddha was born in the Kingdom of Kapilavastu, which in present day is Nepal. Wasting time and energy on these things will harm the peace and prosperity of Nepal. The future of a country depends on what the citizens of that nations are doing right now! If we forever involve in riots, banning, shouting, arguing on pathetic ideas, Nepal will never prosper. Always remember, where there is peace, there is prosperity.

@ Ujl

My friend you are totally confused

1. Who told you that making a peaceful display/demonstration  within the limits of law is aggressive? and we need to calm down? are you crazy?
2. Dont you respect others lawfull right for peaceful display?
3. You may think whatever you want to think personally but when you come to media with your personal thought you must be aware of what is allowed by law and need to respect others right.
4. It is very strange to find that whenever some Nepali make peaceful complain/display/demonstration against some illigitimate indian claim there are always some other Nepalese trying to portray themselevs as a great thinker about Nepal India relationship.


here no need to talk big it is very simple and straight forward thing

Budhha was was beginner of the budhhism so naturally ppl have more interest about his birth place as simple as that.

Indians some how started to claim that he was born in India, Nepal claim otherwise with evidence , India disagreed, Nepal asked Unesco for help, Unesco sent a team of scientists, they proved that Budhha indeed was born in Lumbini.


Dont you see the power of protest here ? had Nepal been quiet and acepted Indias claim of budhha being born in India, World could have never known the reality.

After more than a decade of findings, still Some national Actor on National Tv which has international viewer airs wrong  information and we still supposed to keep quiet? not even a peaceful protest? 

Only North Korean Leaders will think peaceful dispaly as aggressive. Why it is difficult for you to accept others right for a peaceful display about misleading information?
And, since when peaceful display about misleading infromation became "emotional thing"? Just because you decided to  think so ?
Budhha's teaching is about seeking the truth, Budhha never said one should keep quiet about a lie , did he ?

Yes you can be Budhha if you want to BUT you can never be a Budhha if you dont respect others right.

Please dont try to create strom in a tea cup

there was a misleading information aired in Indian national TV, PPl in Nepal decided to make a peacfull dmonstration about it, which is their democratic right and they did it, whats wrong about that?

Liberty is not about thinking or saying or doing whatever we want. It is about exercising our freedom in such a way as to make a difference in the world and make a difference more than just ourselves. (From American Scholar, V 67)

 Calm down, guys. Buddha was born in Nepal, not India. Everything's gonna be alright. 

Riddle 

question here is whether the display was necessary or not? 

So I am trying to concentrate on the question

By making such demonstration a group of fellow Nepalese arte practicing their lawful right

1. The display was not derogatory to the society,
2. It was not aggressive
3.Our law allows it
4. The information they are trying to convey is not against anyone

So why are we questioning such act? Just because someone does not like it? In a democratic society we are supposed to respect others lawful right, isn’t it?

Questioning such act just shows how intolerant we are. No wonder we end up fighting on non issues.

Interesting discussion, and I must say both Vhootee and Sidster have excellent points. Maybe it is not a big deal that we are screaming the birthplace at the top of our lungs but then if you look it closely, it actually is. We indeed are making a big deal out of it, aren't we? Or else why would we get all worked up when we always know facts cannot be changed.

Pardon me if I am incorrect, but maybe it just stems out of our inherent hatred towards Indians, maybe because of their so called hegemony, maybe we despise all Indians because of their accent, their competitiveness, their timidity, their stinginess etc. I do not know. Because quite honestly, everytime I sit down with fellow Nepalese friends the discussion is more than just Buddha, most of the discussion hovers around how their fellow coworker doesn't have an extra pair of sneakers and doesn't drink beer with them because it costs money. And I question myself, if I should be proud of Buddha being born in Nepal when we cannot put his wisdom in use.

I understand freedom of speech, and that we do not have any control over it. But I am in serious doubt that people who carried that banner in that soccer match peacefully wanted to inculcate Indians about our history and perhaps this is what riddle and vasudev were trying to explain. And while I say this I am not supporting Indians, they follow suit when they play against Pakistan, which in turns returns favor in similar fashion.

So I guess what I am trying to say is, theoretically what we are doing is wrong, regardless of the fact how Indians treat us if we truly are followers of Buddha.

Underscore, I didn't call for a ban on those banners. I merely expressed my personal opinion. You lot keep harping about freedom of expression, speech and what not and I'm not entitled to do the same? A lot of people cringe at the sights of somebody liking their own pics/statuses on fb, and you could say the same about people cringing at couples and mothers (of their kids') uploading a gazillion pictures. This situation is no different. If they wanna do it, I'm not stopping them. I cringe at the sight as I find it extremely tacky and redundant. I hope that cleared it up a little bit. 

Behoove me ji,
I'm a huge fan of yours. We all know your presence here is a delight and your fictional writing is always a fun to read. No doubt, you are very popular. I'm writing this to you and you alone to see your non-fictional real world analysis.

Let me start
This is NOT about the message but about the messanger. It's not about religion and teachings, it is about a historical fact. By reading your comment above and re-reading it again (unless I don't get your supreme way of writings), you are simply stating how bad of a buddhist we are, if I'm correct. Yes, I agree we have lost many (most, to be honest) of his teachings. But there is a time and place for such discussion. It's just a religion and cannot be exercised completly authentic in this modern day, no religions can be practised in its purity that were written thousands of years ago. It is impossible. Buddhism dictated "non-attachment"  of physical things to live a thruthful and simple life. Can we do it in this modern time? That's just one, I can dig into infinty of how we do not follow Buddha's teachings. But that does not change the fact Buddha was born in Lumbini, Jesus in Jerusalem, Mohammed in Mecca.

While Nepali overseas are changing, and their hatred towards Indians are diminishing, it is impossible for Nepali in Nepal to do that for various reasons that are beyond this discussion. Only when you don't have to live with the person next door, then you start apprecating their presence and void at the same time. It is easy when you are in America, Europe and Australia to say "Why do you hate Indians?" and become offended and angry. And I hope you're mature enough to know that every neighbouring countries in this world hate each other in certain context, not just Nepal and India. It is universal, nothing to do with Buddha's teaching.

Regarding those people who are holding banners, they do not have to be Budda's disciples to make their point. They are not there to prove their religion and how pure of a Buddhist they are, but are there to claim the historical fact that belongs to them. Remember the sign says "Buddha was born in Nepal" and NOT "I'm a pure Buddhist"

If you can point out why we should not give a damn about the historical truth that Buddha was born in Nepal, and not drag our moral values into the discussion, I'll appreciate your response.

Pardon my bad writing. Thanks