Sujata Koirala- Jost is a minister w/o portfolio now.

She will be overseeing the office of PM.

Congrats Sujata Didi.

Sirish,

i hope you know the Sandlewood case of Sujata right?? If she is grabbing resources while she can right now, what can we expect of her if she is now officially in the government?? I am not talking of Girija....Sujata is my concern here. I think if Giraja had to give a chair to his relative..there is a Sekhar Koirala who i think is son of B.P. Koirala who is far better than Sujata. What do u think about that???

Poon-hill,

Shekhar is not BP Koirala's son - he is the son of  BP's brother late Keshav Koirala (BP's brother) and late Nona. Shasanka Koirala is the son of BP Koirala. Till 3-4 years ago they were not in the political scene. Shekhar Koirala is more in the political scene and Shasanka is more into drinks and girls (sura-sundari), so we don't get to hear about him often.

Frankly, I don't think both Shekar and Shasanka are capable: - they must be already in their late fifities and early fifties respectively and they have not proved their mettle yet. Both have been catapulted because they are Koiralas and not because of their capabilities. I have heard both of them speak in TV and read their interviews - they are very inarticulate and lacking in knowledge. However, they may still be better than Sujata.

 

removed.

fu lai fu nai vaninchha aachi lai aachi navane ke sun vanne

Bandits, Crooks, and Criminals running the Country togather.

Legalizing Extortion, Kidnapping,Intimidation, Raping, Robing, Beating etc etc.

Nepal is going to be a Criminals Heaven pretty soon.

BC

You are talking like a clairevoyent, yet not doing anything to prevent the disaster ?

Ke ho yesto ?

 

Nepe, Shirish:

What the heck guys?? This is dissapointing...

how can u be fan of smone knowing all his shameful deeds of the past?
then i guess u r big fan of khume too. he has the money and control over many cadres.

Poon Hill wrote:

i hope you know the Sandlewood case of Sujata right??

 

Sure...but she is compelled to do these things to support and raise money for the party and cadres.

somewhere in Sajha I asked/posted for how to run a political party in Nepal without corruption. NOBODY, NOBODY could come up with a satisfactory answer.

So my conclusion was: IT's OK to be corrupt to run a political entity in a country like Nepal.

On top of that, now the elections are coming and 1 million for each samsads are not enough. My guestimate is 100 million at least for each candidate. Sujata has to raise the money to support these candidates and put herself in the queue for PMship.

NB: Nepali Congress has no official bank account. Sujata mostly controlls it. 

Well, the problem as I see it as, even though the 8 parties are supposedly "democratic", they do not practice "democracy" within their organizations. I do not know about either the Indian case (read Nehru/Gandhi) or the Pakistani case (read Bhutto), but in the US (for those of you following the primaries) however much you disagree with the policies and governance of Bush, he was democratically elected. Bush had to go thorugh a gruelling primary (or caucus) in each of the fifty-two states before he could even contest the elections. We do not have anything of that nature in any of our parties be it NC, UML or the Maoists. Why are the Koiralas, Nepals or Dahals even leaders of those parties? They never in their life had to contest a fair election within their organization to get a party ticket (nomination) to contest elections. If one were to think of holding something similar to a primary within the NC, I bet Sujata would have lost it (or maybe have won it) but at any event, she would have more legitimacy than she has now. Qualifications aside, to be a legitimate leader, you need the permission (or at least a semblance of) the people who are being led. Isn't that the essence of democracy? At least the way I understand it.

Kundale,

I agree with your opinion.

I had three things in my mind

1. Girija consulted with other political parties to appoint Sujata and they had no objections.

2. Girija consulted with other political parties to appoint Sujata and they had onjections to her appointment. Girija went ahead due to pressure from Sujata and appointed her anyway.

3. Girija did not consult any one as if he is not doing any wrong doing.

Since, the oppositions, intellectuals and other political entities did not raise (up to now) anything against the appointments, who are we to oppose her. We are not in the main stream politics, we have not contributed much to the country's development and political developments etc?

"If Rape is inevitable, you better enjoy it."

kukur ko pani din aaune rahechha vanthyo. Kukurnee ko po aayechha. La aba Gyane Jindabad.

Shirish,

I always clicked on your postings, and I was a kind of fan of your postings, but the following notes are troubling  me whether I was alright with my earlier observations.

Shirish: So my conclusion was: IT's OK to be corrupt to run a political entity in a country like Nepal.

Shirish:  "If Rape is inevitable, you better enjoy it."

These two sentences appear in two different postings, and therefore, you are consistent.

 

My personal understanding is that if you know that you are raping someone, and if you know that it is immoral, illegal, and inhuman to rape, you should not be doing it, no matter what condition prevails, but die or surrender your life. Well, you can call it adarsha, but thats where I live. The way you defended Sujata using these two sentences, is far away from my expectations from you. I regret to read the way you defended. I am personally disappointed.

GP

GP

So, Do you have any means/way to run a political organization without being corrupt ? Has there been any political parties that has a clean record in Nepal ?

 

The second quote is dependent on subjective interpretation. The key word in invevitable, which means unavoidable, coming, inescapable. So if it is bound to happen and can not be avoided then what do you do?

Also, you are right with your interpretation. In context to Sujata, it has happened and GP can not change it, the so called intellectual groups can not change it, the political parties can not change it. Alternatively, you just accept it and enjoy just like the rape that was inevitable.

 

GP

Sorry to dissapoint you but are not they the bitter reality ? What have we done to avoid those situations?

Shirish,

The only way we can solve the problem of Nepal is to rid off all these old hags clinging on to their Kursii and Power for over a decade. And have either UN or some Non Profit Organization moniter our whole political and electorial process. We need to start from scratch with a clean slate. Its obvious this same old same old is not working. Daily lives of OUR NEPALI FOLKS in Nepal have gone from bad to worse. And yet the bhedaaa and bakhra's are only concerned about their parties and their leaders. The rest can goto hell(Maddawg mentality). We need someone who will look at Nepal as a country not just congress, communist, monarchist, or anarchist. Who will at nepali people's plight not Bahun's plight, not Jyapu's plight, not Sherpa's plight BUT NEPALI PEOPLE"S PLIGHT.

Amanji,

 

My remark was meant to encourage you and others to have a decent and engaging discussion. So far so good.

 

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Maverickji,

 

You missed the sarcasm. I suppose I was not clear enough this time. You might find this one more telling.

 

http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openthread.cfm.cfm?StartRow=211&PageNum=8&forum=271&threadid=26626#205882

 

 

 

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Shirish,

 

You remind this sher of mine:

 

जबर्जस्ती हुन्थ्यो नत्र

यो सोची हौसिएको हुँ

 

http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openthread.cfm.cfm?StartRow=181&PageNum=7&forum=271&threadid=26626#205297

 

 

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Bathroomcoffee,

 

Good to see you having a decent conversation.

 

We sure missed you at Sajha get-together in Boston.

 

Now to your last remark “The only way we can solve the problem of Nepal is to rid off all these old hags”, while that is the goal, how to reach there is the question. That is the whole point of Shirish.

 

It does not take much to understand that there is no magical wand for that. Establishing a system by doing a little thing at a time is the only way. And what little thing you, I and everybody can do is the question Shirish actually is asking.

 

Hope we all have creative and practical things to say than wishing a unknown magic and swearing at poor people of Nepal.

 

Nepe

  

Nepeji,

That's why I did not write full spelling of the word.

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GP wrote:

"I regret to read the way you defended. I am personally disappointed."

GP,

Politically, I will suit for KG or Grade I. so being dissapointed with me does not mean anything.

You know who you should get disappointed with?

All those civic societies, intelligentia, political parties like Nepali Congress and all the champions of change !!

I am just utilizing this oppurtunity to be sarcastic to their "quietness" and not being able to oppose the move. Girija literally raped these fellows.