Hi guys, I kind of, have been following  the news about things are going on in Dargeeling lately such as strike, bandh, fighting between Gorkhalies (ethnic Nepalese) and Bengalies etc.............

All I want to say rightnow is, It's hurt me when Madhesis (ethnic Indians) ask for Terailand, and I am pretty sure Indians also feel the same way.

Now your turn to say..............

@BathroomCoffee,

"IF YOU DO NOT WANT INDIA MEDDLING IN NEPALI POLITICS AND GOVERNING SYSTEM THEN STOP MEDDLING WITH THEIR INTERNAL POLITICS AND GOVERNING SYSTEM.
KEHII BHAYOO BAHNEY BORDER BANDHA GARII DINCHAA ANI NEPAL MA HAHAKAR MACHCHA THEN WHAT ?
USE YOUR FUGGING HEAD, IF YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE DON'T BE THROWING STONES AT OTHERS."

"Nepal has enough problems of its own at the moment. We do not need to pile Gorakhland on top of that.
Nepal neither has the money or resources to fend India if they bring this problem inside Nepali Borders."

Bro yes I agree with you, on national govt level it is better not to meddle with each other's internal affairs but I don't think this thread is started by some govt agency to spread any propaganda. We are just talking here as normal human being, sajha members. National (political) level ma support garyo bhane tyaha ko stithi jhan jatil bhayera jancha karan bideshi haat cha yesma bhanera.

Aba border ko kura garne ho bhane Prachanda le tesai pani banda garne bhanekai chha ta. Dhukka bhayena ta?

There is nothing wrong discussing on political issues around us. If we can discuss Obama vs Hillary Clinton here in sajha, why not Gorkhaland?

"WE SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR NEPAL'S INTEREST NOT GORAKHLAND"S INTEREST. SO GO ON TO GORAKHLAND'S SITE SUPORT AND VOTE THERE ... NOT HERE. Thanks."

This is just a discussion bro. It does not matter if you say YES or NO. Just a discussion. Sajha admin has not asked us to vote here.

@mR. hydE,

"Right on BathroomCoffee!
Even if we support, it could be only on people level not on (Nepali) government level.
By the way, the Darjeelinge people were not so considerate to us when I visited with my HS friends back in the day. I see a lot of them being employed in Nepal as if they own the land and look down upon the 'raithanyes'."

mR. hydE bro I agree with you too, just a moral support is enough. I don't know what happened to you in that Darjeeling trip you had back in the days, but I am sure it is not because you travelled from other side of the border. What is wrong with a small number of Darjeelinge people coming and working in Nepal when over 2 million Nepalese from Nepal go to work in India. Moreover Nepal's border is not open only on eastern Darjeeling side, how about south and western border (Bihar, UP, HP etc) where hundreds cross over everyday?

@bisal123,

"Look our mentality here, when Nepali-Indina ask for a seperate state in India we want to support them, but when Indian-Nepali ask for separate Terai (not a seperate country) in Nepal, we don't want any Indian to support them."

bisal123 bro I think you did not read my earlier post in this thread. In Indian constitution there is a provision for a creation of a new state within Indian union but it is not in Nepal's constitution. Indian states are formed according to people, language and/or culture. There is no such state distribution system in Nepal's constitution till date.

"Ta Bhate jasto aarko ko ghar ma ke vai raheko cha vanne ho, khurukaa aafnai ghar mai basna. Hongkong ra England ma 'Gorkhaland' chahiyo vanera maag ta, they gonna kick you out, Mexican le yeha 'Mexicoland' vanos ta, tini haru ke jatra garcha Redneck haru le."

Hongkong ra England ma state tesari baneko chaina bro. America ma Mexican le kasari Mexicoland bhancha jaba tyaha state jaati ko aadhaar ma nai baneko chaina bhane. American states haru straight line ko aadhaar ma bibhajit gareko chha.

@Samsara,

"Nepalis in Darjeeling ARE our Nepali brethren too. Damn, have we forgotten already that their contribution to the Nepali music/entertainment/soical structure is ginormous!! For all I could care, their problem is OUR fugcking problem. WTF!! Ain't no one looking for Nepal to finance an all out Gorkhaland struggle but atleast there are some who support their cause mentally and would do anything viable within their means to help...And I am such.

BTW alik saro som and Darjeelinge Daju, is GNLF still ruling the roost there?"

Samsara bro yes people there don't need anything more than a moral support. GNLF is gone now, only a handful of them left with their ousted leader Ghising with no power at all. The new party is GJM with overwhelming public support with a new leader Bimal Gurung.


साथी भाईहरु म यहाँ साझामा झगडा गर्नु या भनाभन पर्नु आएको होइन । खाली यो गोर्खाल्यान्डको धागोमा केही साथी भाईहरुले नबुझेको कुरा बुझाउनलाई मात्र लेखेको । आफ्नो जाती सन्स्कृतिको प्रेम भावना भएको कारणले मात्र साझामा पटक पटक आउने गर्दछु। दया गरी झगडा चाँही नगरि दिनु हुन भनी नम्र निवेदन गर्दछु ।

दार्जीलिङे-दाई Tapai ko kura maan paryo. You seem very nice and polite. some people need that from you. Anyway, Dargeeling ma Banda, Strike, Tourists stranded bla.....bla.......bla...... sunera dikka lagcha, Nepal  ko 75 Jilla ma ta bhayo bhayo, 76 Jilla ma pani tehi dekhera, I started this thread.

Peaceful protest garnus. Kasailai dukha na dinus. Banda, Chakkajam, Tire in Fire nagarnus. Nepal ko 'Bandh' dhekera malai ghati samma aai sakyo. Now on I will never support anykind of 'Bandh' regardless of demand.

I wish you all a good luck. 

 

Daju, well said!!  Some of these bigots we have ar sajha need to be castrated and paraded naked in Lebong stadium for all to see.  BTW, It's a pity that our Nepali brethren still harbor this outsider mentality to the Neps in Darj.  C'mon, we the Nepali Disapora are all gonna have kids someday who may be born abroad...And if they ever do find themselves needing help from the Neps, we wouldn't want them to be labeled as Non-Nepalis and their requests laughed upon!! 

Nincompoops like BathroomCoffee (a damn hypocrite) need to find their gray matter before its too late.  Fugcking jackazz!!

We nepalies are exploited by indians in 100 ways. The Gurkhalanders are facing the same in 101 ways. .... because there is this Bengali Chauvinism that is brutally suppressing the Gurkha identity.

So those who are exploited have the right to self determination. Every nation has the right for self determination. If Madhes wants it, give them their freedom.

Hulak Bro.

"Bro yes I agree with you, on national govt level it is better not to meddle with each other's internal affairs but I don't think this thread is started by some govt agency to spread any propaganda. We are just talking here as normal human being, sajha members. National (political) level ma support garyo bhane tyaha ko stithi jhan jatil bhayera jancha karan bideshi haat cha yesma bhanera."

You said it yourself, BETTER NOT TO MEDDLE. SO END OF STORY. Why give an excuse to India to point fingers at us ? Tyasai ta Calcutta ko port ma jailey pani kich kich bhaiirakya huncha, this would give them just another excuse to give us a hard time. Fact- We have to depend on India on most aspects of our daily life from import of suger and salt to cars and fuel. So is it worth having this discussion at the expense of staying in hours of line to get 1 liter of petrol or a kilo of sugar ? Nope. So this is a waste of time. END OF STORY. yesto kura garyoo bhaney India ley Nepal lai satauney neuuu matrai pauucha.

"Aba border ko kura garne ho bhane Prachanda le tesai pani banda garne bhanekai chha ta. Dhukka bhayena ta?"

Is garakhland folks gonna provide Nepal all its needs if India closes its border ? Is Gorakhland folks bringing food and supplies when Prachanda closes the border ? IF THEY ARE NOT THEN WHY SHOULD WE HELP THEM ?

"There is nothing wrong discussing on political issues around us. If we can discuss Obama vs Hillary Clinton here in sajha, why not Gorkhaland?"

There is nothing wrong I agree, in your eyes. If Indian Government thinks the same way, fine. Tyo JUN GORU KO SINGH CHAINA TYESKAI NAAM TIIKHEY NAHAU, the difference is the consequence.

Gorkha land is a dream. As it did not work out for Panjabee people, it will not happen for Gorkhalis in Dargeeling. May be separate state as other states in India.

wht made u so pessimist trueyeee???????????

they already have punjab state.
gorkhaland will happen if all gorkhalis are united. it would had happened if there wasnt suabash ghising

Whoever says whatever ,I salute gorkhali and by heart support them they need gorkhaland and it is a pride for all nepali speaking ppl all around the world. Muji koi vate haru kura nabuji karaucha bihari ka kaput haru,nepal ta ek state jatrai pani chaina k ko terailand??? ra pani gorkhali le gorkhaland magera kasailai dhapaune kura ta gareka chainan ni ,vate ho ,Darjeeling Gorkhali ko ho ,gorkhaland ho including siliguri and all what htey have demanded, Alikati pani gidi navako muji haru yaha pyar pyar nagar!!

Darjeelinge Dai,

What do you think (if any) will be the impact of recent Chinese intrusions into Arunachal, Laddhak and Sikkim on Gorkhaland issue.  Is the Central government going to take a negative stance on the issue citing national security or will they try to please their vanguards by granting a separate state?

Hari"Whoever says whatever ,I salute gorkhali and by heart support them they need gorkhaland and it is a pride for all nepali speaking ppl all around the world. Muji koi vate haru kura nabuji karaucha bihari ka kaput haru,nepal ta ek state jatrai pani chaina k ko terailand??? ra pani gorkhali le gorkhaland magera kasailai dhapaune kura ta gareka chainan ni ,vate ho ,Darjeeling Gorkhali ko ho ,gorkhaland ho including siliguri and all what htey have demanded, Alikati pani gidi navako muji haru yaha pyar pyar nagar!!"

This is what I call BHEEEDA TALK. Now this moron wants Nepalis to blindly support Gorakhland without thinking about the consequences. Hami ley sabai kura bujheko cha. Ajjha Silguri and all that they have demanded rey !!! Hasaucha.

Source : Outlook India

 True Colours
A person's, group's, party's or community's true colours come out in times of crises. Faced with sudden and unprecedented opposition in Nandigram, the CPI(M) deployed its armed cadres to quash the revolt. Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee bares his fangs whenever he's angry or upset. And now that the Gorkhas have started demanding a separate state comprising large and scenic tracts of North Bengal, the oh-so-bhadralok Bengalis who love to call themselves tolerant, egalitarian and broad-minded have turned abusive, bigoted, parochial and provincial. Which just goes to prove that beneath that veneer of sophistication, the average Bengali is as communal and parochial as Raj Thackeray and his goons. Difference is, Raj & Co have the courage to speak their minds while the Bengalis would try and couch their racism in sophisticated language. But the stalwarts that Bengal produced decades ago were far from bigoted and prejudiced. Tagore spoke of opening minds and Vivekananda about all religions being equal. It is so unfortunate that those who swear by Tagore and Swamiji today don't know anything about the lives and teachings of those great personas and prefer, instead, to go the way of the Thackerays.

Marxist Duplicity
To a Marxist, or a Communist, 'preserving the contours of a state' (as a resolution introduced by the Chief Minister at the all-party meeting earlier this week said) shouldn't be important at all. Communism is all about lofty (albeit unattainable and impractical, but that's another matter) principles where ideology, and not man-made political boundaries or contours, is of primary importance. Emancipation is important, as is empowerment. Marxists profess empathy for the poor and marginalized and claim to work for their interests. Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and his comrades ought to, then, be the strongest advocates of the Gorkhas who are perhaps the poorest, the most neglected and the most backward among all communities in Bengal. They lag behind the rest of Bengal, of which they're unwilling citizens, in most human development indices; decades of neglect and discrimination have left the Gorkhas angry, frustrated and desperate. But Bhattacharjee & Co will not champion their cause. The reason being that Bengal's ruling Marxists are Bengalis first and Marxists later. That is why, incidentally, the comrades in the hills broke away from their parent party during the Gorkhaland movement two decades ago to form the Communist Party of Revolutionary Marxists (CPRM). I remember a CPRM leader telling me a few years ago that the then CM Jyoti Basu's approach to tackling the Gorkhaland movement was extremely racist and parochial and that hurt and distressed Darjeeling's Marxists so much that they broke away from the parent party, something committed Communists rarely do.

CPI(M)'s Role
Two decades have elapsed, but if anything, the CPI(M) has become more Bengali than ever. The party has been accused, and evidence of this has surfaced, of propping the 'Amra Bangali', a community-based extremist group. The Jana Jagaran Mancha, another organization formed to counter the Gorkhaland demand and stoke the latent parochialism among Bengalis, has overt links with the CPI(M) and its affiliates. The CPI(M), by backing these two organizations, shamelessly played the communal card. Its objective was to provoke a backlash against the Gorkha Janamukti Morcha (which is spearheading the Gorkhaland movement) by Bengalis residing in Siliguri, which is the gateway to the Darjeeling Hills and Sikkim. The CPI(M) succeeded in doing so and when activists of the Mancha (many were also members of the DYFI) stopped traders in Siliguri from sending commodities to the hills in a bid to impose an economic blockade against the Gorkhas, the sinister gameplan was laid bare.

It was very simple—show the Gorkhas that they're dependant on Bengalis who can choke supplies to the hills and, hence, the Gorkhas shouldn't dare to demand a separate state. When senior CPI(M) leaders like Transport Minister Subhas Chakraborty endorse such shameful and condemnable tactics, it is all too apparent that such evil strategies had the sanction of Bengali Marxists. Fortunately, this gameplan has now been abandoned, but only because it threatened to spiral out of control and result in a full-blown communal riot between Bengalis and Gorkhas in Siliguri last week.

Gorkhas' Anger
Apart from the neglect, mistreatment and discrimination that the Gorkhas have suffered at the hands of successive governments in Bengal, particularly the CPI(M)-led Left Front in the last three decades, what has led to complete alienation is the blind eye that the state government turned to the misdeeds of Ghising as head of the Darjeeling Gorkha Hill Council (DGHC). Ghising, a whimsical and unstable man at best, made a mess of the development process in the hills. Corruption was widespread and all financial and administrative norms were thrown to the winds. Funds meant for vital works were siphoned off or left unutilized. Ghising treated the DGHC as his own personal fief and acted like the king of the hills. Thanks to the muscle power of Ghising's Gorkha National Liberation Front (GNLF), the people of the hills couldn't raise their voices against Ghising's misdeeds, corruption in the DGHC and the appalling lack of development in the hills. But the state government, which knew all that was going on and could have stopped it, did nothing. Why? Because it was not at all concerned about the welfare of the people of the hills, but only with using Ghising to suppress the aspirations of the hill people for a separate state. The Gorkhas' anger was accentuated when the Bengal government tried to push through Ghising's controversial and ill-advised bid to include the DGHC-administered areas within the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution (applicable only to the tribal areas of the country). Since only a little over 19% of Gorkhas (Limbus and Tamangs; Ghising belongs to the Tamang community) are tribals and, with the Sherpas and Lepchas, the tribal population in the hills would be about 32 percent, the Bengal government's backing of the bid was seen as a mischievous attempt to create a tribal-non tribal divide among the people of the hills when no such divide exists at present. But the primary anger is over the state government's inaction over Ghising's misdeeds, for which the hills people suffered terribly all these years.

A Myth
Bengal's rulers, politicians and the Bengalis themselves pretend that the Darjeeling Hills have always been an inalienable part of Bengal. But a peep into history would reveal the fallacy of this stand. Until the early 19th century, the territory that is today the Darjeeling Hills was ruled over by Nepal and Sikkim intermittently. It was very sparsely populated by only Lepchas. In 1828, a few East India Company officers on their way from Bengal to Sikkim halted at what is today Darjeeling town and, taken in by the beauty and climatic conditions there, decided it would serve as a good sanatorium for British soldiers. The Darjeeling hills were thus obtained under a lease negotiated with the Chogyal of Sikkim in 1835. People from Nepal and Sikkim started settling down in the Darjeeling Hills during this period and after the British established their presence there and started tea estates, more people from Nepal started arriving as labourers and tea garden workers. No king or nawab of Bengal ever ruled over or exercised any sort of control over the Darjeeling Hills and certainly, no Bengali ever set foot in the hills till well after the British consolidated their presence there by annexing the territory in 1849 after a dispute with the Chogyal.Darjeeling became part of Bengal only in 1947. So to pretend now that Darjeeling Hills has always been part of Bengal is historically incorrect and morally and ethically wrong and unsustainable. It is thus hilarious that Bengalis from different political parties who met at the invitation of Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee earlier this week passed a resolution which effectively states that 'Gorkhaland' will not be conceded. Who, by the way, are Bengalis to agree to Gorkhaland? Darjeeling Hills belongs to the Gorkhas and Bengal has been ruling over them, rather inefficiently and harshly at that, in an unjustifiable manner. It is high time this injustice is set right and the state of Gorkhaland created.

Some Support
Though most Bengalis consider Gorkhaland an emotive issue and would bristle with rage at any suggestion to carve out a separate state for the Gorkhas, there are some who support the Gorkhas' demand. It is heartening to see that organizations like the Association for Protection of Democratic Rights and a students' body (Independents' Consolidation) that has formed the student's union at the premier Presidency College support the Gorkhaland demand. More Bengalis ought to support this demand for their own good. Bengalis ought to realise that the Darjeeling Hills were never part of Bengal, that the Gorkhas have been discriminated against all these years and they want their own state in an area they have been dwelling in for at least two hundred years. Happy Gorkhas in Gorkhaland are any day better for Bengalis than angry Gorkhas in Bengal. This simple logic can't, surely, be missed by Bengalis who boast of their intellect?

 

Dear Bishal123ji,

I think you brought two different distinct vision, the way you thought about Nepali (Gorkhali) in India. But I also strongly feel that you also do a fatastic job in terms of writing thread. I have been watching you for the long time. You have hardly made bad comments, infact your comments were very impressive. I look forward to hear from you more.

Dude I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I believe in freedom of speech. You may not feel the same the way I am feeling right now but its ok!

My heartfelt thanx to Sajha for bringing this platform to bring different people of the same Nepali community together. No matter how much we curse each other, the bottom line, at end of the day we are Nepali.

Alik Saro (Gorkhaland)

Is Gorkhaland An Unjust Demand?- Editorial from Gorkhapatra by Dhruba H. Adhikary