This shit dun hold water.  IF YOU START TAKING WORDS LITERALLY AS THEY WERE WRITTEN A THOUSAND YEARS AGO THAN YO ARE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THOSE BELTWAY BIBLE THUMPERS ON THE EXTREME RIGHT HERE IN THE US.  OR THAT IDIOTIC REDNECK PASTOR WHO BURNT KORANS IN FLORIDA.

Caste system does not  work, it is a discriminating system.  This is the 21st century Shit like dun float no more.  Just like Animal sacrifice.  Do you really think beheading a goat, sheep or a chicken will rid you of all the problems in life ? he he Keep on dreaming.  Or the water becomes impure because someboby crossed your path.  It is kind of oxymoron for these educated people to think this way.   

It just Irks me when ppl try to categorize other ppl with such limited and ideological characters based out of religious texts of one particular group of people. Sorry Raslia i just skimmed thru your post as the first some paragraph is just completely limited and doesnt celebrate the diverse nature of human evolution.


PLEASE watch a documentary called THE HUMAN TREE made by NATIONAL GEOGRAPHY......whattever the interpretation of religion and philosoply that ppl base their theory on has just developer over the past few centuries. It doesnt explain the scientific explanation and the driving force behind the reason of US being the way we are. I hope it will help ppl see the bigger picture that race, caste ETC doesnt exist. It was amazing to know that the DNA of all the humans dwelling this planet can be traced to one woman in africa who lived about hundred thousand years ago.

 @Riten 

Bhagvad Geeta 4:13 (Chapter 4 Sloka 13)

According to Caste System, those who are exhibiting sheer foolishness are Sudra.

Caste is nothing but what you do.  Touchable and Untouchable idea was created by Dhoti Bahun.  No vedic text mentions about untouchabilty anywhere.

Yes, if you are dirty, you are untouchable.  Why the heck would I like to shake your dirty hand? Why the hell would I eat your stale food?  If you stink, you are untouchable.

@nagarikreport
i have read your several posting and you have been caling bauns dothi. i dont how did you get that and i dont know what you are. but, if you think that bauns look like dothi and then yu are calling them dothi, then half of the nepalese population look like mexicans, why dont you call them mexaicns as well. you pice of shitttteeee. ignorant prick. if you don not have anyrespect for nepalese citizen then go burn you pasport and never call yourself a nepali. because you also might look like one of the several people on this world.

And if you are calling bauns dhoti because of the religious morales then you might call a german a polish and they have similar religion and bot of them look alike and are white. if you say them- i bet they will shove up their dickendra up your assendra
you are a racist prick and if some one ask you who are amerian you belong to those category of people who'd say- if you aint white you aint american.

nepal is many ways is like america- people settled in US first to escape the religious conflict in england, and then people started to settle here. same in nepal- we all came from different part of that region went up the hills to get away from the religious conflict with others. what i am saying is -nepal is as diverse as the US and so please have respect for the people. i bet you wouldnt call an american -an irish or an engish or a german. and you wouldnt say them to go to their country would you? i bet this time it'd be their dickendra and your mukendra

so mind what you say.

Eternal Sunshine,

American from Irish descent--> Irish American
American from German descent--> German American
American from Iranian descent-->  Iranian American

They still retain their heritage after migrating to US, like St. Patricks Day and Octoberfest.  And their religious beliefs as well, Irish are generally Catholics, Germans genrally Lutheran, and Iranians generally Shi'ite.

Comparing US with Nepal is like talking apples and oranges.

 @bathroom coffee- i dont think you got the gist of what i was trying to say. i think i am here quite while to know what an irish american is.

EternalSunshine,"So ! Wots your point ?"

I am not a religous person but I have immense respect for my religion.

I have ignored this thread so far, but reading the first post I am drawn to it. Maybe because I find a vindication in our religion, thinking the caste system by inheritance was not preached by our religion after all.

But what I read is the translation of a pundit, not what the Geeta says. I'd appreciate if anybody can show me which shloka/grantha or veda preaches what is written in the first posting (Shri Ram Sharma).

Amitraja, I looked at the Chapter/Sloka you quoted (4:13) and did find the mentioning about 4 caste system, but it says the God created them. Nothing says that you don't inherit but earn a particular caste.

4:13
cātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ

guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ

tasya kartāram api māḿ

viddhy akartāram avyayam

Translation:
cātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ

guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ

tasya kartāram api māḿ

viddhy akartāram avyayam

Source: http://vedabase.net/bg/4/13/

Translation was:
According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable

@Stiffler: Thanks for taking the effort to bring that up ! If you read your very post, you can see that the cast system was created by the Supreme Consciousness (which lord Krishna claims to be) on the basis of "Guna", "Karma" and Swavabh" of an individual. This is exactly what the article is saying. Caste system is not based by birth or lineage. The article says that it has to be earned. What one's caste is depends entirely on his intrinsic qualities (his guna and swavabh), and what he strives for in life (his Karma). People with high morals, high ethics and values who aim for higher goals belong to higher castes; on the contrary, those with selfish motives and narrow boundaries belong to lower castes. This in accordance to the Guna, Karma and swavabh; and this is what the article is saying.

 @bathroomcoffee
th point is that nepal is as rich and as diverse as america (well out migration may be several thousand yrs and american may be few hundred) and people should have respect too for other ethinic classes as they do in the US (well there may be some exceptions)
the point also is we are all nepalese no matter what ethnic class we belong to.

i was upset and pissed with nagarikreprot so i gave him my opinion

 @ stiffer 

I was just giving refrence to the Chapters in Geeta. I was not trying to advocate what  risalsa  mentioned in the original post was exact interpretation of Geeta (4:13)

For me I don't beleive in caste system. But I beleive how a person brought up (grown), family values and home environments can turn bramins to sudra and vice versa. Unfortunately we beleive that disregarding hindu culture and embracing western culture is cool, Please try to observe and learn good things from all cultures no matter its Hindu, Christian, Islamic or even ethiest. 

Well, if Brahmans wear Dhoti, why are they ashamed of their Dhoti?  Dhoti and Brahman goes together.

Modern Brahmans are practicing Sudra.  Although they may be born Brahman, they typically represent the Sudra Quality.  All Hindus are Dhotis but Brahmans are ahead in the line.  They were born with Dhoti attached.  Wouldn't it be fun to pull Brahman's Dhoti?

@mero_desh
I think I wasn't clear on my last post. I totally agree with the article but the article is merely an opinion, a translation. What I want to see is something written in our sculpture that says Caste system doesn't follow any heritage or lineage. The shlokas I have found so far, only acknolwedge the presence of the caste system, nothing disassociates it from lineage.

I want to be a proud hindu and point to our shlokas/vedas that caste system isn't suppose to follow a particular surname.

I actually believe that caste system was inserted in our sculptures to enforce a labor division, a political move from the powerfuls, back in those area. They held a meaning back then (who would clean sewer otherwise) but are irrelevant now.

Meros Desh,"Caste system is not based by birth or lineage. The article says that it has to be earned. What one's caste is depends entirely on his intrinsic qualities (his guna and swavabh), and what he strives for in life (his Karma). People with high morals, high ethics and values who aim for higher goals belong to higher castes; on the contrary, those with selfish motives and narrow boundaries belong to lower castes. This in accordance to the Guna, Karma and swavabh; and this is what the article is saying."

It all looks good in paper but the reality is something else.  I have never seen a chyamey become a pujari(brahmins will never let that happen, they look at it as their birth right).  People did not even let their servants in their kitchen regardless of how much guna or swabhav they had until recently.  Achuts were not let into temples(there are countless jatak tales about it). Regardles of how you put it caste system is DICRIMINATIVE. 

जात पात त्यो हण्डी हो , पाखन्डीले बुनेको चक्रब्युह हो ,
अहिलेका नेताले राजनीतिलाई आफ्नो पेवा जागिर जस्ताइ हो .
कलान्तरमा यो सन्स्कार  अनी तेसपछी धर्म मा परिवर्तन हुन्छ ,
कसैले बिरोधमा लेखेको खन्डमा भात्मारा को एउटै स्वर हुन्छ ।

The theory of Society evolved since then. Every existence in the planet is vulnerable to its extinction slowly but surely.
And those were the thoughts which were great and right then.
Also Sociology says that every culture, religion, thoughts, beliefs has to be changed according to the time.
So keep changing...